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CoGirl303
02-22-2018, 11:25
A bill that would have allowed teachers to concealed carry in schools was defeated 6-3 in the House.
This is nothing more than a liberal endorsement of the murder of children. Damn them all.
http://kdvr.com/2018/02/21/students-rally-to-defeat-bills-to-allow-more-guns-in-schools/
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Isn't arming teachers and expecting them to shoot and kill their students also an endorsement of the murder of children?
kidicarus13
02-22-2018, 11:27
“I have nightmares and I’m scared if guns are allowed in school I will stay home,” student Elina Asensio told lawmakers.
I had some lib tell me yesterday I have the blood of the innocent on my hands since I’m pro gun
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Isn't arming teachers and expecting them to shoot and kill their students also an endorsement of the murder of children?
Only if the threat is always a child/student (Sandy Hook 20 yr. old non-student, Florida 19 yr. old former student). If the teacher chooses to arm themselves to protect their students, what's the problem? These crazy shooters go to where they can kill many without armed resistance (aka "Gun Free Zones").
The left has a goal to disarm as many as possible, and if they have to act as if they have a phobia to metal objects that have no ability to act on their own, they will.
At first that point was made in jest (even though it's true), but the more I think about it, the more I feel that saying "arm the teachers!" is an embarrassingly lazy approach to this issue. Just as lazy and ill thought out as "ban guns!" is from the other side. Real life issues like this take more thought and especially effort, from both sides to make any positive progress that is not damaging to society. I really don't see this being resolved any time soon.
It's never been simply "arm the teachers!".
https://www.nationalschoolshield.org/ (https://www.nationalschoolshield.org/)
School security is a complex issue with no simple, single solution. The National School Shield® program is committed to addressing the many facets of school security, including best practices in security infrastructure, technology, personnel, training, and policy. Through this multidimensional effort, National School Shield® seeks to engage communities and empower leaders to help make our schools more secure.
As long as you have a group entirely focused on the tool rather than the operator, this won't be resolved any time soon.
http://granitegrok.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/LiberalLogic.jpg
They need more dead bodies to push their anti 2A agenda. Every time I go to school to pick up my kids I get mad because by law I have to disarm myself into a helpless victim to do it. That's just plain wrong.
At first that point was made in jest (even though it's true), but the more I think about it, the more I feel that saying "arm the teachers!" is an embarrassingly lazy approach to this issue. Just as lazy and ill thought out as "ban guns!" is from the other side. Real life issues like this take more thought and especially effort, from both sides to make any positive progress that is not damaging to society. I really don't see this being resolved any time soon.
It's a security vacuum and the bad person can fill that vacuum with nearly anything giving him a monopoly on violence. There is no meaningful resistance until LE arrives.
The solution is to deny him that monopoly no matter the tool he chooses. I don't think this is intellectually lazy, in fact it requires a solid understanding of violence and an attempt to explain how violence works to ignorant sheltered brain-washed Libs. These are the ideological descendants of draft dodgers and war protestors who never understood the war they were protesting. It's so easy to yell "NO!" at the scary things. Much harder to acknowledge there is true evil in the world and explain with a predominate Lib world view.
Teachers with guns is one way and promoted because they are already at the scene of the next school shooting. Another idea I've heard tossed around is we hire retired LE and MIL and put them in the schools. I think this is worth exploring too. If I had my retirement squared away and could do it, I would.
The other proposed solutions (mental health, BGCs, etc...) are not absolute and never can be. So we have to propose something to harden schools or this will keep happening.
CoGirl303
02-22-2018, 12:40
Isn't arming teachers and expecting them to shoot and kill their students also an endorsement of the murder of children?
no. It's in the interest of self-preservation and third-party defense of the defenseless.
it is justifiable homicide.
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Isn't arming teachers and expecting them to shoot and kill their students also an endorsement of the murder of children?
No, because murder is a specific legal term which means to kill an innocent person. One would not expect a teacher to shoot an innocent person, no matter their age.
Great-Kazoo
02-22-2018, 13:00
They need more dead bodies to push their anti 2A agenda. Every time I go to school to pick up my kids I get mad because by law I have to disarm myself into a helpless victim to do it. That's just plain wrong.
post # 3
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/167226-Bill-introduced-to-allow-CCW-in-schools?p=2121281#post2121281
CoGirl303
02-22-2018, 13:24
nevermind the FACTS that since concealed carry was allowed on college campuses here, there hasnt been so much as a single mass shooting at any Colorado College campus.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/04/20/colorado-campus-carry-12-years-no-mass-shootings-no-crimes-by-permit-holders/
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nevermind the FACTS that since concealed carry was allowed on college campuses here, there hasnt been so much as a single mass shooting at any Colorado College campus.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/04/20/colorado-campus-carry-12-years-no-mass-shootings-no-crimes-by-permit-holders/
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yet
The other proposed solutions (mental health, BGCs, etc...) are not absolute and never can be. So we have to propose something to harden schools or this will keep happening.
This is the important key point here. Even arming teachers is not absolute. Before I take this line of argument any further I want to highlight that I am FOR having teachers that are armed. I think that is a step in the right direction, but I know that in reality it won't be as simple in practice as it's made out to be. Even with as messy as a gun fight in a crowded school would be, legally and literally, my belief is that in the long run, it'd do a lot of deter future school shootings.
nevermind the FACTS that since concealed carry was allowed on college campuses here, there hasnt been so much as a single mass shooting at any Colorado College campus.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/04/20/colorado-campus-carry-12-years-no-mass-shootings-no-crimes-by-permit-holders/
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I have a feeling that you can find an equal number, if not a higher number of colleges that don't allow concealed carry that haven't had a single mass shooting.
This brings up another point about making schools no longer gun free zones. That can work, and it probably will, but not over night. If people are concealed carrying at schools, the outward appearance will remain the same and it will soon be forgotten. In order for carrying in schools to work as a deterrent, someone will have to try and stage a shooting at a school and effectively be shut down. It might not happen the first time, or the second, or the third. In the mean time, while everyone is tearing their clothes in grief, is society going to be able to remain strong enough to keep that policy in place until psychos stop targeting schools? Hopefully. There needs to be more conversation about what the reality of a non-gun free zone at a school will look like, and convincing people to accept that hardship before they put that plan into place so no one is surprised.
This is the important key point here. Even arming teachers is not absolute. Before I take this line of argument any further I want to highlight that I am FOR having teachers that are armed. I think that is a step in the right direction, but I know that in reality it won't be as simple in practice as it's made out to be. Even with as messy as a gun fight in a crowded school would be, legally and literally, my belief is that in the long run, it'd do a lot of deter future school shootings.
Absolutely right!
It will deter and even the odds. I'd prefer the chance and want my kids' teachers to have a chance too!
Shooter45
02-22-2018, 20:11
We should ban the fire alarms and fire hoses too. That would make as much sense. You fight fire with a hose and you fight an active gun men with a gun. But that doesn't fit the narrative of the libtards while they eat their tide pods.
CoGirl303
02-22-2018, 20:39
I have a feeling that you can find an equal number, if not a higher number of colleges that don't allow concealed carry that haven't had a single mass shooting.
This brings up another point about making schools no longer gun free zones. That can work, and it probably will, but not over night. If people are concealed carrying at schools, the outward appearance will remain the same and it will soon be forgotten. In order for carrying in schools to work as a deterrent, someone will have to try and stage a shooting at a school and effectively be shut down. It might not happen the first time, or the second, or the third. In the mean time, while everyone is tearing their clothes in grief, is society going to be able to remain strong enough to keep that policy in place until psychos stop targeting schools? Hopefully. There needs to be more conversation about what the reality of a non-gun free zone at a school will look like, and convincing people to accept that hardship before they put that plan into place so no one is surprised.
I concur.
Someone bumped a thread in GD and the article in the post mentioned that when police respond to an active shooter situation the avg death toll was 14. When a concealed carrier is on sight, the avg death toll was only 2.5. That's a major difference!
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TEAMRICO
02-22-2018, 21:03
I work as school security. I will say this, everyday the kids TELL me I should have a gun. They WANT me to have one. It is hard to explain why folks higher than me refuse to allow it. They trust me, they know it would make them safer but that is for the superintendent to explain. The teachers I work with are all for it and they know who should carry.....mostly the ones I have trained.
Hey, but it couldn’t happen in my district right?
I work as school security. I will say this, everyday the kids TELL me I should have a gun. They WANT me to have one. It is hard to explain why folks higher than me refuse to allow it. They trust me, they know it would make them safer but that is for the superintendent to explain. The teachers I work with are all for it and they know who should carry.....mostly the ones I have trained.
Hey, but it couldn’t happen in my district right?
Give them some positive motivation.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-its-like-for-one-teacher-who-already-carries-a-gun/
Zundfolge
02-22-2018, 22:38
A bill that would have allowed teachers to concealed carry in schools was defeated 6-3 in the House.
How else are they supposed to get their holy grail of total gun control if we implement policies that actually stopped school shootings?
Give them some positive motivation.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-its-like-for-one-teacher-who-already-carries-a-gun/
Thanks for the link!
This blotivating and dancing in the blood both ticks me off and makes me sad.
The fact is that unless schools are turned into max security installations these atrocities are quite possible. Of course the current state of affair banning any reasonable armed response at schools makes this crap too frequent and needs to change.
I will use one of my kids school as an example. After the previous atrocity the security was beefed up. Now there is a buzzer, and 2 door to get into the front office. You would think the glass doors must be made of magical unobtanium, capable of stopping any and all evil. And if that were to fail a squad of ninjas would attack you as you pass the front office. The brutal truth is that the glass is plain and free of even 3M security film, and the 50 year old receptionist will have a heart attack at the sign of first trouble. Security theatre. Honestly though, the school is small and divided off by chain link fence and accessible from all sides. The kids have recess esentially in the front yard.
The only way I see to protect the school is by having armed up teachers or lots of cops until this crap ends. I don't want my kids living in a cop guarded facility, I don't want that to be the norm.
When they are out on the play ground an armed teacher or two would be a good thing. When they are inside, the best way to protect the front office would be with a Serbu super shorty located within the receptionists easy reach.
Great-Kazoo
02-22-2018, 23:38
Hey, but it couldn’t happen in my district right?
Oh no never. No one could imagine something like that would happen here.
Words most spoken after an "Incident" Right along side. This is such a quiet neighborhood, who would have thought something like That could happen here. I mean i guess you Never Know
Where does the right to defend your life originate?
That should be the beginning of the discussion IMO. If the right originates with a government then that same government can take the right away.
Where does your right to defend yourself not exist?
Those are the places where law abiding citizens should voluntarily disarm.
Just because you have the right to defend yourself, does not mean that you will succeed in defending yourself. Even the best can be beaten and luck is often a bigger factor than skill.
If you can't abide by the rules established for a location then you have to ask yourself why you need to be in that location. Choose your greater priority.
It is not a simple issue because so many people come to the issue with very different world views on fundamental questions.
Be safe.
KevDen2005
02-23-2018, 00:58
I'm sure no one expected this to get very far in this state
If you haven’t already stop what your doing, and call your Representatives and Senators and tell them to vocally oppose any and all further infringements of the Second Amendment at the Local, State, and National levels.
*Rep. Ken Buck (R) at
(970) 702-2136
*Sen. Michael Bennet (D) at
(303) 455-7600
*Sen. Cory Gardner (R) at
(303) 391-5777
Call the Republican National Committee at
(202) 863-8500
Tell them enough is enough, we’re done “having the conversation” about “common sense gun control” and shall not be infringed means something last time you checked.
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