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KevDen2005
02-21-2018, 20:54
What part. There are a lot of stories on there right now pissing me off
The whole part, if you're watching the town hall. Thinkin Rubio won't get out alive
hollohas
02-21-2018, 21:02
Nope. I'll pass.
BushMasterBoy
02-21-2018, 21:13
Cable News Network is as obsolete as the telegraph.
Could get exciting. Dana Loesch up next
Couldn't make it through 2 minutes. A history teacher wanting Dana Loesch to explain to her how she defines the militia and wants supporting information. Well, you're a freaking history teacher. Read the Federalist papers and educate yourself! The information is out there.
Sheriff is an idiot. When Dana reminded him of all the opportunities LE had to deal with this a-hole, his first response was "the only person responsible for this is the murderer". Sounds to me like he agrees it's the perp and not the tool. They should have ended the town hall right there.
hollohas
02-21-2018, 21:52
Have any of the people asking questions been pro-gun?
Think, maybe, one guy asking about law enforcement mistakes could have been.
Have any of the people asking questions been pro-gun?
Not when you stack the deck...
68Charger
02-21-2018, 23:02
best thing about cutting the cord... couldn't find it if I wanted to. unless I wanted to watch propaganda in a browser, I guess.
For the little bit I saw, it brought back memories of history, in the spectacle when Christians were being fed to lions.
kidicarus13
02-21-2018, 23:29
It was an old fashioned witch hunt with Rubio and Loesch taking the brunt of the ignorant, emotionally driven questions. I applaud them for participating.
KevDen2005
02-21-2018, 23:34
It was an old fashioned witch hunt with Rubio and Loesch taking the brunt of the ignorant, emotionally driven questions. I applaud them for participating.
I didn't watch it but I saw some headlines. Not sure if it was taken out of context, but for the people that watched it...Did Rubio really agree to go after "Assault rifles." Obviously in quotes because we all know how we feel about the term but all know what they mean when they use it.
WillysWagon
02-21-2018, 23:35
Dana did an awesome job in a hostile environment.
That Sheriff is an idiot !!
The Sheriff really pisses me off. He acts like a spectator when he was involved and is culpable for his lack of action. He should not get a pass in this mess.
I didn't watch it but I saw some headlines. Not sure if it was taken out of context, but for the people that watched it...Did Rubio really agree to go after "Assault rifles." Obviously in quotes because we all know how we feel about the term but all know what they mean when they use it.
I heard some in the background and saw a highlight of Rubio, and while I don't remember everything he said, he did say that he would support raising the age to buy a rifle, banning bump stocks, and something else. Honestly, if they had played NFL music at every commercial break, it would have fit right in with the programming style.
I heard some in the background and saw a highlight of Rubio, and while I don't remember everything he said, he did say that he would support raising the age to buy a rifle, banning bump stocks, and something else. Honestly, if they had played NFL music at every commercial break, it would have fit right in with the programming style.
And he's considering mag limitits
KevDen2005
02-22-2018, 07:47
Again just giving the Dems what they want without a fight then they will go after something else.
Some lessons learned from this is that grieving hysterical people will not listen to rational solutions. I feel like Dana was the only adult in the building with Rubio coming in a distant second place. Dana particularly was giving real world actual solutions that schools should have been taking during the last week, and asking why the murderer was not on a list considering all the interactions he had with law enforcement over the years. Not one person in that arena was willing to comprehend what she was saying, they were simply waiting for her to finish so they could try out the next zinger on her. Why schools are not doing anything at the moment is beyond me.
Rubio explained why a ban on the AR15 wont solve this problem today or anytime soon. I can't remember if it was him or Dana that brought up the VaTech shooter that took out 32 with 10 round mags... Again though, the audience did not comprehend or was not willing to understand what he was saying here.
Then the topper for me was that these people are so freaked out by guns and shouted down any idea to allow teachers to be armed if they want to, but then when the Sheriff announced that when the school opens again he was going to send security armed with rifles (guess what kind of rifles those will be) the place erupted in cheer!?!?
Last night only proved the agenda of the left as they want a full gun ban and will do it piece by piece over time. They shout down the argument of teachers being able to arm themselves by acting like we are requiring every teacher to be armed and to go hunt the murderer even after the cops arrive. I don't think the tactics change just because someone becomes armed but when the bad guy is in plain view you fire back instead of duck your head and play dead. When the police show up, you holster your weapon and let the pros take over. The left seems to think this will lead to a teacher/swat shootout for some reason.
I was particularly befuddled by the guy whose whole speech was summed up by something along the lines of, "We're not going to arm teachers, that's ridiculous! I firmly stand by my belief that teachers need to be paid more!" Sure got an applause out of the crowd, but what did this guy really even say? Nothing of value.
kidicarus13
02-22-2018, 08:52
Some lessons learned from this is that grieving hysterical people will not listen to rational solutions.
Most of the questions were zingers and if the person answering was not saying exactly what the anti-gun audience wanted to hear, there were shouts of "off with their head!" (figuratively speaking)
One student asks if Rubio could guarantee her safety at school when she returns to school. Hey snowflake, there are no guarantees in life whether or not guns are legal or illegal.
Emotions were unchecked (possibly encouraged by CNN) and it's no wonder Trump, LaPierre and Rick Scott declined to participate.
I now have a better understanding of why children must be 18 years old to vote and 21 to legally drink.
If Trump was Hillary he would just make an executive order banning bump stocks, "assault rifles", name calling, and the NRA. Instead he is voicing his opinion and kicking it to congress to agree on something that he can sign.
I think his plan is that congress comes up with something like a ban on bump stocks and raising the purchase age to 21, but also includes national reciprocity and/or allowing teachers/staff to arm themselves and get some training. I have no doubt that the NRA is talking to him and they are coming up with something. I don't mind a little give and take but with Rs controlling everything at the moment the net result better be some take back. Be interesting to see what they come up with and what gets signed down the road.
KevDen2005
02-22-2018, 09:08
If Trump was Hillary he would just make an executive order banning bump stocks, "assault rifles", name calling, and the NRA. Instead he is voicing his opinion and kicking it to congress to agree on something that he can sign.
I think his plan is that congress comes up with something like a ban on bump stocks and raising the purchase age to 21, but also includes national reciprocity and/or allowing teachers/staff to arm themselves and get some training. I have no doubt that the NRA is talking to him and they are coming up with something. I don't mind a little give and take but with Rs controlling everything at the moment the net result better be some take back. Be interesting to see what they come up with and what gets signed down the road.
You're very optimistic. Maybe he's a better business man that I gave him credit for the last two days. Time will tell and I hope you're right. He looks like the guy calling for change but taking no real action and then getting something in return. Although I want bump fire stocks and nation reciprocity. I think people would use national reciprocity more often than bump stocks.
I assume that someone, somewhere is recognizing the further infantalizing our youth is absolutely the wrong path to take, but have any relatively known figures been talking about that yet?
KevDen2005
02-22-2018, 09:11
I assume that someone, somewhere is recognizing the further infantalizing our youth is absolutely the wrong path to take, but have any relatively known figures been talking about that yet?
I would hope so. I'm tired of the lack of responsibility when it comes to youth (18 to 24 year olds). The excuse always that "They'r too young"
I assume that someone, somewhere is recognizing the further infantalizing our youth is absolutely the wrong path to take, but have any relatively known figures been talking about that yet?
James Woods on twitter.
I see it from everyday folks all over the socials. Along with the cautionary tale of banning something in your youth you might want/need later in life.
You're very optimistic. Maybe he's a better business man that I gave him credit for the last two days. Time will tell and I hope you're right. He looks like the guy calling for change but taking no real action and then getting something in return. Although I want bump fire stocks and nation reciprocity. I think people would use national reciprocity more often than bump stocks.
I am just going off of his history. He has to know that if wants to get elected again chipping away at 2A is going to lose him alot of support. With how divided our country is, even if he banned all guns, he is still not going to pick up any votes from the left so what does he actually accomplish there.
His history shows that he is willing to give a little to get a little more in return. Look at this DACA thing. He makes a statement that maybe these folks can get a path to citizenship in a decade if they stay out of trouble and blend into our culture. In return he wants the wall and several other things. I think I am willing to take that but the Dems are fighting it and he turns it back on them saying they are the ones preventing DACA from being resolved.
I suspect this gun thing will have a similar tactic!
I am just going off of his history. He has to know that if wants to get elected again chipping away at 2A is going to lose him alot of support. With how divided our country is, even if he banned all guns, he is still not going to pick up any votes from the left so what does he actually accomplish there.
His history shows that he is willing to give a little to get a little more in return. Look at this DACA thing. He makes a statement that maybe these folks can get a path to citizenship in a decade if they stay out of trouble and blend into our culture. In return he wants the wall and several other things. I think I am willing to take that but the Dems are fighting it and he turns it back on them saying they are the ones preventing DACA from being resolved.
I suspect this gun thing will have a similar tactic!
I hope you are right!
I'll say it again; if it results in gun control Trump is done in 2020. The numbers and opposition means he can't afford to break his base without winning any cross over support to make up for it.
If he thinks people are going to stop hating him, he is a fool. The country has never been more polarized.
I hope you are right!
Me too.... Its going to happen where Dems are eventually in control again, it's cyclical and inevitable. At the rate we are going with these nutcases every six months, the next D POTUS will do a lot of damage to 2A.
Right now, our best bet is to find a way to prevent this crap from happening and be able to show a decline in this sort of thing. He better be able to get teachers/staff the ability to arm themselves and hopefully the next time this happens, one of the armed teachers is able to down the killer when they encounter him.
That happens, and he not only saves lives but he wins the argument!
How CNN shaped the debate.
Take a good look at these kids. Can any of them be accountable for the negative consequences they are creating? Not in a million years. The one with the shaved head looks like a mental case herself.
This seems like another shit test.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGEU0g8atx8
RblDiver
02-22-2018, 10:54
Couldn't make it through 2 minutes. A history teacher wanting Dana Loesch to explain to her how she defines the militia and wants supporting information. Well, you're a freaking history teacher. Read the Federalist papers and educate yourself! The information is out there.
"All males 18-49, and women in the armed forces. So, if you're wanting guns restricted to the militia, clearly you hate women and the elderly. Next question."
..."the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." has nothing to do with limiting arms to "militias".
The calls are transitioning to ban all "semi-automatic" firearms. You know, the firearm technology that has existed since 1885.
Martinjmpr
02-22-2018, 11:23
I hope you are right!
I'll say it again; if it results in gun control Trump is done in 2020. The numbers and opposition means he can't afford to break his base without winning any cross over support to make up for it.
If he thinks people are going to stop hating him, he is a fool. The country has never been more polarized.
See, here is where I think the liberals and Trump haters have got themselves into a box they can't get out of.
They hate, hate, HATE Trump and have made it clear every minute of every day since he took office (and really, before that.) They also know (or should know) that he takes insults and slights very personally.
So this puts them in a quandary: If Trump starts to voice support for even a tepid measure like banning bump stocks, they have to back off on their criticism, because if they don't, he's likely to say "there's no pleasing you assholes" and drop the whole thing. OTOH the "base" of the dems and pro gun controllers hates Trump so much that they are going to keep haranguing and hating on him no matter what he does.
So there's no up-side in supporting gun control for Trump. He's going to get hated and blamed no matter what he does, and if he ends up flip flopping on gun control, a huge portion of his own base will abandon him.
It's like the old saying that when you desert your old friends for new ones you end up losing BOTH.
If liberals hadn't been so vocal in their hatred for Trump they might be able to curry some favor with him. But once you take the hate and turn it up to 11, you can't really go back.
It's like calling someone an asshole for 364 days and then on day 365 asking if they'll loan you $50 and help you move. Not likely.
CNN denies giving Florida shooting survivor scripted questions for its town hall on guns (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cnn-denies-giving-florida-shooting-survivor-scripted-questions-for-its-town-hall-on-guns/ar-BBJsOMK)
A student who survived last week's school shooting said CNN gave him scripted questions ahead of a town hall event on Wednesday.
Colton Haab, a junior at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School who shielded students during the shooting, said he had prepared a speech and questions for the town hall but "it ended up being all scripted."
CNN has denied Haab's claim.
A student who survived the Florida shooting has accused CNN of giving him scripted questions during a CNN town hall event on Wednesday night.
Colton Haab, a 17-year-old junior at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, told local WPLG news that he had prepared a question suggesting schools use veterans as armed security guards, but CNN gave him a different question.
"I expected to be able to ask my questions and give my opinion on my questions," Haab said. "CNN had originally asked me to write a speech and questions, and it ended up being all scripted."
See, here is where I think the liberals and Trump haters have got themselves into a box they can't get out of.
They hate, hate, HATE Trump and have made it clear every minute of every day since he took office (and really, before that.) They also know (or should know) that he takes insults and slights very personally.
So this puts them in a quandary: If Trump starts to voice support for even a tepid measure like banning bump stocks, they have to back off on their criticism, because if they don't, he's likely to say "there's no pleasing you assholes" and drop the whole thing. OTOH the "base" of the dems and pro gun controllers hates Trump so much that they are going to keep haranguing and hating on him no matter what he does.
So there's no up-side in supporting gun control for Trump. He's going to get hated and blamed no matter what he does, and if he ends up flip flopping on gun control, a huge portion of his own base will abandon him.
It's like the old saying that when you desert your old friends for new ones you end up losing BOTH.
If liberals hadn't been so vocal in their hatred for Trump they might be able to curry some favor with him. But once you take the hate and turn it up to 11, you can't really go back.
It's like calling someone an asshole for 364 days and then on day 365 asking if they'll loan you $50 and help you move. Not likely.
I couldn't think of a better analogy and agree completely!
I hope Trump realizes this.
I don't think they are in a box they want to get out of. They want us in the box too.
Fox News has some great coverage with Trump right now.
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Trump discussed teachers that are proficient, trained, and want to help by arming themselves should get more pay as a result. There's a lot of details that would need to be worked out, but it's a proven fact that "gun free zones" are in fact free kill zones. Continuing to do the same thing is definitely not the answer.
I appreciate the point of arming school staff. I think this is one thing of many things that could be a solution to stop the monsters but....has anyone asked the actual teachers if they want to be armed though? I did. I asked 9 staff members at my kids' school. 2 said they already have firearms at home. 1 said she would not feel comfortable having to engage an active shooter while trying to manage a class of panicking students. The other said she would consider it but she has a lot of reservations & concerns. The rest said they studied to be teachers & they signed up to teach, they did not study to be police officers & take down a threat while trying to control their frantic crowd of students. l asked on Facebook and Miss Jessica replied: In sorry, but all this for the lowest professional pay on Earth? You must think us teachers are magic unicorn super spy mercenaries. Silly me- studied how kids learn to read instead. Its ok to put this in the job description, but I better get combat pay as well.
And Miss Trish said: I don't understand when it became part of a teacher's job to be personal bodyguards and security teams for kids. Isn't their job to teach? Instead of hanging out online calling people names & blaming this or that & only talking about personal responsibility, how about we take some personal responsibility by at least talking TO the teachers and staff that we are talking ABOUT.
This is where people are not listening and instead hearing what they want to hear. No one is saying a teacher must be armed. What is being said is if you are a school employee and you can pass a background check or get a concealed carry permit and you would like to participate, YOU CAN! No extra pay, but I do think local law enforcement should provide some basic training a little above and beyond a conceal carry class. Perhaps allow them to use Law Enforcement ranges on weekends or something.
NO ONE is saying that all teachers must be armed. Same thing with the FFDO program that arms pilots, some participate and others don't and a terrorist never knows who is armed and who is not.
ETA: I am not directing that at you but the teachers and lefties who seem to want to shoot down this idea of arming teachers. If 2 out 9 are willing to do this, that may be about all you need. Just knowing that there are armed teachers at the school would deter most of this crap.
How CNN shaped the debate.
Take a good look at these kids. Can any of them be accountable for the negative consequences they are creating? Not in a million years. The one with the shaved head looks like a mental case herself.
This seems like another shit test.
[snip]
NRA's Loesch: I Wouldn't Have Been Able To Exit CNN Town Hall If I Didn't Have A Security Detail
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/02/22/nras_loesch_i_wouldnt_have_been_able_to_exit_cnn_t own_hall_if_i_didnt_have_a_security_detail.html
"I had to have a security detail to get out," she said of the Sunrise, Fla. event. "I wouldn't be able to exit that if I didn't have a private security detail. There were people rushing the stage and screaming burn her. And I came there to talk solutions and I still am going to continue that conversation on solutions as the NRA has been doing since before I was alive."
There are a lot more people sitting back yelling "arm the teachers!" than people are willing to admit. Of course teachers should be given the option to carry if they wish, but to expect them to do it is dumb. Similarly, I heard a clip from someone at the CNN thing last night talking about how instead of arming teachers, we need to be training teachers and students to see warning signs and how to handle that. Really lady? That's the other side of the same coin of adding more responsibility to teachers, and students. Teachers are teachers, and not clinical psychologists, for a reason and it's asinine to keep heaping more responsibilities onto teachers with this whole, "here, you handle it." attitude. Yes, there will (hopefully) be teachers who take it upon themselves to do what they can to prevent or mitigate pending tragedies, using either or both of just those two mentioned strategies, and that will be fantastic.
I'm trying to reconcile how a teacher would have their career nuked if they smacked a kid in the head for grabbing a girls ass or beating up a younger student, but we're supposed to jump the gap to tell teachers "Hey, if any of these kids gets really out of hand, go ahead and put them down." Of course gun grabbers also don't want their kid smacked at school, and people who are okay with arming teachers may be okay with little Timmy getting some outside of the home discipline, but during these highly emotionally charged periods immediately after tragedies, I don't see a lot of amicable breakthroughs happening.
...but during these highly emotionally charged periods immediately after tragedies, I don't see a lot of amicable breakthroughs happening.
Yes, I'm hoping that nothing happens right away and that if anything does come of this, that cooler heads may prevail.
BPTactical
02-22-2018, 14:45
I appreciate the point of arming school staff. I think this is one thing of many things that could be a solution to stop the monsters but....has anyone asked the actual teachers if they want to be armed though? I did. I asked 9 staff members at my kids' school. 2 said they already have firearms at home. 1 said she would not feel comfortable having to engage an active shooter while trying to manage a class of panicking students. The other said she would consider it but she has a lot of reservations & concerns. The rest said they studied to be teachers & they signed up to teach, they did not study to be police officers & take down a threat while trying to control their frantic crowd of students. l asked on Facebook and Miss Jessica replied: In sorry, but all this for the lowest professional pay on Earth? You must think us teachers are magic unicorn super spy mercenaries. Silly me- studied how kids learn to read instead. Its ok to put this in the job description, but I better get combat pay as well.
And Miss Trish said: I don't understand when it became part of a teacher's job to be personal bodyguards and security teams for kids. Isn't their job to teach? Instead of hanging out online calling people names & blaming this or that & only talking about personal responsibility, how about we take some personal responsibility by at least talking TO the teachers and staff that we are talking ABOUT.
Jesus H Christ those are weak Snowflake responses.
Are not their own lives worth taking an interest in at least protecting themselves? Giving themselves the opportunity to fight back instead of being a "Shelter in Place" victim?
People need to wake the hell up!
If you are in a classroom and Johnny McWhackbat enters with the intent of lighting up the classroom what are you going to do?
Wait for "First Responders"?
News flash- YOU ARE THE FIRST RESPONDER!
ANY action one takes provides at least a chance of survival vs cowering in a corner.
Wake the hell up people and realize one thing:
The cruelest, most viscous and violent of animals to ever walk the face of this earth is a fellow human being intent on causing harm to others.
Let that sink in.
We can go around trumpeting that it's better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a battlefield all day long, but the reality is that the world isn't made up of warriors.
[snip]
It's like calling someone an asshole for 364 days and then on day 365 asking if they'll loan you $50 and help you move. Not likely.
Quoting this perfect analogy again to show it playing out in real time.
Here is Trump's tweet from this morning...
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/966662241977360384
I will be strongly pushing Comprehensive Background Checks with an emphasis on Mental Health. Raise age to 21 and end sale of Bump Stocks! Congress is in a mood to finally do something on this issue - I hope!
There are two kinds of top replies (I did not read all 23,000 of them)...
1. Conservatives asking him to reconsider and trying to reason
2. Libs demanding he ban "assault weapons" or side tracking the Tweet with "Trump crimes" and RUSSSIAAAANZZZZ!
Not one single reply, from a Lib, saying "thank you Mr. President for compromising" or "thank you for participating in the conversation."
Here are some of the images Libs left for him on that Tweet...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWqvEbQU0AAW_uC.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWpPtOEVMAAjNFK.jpg
Oh, does anyone know if CNN charged for attendance to this circus that they held? I'd be interested in knowing what kind of money they made of this tragedy.
BPTactical
02-22-2018, 15:24
We can go around trumpeting that it's better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a battlefield all day long, but the reality is that the world isn't made up of warriors.
Sheep and wolves
Sheep and wolves
Sheep shooting the shepherds so it's easier for the wolves to eat them.
Not one single reply, from a Lib, saying "thank you Mr. President for compromising" or "thank you for participating in the conversation."
This is very telling, not just about democrats but how divisive everything is. Very good observation!
The Dems, AKA mainstream media, are using these kids and parents to their advantage for the midterm elections. What better time to arrange and televise these meetings than when grief, in-mass turns to anger? Especially when the shout downs and name calling is encouraged! It was like a pep rally.
These people should be ashamed, I feel sorry for all of them who lost family or friends and really hope they find peace but right now they are being played.
I appreciate the point of arming school staff. I think this is one thing of many things that could be a solution to stop the monsters but....has anyone asked the actual teachers if they want to be armed though? I did. I asked 9 staff members at my kids' school. 2 said they already have firearms at home. 1 said she would not feel comfortable having to engage an active shooter while trying to manage a class of panicking students. The other said she would consider it but she has a lot of reservations & concerns. The rest said they studied to be teachers & they signed up to teach, they did not study to be police officers & take down a threat while trying to control their frantic crowd of students. l asked on Facebook and Miss Jessica replied: In sorry, but all this for the lowest professional pay on Earth? You must think us teachers are magic unicorn super spy mercenaries. Silly me- studied how kids learn to read instead. Its ok to put this in the job description, but I better get combat pay as well.
And Miss Trish said: I don't understand when it became part of a teacher's job to be personal bodyguards and security teams for kids. Isn't their job to teach? Instead of hanging out online calling people names & blaming this or that & only talking about personal responsibility, how about we take some personal responsibility by at least talking TO the teachers and staff that we are talking ABOUT.
Guess I don't understand? You asked 9 and 3 sounded like maybes. A possible 33% sounds pretty good to me
Fox News says CNN didn't script their town hall, at least not the way the one kid claimed that they did.
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/tucker-carlson-concedes-no-evidence-cnn-tried-to-give-scripted-question-at-town-hall/
Dozens of conservative websites called the network's Feb. 21 town hall forum scripted after Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School junior Colton Haab skipped the event and said the network had told him what question to ask. The websites call it proof the forum was slanted against gun rights. President Donald Trump tweeted about it on Friday, saying "Just like so much of CNN, Fake News!"
CNN countered with a release of email exchanges between producer Carrie Stevenson, Colton Haab and his father Glenn and accused Glenn Haab of deliberately altering email sent to Fox News and the Huffington Post.
In one exchange, 17-year-old Colton Haab proposes several questions to ask at the town hall, including one on whether to arm teachers. His father, a Republican gun owner, later emailed Stevenson a four-page document with a roughly 700-word speech and a series of questions he said Colton wanted to ask.
CNNs Stevenson told the father the additional language he proposed was "way too long" and Colton would need to stick to the question "that he/Colton Haab submitted." The words "that he submitted" were left off the email sent to Fox News and Huffington Post.
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