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BushMasterBoy
03-07-2018, 20:05
A man and his daughter went out to eat and a bar. Somewhere along the way, they were poisoned with the nerve agent "VX". A police officer responded to the two passed out on a park bench, and he too was poisoned. Now all three are in an intensive care ward of a hospital.
The above events happened in Salisbury, England recently.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43323847
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VX_(nerve_agent)
CoGirl303
03-07-2018, 20:14
holy crap. That's like the stuff in the movie "The Rock" right?
Great-Kazoo
03-07-2018, 20:15
I'll keep that in mind next walk around the Thames. What ever one used in an attack. When the reaper calls your roulette number, it's time to go.
mattiooo
03-07-2018, 20:25
Where have they published the nerve agent that was used? Been following but haven't seen it.
Doesn't pay to be a spy, sometimes. Even a former spy.
hollohas
03-07-2018, 20:46
I don't think the fact he was a Russian spy is a coincidence. Pretty sure the rest of us, even those in England, dont need to worry too much about vx exposure.
It's a good thing they have such strict gun and knife laws.
https://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/UKBinThatKnife.jpg
Maybe they should put up nerve gas bins to get that stuff off the streets?
BushMasterBoy
03-07-2018, 20:48
Pravda reported it was fentanyl. I suspected an herbicide/pesticide. Could be a custom designer nerve agent. I really doubt it is though. Russian special forces have been suffering a few aviation disasters lately. VX is a favorite of former Com-bloc countries. You definitely need a gas mask and gloves to approach a victim of this stuff. Just figured I would post since this could happen here in Colorado. Don't ask me when I was last in Salisbury.
cmailliard
03-08-2018, 07:54
VX is typically a binary nerve agent. It was discovered in the 50's by the British. It is similar to Tabun (GA), Sarin (GB), and Soman (GD). It is basically an organophosphate pesticide that has been weaponized. Organophosphate Pesticides include Malathion, Parathion, Diazinon and others. These are still used in agriculture, you can go to Murdocks and find Malathion. Nerve Agents affect the cholinergic side of the Central Nervous System (the Parasympathetic side). They work by inhibiting Acetylcholinesterase between the nerve and muscle. This inhibition allows constant stimulation of the muscle and leads to the acronym of symptoms (SLUDGE-M):
Salivation
Lacrimation
Urination
Defication
GI Pain
Emisis
Miosis
Most people die from respiratory causes related to paralysis of the diaphragm. Miosis (pinpoint pupils) is the most revealing sign of nerve agent toxicity, but also the most common (like 90% of victims in Tokyo had miosis). There have been plenty of videos from Syria where Sarin has been used quite a few times that show these signs and symptoms. High exposures will lead to seizures and death. Treatment for Nerve Agents, including VX, is pretty straight forward and pretty simple. Airway Management and Ventilation. Atropine is an Anti-Cholinergic that reduces the effect of the Nerve Agent. Pralidoxime Chloride (2-PAM) removes the nerve agent from the Acetylcholinesterase allowing it to work properly and symptoms are relieved pretty quick. EMS carries Atropine (usually not enough for Nerve Agents or Organophosphates though). Hospitals have Atropine and 2-PAM as well. Most hospitals also have a stockpile of at least 30-60 DuoDote kits (Atropine and 2-PAM in an Autoinjector). There are also things called ChemPacks that have large quantities of these antidotes. There are a handful of Chempacks along the Front Range.
PPE for nerve agents include an Air Purifying Respirator or Powered Air Purifying Respirator with an Organic Vapor Canister, Chemical Protective Clothing (CPF3 or similar fabric), Gloves, Boots, etc. Decon must be done with patients and yourself. VX is a very persistent agent, meaning it has low volatility, it will stick around awhile and not evaporate. It is like motor oil. It takes a lot to get it off of your skin (soap or shampoo).
If anyone is interested in a class let me know, we will go into much more detail on chemical weapons as well as other WMD's, put you in PPE, play with some radioactive sources and more.
BPTactical
03-08-2018, 08:21
Gonna go on a limb and say it was a planned hit
Great-Kazoo
03-08-2018, 08:38
Gonna go on a limb and say it was a planned hit
IN Roosha vx work for you
Martinjmpr
03-08-2018, 08:42
It's a good thing they have such strict gun and knife laws.
https://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/UKBinThatKnife.jpg
Maybe they should put up nerve gas bins to get that stuff off the streets?
Some slogans write themselves:
"Don't Be An Ass/Dump That Gas!" [ROFL1]
hollohas
03-08-2018, 15:32
Sounds like there are at least 21 people being treating for exposure to a confirmed nerve agent.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/28009/breaking-uk-officials-say-dozens-are-being-treated-ryan-saavedra
spqrzilla
03-08-2018, 15:35
Putin has been feeling his oats recently.
Isn't that what Kim Jong Un used to eliminate his brother?
Not any man...
Was poisoning in retaliation to Trump 'dirty dossier'? Kremlin double agent 'was close to consultant employed by former MI6 spy Christopher Steele'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5476803/Kremlin-double-agent-close-Trump-dossier-firm-consultant.html
Sergei Skripal, who is fighting for his life in hospital after the incident on Sunday, is said to have been close to an unnamed intelligence expert who carried out work for independent security firm Orbis Business Intelligence.
Orbis was founded by former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele, who was behind a notorious and controversial dossier on Donald Trump, which claimed Moscow had compromising information on the US President.
hollohas
03-08-2018, 17:35
He was a Russian traitor who gave info to MI6. Russia has a long history of poisoning folks. It's much more likely Russia wanted him gone than it is this is someway involved with the unsubstantiated and BS "dossier".
BushMasterBoy
03-08-2018, 17:58
I read that a judge gave a porn star a gag order.
Great-Kazoo
03-08-2018, 18:01
I read that a judge gave a porn star a gag order.
It that what they call it when a judge gives it to a porn star, a "gag order"
He was a Russian traitor who gave info to MI6. Russia has a long history of poisoning folks. It's much more likely Russia wanted him gone than it is this is someway involved with the unsubstantiated and BS "dossier".
What would offer such a person the shortest life expectancy?
A.) Crossing Moscow
B.) Being able to testify against a Clinton
Zundfolge
03-08-2018, 18:56
A man and his daughter went out to eat and a bar. Somewhere along the way, they were poisoned with the nerve agent "VX".
"A man and his daughter?" Keep in mind that the man in question is a double agent working against the Russian FSB ... so its not just any random old "man and his daughter".
hollohas
03-08-2018, 19:17
What would offer such a person the shortest life expectancy?
A.) Crossing Moscow
B.) Being able to testify against a ClintonFair question and point taken. But I still think Russia is more likely here.
Fair question and point taken. But I still think Russia is more likely here.
I honesty wouldn’t know how to answer that. Maybe Putin is worse because he’ll live longer? I don’t know...
Some people recover from Russian nerve agent hits, but no one ever recovers from their suicide after crossing the Clintons.
BushMasterBoy
03-09-2018, 11:13
Don't kill me, I am Americanski!
Some people recover from Russian nerve agent hits, but no one ever recovers from their suicide after crossing the Clintons.
LIKE
I guess I'd take my chances with VX over shooting myself, in the back of the head, with a revolver, twice.
But then I'm not guaranteed Putin would use VX...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko
And the trails are fascinating. Everywhere the assassins went was hot. Even the dishes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko#Polonium_trails
Everything that he touched at home during the next three days was contaminated. His family was unable to return to the house even six months later
hollohas
03-09-2018, 12:23
Sounds like Mr Double Agent was busted out of a Russian prison as part of a spy swap with the US in 2010. There is no way he didn't start working for the US too at that point.
Too many coincidences here...
This guy's card was punched at every end. Sounds like he was a liability to many.
BushMasterBoy
03-09-2018, 13:47
Ok, so I did a lil net sleuthing. Turns out, if you have QL , the main ingredient, all you have to do is add sulfur. So I am betting that whoever did this had the two chemicals separate while transporting. Latest news is that the victims were poisoned in his private residence.
https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/02/27/how-make-vx-without-killing-yourself-dont-try-home-10908
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QL_(chemical)
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Imho, If the gov't ever asks you to to do any work inside Russia for a length of time, strongly consider quitting.
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The closest I ever plan on getting to Russia is vodka.
If I were single... [Dunno]
Siberia in the summer isn't that bad...like Alaska with pollution, crazy drivers, and more alcohol than you could ever imagine. But it only lasts one month so then you can just go back to brutal cold and even more drinking through the rest of the year. [Coffee]
A plot to poison a spy on the Thames.....sounds like Shakespeare. Book'm, Dan-o !!
BushMasterBoy
03-12-2018, 17:31
I admit I was wrong. It was not VX. It was Novichok A230. Novichok means "new comer" in Russian. Custom made nerve agent made to appear innocuous to inspectors.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43377698
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