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Join both NRA and GOA, Google their websites and join for Life, donate to both to cover their media costs!Google your Senators and Reps for their addresseshttps://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/ (https://www.youtube.com/redirect?redir_token=RYreVDYaNAhUTupghbIhCyQu9E58M TUxOTU2OTEzMEAxNTE5NDgyNzMw&event=video_description&v=mwI-B4bvRKg&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.whitehouse.gov%2Fcontact%2F) AND Call the White House at (202)-456-1111 today and tell President Trump that he should oppose the expansion of federal background checks and oppose the ban on bump stocks. If that number is busy, then call 202-456-1414.SUGGESTED LETTER FLLOWS: DearPresident Trump/Senator/Rep:I am against any new gun laws. I adamantly oppose more restrictive Universal Background Check/Registration/NICS legislation in all its forms. Our current background check system functions well when used properly and criminals will always find a way to get guns, usually illegally. It could block good people from defending themselves. Additionally I opposed any new laws banning certain types of guns and/or accessories. I know you stand with real Americans in protecting our Constitution and its provisions like the 2nd Amendment in its entirety. Here are 3 key points in the current environment to ban/limit gun ownership:1) A campaign of disinformation is pushed by all media on most media (fake news). It has nothing to do with public safety and preventing future mass shootings of innocent people; no gun law would have stopped Nikolas Cruz in FL. Violent criminals have always broken laws and achieved regrettable violence with all kinds of devices (like delivery trucks in France & NY). Every mass shooting has only occurred through violation of many laws…just like in FL. If we truly wish to protect our children then we should make laws where potential victims are immediately ARMED. UT has such a law in their schools. As such please support the Safe Students Act (H.R. 34) would repeal gun-free school zones across the country, allowing security guards, administrators, teachers, and parents to protect their students.2) This movement is more ominous in nature and it ties into an alarming political change in the US. The exact kind our forefathers worried about. It seeks to fully disarm the American people over a period of years. Is this Constitutional? The proposed bump sock or AR-15 ban and its associated bans (magazines, accessories) will make great inroads to this purpose. In doing so it could threaten public safety and perhaps even rule of law as its enforcement is attempted. This could lead to civil unrest or even worse as many refuse to comply with such unconstitutionality and seizure of private property. I and millions of others wish to prevent this and work to preserve rule of law in this country. 3) Americans are entitled to own semi-automatic firearms with their magazines in order to resist possible tyranny. Even with these we are outgunned. This isn’t some far fetched, ridiculous extremist notion but a lesson simply born of history. Our Bill of Rights was specifically included by our forefathers to protect this important right of self defense and of being armed. It ranks only behind freedom of speech in importance. The 2nd ensures the others rights can remain protected. It also ensures the government answers to the people and prevents the destruction of personal liberty. I support those politicians that protect our hard fought legacy of freedom and personal responsibility. I thank you for your opposition to these and more gun laws.
From Molon Labe's Call to Action post...
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/167223-Trump-Pushing-for-21-Age-Limit?p=2121702&viewfull=1#post2121702
If you haven’t already stop what your doing, and call your Representatives and Senators and tell them to vocally oppose any and all further infringements of the Second Amendment at the Local, State, and National levels.
*Rep. Ken Buck (R) at
(970) 702-2136
*Sen. Michael Bennet (D) at
(303) 455-7600
*Sen. Cory Gardner (R) at
(303) 391-5777
Call the Republican National Committee at
(202) 863-8500
Tell them enough is enough, we’re done “having the conversation” about “common sense gun control” and shall not be infringed means something last time you checked.
The only disagreement I have is encouraging folks to join, or donate to the NRA, they are more harm than good.
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The only disagreement I have is encouraging folks to join, or donate to the NRA, they are more harm than good.
The NRA runs a lot of the safety and training programs used across the country. Who's going to pick up the ball?
I just upgraded my NRA membership from Life to Endowment. The NRA is gearing up for another fight to save private gun ownership, they are the only reason the 2A hasn't been completely abolished by now.
Some U.S. Companies Bow to Social-Media Pressure, Sever NRA Ties
Delta Air Lines, United Airlines are among the latest to end their association with the organization (https://www.wsj.com/articles/some-u-s-companies-bow-to-social-media-pressure-sever-nra-ties-1519431715)
Article is paywalled at the Wallstreet Journal.
The NRA did nothing to encourage the Parkland Florida shooting, but has been targeted by the left and the ignorant. Their Visa card partner has also cancelled their relationship with the NRA. The war on gun owners is on.
Several companies have cut ties to the National Rifle Association after consumers took to social media to voice outrage against the gun lobby, days after a Florida high-school shooting left 17 people dead.
Insurance giants Chubb Ltd. and MetLife, cybersecurity company Symantec Corp., and Enterprise Holdings, which operates the Enterprise, Alamo and National rental-car chains, were among those that said they would end partnerships with the NRA.
ETA: Found a non-paywalled article at Yahoo Finance;
These companies are cutting ties with the NRA (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/companies-cutting-ties-nra-220220623.html)
Corporate America is taking on the country’s most powerful gun lobby group. In the wake of the mass shooting (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/live-updates-shooting-high-school-parkland-fla-multiple-injuries-reported-200936418.html) in a Florida high school last week, companies are dropping their partnerships with the National Rifle Association (NRA), which touts 5 million members.
According to a list compiled by ThinkProgress (https://thinkprogress.org/corporations-nra-f0d8074f2ca7/), an advocacy organization, there are at least 22 corporations, including car-rental companies and financial institutions that have been offering discounts to NRA members. As the #BoycottNRA (https://twitter.com/hashtag/BoycottNRA?src=hash) movement picks up steam, some companies have cut ties.
Here is a list of companies: (We’ll update it as the story develops.)
–First National Bank of Omaha: The largest privately held bank announced it will stop issuing the NRA Visa Card due to “customer feedback” on Thursday.
-Hertz (HTZ (https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/HTZ/)): The major rental-car company said (https://twitter.com/Hertz/status/967132184439066626) on Friday it has “notified the NRA that we are ending the NRA’s rental car discount program with Hertz”
–Enterprise: Its three car rental brands— Enterprise, National and Alamo will end a discount program for NRA members.
-Avis Budget Group (CAR (https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/CAR/)): The parent company of several car rental brands including Avis Car Rental and Zipcar, will no longer provide the NRA member discount, effective March 26, the company confirmed in an email to Yahoo Finance.
-TrueCar (TRUE (https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/TRUE/)): The Calif.-based automotive pricing website announced (https://twitter.com/TrueCar/status/967228511286112256) it’s ending the car buying service (https://nra.truecar.com/main.html?referrer_id=ZNAT000021299) relationship with the NRA, effective February 28, 2018.
–Symantec (SYMC (https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/SYMC/)): The publicly-traded security software company said (https://twitter.com/symantec/status/967072793484517376) on Twitter it will no longer offer discounts to NRA members. LifeLock, the identity theft protection company acquired by Symantec last year has also stopped its discount program.
-Chubb (CB (https://finance.yahoo.com/CB?p=CB)): The insurance giant told Yahoo Finance it would no longer offer the NRA insurance program for gun owners, a decision it made three months ago.
-MetLife (MET (https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/MET/)): As one of the largest global provider of insurance, MetLife provided (https://mynrainsurance.com/insurance-products/auto)discounts for the NRA members on coverage for RVs, motorcycles and boats. “We value all our customers but have decided to end our discount program with the NRA,” the company tweeted (https://twitter.com/MetLife/status/967092823345516545) on Friday.
-Best Western: According to a 2016 brochure from the NRA, the hotel chain has provided special deals to NRA members. But it clarified (https://twitter.com/BestWestern/status/967096269163212800) on Twitter repeatedly that the company “does not have an affiliation with and is not a corporate partner of the National Rifle Association.”
-Wyndham Hotels: The hotel chain, which previously offered a 10% discount to NRA members, said on Twitter (https://twitter.com/Wyndham/status/967043762743635968)it is no longer affiliated with the NRA.
-SIRVA: Two moving companies under SIRVA— Allied Van Lines and North American Van Lines, both announced it had ended the affiliate relationship with the NRA effective immediately. “We have asked them to remove our listing from their benefits site,” the company tweeted (https://twitter.com/alliedvl/status/967146872048619521).
–Delta Air Lines (DAL (https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/DAL?ltr=1)): The airline tweeted (https://twitter.com/Delta/status/967391778897891328) on Saturday it will be “ending their contract for discounted rates through our group travel program.”
–United Airlines (UAL (https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/UAL?p=UAL)): United followed Delta’s lead on Saturday, tweeting (https://twitter.com/united/status/967420501017747457) “United is notifying the NRA that we will no longer offer a discounted rate to their annual meeting.”
Engaging or alienating consumers?
Many people applauded the announcements, seeing it as a sign of companies speaking out publicly on social issues. But not everyone is pleased by the stand they are taking. Under First National Bank’s Twitter account, some people expressed disappointment on the decision and threatened to stop using their service.
“There is always a financial risk of alienating part of your audience, but that’s a short-term risk,” said Deb Gabor, CEO of Sol Marketing. She expects to see more companies join the movement. “Companies make calculations. They may lose some, but will end up building stronger relationships with customers.”
Besides losing customers, there could also be some legal risks in the movement, according to Larry Hutcher, a corporate lawyer at Davidoff Hutcher & Citron LLP.
“The NRA could argue for money damages if those companies terminate the long-term contract before the expiration date, because it’s the way that the NRA will always be.” says Hutcher. But he doesn’t think the NRA will choose to sue the companies who no longer want to be associated with it. The NRA hasn’t replied to Yahoo Finance’s interview request.
Companies are more vocal this time
This is not the first time that corporations have been scrutinized for their partnerships with the NRA. In 2016, a coalition of gay-rights and gun-control activists slammed FedEx (FDX (https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/FDX/)), which offers up to 26% discounts to NRA members. FedEx ignored the call and the incentive program continues.
FedEx hasn’t replied to Yahoo Finance’s request for comment.
But this time, the backlash has been more intense as the mass shooting happened in a school. Student survivors organized protests and called for the ban on assault-style guns. This has fueled people’s anger towards the NRA, which is known for blocking gun-control measures by pouring millions of dollars in political campaign contributions.
This ongoing trend of companies taking a stance on political and social issues (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/papa-johns-keurig-armour-tiki-torch-brands-not-escape-politics-2017-125853907.html) has picked up since last year, when household brands like Under Armour, Papa Johns and NFL got involved in political discussions (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/papa-johns-keurig-armour-tiki-torch-brands-not-escape-politics-2017-125853907.html) and spurred controversies. Social media has played a big role in attracting attention. According to data from Trendsmap, more than 60,000 tweets about FedEx emerged in 24 hours. Some used #FedExDumpNRA (https://twitter.com/hashtag/FedExDumpNRA?src=hash) to pressure the shipping giant to drop its affiliation with the NRA.
Social media is a freaking mess (which I knew it would become when it emerged) but companies using it to steer their business direction is very dangerous. If the trend continues and society puts more weight on fake "friends" and the number of likes someone has, things are going to get really ugly.
ETA Again: Found another article from the Washington Post;
United and Delta cut ties to NRA as boycott movement spreads to global corporations (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/united-and-delta-cut-ties-to-nra-as-boycott-movement-spreads-to-global-corporations/ar-BBJx07h)
While it’s unclear what effect the corporate snubs will have on the NRA, they have given the nascent #BoycottNRA (https://twitter.com/hashtag/BoycottNRA?src=hash) a string of rapid, prominent victories and exposed vulnerabilities in a gun rights lobby that had seemed untouchable less than two weeks ago.
The NRA claims 5 million members and takes in tens of millions of dollars each year through memberships, which it uses to fight gun regulations in the name of the U.S. Constitution, which guarantees Americans the right to bear arms.
Gun-control organizations Moms Demand Action and Everytown sent a letter Friday asking five companies — Google, Amazon, Apple, AT&T and Roku — to cease streaming NRATV, saying “it’s time for tech leaders to acknowledge their role in helping the NRA spread this dangerous content.” But the streams remain.Still, as more and more corporations break with the NRA, there are signs that the movement is swaying lawmakers as well as corporations. For example, Florida Gov. Rick Scott and other Republicans have endorsed banning assault rifle sales to anyone under age 21 — which the NRA opposes. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/florida-gov-rick-scott-backs-raising-age-for-gun-purchases-to-21/2018/02/23/4dc444f6-18a6-11e8-8b08-027a6ccb38eb_story.html?utm_term=.32d72908290d) Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), on the other hand, was jeered at a recent CNN town hall for saying he would continue to accept political contributions from the gun rights group. (https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/21/politics/rubio-nra-money-cameron-kasky/index.html)
Public pressure campaigns have become a favorite tool of liberal groups during Trump’s presidency — from early efforts (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/food/wp/2017/02/20/a-trump-wine-boycott-backfires-spectacularly/?utm_term=.d313271fae5b)to boycott Trump-branded products, to a Twitter campaign that identified and exposed (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2017/08/14/a-twitter-campaign-is-outing-people-who-marched-with-white-nationalists-in-charlottesville/?utm_term=.77e5d4d88c1b) people seen marching at a far-right protest in Charlottesville last summer. Social media and Internet companies began to ban far-right personalities from their sites after that rally turned violent.
kidicarus13
02-24-2018, 13:40
The only disagreement I have is encouraging folks to join, or donate to the NRA, they are more harm than good.
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I just upgraded my NRA membership from Life to Endowment. The NRA is gearing up for another fight to save private gun ownership, they are the only reason the 2A hasn't been completely abolished by now.
Another example of gun owners not agreeing on something the left would assume we do.
Maybe i should start another thread on whether to support or not support the NRA since it is under attack. .
I just upgraded my NRA membership from Life to Endowment. The NRA is gearing up for another fight to save private gun ownership, they are the only reason the 2A hasn't been completely abolished by now.
Then they need to take a consistent position and communicate it. Just like with Trump, the haters won't stop hating them so what's the risk?
I let my membership run out this year after about 10 years because of their bump stock waffling. I wanted to wait and see what happens while sending a message. This, btw, is why I am not Life/Endowment. Once you hand over that cash, your voice means nothing. An annual membership keeps them in line and actually gives them more over time.
I am also waiting for any run rights organization to mount a challenge to local/state level mag bans. We should all realize that we can defeat this national ban push only to end up like CT, NY, or CA here in CO.
The reason the Founders put 2A in the BoR was because it is universal. If it's not fully incorporated against the states it means nothing.
The NRA runs a lot of the safety and training programs used across the country. Who's going to pick up the ball?
The free market of ideas. There are more than enough firearm instructors/teachers/coaches, schools, curriculums, ranges, and the internet for ANYONE to say “ I didn’t know any better” the NRA’s curriculum sucks and is outdated anyway. Plus the long term damage to the natural right far outweighs the gains of them offering Fudd school for newbies IMO.
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I believe that the NRA is the reason we still have any guns in our possession. I for one am willing to give up bump stocks if that means keeping what else we have now. The gun control groups will never give up, throwing a bone is something that has always been done. Since we don’t have a parallel universe we may never know if not giving an inch would have worked against things like full auto. Bump stocks are a recent development and not something that has any long-standing tradition in this country. Bump stocks could have just as easily been shot down (pun intended) by the BATF when they were first submitted, and no one would have given it a second thought.
I would like to see gun owners get something when we give but it doesn't happen. Our representatives always want to prove they can be reasonable on gun control and it never works. The gun control groups are content with the death of guns by a thousand cuts. Personally, I would like to see reciprocity in exchange for bump stocks and moving the age to buy center fire semi auto rifles to 21. But our representatives will likely give in and not get anything.
I believe that the NRA is the reason we still have any guns in our possession. I for one am willing to give up bump stocks if that means keeping what else we have now.
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Sounds reasonable but when has that option ever been on the table? Compromise has been one-way only and everyone in this debate should know that. Gun grabbers certainly do.
1934 > 1968 > 1986 > 1994
Notice how not a single piece of gun legislation ever protects guns/function outside of the ban. Nothing draws a definitive line. Would a bump stock ban also include language that semi-auto rifles are protected going forward?
It was implied after 1934 that firearms in common use were protected and gun control was only legitimate in restricting dangerous and unusual weapons. Since we can't seem to get this test re-instated there are no boundaries around what they can take.
At the risk of needing a tinfoil hat! I believe the reports that Russia, using our social media, launched an all-out assault on the recent election with no other goal than to disrupt the US by simply pitting Americans against each other. With that in mind why would it be much of a stretch to see Russia using their social media bot system to drive a wedge in gun ownership in this country by making it appear most us are against the only obstacle, the NRA. Or, maybe it’s just an attempt to get Americans to fear gun control and begin buying mass quantities of Russian guns and ammo. I’m sure their gun business is down as well because of the resent election here. Either way I think the Russians or Chinese are, somehow, involved in this current gun control issue, and our social media mob rule is playing right into their hand.
Grant H.
02-24-2018, 16:06
I believe that the NRA is the reason we still have any guns in our possession. I for one am willing to give up bump stocks if that means keeping what else we have now. The gun control groups will never give up, throwing a bone is something that has always been done. Since we don’t have a parallel universe we may never know if not giving an inch would have worked against things like full auto. Bump stocks are a recent development and not something that has any long-standing tradition in this country. Bump stocks could have just as easily been shot down (pun intended) by the BATF when they were first submitted, and no one would have given it a second thought.
I would like to see gun owners get something when we give but it doesn't happen. Our representatives always want to prove they can be reasonable on gun control and it never works. The gun control groups are content with the death of guns by a thousand cuts. Personally, I would like to see reciprocity in exchange for bump stocks and moving the age to buy center fire semi auto rifles to 21. But our representatives will likely give in and not get anything.
And what bone has the gun control group thrown that keeps you interested in throwing them a bone? The fact that they still deign to allow you to have a gun? Not good enough.
FUDD's, of which you sound like one in this post, are more dangerous to our 2A rights than most GC advocates.
The ATF has clearly stated that bump stocks do NOT violate any laws on the books. Allowing the "if it saves one child" stupidity to bring stricter laws, what you're proposing to do with giving up bump stocks, is the precedent that will be needed to make a functional ban like "semi-autos are evil and shouldn't be allowed" stick.
Grant H.
02-24-2018, 16:11
At the risk of needing a tinfoil hat! I believe the reports that Russia, using our social media, launched an all-out assault on the recent election with no other goal than to disrupt the US by simply pitting Americans against each other. With that in mind why would it be much of a stretch to see Russia using their social media bot system to drive a wedge in gun ownership in this country by making it appear most us are against the only obstacle, the NRA. Or, maybe it’s just an attempt to get Americans to fear gun control and begin buying mass quantities of Russian guns and ammo. I’m sure their gun business is down as well because of the resent election here. Either way I think the Russians or Chinese are, somehow, involved in this current gun control issue, and our social media mob rule is playing right into their hand.
The fact that you are looking for an external source is laughable.
Soros, Bloomberg, the Clintons, etc are much closer, and more effective, at driving these plans to undermine, and eventually eliminate, the BoR altogether.
They may have used the Russians/Chinese, but they paid for their services in either Money or Goods (Uranium).
I was less amused than anyone with the NRA tossing bump stocks under the bus after Las Vegas and still think it was a tremendous mistake to give up something with absolutely nothing in return. That said, I sent NRA-ILA a donation today. I can't drown thinking I didn't at least try to help a little.
Grant H.
02-24-2018, 16:48
I was less amused than anyone with the NRA tossing bump stocks under the bus after Las Vegas and still think it was a tremendous mistake to give up something with absolutely nothing in return. That said, I sent NRA-ILA a donation today. I can't drown thinking I didn't at least try to help a little.
I'm in about the same boat.
I sincerely disapprove of their actions on some things, but with the coming battle the more players we have fighting for our side (NRA, GOA, RMGO (despite Dudleys BS), etc) the better off we will be.
Wow Grant, it’s always amusing and speaks volumes when some people are incapable of articulating their position on an issue without name calling. I love to hear differing points of view on issues. A little back and forth on an issue is fun and people who are just listening learn something. I like to hear people explain their position and where I’m wrong on an issue. With your truculence, “laughable” “stupidity” “FUDD”, I don’t hear a word you are saying. I do wander what your vitriol would look like to someone not on your team. Something that my dad said to me comes to mind “In a battle of wits never engage with an unarmed person, it’s not fair to them”. Have a nice day.
buffalobo
02-24-2018, 18:37
And locked.
Should be self explanatory.
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