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kidicarus13
03-17-2018, 09:29
http://abcnews.go.com/US/walmart-employee-turns-man-charged-possessing-weapons-cache/story?id=53816017
BushMasterBoy
03-17-2018, 10:03
The girl friend...
http://www.daily-sun.com/post/294112/Daughter-pleads-guilty-to-helping-father-kill-mother
wctriumph
03-17-2018, 10:27
It must be something in the water/ processed food chain that is making people lose their minds.
I guess they found a nutty guy? Maybe. But what is strange about his purchases. I've had trips to Home Depot that I think look suspect. As in "hope no one I know dies this week, I'll have some explaining to do."
OtterbatHellcat
03-17-2018, 22:13
Thank goodness for the Mental Hygiene law.
Everyone is safe now.
One of the first signs of mental illness is voluntarily talking to the police, voluntarily allowing them to search your residence, or cooperating with the FBI. [LOL]
I have no idea whether the individual arrested is, was, or could be a danger to himself or others, but just based on this story, it sounds like due process is being served. We can't have it both ways by saying that no new laws should be made until the existing laws are enforced and then getting upset when the existing laws are enforced. It just may be possible that the tip that led to the investigation and arrest stopped a future crime. It is also possible that the police resources dedicated to this investigation and arrest prevent the police from deterring another, more significant crime. We deal with the information we have not with what we might get or would like to have.
The news story that never gets as much ink or air as the mass murder is the fortunate tip, investigation, and arrest that prevents a possible mass murder.
I keep waiting for some cashier to make a comment about a weird selection of things.
If they say anything to that effect, my reply will be, “Have you not read the prophecy?”
CoGirl303
03-17-2018, 22:52
According to the criminal complaint, a Walmart employee in Ithaca, New York, called police after Reynolds allegedly purchased ammunition, camping gear, drill bits, tools, hacksaw blades and knives with a gift card.
since when is any of that fucking probable cause to search someone's apartment?!?!? [emoji35]
let alone anyone's business or place to report someone.
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Somebody bought the Kool-Aid for Jim Jones. Imagine if the cashier had reported the sale of a large quantity of Kool-Aid and a bottle of cyanide.
Most police work is like the Price is Right. The officer who acts correctly without over reacting is doing the job. Get twenty runs per shift and you get twenty opportunities to be a hero or be a goat. Nobody gets them all right and you never know which one will be the run that takes your career away.
since when is any of that fucking probable cause to search someone's apartment?!?!? [emoji35]
let alone anyone's business or place to report someone.
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It isn't probable cause and perhaps you missed the part of the story where a co-inhabitant of the apartment provided a consent to search the residence.
Anyone can report anything they would like to the police. Perhaps if one or possibly two of the 39+ people who called the Broward County Sheriff's Office about the Parkland, FL murderer been taken seriously a few more children would not have been shot. I guess we will never know.
I keep waiting for some cashier to make a comment about a weird selection of things.
If they say anything to that effect, my reply will be, “Have you not read the prophecy?”
I had that opportunity once when I bought a single DVD (chick flick I think) and a single bottle of KY-Jelly at a Wal-Mart. I checked out in the electronics section. Neither purchase was for me by the way.
GilpinGuy
03-18-2018, 02:33
The authorities also found a bulletproof vest, gas mask and saw knives lying out in the open
This sealed it for me. Total psycho, obviously.
Great-Kazoo
03-18-2018, 07:29
This sealed it for me. Total psycho, obviously.
Actually the real issue is this person's way of thinking.
allison k
I strongly recommend reporting ANY person who stockpiles guns and ammo in large quantities. Let law enforcement sort things out - maybe they'll find something illegal, maybe they won't, but you'll create some headaches for the gun owner.
If i were to subscribe to her way of thinking. I'd be calling CPS and LE every time i saw a mother (or other guardian) let a child wander unattended, in a playground OR as she/he/it walk away from their shopping cart at the store.
Can't be too careful with these child abductions happening.
THINK OF THE CHILDREN
Great-Kazoo
03-18-2018, 07:34
I keep waiting for some cashier to make a comment about a weird selection of things.
If they say anything to that effect, my reply will be, “Have you not read the prophecy?”
Go ahead and say it. Then get back with us after the LE questioning. In today's society, the wrong person takes something out of context, there may be be LE contact.
73922
I keep waiting for some cashier to make a comment about a weird selection of things.
If they say anything to that effect, my reply will be, “Have you not read the prophecy?” "May I have ten thousand marbles please?"
OtterbatHellcat
03-18-2018, 08:46
73922 "May I have ten thousand marbles please?"
Ahh.....Flounder.
CoGirl303
03-18-2018, 08:57
It isn't probable cause and perhaps you missed the part of the story where a co-inhabitant of the apartment provided a consent to search the residence.
Anyone can report anything they would like to the police.
No, I didn't miss it.
When this was phoned in, the response should have been so what? That's not illegal. Buying all of those things are completely legal.
It shouldn't have even warranted a knock on the door or a follow up.
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GilpinGuy
03-18-2018, 11:12
No, I didn't miss it.
When this was phoned in, the response should have been so what? That's not illegal. Buying all of those things are completely legal.
It shouldn't have even warranted a knock on the door or a follow up.
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Yeah, you missed it. Am I blocked? [LOL]
CoGirl303
03-18-2018, 11:14
Yeah, you missed it. Am I blocked? [LOL]
no.
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GilpinGuy
03-18-2018, 11:18
Actually the real issue is this person's way of thinking.
allison k
I strongly recommend reporting ANY person who stockpiles guns and ammo in large quantities. Let law enforcement sort things out - maybe they'll find something illegal, maybe they won't, but you'll create some headaches for the gun owner.
If i were to subscribe to her way of thinking. I'd be calling CPS and LE every time i saw a mother (or other guardian) let a child wander unattended, in a playground OR as she/he/it walk away from their shopping cart at the store.
Can't be too careful with these child abductions happening.
THINK OF THE CHILDREN
Obviously, I was joking, but your point is solid.
"Let law enforcement sort things out - maybe they'll find something illegal, maybe they won't"
Sheesh.
GilpinGuy
03-18-2018, 11:21
no.
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OK, good. [Beer]
Based on some of the details of the story, or the lack thereof, it's hard for me to care about this event. The guy was clearly a nutter, with prior history. The story presents itself as a 911 call for buying stuff... yet,
I have a hard time believing he was composed, presentable, and normal when buying this stuff, and not ranting on about how the FBI was following him and how he needed to go buy some chemicals to make flash bangs in case he needed to evacuate, he runs an underground radio station and has secret knowledge about the government, and oh yeah he invented the F-14 tomcat and the 1911 pistol.
If the women called 911 every time a customer bought what he did {and for no other reason}, wal-mart would have to terminate her inside of a week and LEO would get tired of responding. Her comment, if true, would be outrageous, but again, she wouldn't have called if that was the only reason or Walmart would be flipping it's shit.
{Side note: I used to own a firearm store, the demonstrative example above is not fictitious}
GASP I called 911 on people that had came into my store from time to time too - for a few vastly different reasons. Mostly with them being physically f'ed up, drugs, weird medical behavior, etc. Like the guy that left and got in three quite different unlocked white cars, unable to figure out which car he drove there with. Or the one that the VA had prescribed some shit to that had an adverse reaction and was in a quite demented state. (Basically people that had no business driving)
I'm in agreement, I think there was more than just what was bought.
I'm in agreement, I think there was more than just what was bought.
Maybe he had beady eyes.
GilpinGuy
03-18-2018, 12:01
I'm in agreement, I think there was more than just what was bought.
I see this too. It's not like the clerks are alerted to "persons of interest" by PD before each shift and recognised this guy from a wanted poster. He must have been a real whack job at the register. Maybe a tragedy was deterred here.
As far as the chick letting in the cops....[facepalm]
Go ahead and say it. Then get back with us after the LE questioning. In today's society, the wrong person takes something out of context, there may be be LE contact.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sCBsB17PMc
73922 "May I have ten thousand marbles please?"
Obviously a home brewer who needs to raise head space in his carboys.
Do you want the people we are paying to just investigate crimes after they happen or would you like them to try to catch a few people before they actually kill someone? It takes hundreds of LE to secure and catalog crimes scenes involving multiple homicides. A few officers and detectives who are attentive and with a little experience can sometimes catch someone before they create that crime scene.
Sadly, we have police departments that have to be prepared for both scenarios.
A few other items that are perfectly legal:
Buying diesel fuel and fertilizer, renting box trucks, carrying box cutters, learning how to fly airplanes, buying one way airline tickets, buying all of the Sudafed in the pharmacy etc...
With a little training and some experience, some people get pretty good at observing things that are otherwise legal but in context are unusual. These people develop skills at talking to people and eliciting information that can clear or convict the speaker. Just like reading news stories, some of us are better than others at seeing what is in the story and knowing what is clearly missing from the story. I've spent my entire career believing that everyone I meet could kill me...but the vast majority of people don't want to kill me. I give everyone the benefit of the doubt. The day I get it wrong will be a very bad day for my family.
Be safe.
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