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RblDiver
02-24-2018, 23:10
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/02/23/backfire-enterprises-slap-in-nras-and-gun-owners-faces-is-not-working-out-well-for-them/
Enterprise/Alamo/National
SimpliSafe
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/02/23/hmmm-just-one-tiny-problem-with-metlifes-tweet-about-cutting-ties-with-the-nra/
MetLife
https://twitchy.com/bethb-313034/2018/02/24/why-must-you-get-political-even-more-companies-pull-their-benefits-for-nra-members/
United
Delta
https://twitter.com/hertz/status/967132184439066626
Hertz
https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/02/24/heres-all-of-the-companies-boycotting-the-nra-and-why-you-should-boycott-them-back
Symantec
First National Bank of Omaha
Wyndam Hotels
Avis
Best Western
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/167260-Call-to-Action?p=2121985&viewfull=1#post2121985
KevDen2005
02-25-2018, 00:32
Geez, every time I get home from work there has been way too much drama.
I was wondering if there was a list of businesses supporting gun rights or the NRA? Is there such a source for that kind of thing?
I was wondering if there was a list of businesses supporting gun rights or the NRA? Is there such a source for that kind of thing?
That's a really short list if social media has anything to say about it. FedEx is still giving a 26% discount to NRA members, but we'll see how long they can endure the social media onslaught.
electronman1729
02-25-2018, 00:41
Who uses these businesses to begin with?
KevDen2005
02-25-2018, 00:45
That's a really short list if social media has anything to say about it. FedEx is still giving a 26% discount to NRA members, but we'll see how long they can endure the social media onslaught.
That's what I'm talking about....I had no idea NRA members got a discount there and I use them somewhat regularly.
I had used NRA hotel discounts for my annual (usually) cross-country trips to visit my folks in WA.
WTF - All these years I could have been getting discounts at certain places because I'm an NRA member?? Criminy. I can't even count how many times we've rented from Enterprise.
Scanker19
02-25-2018, 07:03
Geez, every time I get home from work there has been way too much drama.
I was wondering if there was a list of businesses supporting gun rights or the NRA? Is there such a source for that kind of thing?
Only the ones that would break the internet from all the shade that got thrown from the clap back on social media....
KevDen2005
02-25-2018, 07:46
Only the ones that would break the internet from all the shade that got thrown from the clap back on social media....
What about companies that are 2A supporters in general? Like Black Rifle Coffee. I support them for a number of reasons and choose not to spend my money at Starbucks. If I know of business that support rights I'm more happy and willing to spend my money there.
I used to rent from Enterprise every year.....not any more
They just need to ignore mass media and social media. Those crying likely do not contribute to their bottom line.
GilpinGuy
02-25-2018, 09:07
If you choose to not use an anti 2A biz, send them an email, Yelp, etc. and tell them that. None of them are reading this thread.
Bailey Guns
02-25-2018, 09:44
I'm starting with Norton/Symantec. I've used it for as long as I can remember on all my devices. No more. If they don't want my business that's fine. They're not the only game in town. I know they don't care but I do.
I've been a long-time Norton AV user. However, thanks to Symantec's anti-NRA views I no longer will spend a dime with Norton/Symantec. I've disabled my "Auto Renew" with Norton. If you don't want to do business with the NRA then you don't want to do business with me. No problem. The NRA has nothing to do with school shootings or any other criminal behavior and supports gun safety training around the country. I'm sending a contribution today to the NRA/ILA for the amount I would've spent on my upcoming Norton renewal. I'm sure I can find another company that will be more than happy to do business with a proud, NRA Benefactor Life Member.
I'll be going down the list of companies and sending the same thing. Just because I have nothing better to do today.
So the NRA has 10-15 percent of the membership that AARP has. That's a tiny number. The 2nd amendment is a constitutional protected right. Growing old is not. How is that. We need to really work on out PR.
Bailey Guns
02-25-2018, 10:07
If you need a pro-America, pro-gun senior organization, look at AMAC (https://amac.us/). AARP has been run by commie leftists for as long as I can remember. They plainly state right on their home page they are pro 2A.
emiller35
02-25-2018, 10:32
What about companies that are 2A supporters in general? Like Black Rifle Coffee. I support them for a number of reasons and choose not to spend my money at Starbucks. If I know of business that support rights I'm more happy and willing to spend my money there.
^Agreed
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headline: "Bank of America wants to talk to customers who make guns".
http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/24/news/companies/bank-of-america-assault-weapons/index.html
They should think about talking to their customers who make cars. After all, they have a shared responsibility for the drunk drivers that kill people using their cars. [fail]
If possible, send a photo of your receipt for using competitors product when you quit.
What a joke. Is the business of the bank to end mass shootings? No? Then shut the fuck up. Maybe some businesses should have a talk with BoA about toxic mortgages.
headline: "Bank of America wants to talk to customers who make guns".
http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/24/news/companies/bank-of-america-assault-weapons/index.html
Lol. They don’t seem to have an issue taking my payments after I’ve used their card to order firearm related stuff online.
Might hit a few websites now and see what’s on sale and let them buy me some more gun stuff until the bill comes due next month.
OtterbatHellcat
02-25-2018, 15:24
I just rented a car from Hertz Wednesday night late. I got the "How'd we do?" survey for me to fill out.
I'll speak my mind about their new "attitude" regarding their stance on the NRA. Them and anyone else who caves.....fvck 'em.
hollohas
02-25-2018, 16:16
The NRA response is pretty awesome.
Since the tragedy in Parkland, Florida, a number of companies have decided to sever their relationshipwith the NRA, in an effort to punish our members who are doctors, farmers, law enforcement officers, fire fighters, nurses, shop owners and school teachers that live in every American community. We are men and women who represent every American ethnic group, every one of the world’s religions and every form of political commitment.
The law-abiding members of the NRA had nothing at all to do with the failure of that school’s security preparedness, the failure of America’s mental health system, the failure of the National Instant Check System or the cruel failures of both federal and local law enforcement.
Despite that, some corporations have decided to punish NRA membership in a shameful display of political and civic cowardice. In time, these brands will be replaced by others who recognize that patriotism and determined commitment to Constitutional freedoms are characteristics of a marketplace they very much want to serve.
Let it be absolutely clear. The loss of a discount will neither scare nor distract one single NRA member from our mission to stand and defend the individual freedoms that have always made America the greatest nation in the world.
Bailey Guns
02-25-2018, 17:00
Yeah...that's a perfect response and much more eloquent than the "fuck you, too" I would've given them.
OtterbatHellcat
02-25-2018, 17:08
*ding ding*
I was thinking it, Bailey.
The NRA response is pretty awesome.
Except they forgot to mention their support for banning bump stocks.
Bailey Guns
02-25-2018, 17:33
I don't agree with their position on bump stocks. It doesn't change the fact they're standing up to these social justice whiners on this particular issue. My wife says and does things I don't agree with, too. Doesn't mean I'm gonna kick her to the curb because of it.
ChadAmberg
02-25-2018, 17:35
Isn't so nice and easy for them? If gun owners and NRA members were the violent sociopaths that the left thinks they are, these hotels/car rental/airports would be the scenes of bloodbaths by now.
Bailey Guns
02-25-2018, 17:49
https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/02/25/dozens-of-companies-boycott-nra-over-florida-shooting-but-its-backfiring-big-time
Yeah...who didn't see that coming?
Fuckin' liberals. :)
Georgia lieutenant governor threatens Delta after it cuts ties with NRA (https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/georgia-lieutenant-governor-threatens-delta-after-it-cuts-ties-with-nra/ar-BBJCOYt)
Georgia Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle (R) said Monday he would block any tax legislation that benefits Delta Airlines after the company ended its discount program for National Rifle Association (NRA) members.
"I will kill any tax legislation that benefits @Delta unless the company changes its position and fully reinstates its relationship with @NRA. Corporations cannot attack conservatives and expect us not to fight back," Cagle tweeted.
Bailey Guns
02-26-2018, 19:29
I called the governor's office today and asked them to bar state employees from using several of the companies on the list (United, Delta, Best Western and the various rental car companies). Apparently I wasn't the first one to call and suggest that. The lady on the phone sounded a little exasperated.
BPTactical
02-26-2018, 19:30
Georgia lieutenant governor threatens Delta after it cuts ties with NRA (https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/georgia-lieutenant-governor-threatens-delta-after-it-cuts-ties-with-nra/ar-BBJCOYt)
Can you say $40 million tax break in the keester?
hollohas
02-26-2018, 21:02
Can you say $40 million tax break in the keester?Awesome.
FedEx won't drop NRA from discount program (https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/fedex-wont-drop-nra-from-discount-program/ar-BBJDbEG)
FedEx Corp said on Monday it would allow the National Rifle Association to continue using a discount program but said it opposed sales of assault rifles.
The package delivery company's statement comes as major corporations are under pressures to sever marketing and other ties with the NRA in the aftermath of the Feb. 14 shooting that killed 17 people at a Florida high school.
FedEx said its positions on the issues of gun policy and safety differ from those of the NRA. The shipper supports restricting assault rifles to the military and opposes allowing civilians to use them.
"While we strongly support the constitutional right of U.S. citizens to own firearms subject to appropriate background checks, FedEx views assault rifles and large capacity magazines as an inherent potential danger to schools, workplaces, and communities when such weapons are misused," FedEx said.
As for discounts, it added that "FedEx has never set or changed rates for any of our millions of customers around the world in response to their politics, beliefs or positions on issues."
hollohas
02-28-2018, 06:46
Dicks Sporting Goods is going to stop selling AR's, high capacity mags and will no longer sell guns to anyone under 21 regardless of local law, according to their CEO. They are going to remove the guns and mags from their stores today. The CEO said it is a direct response to the murders in FL.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-28/were-going-take-stand-dicks-stops-selling-assault-rifles-permanently
Shooter45
02-28-2018, 06:58
Dicks Sporting Goods is going to stop selling AR's, high capacity mags and will no longer sell guns to anyone under 21 regardless of local law, according to their CEO. They are going to remove the guns and mags from their stores today. The CEO said it is a direct response to the murders in FL.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-28/were-going-take-stand-dicks-stops-selling-assault-rifles-permanently
Good thing I never cared for this place and don't use it.
kidicarus13
02-28-2018, 07:12
No surprise here. I haven't been in one of their stores for 5+ years.
hollohas
02-28-2018, 07:24
Add Google.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180228/af338d1c4f41ebff2ea027ed2c300777.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180228/27f251b6f1efaf4121d9886a173aae47.jpg
Bailey Guns
02-28-2018, 07:31
I'm certainly not defending Google but I searched for "AR-15 parts" and got 1.6 million results. Tops were Primary Arms, PSA, CTD, Brownell's, Midway...pretty much what I'd expect to get.
Shooter45
02-28-2018, 07:49
I'm certainly not defending Google but I searched for "AR-15 parts" and got 1.6 million results. Tops were Primary Arms, PSA, CTD, Brownell's, Midway...pretty much what I'd expect to get.
I pulled up a lot of results when I searched AR-15 parts as well.
You can ad Dick,s sporting good to the list
hollohas
02-28-2018, 08:15
Notice it's under the "shopping" filter. That is a screenshot I personally took from Google, not some viral picture.
Yes, that stuff comes up under normal searches, but they are filtering the stuff from the "shopping" catagory.
hurley842002
02-28-2018, 08:29
Notice it's under the "shopping" filter. That is a screenshot I personally took from Google, not some viral picture.
Yes, that stuff comes up under normal searches, but they are filtering the stuff from the "shopping" catagory.Yup, did the same thing.
AR-15 parts vs Huawei watch 2 sport: https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180228/afe75afacf0844f5c8e733b28e67abcd.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180228/449d2864e906ddfd318477c16639b256.jpg
I searched for "rifle bag" using Google and I received all kinds of results.
Never shop there because their prices are ridiculous, but here’s another reason to avoid this company and any organization they’re involved with. Dick’s Sporting Goods
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/380382002
hollohas
02-28-2018, 08:47
I searched for "rifle bag" using Google and I received all kinds of results.You guys must all still be waking up. They are filtering results from the "shopping" catagory as is shown in my screenshot.
hurley842002
02-28-2018, 08:49
I searched for "rifle bag" using Google and I received all kinds of results.In the "shopping" tab?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180228/9f15d5d596782c2022b47dae74db6d49.jpg
I didn't use the "shopping" tab so I did, lo and behold "no items found".
I use DuckDuckGo, didn't even know google had a shopping tab.
When I'm shopping I usually go straight to my preferred vendors.
Scanker19
02-28-2018, 08:57
Never shop there because their prices are ridiculous, but here’s another reason to avoid this company and any organization they’re involved with. Dick’s Sporting Goods
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/380382002
Yeah, Fuck Dick's...
Yeah, Fuck Dick's...
What a bunch of Limp Dicks.
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I've long had a rule. I don't do Dick's. I remember what they did to Galyan's.
I never knew about the Google Shopping tab. Never needed it. I just put in what I'm looking for and add the word "sale".
Bailey Guns
02-28-2018, 09:45
OK...never use the "Shopping" tab.
Dicks Sporting Goods is going to stop selling AR's, high capacity mags and will no longer sell guns to anyone under 21 regardless of local law, according to their CEO. They are going to remove the guns and mags from their stores today. The CEO said it is a direct response to the murders in FL.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-28/were-going-take-stand-dicks-stops-selling-assault-rifles-permanently
Ummm... Didn't they stop selling evil black rifles after "Sandy Hook"?
Yep... https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/28/17061618/dicks-sporting-goods-parkland-gun-sales
hurley842002
02-28-2018, 10:07
Ummm... Didn't they stop selling evil black rifles after "Sandy Hook"?
Yep... https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/28/17061618/dicks-sporting-goods-parkland-gun-salesYup, trying to "double dip" on another tragedy is what it sounds like to me...
Bailey Guns
02-28-2018, 10:13
Not trying to be a smartass...I just don't know. Why would I care about "shopping" results when I get the results I did with just a normal.search? Are they going to be different...assuming I get results?
Disgusting, but I'm not at all surprised from those jag offs at Dick's having a #metoo moment.
The problem with denying 18-20 year olds long guns is that they're being denied their 2A rights. Why do people love children and then make them victims from age 18-20 as many of them start to make their own way in life?
Not trying to be a smartass...I just don't know. Why would I care about "shopping" results when I get the results I did with just a normal.search? Are they going to be different...assuming I get results?
I think it was a way to filter results, maybe?
I've been using Google since before there ever was a shopping tab, so I don't use it and get what I want. I think in terms of key search terms and don't have any issues. Apparently with the shopping tab, a seller sends bucks to Google for preferred positioning in the shopping tab. In that respect, I'm glad anyone selling "AR-15 parts" isn't kicking money to Google.
Yup, did the same thing.
AR-15 parts vs Huawei watch 2 sport: https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180228/afe75afacf0844f5c8e733b28e67abcd.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180228/449d2864e906ddfd318477c16639b256.jpg
Huawei is a company with direct ties to the Chinese government and some people recommend against buying their products as a security risk, or so I've read in my tech news feed. Google doesn't care though.
Not trying to be a smartass...I just don't know. Why would I care about "shopping" results when I get the results I did with just a normal.search? Are they going to be different...assuming I get results?
Pretty much what Gman said. For example I've found some product I've been interested online before, only to find that I'm on some manufacturer's site where I can't actually purchase said item. Another search is only a few clicks away and I just have to filter out discussion forums and everything else. In a world of instant gratification and ultimate convenience, you get a "Shopping" tab.
hurley842002
02-28-2018, 11:03
Huawei is a company with direct ties to the Chinese government and some people recommend against buying their products as a security risk, or so I've read in my tech news feed. Google doesn't care though.Meh, I guess I'm "vulnerable" now.
buffalobo
02-28-2018, 11:04
Not trying to be a smartass...I just don't know. Why would I care about "shopping" results when I get the results I did with just a normal.search? Are they going to be different...assuming I get results?I know "shopping" tab is there but I don't use it, it sucks. Rarely returns deals in my opinion, all paid ads. I get better results in "All" tab.
If you're unarmed, you are a victim
Funny article on the Google "gun" ban:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/google-tried-censoring-gun-shopping-searches-it-backfired/article/2650230
In the wake of the Florida school shooting, Google decided to take a stand. The gatekeeper of the Internet decided to filter shopping searches that included the term “gun.” It didn't go so well.
Early Tuesday morning, Internet shoppers started noticing and documenting the digital gaffes. Users received error notices when they searched for glue guns and water guns, toy guns and airsoft guns, nail guns and nerf guns. The algorithm is apparently so strict that even the color "burgundy" triggered an error because it includes "gun" in the spelling.
This set off something of a parlor game on social media. Turns out, adults don’t like it when faceless bureaucrats try enforcing arbitrary restrictions — federal, corporate, or otherwise.
Casey “Stable Genius” Smith found that Google now censors “Laguna Beach."
Funny article on the Google "gun" ban:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/google-tried-censoring-gun-shopping-searches-it-backfired/article/2650230
That reminds me of years ago when my company had a filter on our email. I kept getting blocked by the Japanese company named "Matsushita", now known as Panasonic.
Meh, I guess I'm "vulnerable" now.
That's not my opinion (I don't have one), just what I've read.
That's not my opinion (I don't have one), just what I've read.
You read correctly. The biggest concern is in their networking hardware.
Notice it's under the "shopping" filter. That is a screenshot I personally took from Google, not some viral picture.
Yes, that stuff comes up under normal searches, but they are filtering the stuff from the "shopping" catagory.
Take out the -15 and you get responses, and spell rifle wrong and get responses seems like they blocked specific searches.
buffalobo
02-28-2018, 11:34
I can still walk into LGS and order most any make/model firearm I am going to be interested in.
Just last week got two quotes from two different LGS that beat best internet pricing available.
I purchased the majority of my firearms off internet the last 10yrs, pricing was better than LGS, that metric seems to be changing, at least for my interests.
Piss on Google.
If you're unarmed, you are a victim
Something else I noticed about Google search today.
If I put an "&" in the search field, such as "S&W 625," Google cuts off everything after the "&" in the search results.
Just wonder if it is related to their recent search results hack job. It did not do this before today.
Aloha_Shooter
02-28-2018, 12:23
If you're going to engage in economic pushback -- and I support efforts to do so -- make sure you tell the respective companies what you're doing and why. It's too easy for them to ascribe any lost traffic to other means. I can generally fly American instead of Delta or United (it's more inconvenient but I can do it) but a lot of the airports only have the 3 or 4 main rental car companies (note: Avis and Budget are linked as are Enterprise and National).
My feedback to United and Delta is that their actions are NOT neutral as they are claiming but are in actively siding with the regressive Stalinists who seek to destroy American traditions and culture with a foundation of lies and distortions.
RblDiver
02-28-2018, 13:10
Interesting thing pointed out about the Dicks decision...if they refuse to sell firearms to people 18-20 (where such sales would be legal), but do sell to people 21+, that's actually age discrimination, which is illegal in many states (not CO, apparently).
Interesting thing pointed out about the Dicks decision...if they refuse to sell firearms to people 18-20 (where such sales would be legal), but do sell to people 21+, that's actually age discrimination, which is illegal in many states (not CO, apparently).
Good point.
JohnnyEgo
02-28-2018, 13:57
For what it is worth, I spend about $8-10K a year at Hertz. Whether that means anything to them is debatable, but here is what I sent them on their last survey:
I am profoundly disappointed with the Hertz corporation's recent decision to publically drop the NRA marketing agreement. I am not a member of the NRA, but I am disgusted by your calculated corporate cowardice. Whatever the NRA and/or it's membership may be guilty of, they certainly aren't the ones to engage in criminal acts in Parkland, nor to my knowledge has an NRA member been the perpetrator of any school shooting. You have signaled a clear willingness to take sides in a divisive social issue and publically stigmatize a large group of people. I don't believe my opinion matters to you, but I am certain my dollars do. I will be thinking very carefully about how I choose to spend those dollars when next I rent a vehicle.
wctriumph
02-28-2018, 14:05
I don't shop at Dick's anyway so I can't "affect" their bottom line. However, I did contact and them (and the other entities that are distancing themselves from the NRA) by email stating that I could no longer in good faith support any company that disregards the constitutional rights of the individual for political reasons.
Goddammit, I'm about a year in with Simplisafe and really like it....
O2
Should just name your entry point devices "Gun Room", "NRA Members-Only Guest Room", etc.
RblDiver
02-28-2018, 18:03
Add Walmart to the list. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/walmart-raises-minimum-age-buying-234152551.html
I think it's just a matter of time before someone 18-20 files suit as to being denied their rights protected by the 2A.
I think it's just a matter of time before someone 18-20 files suit as to being denied their rights protected by the 2A.
The kind of 18-20 year-old with the kind of money to file suit probably isn't buying guns.
Would be nice if someone did bring a lawsuit, won, and then used the winnings to buy a bunch of guns and ammo.
I think it's just a matter of time before someone 18-20 files suit as to being denied their rights protected by the 2A.
If refusing to bake someone a cake because they take it up the pooper is seen as some sort of discrimination then certainly refusing to sell something to someone based solely on their age has to be discrimination.
RblDiver
02-28-2018, 18:42
The kind of 18-20 year-old with the kind of money to file suit probably isn't buying guns.
Any lawyer who wants to make some money would take up the case for "free" in exchange for a part of the award.
Any lawyer who wants to make some money would take up the case for "free" in exchange for a part of the award.
That's true, plus my post was total BS anyway; like I know anything about how rich 20 year-olds spend their money.
The kind of 18-20 year-old with the kind of money to file suit probably isn't buying guns.Some organization with deeper pockets would assist.
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kidicarus13
03-01-2018, 14:06
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ditching-nra-isnt-hurting-delta-united-companies-170412739.html
What will the blowback be?
That’s the question CEOs have to ask when deciding whether to sever ties with the National Rifle Association, as nearly 20 companies have done during the last week or so. The answer: There may not be any blowback at all.
Surveys by YouGov BrandIndex, which measures the reputation of prominent brands on an ongoing basis, has found no meaningful decline in the reputation of companies such as United, Delta, Avis, MetLife and Symantec. All have ended affiliations that gave NRA members discounts or perks.
In some cases, the reputational score of such companies actually improved slightly. United’s score, for instance, improved by 4.6 points, while Delta’s went up by 1.5 points. YouGov computes scores by asking survey respondents whether they have a positive or negative impression of a brand. The worst possible score is -100 (totally negative) while the best is 100 (totally positive).
United’s score improved from -2.4 to 2.2. Delta’s improved from 0.5 to 2.0. Airlines generally rate neutral, which means roughly the same portion of people have negative views as have positive ones. The score improvements don’t necessarily mean all consumers have a slightly more positive view of the two airlines. More likely, some people react strongly in both directions, while others barely react at all. The net effect is a slightly improved reputation.
Of 17 brands that have broken ties with the NRA, 9 improved slightly in YouGov’s surveys. The rest were essentially unchanged. None showed a measurable decline.
YouGov doesn’t consider any of those moves statistically significant. “It doesn’t look like there is likely to be positive or negative short-term impact on business results,” Ted Marzilli, CEO of YouGov Data Products, told Yahoo Finance. “Some brands will no doubt attract boycotts, but the data suggests those are not likely to stick or have much impact.”
Certain consumer brands have been grappling for years with the right way to address concerns about gun violence without alienating gun owners. Dick’s Sporting Goods, Walmart and Fred Meyer, a division of Kroger, have all announced new changes to their policies on gun sales, such as ending the sale of assault-style weapons and raising the minimum age for a gun purchase.
Is the NRA on its heels? Perhaps. But the NRA’s real power is political, thanks to millions of dollars in donations to gun-friendly politicians, and shrewd tactics in terms of candidates it chooses to back. Even so, the NRA has been out of step with mainstream views on guns for years, since Americans favor modestly stronger gun laws, which the NRA is dead-set against.
If there’s a message in the latest data, it’s that companies facing off against the NRA have less to fear than politicians who do.
That makes sense to me. When you boil it down virtue signaling (in either direction) is more of a PR aspect, rather than a concrete portion of a real business plan.
OtterbatHellcat
03-01-2018, 20:17
I just finished my Hertz review.
Every chance I had a window to type into, I just said:............. "I'm an NRA member, and I will never do business with you again."
OtterbatHellcat
03-01-2018, 20:34
This is funny,....but I'm sure some, or many of you might have sent a scathing message to Dick's Sporting Goods expressing your displeasure with recent developments resulting from their business decisions.
Could one, at that point, be proud to say that they "just smoked Dick's". ?.... ha ha ha...[ROFL1]
[gohome]
This is funny,....but I'm sure some, or many of you might have sent a scathing message to Dick's Sporting Goods expressing your displeasure with recent developments resulting from their business decisions.
Could one, at that point, be proud to say that they "just smoked Dick's". ?.... ha ha ha...[ROFL1]
[gohome]Might be a repost. Still funny though.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180302/c5d026c07dc5ab0ccbdf0216372efd4b.jpg
CoGirl303
03-02-2018, 05:57
Promise Made
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180302/f18fc6fb281c7e308687f66a2b35f083.jpg
Promise kept. Delta just got blue falconed.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/01/georgia-lawmakers-yank-tax-break-for-delta-after-airline-cuts-ties-with-nra.html
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RblDiver
03-02-2018, 14:03
So, now the Delta CEO is trying to say they'll drop discounts for any "politically divisive" group.
Sorry, still no, the Second Amendment should NOT be divisive.
Good, he should. Providing discounts to NRA members has nothing to do with the Second Amendment and is just as much virtue signaling as any other discount or political stance.
.455_Hunter
03-02-2018, 14:22
I find this hard to believe, but supposedly only 13 tickets had ever been purchased with Delta using the NRA discount.
I find this hard to believe, but supposedly only 13 tickets had ever been purchased with Delta using the NRA discount.
I don't, I've never heard of a Delta discount, if I had I would have used it.. Same with half the other companies they've listed so far.
Martinjmpr
03-02-2018, 15:18
I think it's just a matter of time before someone 18-20 files suit as to being denied their rights protected by the 2A.
Problem is, by the time it worked its way through the court systems the plaintiff would be 21 and the suit would be dismissed since the plaintiff is no longer suffering an injury.
What if NRA-ILA filed on behalf of all 18-20 year olds in a class action fashion? The injury of those 3 years doesn't disappear. emotional suffering, denial of civil rights, sort of thing?
Bailey Guns
03-02-2018, 15:42
I don't find it odd that few people use their NRA discounts thru Delta or any others offered. I NEVER ask for an NRA discount...just never think about it.
On the other hand, it isn't about the discount. I don't give a rat's ass about the discount. I do care that certain companies claim to value everyone as customers and then pull shit like this. Does anyone think if they offered a discount to the NAACP (just using that as an example...don't get all wound up) and then publicly made a big announcement about discontinuing it over some politically charged incident there wouldn't be progressive heads exploding all over the country? This is about targeting a certain group of people because of their views and opinions on guns and gun rights. Sure, they have a right to do it. And I have a right to bitch and moan about it and complain to the company and to post how much I think they suck for doing it.
I'm just tired of all the double standards inflicted on everyone by progressives in the name of social justice.
Aloha_Shooter
03-02-2018, 16:00
Good, he should. Providing discounts to NRA members has nothing to do with the Second Amendment and is just as much virtue signaling as any other discount or political stance.
MMmm ... no, providing discounts to any group having a large gathering is about marketing to a large gathering or group just like they do with AARP or Veterans Advantage. It has nothing to do with the Second Amendment but it also has nothing to do with virtue signalling. Delta and United never advertised those discounts to the general public -- if they had marketed the discounts as some kind of support for the 2A, THAT would have been virtue signalling but they haven't and they don't.
The reason I take offense at what they've done is that it's NOT a blind change in business policy. They publicized the end of the group discount only with the NRA and they did it in a manner that indicates virtue signalling. Those who think that "virtue" is a vice should therefore be free to respond accordingly.
Don't get me wrong, I disagree with the stance they are taking. As an airline, they should fly people to places and not engage in politics.
Aloha_Shooter
03-02-2018, 16:27
My point was just that the "discount" had nothing to do with virtue signalling before (which makes their virtue signalling with cancelling the discount all the more egregious). From what I could tell, the discounts available by being a member of the NRA or American Legion or whatever were off their top-priced fares so actually cost more than buying tickets directly via delta.com or ua.com and getting the lowest available fare. In other words, pretty much useless. I'm surprised they even got 13 people to apply the so-called discounts.
You're probably correct, especially since they didn't advertise the discount.
Martinjmpr
03-02-2018, 16:44
What if NRA-ILA filed on behalf of all 18-20 year olds in a class action fashion? The injury of those 3 years doesn't disappear. emotional suffering, denial of civil rights, sort of thing?
Interesting question. Pre-Heller I don't think it would have stood a chance of going anywhere.
But with Heller as a precedent, it would be difficult to argue that 18 - 20 year olds can be effectively deprived of a fundamental Constitutional right without due process.
And even though the law would not prohibit 18 - 20 year olds from possessing firearms, I think it could easily be argued that a prohibition against purchasing from a federally licensed FFL is tantamount to a de facto ban on possession since there are many states (like CO) where that is the only way a person can legally purchase a firearm.
In fact, there are lots of challenges to gun laws that could be made post-Heller, for example people convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence crimes and are forever barred from owning firearms.
That would be akin to telling convicted sex offenders that they're never allowed to use the internet, ever. I don't think that would fly as it would be a clear 1st amendment violation.
I think the only reason these kind of suits HAVEN'T been brought is because of the "optics", i.e. nobody wants to front the cash to represent an unpopular plaintiff. Nobody wants to be 'that guy' who represents convicted wife beaters in front of the Supreme Court.
You don't have to be male, or even married, to have a domestic charge. There is a good candidate out there, it's just a matter of finding them.
Aloha_Shooter
03-02-2018, 17:04
So in the Democrat view, 18 year olds (and younger) should have the right to vote and the right to smoke pot (not tobacco!) and declare whatever gender they want without parental notification but not have the right to drink alcohol or acquire firearms to defend themselves. Nor should they even be exposed to firearms (unlike Drivers Ed, which some people want to make mandatory). Yeah, there's consistency for you.
Silly rabbit, logic and reason is lost on them.
Where can you buy pot at 18?
The only company that should be caving to anything is Cave of the Winds.
CoGirl303
03-02-2018, 19:27
Foxtrot, are you an attorney or a prosecutor?
In today's society, you think any judge is going to say "No, you are obligated to sell rifles to teenagers". That shit will make national news.
I guess stating the same thing as "selling rifles to adults" would be too much. They're not selling to 13 year olds.
Foxtrot, are you an attorney or a prosecutor?
Haha, man, the ONE time he didn't put the IANAL warning.
I don't say it because I agree with it, I say it because it's the way it is. MSM isn't going to report it as adults.
Well, 20 isn't a "teenager". I go back to my statement that they should just change the age of majority to 21. Let the kids live at home until they can sign a contract for an apartment at 21. It might be less insulting than treating adults like children.
Great-Kazoo
03-02-2018, 21:04
Haha, man, the ONE time he didn't put the IANAL warning.
Or the No Expert clause .
OtterbatHellcat
03-02-2018, 22:52
I don't find it odd that few people use their NRA discounts thru Delta or any others offered. I NEVER ask for an NRA discount...just never think about it.
On the other hand, it isn't about the discount. I don't give a rat's ass about the discount. I do care that certain companies claim to value everyone as customers and then pull shit like this. Does anyone think if they offered a discount to the NAACP (just using that as an example...don't get all wound up) and then publicly made a big announcement about discontinuing it over some politically charged incident there wouldn't be progressive heads exploding all over the country? This is about targeting a certain group of people because of their views and opinions on guns and gun rights. Sure, they have a right to do it. And I have a right to bitch and moan about it and complain to the company and to post how much I think they suck for doing it.
I'm just tired of all the double standards inflicted on everyone by progressives in the name of social justice.
Yep.
Or the No Expert clause .
Maybe he stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night?
OtterbatHellcat
03-03-2018, 00:01
Expert Clause sounds like it could be a snappily dressed fat guy that shows up in a big red limo to deliver bags of legal interpretation to either save, or implicate your azz....depending on your particular situation at hand.
The Norseman
03-03-2018, 08:43
Where can you buy pot at 18?
If mom and or dad sign off on an 18 yo "needing" medical marijuana. I've seen it happen down here in Durango.
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Great-Kazoo
03-03-2018, 12:15
If mom and or dad sign off on an 18 yo "needing" medical marijuana. I've seen it happen down here in Durango.
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Anytown USA, where it's been decriminalized. Walk around Old town Ft Collins and you'll have 1/2 doz people trying to sell you some weed, man
If mom and or dad sign off on an 18 yo "needing" medical marijuana. I've seen it happen down here in Durango.
Sure, but that is medical, Aloha was comparing it to other commercially available products like beer and cigarettes.
The Norseman
03-03-2018, 15:30
Yes, you're right, but in essence there are little to no 18 year olds who need medical MJ and mommy or daddy has given them ability to walk into an MMJ place and buy as if it were a retail endeavor.
I think the instance of parents signing papers for 18 year-olds to buy medical marijuana is an even smaller number than parents with minors with actual issues (like seizures) that use low THC stuff to help their kids.
BPTactical
03-04-2018, 00:09
Rent an Enterprise car under a false identity, drive it to Knob Creek for the shoot.
Put it on the field.
When done, have it towed to a road, call roadside assistance.
OtterbatHellcat
03-04-2018, 00:14
[ROFL3]....
OtterbatHellcat
03-04-2018, 10:13
Truth.
I wrote many excused absences.....before I was busted.
RblDiver
03-19-2018, 12:13
Next on the list, Kroger, whose brands in the CO area include City Market, King Soopers, Loaf 'N Jug, and others (not to mention tons of other brands elsewhere).
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2018/03/19/kroger-contributing-to-gun-control-effort-by-no-longer-selling-these-magazines-the-print-kind/
Apparently I missed when they stopped selling guns at their Fred Meyer's locations (beginning of March), but now they're not going to sell certain magazines (print type, not ammunition type, though I'm sure the latter too).
Costco is Kroger.
No, it's not.
I thought it was, must be thinking of Kirkland.
Yhea, the local King Sooper's gun magazine selection just shrunk to half of what it was last week (Lexington and Woodmen, Colorado Springs).
O2
Yhea, the local King Sooper's gun magazine selection just shrunk to half of what it was last week (Lexington and Woodmen, Colorado Springs).
O2
Sure thing. They pulled all magazines (the print type) with scary guns on them.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/retail/2018/03/19/kroger-stops-selling-magazines-featuring-assault-rifles/437289002/
The following magazines will no longer be sold there:
Guns & Ammo
Guns Magazine
Firearm News
Military Surplus
Modern Firearms
On Target
Recoil
Rifle Shooter
S.W.A.T.
Special Weapons
Tactical Firearms
Gun Buyer Annual
Gun Guide
Gun World
World of Firepower
All told, fifty-seven distinct UPC coded publications will be pulled
I'm not sure about anyone else, but I know for myself that I'll check out Safeway and other options in the local market. King Soopers is convenient, but there are others in the area.
RblDiver
03-22-2018, 14:03
Given the source, take with a grain of salt, but Citigroup appears to be jumping into the fray:
https://www.infowars.com/citigroup-imposes-restrictions-on-client-gun-sales/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/03/22/citigroup-requires-business-partners-restrict-gun-sales/449181002/
Not just Alex Jones
Martinjmpr
03-22-2018, 14:53
Sure thing. They pulled all magazines (the print type) with scary guns on them.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/retail/2018/03/19/kroger-stops-selling-magazines-featuring-assault-rifles/437289002/
The following magazines will no longer be sold there:
Guns & Ammo
Guns Magazine
Firearm News
Military Surplus
Modern Firearms
On Target
Recoil
Rifle Shooter
S.W.A.T.
Special Weapons
Tactical Firearms
Gun Buyer Annual
Gun Guide
Gun World
World of Firepower
All told, fifty-seven distinct UPC coded publications will be pulled
I'm not sure about anyone else, but I know for myself that I'll check out Safeway and other options in the local market. King Soopers is convenient, but there are others in the area.
People still buy magazines? :confused:
Yhea, the local King Sooper's gun magazine selection just shrunk to half of what it was last week (Lexington and Woodmen, Colorado Springs).
O2
It's okay, we'll just create our own supermarkets.
Given the source, take with a grain of salt, but Citigroup appears to be jumping into the fray:
https://www.infowars.com/citigroup-imposes-restrictions-on-client-gun-sales/
It's okay, we'll just create our own banks.
[serious]It would actually be cool to have a funding/escrow service on gun transactions. Protect buyers/sellers, clear funds, etc... End all the scams.[serious]
CoGirl303
03-22-2018, 17:44
http://www.businessinsider.com/citigroup-requiring-clients-to-adopt-stricter-standards-for-firearm-sales-2018-3
Add citigroup to the list.
Cut up those credit cards and transfer those loans to another bank.
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Scanker19
03-22-2018, 18:22
People still buy magazines? :confused:
Yeah, sometimes the pages get stuck....eeerrrrrr ripped and you have to get a new one.
People still buy magazines? :confused:
I think it's a good gauge if the company hates you or not.
RblDiver
03-30-2018, 14:34
Guess I may as well add to this from the whole Ingraham issue:
Hulu
Nestle
Johnson & Johnson
Office Depot
Jenny Craig
Stitch Fix
Wayfair
TripAdvisor
Expedia
The Atlantis Paradise Island Resort
Nutrish
Source: https://hotair.com/archives/2018/03/30/least-11-advertisers-now-boycotting-ingrahams-show-despite-apology-david-hogg/
Ugh, damn office depot was the ones who hooked me up on certs for the ccw class......damn now I have to find a new format.
Canceled Netflix yesterday after it was announced they hired Susan Rice, I told them that’s the reason when they asked. Maybe feeble but I was watching too much anyway.
RblDiver
05-02-2018, 06:58
Looks like Vista Outdoor has decided that they make more money on Camelbak etc than their ammunition business. https://bearingarms.com/micah-r/2018/05/01/another-company-caves-gun-control-mob-stops-gun-manufacturing/
Great-Kazoo
05-02-2018, 07:20
Ugh, damn office depot was the ones who hooked me up on certs for the ccw class......damn now I have to find a new format.
You can do it at home with a few different templates. Or just copy the one you have.
Banks thought they had a win with guns. Now they've got a big GOP headache (https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/banks-thought-they-had-a-win-with-guns-now-theyve-got-a-big-gop-headache/ar-AAwJoEF)
How Citigroup and Bank of America shot themselves in the foot with D.C. Republicans.
On April 24 a handful of Citigroup Inc. executives went to the Securities and Exchange Commission for what they thought would be a routine meeting about a boring but key part of their business: derivatives regulation. Instead, they got a stern lecture on guns. A month earlier, in the aftermath of the school shooting in Parkland, Fla., Citigroup had announced it would curtail some of the business it does with companies that sell firearms. That didn’t go over well with Michael Piwowar, one of three Republican appointees on the five-member SEC.
Shortly after the Citigroup executives arrived at his office, Piwowar, according to people familiar with the matter, began castigating them for straying into social policy. Glowering and speaking emphatically, he reminded them that Citigroup was given billions in government bailout money after the financial crisis. In what some of the executives took as a thinly veiled threat, Piwowar said he knew Citigroup wanted the SEC to ease regulations on derivatives and proprietary trading, and suggested they might have trouble finding the votes on the Republican-led commission.
The episode illustrates how fraught the gun issue has become for companies in Washington. Bank of America Corp. has faced similar blowback from GOP lawmakers for announcing it would no longer provide financing to companies that manufacture military-style guns for civilians. What started as an attempt by the two banks to respond to recent mass shootings, and maybe earn some goodwill from the public, has instead turned into a political headache.
Senate Banking Committee Chairman Mike Crapo, who worked with Piwowar when the commissioner was a Senate staffer, wrote letters to the chief executive officers of Citi and Bank of America, scolding them for using their “market power to manage social policy.” And a group of House members asked the General Services Administration to cancel a contract with Citi. “This flagrant disregard for American citizens and their God-given Second Amendment rights cannot be tolerated,” Representative Todd Rokita, a Republican from Indiana who helped lead the effort, said in a statement.
Good.
Banks thought they had a win with guns. Now they've got a big GOP headache (https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/banks-thought-they-had-a-win-with-guns-now-theyve-got-a-big-gop-headache/ar-AAwJoEF)
Good.
LOL, I guess I am about hour late to posting the article (other thread). :D
RblDiver
09-05-2018, 10:22
Levis are jumping into the game. https://hotair.com/archives/2018/09/05/now-levi-strauss-moved-gun-control-game/
UrbanWolf
09-05-2018, 11:54
Levis are jumping into the game. https://hotair.com/archives/2018/09/05/now-levi-strauss-moved-gun-control-game/
Fuck, now I gotta go commando for a good reason?
I thought Levi's was already there...
Not a conservative bunch.
You think parents were the ones to actually sign those papers? Who would call them up to check? [Not that I suspect numbers are all that high] Kids have been forging parents signatures since the advent of signing charcoal on cave walls.
How else you gonna make that field trip you forgot to give the permission slip to your parents....
Honey Badger282.8
09-06-2018, 08:32
I thought Levi's was already there...
Not a conservative bunch.
Yep. They asked customers to not bring guns to their stores several years ago. Regardless, Wrangler has always been superior.
...and a company NOT caving:
https://koaa.com/news/2018/09/05/prime-time-sports-to-stop-carrying-nike-gear-after-sale/
He's dumping all his Nike gear at cost and won't carry it anymore.
O2
BPTactical
09-06-2018, 11:21
Yep. They asked customers to not bring guns to their stores several years ago. Regardless, Wrangler has always been superior.
Carrhart for the win
RblDiver
03-22-2019, 11:01
Figure it's better to resurrect this one than start a new one, but apparently Sam Adams is now diving into the political arena by naming a beer for RBG.
https://hotair.com/archives/2019/03/22/sam-adams-beer-names-new-brew-ruth-bader-ginsburg/
kidicarus13
03-22-2019, 11:34
Figure it's better to resurrect this one than start a new one, but apparently Sam Adams is now diving into the political arena by naming a beer for RBG.
https://hotair.com/archives/2019/03/22/sam-adams-beer-names-new-brew-ruth-bader-ginsburg/Salty, flat, and tastes like shoe leather. No Born On Date listed but expires soon.
I feel like there are enough things to be out raged about, yet some people seem to go out of their way to find something new. Got to get those clicks I guess.
Aloha_Shooter
04-06-2019, 11:38
Dick's reporting they lost $150M in sales last year
https://www.foxnews.com/us/dicks-sporting-goods-reports-150-million-in-lost-sales-after-halting-assault-weapons-sales
Dick's Sporting Goods pulls assault-style rifles from stores
Dick?s Sporting Goods? bottom line took a very big hit after halting the sale of assault-style weapons in response to the Parkland school massacre.
The policy change cost the nation?s largest sporting goods retailer about $150 million in lost sales, about 1.7 percent of annual revenue, Bloomberg News reported Friday.
But boss Ed Stack isn?t complaining.
?The system does not work,? Stack said, according to the news outlet. ?It?s important that when you know there?s something that?s not working, and it?s to the detriment of the public, you have to stand up.?
Hope the Board claws back every bonus paid to Stack for the past decade to offset their losses.
Dick's reporting they lost $150M in sales last year
https://www.foxnews.com/us/dicks-sporting-goods-reports-150-million-in-lost-sales-after-halting-assault-weapons-sales
Hope the Board claws back every bonus paid to Stack for the past decade to offset their losses.
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/171635-Stevie-Wonder-could-have-seen-this-coming/page4?highlight=dick%27s+sporting+goods
Aloha_Shooter
04-08-2019, 10:14
https://people.com/style/patagonia-refusing-sell-power-vests-financial-firms/
Now Patagonia doesn't want to cobrand their vests with finance firms, just "B" corporations that are interested in organic ecological "stuff" ...
I found this refreshing...
JPMorgan's Jamie Dimon grilled on guns in Congress, defends bank policy (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/jp-morgans-jamie-dimon-grilled-on-guns-in-congress-defends-policy-155646504.html)
JPMorgan Chase's (JPM) CEO Jamie Dimon came under intense questioning on Wednesday over the bank's relationships with gunmakers, and was asked if he’d consider implementing a formal policy limiting that business — as some of his peers have.
During a House Financial Services Committee hearing with 7 of the most prominent U.S. bank CEOs on Wednesday, Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-NY) publicly thanked Citigroup (C) and Bank of America (BAC) for "[stepping] up to the plate" by adopting formal policies limiting business with certain gun industry clients following the Parkland school shooting.
However, Maloney’s tone shifted when she directed her questions to Dimon. The congresswoman referenced Dimon's widely read annual letter released last week in which he wrote about JPMorgan having to sometimes turn down clients “with low character” as a way to be a “responsible” bank.
Maloney used excerpts of the letter to grill Dimon, saying that "actions speak louder than words on guns...[and] from what I can tell, these are just words to you."
When pressed on the idea of the bank adopting a formal policy like Citigroup and Bank of America with the gun industry, Dimon said they "can certainly consider that.”
Gun manufacturers have come under withering public scrutiny and legal challenges amid a spate of mass shootings in the U.S.
Yet Dimon said on Wednesday that "everything we do with clients goes through a severe process of review, repetitional risk, etc. We have very small relationships with gun manufacturers.”
Defending the industry, Dimon stated that “they are the same gun manufacturers that make military equipment for the United States military and for the United States police force, which we hold in the highest regards."
He added not only does the firm conduct a thorough review of retailers selling firearms, but the ATF also audits these businesses and they are regulated by the state and federal government.
"If we think they are doing something wrong, our risk committee stops doing business with them," Dimon said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/21/us/politics/barack-obama-netflix-show.html
I remember when news of that first came out and people were pissed. I even have a friend who doesn't have Netflix and this was one of the reasons he cited for it. I can't imagine why anyone would care. Media producers are plenty capable of producing content people don't like or agree with, without having been a past politician.
My first pair of Mizunos arrived this week after my Nikes wore out. Had one run in them and after getting comfortable in them, I think they are superior to the Nikes I've been buying since age 13. I'm patient and not picky on color, so I saved a bit over a pair of Nike running shoes, but otherwise prices are comparable.
Sizing matched exactly for me. They are slightly heavier but give a lot more support.
Wife will follow suit when her Nike running shoes wear out now that I checked them out.
Oldest kiddo has been wanting Adidas for school. I guess this is the cool thing now?
We probably bought six-ish pairs of Nikes a year in this house. Now we are down to 0.
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