Should Oregon gun owners be worried?

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BELLEVUE, WA – The language of newly-filed Initiative 42 in Oregon has bared the true intent of gun control by requiring that so-called “assault weapons” be sold, surrendered, registered or removed from the state, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms said today.

The initiative, filed by a Portland-based “interfaith religious group” needs 88,000 signatures by July 6 to be placed on the November ballot in Oregon. Under the measure, if legal gun owners don’t turn in, dispose of or register their semi-auto rifles, they would face felony charges.

“The language in this initiative absolutely puts the lie to any and all claims by the gun control crowd that ‘nobody wants to take your guns’,” said CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb. “We’ve known the true intent of the anti-gun movement for decades, and we’ve been criticized as cranks and paranoids by condescending newspaper editorials and liberal pundits for being honest about it. The registration provision is deceptive, because history has demonstrated that registration will eventually allow the government to take those firearms or order their removal, like they did in New York City a few years ago.

“So now the true nature of the gun prohibition movement is out there for everyone to see,” he continued. “Being told to register, get rid of your guns or face felony charges is not ‘gun safety’ or ‘gun reform,’ it’s blatant demagoguery in the guise of public safety.

“What’s sad is that many Oregon voters will believe the beguiling sales pitches sure to come from signature gatherers and then gun ban advocates as they promote this measure,” Gottlieb stated. “Remember how prohibition worked so well against alcohol and illegal narcotics.”

The initiative language defines an “assault weapon” as any semi-auto rifle that can accept a detachable magazine that holds more than ten cartridges. It also affects semi-auto shotguns with pistol grip stocks, such as those used by many hunters.

“Gun owners across the country need to wake up to the insidious nature of the anti-gun movement,” Gottlieb said. “The gun control effort is no longer hiding its true intent, which is to ban guns, disarm law-abiding citizens and turn the Second Amendment into eraser dust.”

[NeedMoreAmmo]

I believe that such nonsense should worry us all. The left will continually throw crap like this up on the wall and eventually some might stick. That it is unconstitutional in its face is of no consequence to the libs.

It wasn't all too long ago that Senator Morse told us that we had whatever rights he felt like granting us. That is how the lib thinks.

Plan accordingly.

[Irving]

They should be less worried than if an actual politician had this drafted. It's some church group.

[CoGirl303]

these people have a mental illness.

Molon Lobe.

I'm fearful that this may soon become an active effort in Colorado with how far left the political climate is becoming here.




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[68Charger]

They should be less worried than if an actual politician had this drafted. It's some church group.

They should now be labelled as a "hate group", since they have civil rights violations in their agenda.

[izzy]

I was surprised to see they included pistols in that when I read it yesterday. This looks like a very extreme and arbitrary law. I'd be shocked if it passes.

[O2HeN2]

I'd be shocked if it passes.
As long as the media keeps calling it an "Assault weapon" ban I wouldn't be surprised at all. We're beyond the tipping point. The majority of voters are useful idiots (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot) driven by the mainstream media.

O2

[UrbanWolf]

A church getting all political? LoL, welcome to middle ages Europe.

[izzy]

A church getting all political? LoL, welcome to middle ages Europe.

Welcome to always

[CoGirl303]

what liberal loon drafted this steaming pile of [emoji90]?
He's not way out in left field....he's not even in the stadium parking lot.

http://katu.com/news/local/oregon-initiative-would-outlaw-assault-weapons-unless-guns-are-registered-with-police

Oregon initiative would outlaw assault weapons, unless guns are registered with police

The initiative defines an assault weapon as:

• A semiautomatic rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and has at least one of the following:

Any grip of the weapon, including a pistol grip, a thumbhole stork or any other stock
Any feature capable of functioning as a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand
A folding or telescoping stock
A shroud attached to the barrel, or that partially or completely encircles the barrel
A forward pistol grip
A flash suppressor, muzzle brake, muzzle compensator, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor, muzzle brake, or muzzle compensator
A bayonet mount or a grenade launcher or flare launcher
• A semiautomatic pistol, or any semiautomatic, centerfire or rimfire rifle with a fixed magazine, that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition.

• A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches

• A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and has at least one of the following:

Any feature capable of functioning as a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand
A folding, telescoping or thumbhole stock
A shroud attached to the barrel, or that partially or completely encircles the barrel
The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at any location outside of the pistol grip
A threaded barrel capable of accepting a flash suppressor or forward pistol grip
• Semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:

Any grip of the weapon, including a pistol grip, a thumbhole stock or any other stock
A folding telescoping stock
• Semiautomatic shotgun that has at least one of the following:

A fixed magazine capacity in excess of 10 rounds or an ability to accept a detachable magazine
• Shotgun with a revolving cylinder and conversion kit, part or combination of parts from which an assault weapon can be assembled if those parts are in the possession or under control of the same person.

A large capacity magazine is defined as any ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds or any conversion kit or combination or parts from which such a device can be assembled


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[Skip]

A church getting all political? LoL, welcome to middle ages Europe.

It's not a church. It's an “interfaith religious group” whatever the fuck that means. I see a Rabbi is one of the promoters. Research the others and you'll find of inconsistencies. The Lutheran pastor is ELCA.

They aren't Christians. And those who are paying attention know that once 2A is done so is Christianity in the US. There has been a mountain written about why Christians who support gun control are heretics. In fact, taking a pastor's temperature on gun control is good test for integrity.

https://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/news/politics/2018/03/21/oregon-initiative-would-ban-assault-rifles-require-owners-surrender-weapons/444530002/


"This got zero comment or help from anybody in Oregon's Democratic leadership," Post said. "The reason they're not supporting this is that they're not stupid. They know this would bring out the greatest red wave of votes in Oregon history."


Obviously I'm not saying this isn't a problem or should be ignored. Direct initiative gun control is one of the weakest ways to implement because people won't support it. Another reason I think there should be more state level initiatives and less professional lawmaking. Look at all the major infringements and you see what I mean.

[wctriumph]

Many, many years ago in CA there were initiatives placed on the ballot twice to ban handguns. The first vote was two to one against it, the second time was nearly three to one against. They backed away form it after that and the commies went underground and have been biting away ever since.

[CS1983]

“We recognize that there are perfectly legitimate uses of guns for self-protection and hunting that make a lot of sense,” said Rabbi Michael Z. Cahana of Congregation Beth Israel and one of petitioners.

“But assault weapons are not used for either of those purposes. Many of these weapons exist only for killing and do not belong in civilian hands.”

https://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/news/politics/2018/03/21/oregon-initiative-would-ban-assault-rifles-require-owners-surrender-weapons/444530002/

The Bielski brothers disagree.

Of all people, this moron should know WHY "assault" weapons are indeed needed.


The initiative was sparked by the recent spate of school shootings, said one of the petitioners, Pastor Mark Knutson of the Augustana Lutheran Church in Portland.

"Young people in this country are crying out," Knutson told the Associated Press. "This is the moment in time where we need to step alongside them as adults and do our part with them."

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What is your biggest challenge?

Discerning what the cutting edge issues of justice, peace, diversity, equity, reconciliation and inclusion are going to be and helping to position the church to be ready and relevant to be proactive with others as a voice of conscience and a movement in action always ready to step out in faith to do what is right.

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In the January 2012 issue of Portland Monthly magazine, Mark was named one of the 50 Most Influential Portlanders. The issue noted his “vigorous activism” against war and in favor of immigration reform and gay rights. His congregation shares his dedication to these and other social causes that put our Christian faith into action in our world.

https://augustana.org/pastor-mark-knutson/

Tells you all you need to know of the folks who put this together.

[68Charger]

It's not a church. It's an “interfaith religious group” whatever the fuck that means. I see a Rabbi is one of the promoters. Research the others and you'll find of inconsistencies. The Lutheran pastor is ELCA.


I was going to post this.. they're less of a church than the Westboro Baptists... (which is really just a hungry pack of shark lawyers posing as zealots)

And this:
Young people in this country are crying out," Knutson told the Associated Press. "This is the moment in time where we need to step alongside them as adults and do our part with them.

At least as many students who are "crying out" for something to be done, are those that support the 2nd and wouldn't want anything done to infringe on it. He doesn't speak for my kids, my town or my state for that matter.

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https://augustana.org/pastor-mark-knutson/

Tells you all you need to know of the folks who put this together.

How did you walk right past Lutheran and manage to only post that?!?

Are you feeling okay today? ;)

It is interesting to see the people who play fast and lose with scripture get further and further away from it. When they say "we're just putting a box around this heretical belief and that's it" don't believe them. Kind of like those liberal interpretations of the Constitution...

[CS1983]

On such issues like gun control, I approach it the way the Pro Life movement has approached things. I don't want to get into a game of identity politics but rather if the group itself has Biblical credibility and doesn't violate the most basic of principles -- it's not an issue which is primary to the Faith so therefore I must approach it as it is, be it secondary or tertiary. Since their moral compass is spinning like a bottle in a circle of sailors about to cross the equator, I could care less that they are Lutheran or even if they were Catholic. They're something far worse: indifferent to morality as traditionally held. I cannot work with that. I'm more apt to hang out with a right wing Buddhist than some left winger who believes the Jesus Christ Superstar claptrap.

[Skip]

On such issues like gun control, I approach it the way the Pro Life movement has approached things. I don't want to get into a game of identity politics but rather if the group itself has Biblical credibility and doesn't violate the most basic of principles -- it's not an issue which is primary to the Faith so therefore I must approach it as it is, be it secondary or tertiary. Since their moral compass is spinning like a bottle in a circle of sailors about to cross the equator, I could care less that they are Lutheran or even if they were Catholic. They're something far worse: indifferent to morality as traditionally held. I cannot work with that. I'm more apt to hang out with a right wing Buddhist than some left winger who believes the Jesus Christ Superstar claptrap.

That's a fair approach! I was mostly joking with you. :)

I believe the basic principal does have a Christian foundation if not mandate. Not saying everyone has to be Christian to believe in that principal.

[CS1983]

The principle is the right to self-defense, which is natural law. Even palm frond wearing pagans understand such concepts. It can be affirmed with a Christian understanding, and a proper understanding of passages like Romans 13 can clarify issues, but I would not say it's a revealed element or article of Faith.

[ray1970]

The United States represents about 7% of the total land mass of earth. I say if you don’t like the way things are here then instead of trying to change it you should just check out the other 93% until you find some place you’re happy.

[Gman]

The United States represents about 7% of the total land mass of earth. I say if you don’t like the way things are here then instead of trying to change it you should just check out the other 93% until you find some place you’re happy.

LIKE!

Borders work both ways.

[Great-Kazoo]

The United States represents about 7% of the total land mass of earth. I say if you don’t like the way things are here then instead of trying to change it you should just check out the other 93% until you find some place you’re happy.

They better be strong swimmers. Imagine having to relocate on one of those fossil fuel, carbon squashing planes. UNLESS.................they hitch a ride with algore.
While the darling of eco terrorist worldwide, the public has "conveniently" forgotten what tipper gore championed for, last century