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A coworker keeps saying this. What do you say to people who go on on and about not "needing" an assault rifle?
Anything beyond Maslow's heirarchy of needs is a want.
beast556
03-01-2018, 15:42
I tell them to fuck off. Nothing you say is going to change there mind.
Try this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6o-xjOhnIs
DenverGP
03-01-2018, 15:54
A coworker keeps saying this. What do you say to people who go on on and about not "needing" an assault rifle?
"And no one needs a whiny little bitch, yet here you are"
If it's someone that I think actually has a brain and would listen to reason (unlikely) then I'd simply explain how it's no different than any other semi-auto rifle out there (along with pictures of the child-friendly mini-14 in a wood stock).
Great-Kazoo
03-01-2018, 15:55
Well if i'm being assaulted i'm going to use a weapon, to fight back. You know what, fuk him. IMO you should record his conversation, then go to HR. The left want's to play games, they're not going to like the outcome.
A coworker keeps saying this. What do you say to people who go on on and about not "needing" an assault rifle?
Ask them to define what comprises an "assault rifle"? Their understanding is probably different than the reality. Assault rifles fall under "machine guns" which are highly regulated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle
They're probably looking for the made-up term "assault weapon" which is based purely on cosmetic features. Why should cosmetics be the basis for rational decision making?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon
BPTactical
03-01-2018, 16:06
Try this:
Our Second Amendment is not based on "need".
Nobody "needs" a computer.
Nobody "needs" a 800HP Corvette.
Nobody "needs" a 5000 sq ft house.
Now fuck off!
Pictures of people who didn't need an assault rifle...
https://d10vk5dg0puvhi.cloudfront.net/images/guides/origin/57072d2985462.jpg
Try this:
Our Second Amendment is not based on "need".
Nobody "needs" a computer.
Nobody "needs" a 800HP Corvette.
Nobody "needs" a 5000 sq ft house.
Now fuck off!
There ya have it.
Who the hell are they to tell us what we want or need?
Take his pencil. If he objects, tell him he doesn't need it and you have removed it for the safety of him and those around him. If he asks how he's in danger from a pencil, stab him with the pencil.
Don't do any of what I just suggested.
hurley842002
03-01-2018, 16:58
Take his pencil. If he objects, tell him he doesn't need it and you have removed it for the safety of him and those around him. If he asks how he's in danger from a pencil, stab him with the pencil.
Don't do any of what I just suggested.FTW!
Zundfolge
03-01-2018, 17:13
Its the "Bill of Rights" not the "Bill of Needs".
All you "need" is a gallon of water, about 2000 calories and 200-400 liters of air per day. You saying its ok to ban anything and everything else?
Using "need" as a guideline means rights are irrelevant.
So "fuck you!" and a punch in the nose is what is actually deserved in response to the "needs" argument (thankfully we're all above that).
Only if Utopia existed, could the need for modern weaponry be eliminated.
Luke 22:36, He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one."
When Christ tells his disciples to buy a Sword, well, that seals the deal for me.
mattiooo
03-01-2018, 17:40
Take his pencil. If he objects, tell him he doesn't need it and you have removed it for the safety of him and those around him. If he asks how he's in danger from a pencil, stab him with the pencil.
Don't do any of what I just suggested.
https://i.imgflip.com/1dd98i.jpg
Lots of great examples mentioned above.
Only thing people really "need" to survive are:
Water
Enough calorie of food to survive a meal
Sleeping bag and a cave.
Heck, peoplebactually do not need money nor job either to survive.
Minimalist may not need money, lighter, tent, extra underwear, and modern sporting rifles. I am not minimalist so, I do need everything including msr.
spqrzilla
03-01-2018, 18:01
Yes, I do. To shoot people who said I didn't need it.
He probably has an iphone. Take it from him and smash it. When he complains tell him to just use the land line. Nobody needs a cell phone.
Then punch him in his Adam's apple as hard as you can just for being a whiny little cork soaker.
This is such an insulting question, isn't it?
I've dealt with this question in several ways, depending on my association with the person asking, and the manner in which they ask it.
For those that I must work with on a daily basis, and/or are in a position of supervision: I merely suggest they acquaint themselves with the 2nd Amendment because it answers their question, and I leave it at that.
For co-workers or colleagues that I enjoy debating with: I demand their definition of "assault rifle"; I demand them to gve me a compelling reason why I shouldn't have one, if I want one (and any other legal item); I then demand they justify them having an item (nobody needs an Audi/Pit Bull/ounce of marijuana/beer/set of chef's knives/etc."
For colleagues/co-workers I respect, I simply disagree politely, and suggest when they can approach me with less aggression, we can talk about it. That usually confuses them and they drop it.
For people whose existence I must endure, I stare at them for ten seconds longer than is comfortable for them, sneer slightly and say, "Do I get to determine what you need? Are we in Soviet Russia?"
GeorgeandSugar
03-01-2018, 18:25
Libtards are a bunch of control freaks who want to dictate to each of us as to what we need in every aspect of our lives. Whether they think I need a AR-15 or not, is none of their business. This assault on law abiding gun owners is becoming tiresome. The harder they push, the harder I am going to push back.
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I barely even responded. I basically said we'll have to agree to disagree. If it wasn't a co-worker I still don't even know if it's worth it to respond at this point. I've realized that if someone has been watching too much CNN it's not even worth my breath. I actually intended to debate it when I first posted but now I've decided not to bother. From now on....
person 1: no one needs an ar15
me: welp big gulps, see ya later
wctriumph
03-01-2018, 18:41
I tell them, "because utopia is only another few executions away". If the discussion goes beyond that I tell them about the 100,000,000 + people killed in the last century by their benevolent governments after be disarmed because the government will take care of them. Then I leave them dumbfounded because they're complete idiots. Even on Facebook they don't argue back against that.
Bailey Guns
03-01-2018, 19:21
The Grey nailed it. It's a very insulting and offensive question. It irritates me to no end.
I always get very defensive and aggressive (not physically...but I speak louder and try to invade their space) with people who ask this, especially in that holier-than-thou, sanctimonious way that it's usually asked. Defensive and aggressive is SOP when I have to deal with stupid people. And, make no mistake, if they're asking this they're stupid. I usually try to mention that, too.
So, let's apply that whole "needs" standard to all of our other God-given rights and to everything else we typically have for possessions. If that's the standard we're going to use for the 2A then that's the standard we're going to use for everything else. Especially when you consider there are many commonly owned items that kill more people every year than "assault rifles". I doubt they even make the top 10...maybe, but they'll be down on the list. Explain to them they really need to start applying some critical thinking skills and learn to problem solve for themselves. I like to really turn the progressive tactics against them and get just as snarky and smarmy as the typical progressive is. The aggressive attitude also serves to either cause them to leave me alone forever or, less often, frighten them into actually listening.
I really, really despise progressive thought and attitudes but I will try to occasionally bring one around if they're at least respectful and coma across as open-minded.
Zundfolge
03-01-2018, 20:01
If it wasn't a co-worker I still don't even know if it's worth it to respond at this point.
If you don't work at an openly right wing company, stop talking to this idiot any more than is absolutely necessary to do your job.
hollohas
03-01-2018, 20:38
Our Founders may or may not have tar and feathered a few folks who claimed we didn't need to be independent from England to set an example. Just saying.
If you don't work at an openly right wing company, stop talking to this idiot any more than is absolutely necessary to do your job.Absolutely agree with this statement.....its like banging your head against a brick wall. No point to it and you end up with a really bad headache.
If you aren't funding, feeding, or f**king me, you don't get a vote on what my "needs" are. As it stands, that settles out to one person in this whole world who gets a vote on what my needs are.
Grant H.
03-01-2018, 21:24
Well worth watching, and sharing...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DYeYkJkqgs
Whatever you do, just don't respond with a pussy sellout answer. Example: "I know I don't need a bike/car this powerful, but the extra horsepower makes me feel confident that I can get out of a situation if I ever need to use it."
I've heard/read that soooooo many times in forums about modding cars/bikes, and it had always driven me crazy.
For co-workers or colleagues that I enjoy debating with: I demand their definition of "assault rifle"; I demand them to gve me a compelling reason why I shouldn't have one, if I want one (and any other legal item); I then demand they justify them having an item (nobody needs an Audi/Pit Bull/ounce of marijuana/beer/set of chef's knives/etc."
Got to be careful with threads like this. I was reading this out loud and my Amazon Alexis heard me and now I'm going to have a pretty sweet delivery, guaranteed by Tuesday.
Also, when dealing with co-workers, I thought the agreed upon response was to loudly reply, "It's just my colostomy bag!" and then just walk away.
Got to be careful with threads like this. I was reading this out loud and my Amazon Alexis heard me and now I'm going to have a pretty sweet delivery, guaranteed by Tuesday.
Get a Prime membership and you'd have it sooner.
Get a Prime membership and you'd have it sooner.
Sounds like that is prime, since I ordered some Prime stuff at like 7am and it is arriving Monday.
How DARE you assume I don't have a Prime membership. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that I NEED it.
[ROFL2]
Stu, you almost made me ruin my keyboard. I've got to remember to not drink anything when I'm reading these threads.
I ask them if their wife needs that 12” dildo that has a 8” circumference....
GilpinGuy
03-02-2018, 02:31
I had a guy ask me, "Why does anyone need more than one gun anyway?" I said, "You don't know much about guns, do you?"
His answer: "No, and I don't want to."
Conversation over.
“ Need? Need? What I need is a select fire M4A1 USSOCOM URG-I with the following few attachments and accessories:
BE-Meyers MAWL
Knights Armament QDC-CQB Can
Vortex 1-6X Gen 2 Optic in a Geissele 1.93” Mount
M50 gas mask
Ops Core Maritime Helmet
PVS 31 Dual Tube NVG’s
Surefire M600 1500 Lumen WML
H&K M320 Grenade Launcher
A Carl Gustav 84mm Recoilless Rifle
2 x FN M240 Machine Guns
A 6x6 MRAP
Along with
A lifetime supply of :
CR123A batteries,
70gr Barnes TSX 5.56 ammo,
Belted 7.62 NATO,
40mm HEDP,
84mm Carl Gustav rounds,
JP8 fuel,
Satellite Phones, Walkie Talkies, and Burner Phones,
MRE’s and Water,
And a whole lot less idiots like you”
........
“But I’d settle for you never reproducing and my AR15 at my house.”
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Jeffrey Lebowski
03-02-2018, 07:11
I tell them, "because utopia is only another few executions away". If the discussion goes beyond that I tell them about the 100,000,000 + people killed in the last century by their benevolent governments after be disarmed because the government will take care of them. Then I leave them dumbfounded because they're complete idiots. Even on Facebook they don't argue back against that.
This is the example I tend to use. Are we so far away (temporally) from Nazi Germany that it is inconceivable that something like this could happen here? Same time, our own country was putting Japanese in internment camps. I had this conversation with my (old) boss, a former air-force colonel. He did think it was impossible to happen here. “You literally spent your career in places where this does still happen!”
You guys are hilarious. I'm really tempted to bring it back up again today, it's just such a bad idea though.
buffalobo
03-02-2018, 10:25
Response - To scare the ever loving shit out of fake Americans like you and the elitists you serve and worship in DC. Please refer to it as Liberty's Teeth in the future.
Now tell me why "you" don't need one. And show them the pic from Skip post.
If you're unarmed, you are a victim
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/03/01/las-vegas-shoot-school-kid-billboard/387938002/
Activists change a billboard in Vegas to say "Shoot a school kid only $29.99" I've seen a lot of instances of left wing politics were someone says something that is not popular, and the left portrays it as inciting violence. The recent thing with Dana Losche saying the NRA was "coming for them" in reference to some liberal agenda or whatever. Anyway, people freaked out and I keep reading articles and opinion pieces talking about the NRA's recent inciting of violence and then referring to that event. This is a better example of a group inciting violence and should be held to the same standard.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/03/01/las-vegas-shoot-school-kid-billboard/387938002/
Activists change a billboard in Vegas to say "Shoot a school kid only $29.99" I've seen a lot of instances of left wing politics were someone says something that is not popular, and the left portrays it as inciting violence. The recent thing with Dana Losche saying the NRA was "coming for them" in reference to some liberal agenda or whatever. Anyway, people freaked out and I keep reading articles and opinion pieces talking about the NRA's recent inciting of violence and then referring to that event. This is a better example of a group inciting violence and should be held to the same standard.
This deserves its own thread IMHO.
The challenge is that these cowards remain anonymous so they can't really be linked to any groups or held accountable for what they are saying/doing. I've seen the same on Loesch's Twitter feed... Multiple people threatening her life, her family, etc... The accounts either get nuked or set to private. But the message has been sent.
No so ironic that the people who message violence want us disarmed (history). It certainly doesn't support the mantra "no one needs an assault rifle" when folks are promising political violence.
Guns are to homicides
as
Tires are to vehicle accidents
Yes, you could stop both by eliminating or restricting access to the former but neither are the causes to the latter. Why not imprison every male between the age of 15 and 25? That sure would eliminate most homicides in the US. If all public schools were closed there would be no more school shootings.
The number of nonsensical arguments that can be made after any of these over publicized crimes is limitless. While people claim to want to have an "honest conversation" all they really seem to want to discuss is their own feelings and opinions.
I don't believe any problem is truly solvable until you can determine what is the cause of the problem. If some people keep coming to the conclusion that crimes are caused by tools, I have a problem taking them seriously and probably not worth having an "honest conversation" with.
Be safe.
Should be an easy question to answer.. 2 words
"Because Trump"
Only works on those crazy Trump hating libtards.
The real issue here is that the "You don't NEED xyz firearm" people really don't want to put in any effort to fix the root cause of the problem. They want the easy button fix and to them banning the tool used in the violence is the easiest solution where they don't have to do shit to deploy.
This lazy ass mentality isn't going to be changed by engaging in a logical discussion that is based on facts they don't want to hear. When I hear people talking about this stuff I just tune them out. Its not worth the effort to try to educate them on things they don't want to really know.
The underlying problem is the person. People are complicated and it's not polite to label people, including mentally broken ones. There's no way to tell what's in the hearts of men, so let's go after the tool.
Having a free society doesn't mean it's a risk free society.
ETA: I'm watching a program on the DVR called Air Disasters on Smithsonian Channel. This episode is about the March 24, 2015 Germanwings Flight 9525 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwings_Flight_9525) that was intentionally flown into the French Alps by the 1st Officer killing everyone onboard. There should have been a call to ban airplanes when that happened. After all, there are ships, trains, busses, and automobiles that can get people to their destination. Why does anyone "need" a passenger jet?
The Battle of Athens is a nice story about why armed citizens are important. Also a testament to why the WWII vet are the greatest generation. If people don't think guns in the hands of regular people is important, they are wrong. Longish read, but worth your time. Feel free to search other versions, but this one is decent.
https://www.americanheritage.com/content/battle-athens
GeorgeandSugar
03-03-2018, 08:27
Leftists or call them socialists or communists are intent on bring down America. Their process is to chip away at our values. Deceive, divide and destroy. Read the Naked Communists. It details their approach and how they plan to achieve their goals. Look at what is happening in CA. That is their example of what they think America ought to look like. No thanks! Defeat them at the polls.
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Great-Kazoo
03-03-2018, 08:33
Leftists or call them socialists or communists are intent on bring down America. Their process is to chip away at our values. Deceive, divide and destroy. Read the Naked Communists. It details their approach and how they plan to achieve their goals. Look at what Happened in CA. That is their example of what they think America ought to look like. No thanks! Defeat them at the polls.
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BPTactical
03-03-2018, 08:39
Fuck the "nice guy" responses.
I am sick and tired of playing nice with these fucks, got over it years ago.
Realize this- they are of the ilk that would love to see us loaded on cattle cars and shuttled away never to be seen again.
They want to destroy us.
Period.
I will not have a "civilized" discussion with you when it comes to my Rights regardless of what they are. They are not granted by "man" and you have no place questioning my Rights.
Fuck you.
Fuck the "nice guy" responses.
I am sick and tired of playing nice with these fucks, got over it years ago.
Realize this- they are of the ilk that would love to see us loaded on cattle cars and shuttled away never to be seen again.
They want to destroy us.
Period.
I will not have a "civilized" discussion with you when it comes to my Rights regardless of what they are. They are not granted by "man" and you have no place questioning my Rights.
This is why I have the John Adams quote in my sig. This is a tactic that's been used forever, playing on emotions to get what you want. They won't come out and say what their true intentions are.
[snip]
They won't come out and say what their true intentions are.
Very true! Sometimes they slip up...
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