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I guess I'm the asshole who has to start this thread.
In case there are doubts what this is really about...
https://i.imgur.com/niwEcOI.jpg
(Sorry about making you see that face here)
Proof that incrementalism is very much the plan...
https://i.imgur.com/JNxMBNf.jpg
It's also looking like the same PussyHatter march from last year because a lot of the signs/messages are political. Again, Libs clearly messaging who they hate while demanding we give up the means to resist.
The leaders who bent their knee are being richly rewarded (as I posted in Politics)...
https://imgur.com/UGHIanv.jpg
https://imgur.com/T7SKskJ.jpg
A TON of money and resources are being throw at this from private individuals and public companies.
Jennifer Lopez, Jimmy Fallon, Lady Gaga Sponsor Buses to March for Our Lives
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/jennifer-lopez-jimmy-fallon-lady-gaga-sponsor-buses-march-lives-1097072
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_For_Our_Lives
Amal and George Clooney donated $500,000 to support the march and announced they would attend. Oprah Winfrey matched the Clooney donation to support the march.[10][11] Jeffrey Katzenberg and his wife Marilyn also contributed $500,000.[12] Movie producer Steven Spielberg and his spouse also donated $500,000, also matching the donation of the Clooneys.[13] On February 23, Gucci announced they were also donating $500,000 towards the march.[14] Other people and organizations offering support have included Justin Bieber,[15] Gabby Giffords, Lauren Jauregui, Alyssa Milano, Moms Demand Action, Amy Schumer, St. Vincent, Harry Styles,[16] and Hayley Williams.[17][18] John Legend and Chrissy Teigen donated $25,000.[19] Jimmy Fallon has pledged to attend an event with his family.[20]
Obviously these are just the declared big donors.
‘March For Our Lives’ Now Operating Under Dark Money Nonprofit Advocacy Group
http://freebeacon.com/issues/march-lives-now-operating-dark-money-nonprofit-advocacy-group/
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While the organization said on its website it is "for kids and by kids" and the "March For Our Lives organizers are the kids themselves," it also said the kids "have brought in support to help ensure it is a success." A coalition of liberal advocacy groups are currently involved in organizing and planning the march. In addition to support from leading gun-control groups like Everytown for Gun Safety, the Brady Campaign, and Giffords, organizers from the Women's March, Planned Parenthood, and Move On are involved with the permitting for the event as well as promoting it.
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However, the March For Our Lives Action Fund, as a 501(c)(4) organization, will not be required to disclose its donors, and individuals who send cash to the group can remain anonymous. A 501(c)(4) designated group can be involved in political activity as long as it does not become its primary focus. The organization said on its website it chose to incorporate the group this way because it plans to lobby for new gun-control legislation even after Saturday's march.
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I would hope PP's stance against gun rights causes some non-Libs to think long and hard about abortion.
You see a broad coalition of Libs on this issue which I think will actually hurt them. It looks more political than a "reasonable" movement to end "gun violence."
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Don't know if serious...
https://imgur.com/XQK2RuQ.jpg
Several variations on this "my [Feminist thingy] is more regulated than guns" bullshit...
https://imgur.com/wXmOfRS.jpg
Goes to show the level of information these children are operating under. They've been kept intentionally ignorant. One has to wonder what kind of bad info/lies they are telling in the classrooms about guns.
CoGirl303
03-24-2018, 13:27
I marched today.
Marched my [bruised] ass up the basement stairs, out the door, to the car and went to work. [coffee]
Feeling very accomplished. [emoji57]
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colorider
03-24-2018, 13:44
I’m pretty tired of seeing that jackass and his bald lesbo friend on the news. Go back to eating tide pods ya jackasses
The way this country has decayed....it makes me sad.
I’m pretty tired of seeing that jackass and his bald lesbo friend on the news. Go back to eating tide pods ya jackasses
I am too, sorry.
People need to see that clown throwing a weak wristed Communist fist in the air and understand what this is about.
Skip to 0:44
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDmxDuuRU5A
KestrelBike
03-24-2018, 14:27
Goes to show the level of information these children are operating under. They've been kept intentionally ignorant. One has to wonder what kind of bad info/lies they are telling in the classrooms about guns.
As a public school teacher, I can confirm that these kids are fed a constant diet of one-sided, biased information from 9/10 teachers. In fact, after the parkland shooting, teachers were expressly forbidden from discussing the issue, but most teachers ignored that- I heard several teachers tell their students that they were proud of them for walking out, etc.
If teachers aren't allowed to openly discuss both sides of the issue, the side that the media/social media give wins by default. For those few kids who have the pro-gun/rights position, it's because their parents are pro-gun.
In effect, we're f'ed.
eta: oh and the kicker, is that those few pro-gun kids, at least one of them has been branded a racist by both fellow students and teachers.
eta 2: BTW, how the f*** is a kid actually going to be able to form an informed opinion on this issue, when the student LITERALLY CANNOT MULTIPLY 1 X 10 IN HIS HEAD. I'm not kidding. Me ---> Jeffrey, what's 1 times 10? Jeffrey ---> "Ummm... it's 11. Wait, no, 9." That actual, verbal exchange took place 2 weeks ago. He's a 17 year old in his senior year of high school on his way to graduating with a high school diploma.
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In effect, we're f'ed.
[snip]
We're fucked by our own apathy, self-imposed RoE, and idiotic strategy.
All of that can change when there is consensus on reality.
‘Entertainment’ PR firm handling media requests for anti-gun protest
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/entertainment-pr-firm-handling-media-requests-for-anti-gun-protest/
Media outlets interested in obtaining press credentials for the event receive a response from a West Coast PR firm named “42 West.”
Runs guns to narcoterrorists
Wants to disarm Americans
http://i.imgur.com/S4nfWm6.jpg
Check the flag...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZFQNNQUQAA54Gx.jpg:small
kidicarus13
03-24-2018, 16:08
Skip to 0:44
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDmxDuuRU5AGet off the sauce, you're underage!
CoGirl303
03-24-2018, 16:22
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180324/834fa1d3b2e698a121ce5e8648a7f3b6.jpg
and more unconstitutional drivel by the District of Columbia...
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That reminds me, I need to send NRA-ILA some money.
GreenHorn
03-24-2018, 17:10
Are there going to be any counter marches in Colorado? I know Utah had one. I'm afraid if people don't literally stand up to them or at least make an effort to be counted this will only continue to snowball. We need respectful resistance now or we'll need forceful resistance later..
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APEXgunparts
03-24-2018, 17:16
Are there going to be any counter marches in Colorado? I know Utah had one. I'm afraid if people don't literally stand up to them or at least make an effort to be counted this will only continue to snowball. We need respectful resistance now or we'll need forceful resistance later..
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I read that a group of people in Woodland park gathered together and "took their guns for a walk " along highway 24...
Richard
CoGirl303
03-24-2018, 17:17
That reminds me, I need to send NRA-ILA some money.
dont forget the
Second Amendment Foundation
Gun Owners of America
too. [emoji846]
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That reminds me, I need to send NRA-ILA some money.
What fer?
They’re AWOL/UA.
OtterbatHellcat
03-24-2018, 18:02
#STFU
I wonder if that could gain any ground with crying retarded kids that don't know shit about anything in the first place.
kidicarus13
03-24-2018, 18:08
#STFU
I wonder if that could gain any ground with crying retarded kids that don't know shit about anything in the first place.Need to unify with your Governor, it's "intellectual and developmental disability"...
http://cbaclelegalconnection.com/2018/03/governor-signs-bill-to-modernize-mental-retardation-terminology/
dont forget the
Second Amendment Foundation
Gun Owners of America
too. [emoji846]
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Of course... While we're at it.. The Colorado State Shooting Association, also.
CoGirl303
03-24-2018, 18:13
Of course... While we're at it.. The Colorado State Shooting Association, also.
Awesome! Didnt know about them! thanks
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OtterbatHellcat
03-24-2018, 18:15
Need to unify with your Governor, it's "intellectual and developmental disability"...
http://cbaclelegalconnection.com/2018/03/governor-signs-bill-to-modernize-mental-retardation-terminology/
I don't mind those kids, they could use the help. It's the rest of the retarded little bastards I'm talking about.
Aloha_Shooter
03-24-2018, 18:27
I couldn't take it after about 45 seconds of that drivel on the morning news. The number of lies told per minute rivals a Democratic Party Convention ...
JohnnyDrama
03-24-2018, 18:28
What fer?
They’re AWOL/UA.
I think the NRA/ILA have figured out it would be best to keep a low profile and let this event blow over. The marches were a non event on my news feed. By showing up the leftist MSM will spin it against the NRA/ILA, add more fuel to the fire and make this event larger than necessary. I reckon a few bucks sent to a pro gun organization will further our cause on the political spectrum more than counter protesting and be a whole lot more worthwhile than the millions spent by the antis to organize and execute the marches today.
Pick your battles and don't feed the trolls.
BushMasterBoy
03-24-2018, 18:40
I should have went to the rally and handed out condoms.
Are there going to be any counter marches in Colorado? I know Utah had one. I'm afraid if people don't literally stand up to them or at least make an effort to be counted this will only continue to snowball. We need respectful resistance now or we'll need forceful resistance later..
With a complicit media, the masses would never know.
OtterbatHellcat
03-24-2018, 19:31
"Forceful later"....
...shhhhhh....are you rubbing the genie lamp?
I promise I won't tell anyone if you are.
BPTactical
03-24-2018, 19:44
Read my signature line.
Understand it.
Believe it.
To recognize the march I spent most of the day going in to some of my favorite gun shops in hopes of buying something interesting. Unfortunately nothing jumped out at me so after a few pleasant miles on the bike I went to the range and had a great time. [Coffee]
Took the family to the Denver Pow Wow, where real Americans honored their current Nations flag, their Military service members, and their culture. On the way up we saw the stupid sign being towed around in the sky with a message about how Sen. Cory Gardner being an NRA shill.
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CoGirl303
03-24-2018, 22:35
I should have went to the rally and handed out condoms.
coat hangers would have been more appropriate. [coffee]
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Read my signature line.
Understand it.
Believe it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjmxbWJJuac
Took the family to the Denver Pow Wow, where real Americans honored their current Nations flag, their Military service members, and their culture. On the way up we saw the stupid sign being towed around in the sky with a message about how Sen. Cory Gardner being an NRA shill.
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I wish he was an NRA shill and the NRA actually would fight for more than a left-inspired 2nd Amendment meme of sport shooting and hunting.
Yhea, I'm starting to think that tomorrow really does belong to these kids, unfortunately. With full credit going to gunfreezone.net (https://gunfreezone.net/).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv0jav4lNsk
Great-Kazoo
03-25-2018, 08:04
Once again the same people who want gun purchase ages raised due to a youths immaturity. Applaud the stance kids are taking against guns. Only when kids (under 18) take a stand against something the lefts ideology supports, are they mature enough to make "informed decisions"
anyone else catch the little MLK grandkid on a stage saying something like, "I have a Dream. A dream of a world with no guns."
Boy, has she been coached or what? I hate to break her little snowflake heart but it AIN'T GONNA happen. BUT, I guess they say when you dream, dream BIG.....
I'm watching Fox News Sunday on the DVR, and I get so tired of these high school kids being called march "organizers". I'm pretty sure they didn't organize any of what went on yesterday. They had help from a number of leftist organizations and they're being used to put the face of "youth" on the movement.
It's nice to see the youth so concerned about politics;
19.9% of 18-29 year-olds voted in 2014
Lowest rate of youth turnout in last 40 years
If they can't do it on their phones, I doubt these youth will do much to participate.
I had to be downtown around the time the march was ending. Some of the signs I saw were just mind-numbingly stupid.
GilpinGuy
03-25-2018, 12:02
When will there be a "March For Our Freedoms!" rally or protest or whatever. There won't be one, for many good reasons. But this is why we are losing.
BPTactical
03-25-2018, 12:38
How long until the MFOL's get adopted by ANTIFA?
How long until the MFOL's get adopted by ANTIFA?
Too late. It's the first pic. On the first page.
The Communist fist thrown in the air says it's a done deal. The Cuban flag worn by other confirms.
These children aren't Americans nor are the supporting organizations/individuals/companies. There is speculation the same people that fund AntiFa are funding this effort as well (I posted links).
Once again the same people who want gun purchase ages raised due to a youths immaturity. Applaud the stance kids are taking against guns. Only when kids (under 18) take a stand against something the lefts ideology supports, are they mature enough to make "informed decisions"
There you go thinking again...
We will conduct "March to voting booth."
Organize to have bigger republican turnout.
BPTactical
03-25-2018, 14:15
Too late. It's the first pic. On the first page.
The Communist fist thrown in the air says it's a done deal. The Cuban flag worn by other confirms.
These children aren't Americans nor are the supporting organizations/individuals/companies. There is speculation the same people that fund AntiFa are funding this effort as well (I posted links).
There you go thinking again...
That makes them very dangerous IMHO
That makes them very dangerous IMHO
Agree! Where are we?!? Where is the NRA? Where is the president and our politicians that we've braved all insults to elect and support?
This whole thing is connected back to Liberalism/Communism/Socialism/WhateverYouWantToCallThesePeople. It has 100% jack shit do with public safety.
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Report: March For Our Lives Crowd Count Well Below Expected And Initial Reports
http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/25/report-march-for-our-lives-crowd-count-low/
Around 200,000 people attended the March For Our Lives gun control event in Washington, D.C. Saturday afternoon, CBS News reported.
The number is well below the 500,000 number organizers of the event expected and 600,000 less than initially reported by many news outlets immediately following the celebrity-fueled march and rally. The march took place between noon and 3 p.m. on Pennsylvania Avenue between 3rd Street NW and 12th Street NW.
USA Today said Saturday the initially reported number of 800,000 marchers could “be the biggest single-day protest in D.C.’s history,” becoming a number that is larger than the 2017 Women’s March that brought 500,000 to the capitol.
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So of course, they lied about the numbers.
But they still had 200,000 people marching against us in DC alone. 200,000.
Among them was one of the president's own relation through marriage and his super model girlfriend complete with Commie-propa-art posters.
https://i.imgur.com/eKh0VhM.jpg
UrbanWolf
03-25-2018, 14:46
If they keep doing this non-stop it’s gonna lose its meaning.
If they keep doing this non-stop it’s gonna lose its meaning.
Already has in my book. They're against "high capacity magazines", none of which were used in Parkland. They're against "Assault Weapons", yet the largest school shooting for fatalities in the US was at Virginia Tech where the shooter had 2 pistols and didn't use "high capacity magazines". It's a false narrative.
If they really cared about crazy people getting guns, then they should direct their outrage to all of the laws that were in place that were negated by multiple government agencies.
The fact is they want to kill freedom by targeting the 2nd Amendment.
Who paid for the DC protest? That wasn't thrown together by some high school kids. Follow the money.
hollohas
03-25-2018, 15:03
Yeah. Dumb
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180325/7f65d46d5187194625a4f8a11a43de4b.jpg
Who knew you had to fill out a federal form and pass a background check to buy poster board? Those signs are for the ignorant.
UrbanWolf
03-25-2018, 15:07
Yeah. Dumb
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180325/7f65d46d5187194625a4f8a11a43de4b.jpg
He bought that yellow one just fine.
UrbanWolf
03-25-2018, 15:11
Already has in my book. They're against "high capacity magazines", none of which were used in Parkland. They're against "Assault Weapons", yet the largest school shooting for fatalities in the US was at Virginia Tech where the shooter had 2 pistols and didn't use "high capacity magazines". It's a false narrative.
If they really cared about crazy people getting guns, then they should direct their outrage to all of the laws that were in place that were negated by multiple government agencies.
The fact is they want to kill freedom by targeting the 2nd Amendment.
Who paid for the DC protest? That wasn't thrown together by some high school kids. Follow the money.
Exactly, those who fund these kids don’t care about saving lives, they are fine with scarifies to push their agenda, these kids are being used as puppets and they don’t even know it, or do they?
BPTactical
03-25-2018, 15:22
these kids are being used as puppets and they don’t even know it, or do they?
They eat Tide pods dude.........they are obviously missing something in their thought process.
If you've ever seen 'reality TV', you know that some people will do anything just to be popular in the eyes of others.
https://beta.civiqs.com/p/EMx1Oe
Take poll on gun control. Confuse the pollsters and say you voted for her and a registered a$$
Good thing StableGenius™ sold us out on gun control or Lefties might threaten his family.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZK0IzTX4AE0Rgb.jpg:small
https://beta.civiqs.com/p/EMx1Oe
Take poll on gun control. Confuse the pollsters and say you voted for her and a registered a$$
Poll won't let you submit answers without registering an email address. Bob@hotmail.com might be a little upset.
I used "info@gunowners.org"
OtterbatHellcat
03-25-2018, 18:34
If they keep doing this non-stop it’s gonna lose its meaning.
Never should have had a meaning to lose in the first place.
Good thing StableGenius™ sold us out on gun control or Lefties might threaten his family.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZK0IzTX4AE0Rgb.jpg:small
If Barron or any other member of the First Family attended the school in Parkland, FL, it would have been full of trained adults with numerous guns, a few of them automatic weapons. Isn't that sort of what the President has suggested?
When you are unarmed and attacked by armed criminals, who you gonna call? [Coffee]
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JohnnyDrama
03-25-2018, 21:06
So, what's next for the kids behind "March for our Lives"?
I didn't read the article but found the way the adventure is being told amusing....
Great-Kazoo
03-25-2018, 21:10
So, what's next for the kids behind "March for our Lives"?
...
Puberty ?
Yeah, they probably can't all stay Democrats forever. They have some growing up to do.
...although some never do.
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thedave1164
03-26-2018, 06:38
they should have called it March for our Lies
BPTactical
03-26-2018, 07:23
Puberty ?
Well played
I love it.
Marching to dissolve their own natural rights and sacrificing themselves to an entity that cannot protect them and will only write an after-action report when they are killed be it in a shooting, knifing, car accident, or whatever.
Like all Democrats, they deserve no rights, and like Lenin's useful idiots, some day these fucks will be put up against a wall and murdered directly or indirectly by their own communist leaders. That wall might literally be a wall, or a school, or a shopping mall, or a movie theater...
Martinjmpr
03-26-2018, 08:44
When will there be a "March For Our Freedoms!" rally or protest or whatever. There won't be one, for many good reasons. But this is why we are losing.
How are we "losing?" When I look at these protests what I see are a bunch of people who were always going to vote for democrats saying they .... are going to vote for democrats.
It's normal that the party in the white house loses seats in an off-year election (though it doesn't always happen.) Given the non-stop anti-Trump barrage we've seen since the middle of 2016 it's likely that some seats will be lost to the Democrats but the likelihood that both houses will go to the D's is pretty low.
Furthermore, for all the Sturm und Drang about gun control, do you see any concrete measures being proposed? Anti-gun protesters are full of ominous threats to incumbents that if they don't "DO SOMETHING!!!!!1!!" the protesters will take it out on them in November, but you know what? November is a LOOOONG way off.
There's a saying that "6 months is an eternity in politics." Quick, without googling, what was the hot political issue 6 months ago? You don't remember and neither does anybody else.
I'm not saying it's a time for complacency or doing nothing, I'm just saying the sky is not falling. ;)
How are we "losing?" When I look at these protests what I see are a bunch of people who were always going to vote for democrats saying they .... are going to vote for democrats.
It's normal that the party in the white house loses seats in an off-year election (though it doesn't always happen.) Given the non-stop anti-Trump barrage we've seen since the middle of 2016 it's likely that some seats will be lost to the Democrats but the likelihood that both houses will go to the D's is pretty low.
Furthermore, for all the Sturm und Drang about gun control, do you see any concrete measures being proposed? Anti-gun protesters are full of ominous threats to incumbents that if they don't "DO SOMETHING!!!!!1!!" the protesters will take it out on them in November, but you know what? November is a LOOOONG way off.
There's a saying that "6 months is an eternity in politics." Quick, without googling, what was the hot political issue 6 months ago? You don't remember and neither does anybody else.
I'm not saying it's a time for complacency or doing nothing, I'm just saying the sky is not falling. ;)
The appearance of numbers can give pause to the milquetoast and undecideds. If they believe the tides are turning, they will turn and be swept up even if the turning tide is but a ripple from a fish fart in actuality.
It's not that the hardcore believers of this claptrap have much power themselves. It's that they project a power they don't have and the idiotes simply believe it without stopping to consider any of the recurring themes of history and popular movements. That lemming-like mentality is where the darts of the enemy's rhetoric will be felt.
Have you seen or read Shakepeare's Coriolanus? There's a brief monologue, where Coriolanus has been banished from Rome, that he describes this issue of the vox populi and how despite their strength of volume they are but weaklings. A few of the rabble whipped the crowd into banishing the one who had won many victories for Rome, leaving them utterly weak by his banishment.
I prefer Ralph Feinnes' version, personally. The older BBC renditions are too Victorian in a reserved way.
You common cry of curs! whose breath I hate
As reek o' the rotten fens, whose loves I prize
As the dead carcasses of unburied men
That do corrupt my air, I banish you;
And here remain with your uncertainty!
Let every feeble rumour shake your hearts!
Your enemies, with nodding of their plumes,
Fan you into despair! Have the power still
To banish your defenders; till at length
Your ignorance, which finds not till it feels,
Making not reservation of yourselves,
Still your own foes, deliver you as most
Abated captives to some nation
That won you without blows! Despising,
For you, the city, thus I turn my back:
There is a world elsewhere.
Coriolanus, Act 3, Scene 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TArNqebm_Gg
...and then we have the RINOs, LARPing as politicians via realpolitik, screaming out with stage blood on their faces, "Make you a prop-sword of me!"
How are we "losing?" When I look at these protests what I see are a bunch of people who were always going to vote for democrats saying they .... are going to vote for democrats.
It's normal that the party in the white house loses seats in an off-year election (though it doesn't always happen.) Given the non-stop anti-Trump barrage we've seen since the middle of 2016 it's likely that some seats will be lost to the Democrats but the likelihood that both houses will go to the D's is pretty low.
Furthermore, for all the Sturm und Drang about gun control, do you see any concrete measures being proposed? Anti-gun protesters are full of ominous threats to incumbents that if they don't "DO SOMETHING!!!!!1!!" the protesters will take it out on them in November, but you know what? November is a LOOOONG way off.
There's a saying that "6 months is an eternity in politics." Quick, without googling, what was the hot political issue 6 months ago? You don't remember and neither does anybody else.
I'm not saying it's a time for complacency or doing nothing, I'm just saying the sky is not falling. ;)
Birth rates, and immigration.
The Left can’t outbreed us, even though as a whole Americans are barely replacing themselves. Even then conservative parents are losing their kids politically in the Public Education system, and “Higher” education, that and when you factor the voting practices of the Left, and immigration policies for the past 50 years. Kid can be raised “Right” then gets his/her head full of socialist, Marxist indoctrination for 13 - 18 years of “education” and whatever chances Conservative parents had of passing on good values, morals, standards, and ethics are significantly reduced.
We may be winning the small skirmishes now, WH, Senate, House, Supreme Court etc, but we are losing and or have lost the strategic long term battles.
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Jeffrey Lebowski
03-26-2018, 09:49
There's a saying that "6 months is an eternity in politics." Quick, without googling, what was the hot political issue 6 months ago? You don't remember and neither does anybody else.
Russia.
It has been non-stop Russia with these people for a year.
How are we "losing?" When I look at these protests what I see are a bunch of people who were always going to vote for democrats saying they .... are going to vote for democrats.
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I will count the ways...
1. State level gun control everywhere. CO will have a second round soon if this isn't stopped and you'll wake up one day to NYSafe Act. FL's gun control was passed by GOPers. Signed by a GOP governor. Still no framework for reconciling this with Heller/McDonald. They can't ban all guns, just the popular ones and the necessary components (magazines).
2. A Republican president who supports gun control in contradiction of the promises he made to us (he took his 2A page down). Meaning even when we manage to win a presidential election against all odds we still can't protect gun rights.
3. Republican Congresscritters who support gun control.
But the absolute worst...
4. The complete lack of leadership both from our Conservative political representation and the gun rights organizations (NRA). You talk about Democrats always being Dims but aren't realizing that gun control is no longer just a Democrat issue, the Republicans have joined in. No one is keeping it a wedge issue and gun owners have been abandoned.
Now, if I thought it was just about guns, I wouldn't be so alarmed. Some people lose their hobby which is sad. Life goes on. But it's not just about guns. And the same people/groups who partnered on this march are saying all sort of anti-American things about who gets what rights and even who gets to exist in their planned utopia.
They want AR-15s because they know it's what we would use to defend our communities. Look at the signs. That is what they are targeting. Guns that "kill" +/- 400 a year in a country of 320,000,000. They oscillate between WEAPONS OF WAR! and "you can't use that against the military." They willfully ignore all the data and statistics. It's not even rational policy at this point and that's why we can't have a debate or compromise.
But if they want a soft enemy, it's strategic. And that means there is a lot more on the horizon.
Read BP's signline. It really is that simple.
CoGirl303
03-26-2018, 10:21
This deserves a thread all of its own.
This little libtard tweeted this out, yet seems to have no clue about Tianamen Square, or that millions of baby girls were murdered just after they were born because they were deemed weaker than males and therefore not as productive in physical labor as males, or that there is no freedom of speech or right to protest and no ability for Chinese citizens to protect themselves against genocide fron their own government. Clearly knows nothing Mao either. [emoji849]
The stupid hurts.
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What a delightful little snowflake. Maybe a Chicom will come along and shoot her in the head or starve her to death, being as those are Chicom specialties.
You know, this easily could have been posted in the already going March thread.
You know, this easily could have been posted in the already going March thread.
+1 It's a good contribution to that thread. We were already talking about how "educated" the marchers are. This fits right in.
She lacks even a basic grasp of history and human rights around the world. Likely one of the "PATRIARCHY" screechers who ignores the systemic rape and torture of women around the world while moaning about the glass ceiling in the US.
Just to flesh out this picture a little from what I understand, the large population centers of China, like Beijing, even though they are in a communist country are very free market in practice. So for someone living there, it probably doesn't feel like the oppressive communist country that it is and would feel like out in the country. That's what I've heard from people who've been there. I haven't been myself.
CoGirl303
03-26-2018, 10:48
feel free to merge.
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Listen to her talking about the organization with the media and how all kids get media supervision...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M0FWh2tOwg
ETA: Talks about a lot of the support coming from the "Giffords people". Southwest Airlines donated flights. NEA (teachers unions) also behind a lot of the organization/support.
BushMasterBoy
03-26-2018, 10:59
speaking of China...we have this little gem! Chinese space stationed is abandoned and will reenter the earths atmosphere soon. Supposedly it has some kind of nuclear reactor on board. If it lands in my back yard, I will try to post pictures.
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/223446/20180322/china-s-radioactive-space-station-tiangong-1-could-possibly-hit-populated-areas-upon-reaching-earth-s-surface.htm
Have to be careful citing the history of a country as well, lest during a rant about how free America is, someone brings up the history of slavery in America and shoots your rant through the face.
Have to be careful citing the history of a country as well, lest during a rant about how free America is, someone brings up the history of slavery in America and shoots your rant through the face.
Yeah, like we invented slavery. By the way, slavery still exists in the world.
Yeah, like we invented slavery. By the way, slavery still exists in the world.
Of course we didn't of course it does. That's not the point I was making though, nor is it related. I'll spell it out. Saying, "You're dumb for having an opinion in your country because of X terrible thing that happened at some point in history." is a completely invalid argument because it can be made about every country, society, etc of people from the beginning of time, all the way through the end of time.
Listen to her talking about the organization with the media and how all kids get media supervision...
A libtard lovefest.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZL76dVXUAEsQcv.jpg
Their continued marathon of destroying natural rights, liberty, and freedom.
hollohas
03-26-2018, 15:15
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZL76dVXUAEsQcv.jpgYeah, sure he did. I'm SURE this kid organized and printed all the t-shirts, all the banners, the bullhorns, the stages, all the mics, lights and sound and the artists that preformed.
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Oh yeah, no he didn't.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180326/d5f48ad6fa33b1aee8c3708d8c80c4a6.jpg
Thanks StableGenius™
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ORCmn3snhY
Comrade Hogg's statements are contradicting.
(Not my video, haven't watched the whole thing)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxn66Jsfvxo
Comrade Hogg is a paid actor who pretends he was at the school being shot at. The term is "crisis actor".
I've been waiting for some info to come out about this pointy-chinned, stick-armed freak to discredit him.
I hope it can be validated, and sees the light of day.
Pretty much all of these kids are a bit too polished, and WAY to comfortable with public speaking, for a bunch of recently traumatized high school students.
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How about this one:
https://youtu.be/K9Gb41JJA1o
I like the cue card prompted speech at the end.
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Great-Kazoo
03-26-2018, 18:21
I've been waiting for some info to come out about this pointy-chinned, stick-armed freak to discredit him.
I hope it can be validated, and sees the light of day.
Pretty much all of these kids are a bit too polished, and WAY to comfortable with public speaking, for a bunch of recently traumatized high school students.
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The way the left protects their own, i doubt the truth would ever see the light of the web.
hollohas
03-26-2018, 18:27
Yeah, there's certainly something wrong about this kid. "Too polished" is a good way to put it. I find it a bit strange that the one kid that the internet immediately questioned the credibility of based on previous TV appearances just happened to also be the main poster child and public speaker of the "cause".
I wish some journalist would get their hands on a yearbook. What's this kid's history? What clubs was he in? What sort of things did he post on Facebook before the event? What grades did he get? Does he even go to school anymore? Why has no one asked these questions?
I've been waiting for some info to come out about this pointy-chinned, stick-armed freak to discredit him.
I hope it can be validated, and sees the light of day.
Pretty much all of these kids are a bit too polished, and WAY to comfortable with public speaking, for a bunch of recently traumatized high school students.
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I could be wrong, I looked it up and all the lefty news sites say hogg really did go to Parkland.
OTOH the media are such liars and wholly without merit that I'll stand by what I wrote until proven wrong.
Perhaps one of the communists on this board will grow a set and prove me wrong, it wouldn't bother me to be proven wrong, they'll probably just puss out though. I've been wrong before and I can accept my errors and learn from them.
OtterbatHellcat
03-26-2018, 19:15
I don't like any of this horseshit, Roberth.
But if you were to run for any type of office, you've got my vote.
hollohas
03-26-2018, 19:52
I could be wrong, I looked it up and all the lefty news sites say hogg really did go to Parkland.
I'm sure he did, but I want to know more about him. We should know who the commie poster child is. Someone should be able to dig up his story. Who are his parents and what do they do?
A family member of mine had the audacity to claim that these commie kids are legit, and why not, because many of the founding fathers were only 19-22 in 1776 too. Seriously.
I had to explain that opportunistic, zero accomplishment children are no where near the same as the founders whom many were very accomplished even as teens. More than a couple graduated from schools like Columbia or Yale before they turned 18. One or two went to college when they were 13 or 14. Some ran businesses as teenagers. Some were orphaned young and took over the famliy farms. Many served as aides to George Washington. Most were high ranking military officers by the time they were 20.
And the most obvious difference between the young founders-to-be is that they were fighting a war that largely started after the government attempt to restrict their access to guns! You couldn't find more polar opposite examples of young activists than the founders and these dumbshits.
I don't like any of this horseshit, Roberth.
But if you were to run for any type of office, you've got my vote.
Yeah, it stinks to high heaven.
Thank you, I'd consider other freedom-minded options first though. :)
Great-Kazoo
03-26-2018, 20:01
I'm sure he did, but I want to know more about him. We should know who the commie poster child is. Someone should be able to dig up his story. Who are his parents and what do they do?
A family member of mine had the audacity to claim that these commie kids are legit, and why not, because many of the founding fathers were only 19-22 in 1776 too. Seriously.
I had to explain that opportunistic, zero accomplishment children are no where near the same as the founders whom many were very accomplished even as teens. More than a couple graduated from schools like Columbia or Yale before they turned 18. One or two went to college when they were 13 or 14. Some ran businesses as teenagers. Some were orphaned young and took over the famliy farms. Many served as aides to George Washington. Most were high ranking military officers by the time they were 20.
And the most obvious difference between the young founders-to-be is that they were fighting a war that largely started after the government attempt to restrict their access to guns! You couldn't find more polar opposite examples of young activists than the founders and these dumbshits.
You should remind that family member in 1776, the average life expectancy was 30 - 35?
I'm sure he did, but I want to know more about him. We should know who the commie poster child is. Someone should be able to dig up his story. Who are his parents and what do they do?
A family member of mine had the audacity to claim that these commie kids are legit, and why not, because many of the founding fathers were only 19-22 in 1776 too. Seriously.
I had to explain that opportunistic, zero accomplishment children are no where near the same as the founders whom many were very accomplished even as teens. More than a couple graduated from schools like Columbia or Yale before they turned 18. One or two went to college when they were 13 or 14. Some ran businesses as teenagers. Some were orphaned young and took over the famliy farms. Many served as aides to George Washington. Most were high ranking military officers by the time they were 20.
And the most obvious difference between the young founders-to-be is that they were fighting a war that largely started after the government attempt to restrict their access to guns! You couldn't find more polar opposite examples of young activists than the founders and these dumbshits.
I looked him up, the first bunch of pages are in defense of this pathetic collectivist.
From Heavy.com
https://heavy.com/news/2018/02/david-hogg-florida-school-shooting-california-video/
David Hogg is a senior at Stoneman Douglas High and loves broadcast journalism, CNN reported. He’s a Teenlink reporter for the Sun Sentinel, according to his Instagram profile, a student filmmaker, and a surfer.
Eagles of Death Metal's Jesse Hughes Slams March for Our Lives Protests (https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/eagles-of-death-metals-jesse-hughes-slams-march-for-our-lives-protests/ar-BBKIx3E)
Eagles of Death Metal's Jesse Hughes, a survivor of a mass-shooting incident, called the students of Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School "disgusting vile abusers of the dead" for participating in the March for Our Lives protest.
Hughes penned his tirade in the caption of an Instagram post that mocked gun control and the efforts for stricter gun laws. "Obviously … The best thing to do to combat chronic abusers and disregarders of the law (like the law against Murder) is to ... pass another Law," Hughes wrote. "But before we pass this law we're going to denigrate the memory and curse ourselves by exploiting the death of 16 of our fellow students for a few Facebook likes and some media attention."
"Look how well civil rights abuses as it concerns firearms helped to protect me and my friends in Paris," Hughes added. Eagles of Death Metal were onstage at Paris' Bataclan on the night of November 13th, 2015, when armed terrorists stormed the venue and killed 89 people, including the band's merchandise manager.
"As the survivor of a mass shooting I can tell you from first-hand experience that all of you protesting and taking days off from school insult the memory of those who were killed and abuse and insult me and every other lover of liberty by your every action," Hughes wrote.
Nearly two years after the terror attack, Hughes made controversial statements suggesting that the Bataclan shooting was an inside job perpetrated by the venue's security. Hughes also criticized the French government for imposing stricter gun laws. Although Hughes later apologized for his "baseless" comments, Eagles of Death Metal were still dropped from the lineup of numerous French music festivals.
On Sunday, Hughes chastised the Parkland, Florida survivors for demanding legislature on gun control. "The Whitney Houston song about letting the children lead the way wasn’t actually had operating paradigm for life ... And when the truth don’t line up with your bull---t narrative just hold your breath and stamp your feet and refused to except it ... then take multiple days off of school playing hooky at the expense of 16 of your classmates blood … it might be funny if it wasn't so pathetic and disgusting," Hughes added.
"Long Live Rock’n’Roll ... and may everyone of these disgusting vile abusers of the dead live as long as possible so they can have the maximum amount of time to endure their shame ... and be Cursed ..."
Questions I would like answered about David Hogg in no particular order.
- What classroom was he in at the time of the attack?
- What occupation do his parents hold?
- How much money has he and his family received from far left groups since the attack?
- How many of the victims of the attack can he name without prep time?
- Would he ever buy a firearm?
- When did he transfer to Marjory Stoneman Douglas High?
Depending on which one of his interviews you listen to, he was either in his Environmental Sciences class, or he was at home listening to the news when he heard about the shooting.
I believe earlier reports stated that his father is retired FBI. No word that I recall on his mother's occupation.
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Hogg’s father is retired FBI
Hogg wanted to work for CNN, push agenda, be in the limelight
Hogg (supposedly) rode to school on bike when shooting started but was videoing well before it ended?
FBI knew about Cruz/intent (38? tips/contacts) just like they knew about FL nightclub shooter/intent.
FBI has run several “anti” terror ops on US soil grooming suspects and pushing towards acting. Probably more we don’t know about.
LEO on scene stays out of school DURING SHOOTING b/c body cameras?!? That’s bullshit and we know it.
Other agency LEO disciplined for intervening while shooting in progress. Complete nonsense! Only makes sense if trying to keep other eyes out.
Parkland HS is in Lib area. Wasserman-Shultz district. Sheriff Israel loves HRC.
Does my wife need to pick up more tinfoil at Kings? I think I’m out...
What are the odds there is much FBI in this?
The last video has an interesting timeline...
He rides three miles to school. Hears shots, hides, videos.
Shooting lasts ~7 minutes according to Broward Cowards.
That’s a very busy 7 minutes! He’s either lying, got a head start, or Coward’s timeline is wrong.
American Thinker - https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/03/the_march_for_their_lies.html
History, it is said, is a lie agreed upon, and the so-called March for Our Lives celebrated the lie that easy access to guns and the NRA is placing our schoolchildren's lives in jeopardy.
Ace of Spades - https://ace.mu.nu/
Good morning kids. Tuesday is here and in the lead is the assault on not only our Second Amendment rights, and really every principle and tradition this nation was founded on, but I digress. Since time immemorial, every totalitarian regime and tyranny has relied on corrupting the minds of the youth to either attain or maintain power. For those with even the slightest understanding of history will recognize what the so called "March for Our Lives" is all about.
More claptrap from the Communist News Network:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/27/politics/john-paul-stevens-second-amendment/index.html
Washington (CNN)Retired Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens believes the students and demonstrators who protested this past weekend for gun control should seek a repeal of the Second Amendment.
"A concern that a national standing army might pose a threat to the security of the separate states led to the adoption of that amendment," Stevens wrote an op-ed published in The New York Times Tuesday, adding, "today that concern is a relic of the 18th century."
A lifelong Republican but considered liberal in his judicial rulings, Stevens pointed to his dissent in the 2008 landmark District of Columbia v. Heller case that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm for self-defense within his home.
"That decision — which I remain convinced was wrong and certainly was debatable — has provided the (National Rifle Association) with a propaganda weapon of immense power," wrote Stevens, who served from 1975 until he retired in 2010.
He added, "Overturning that decision via a constitutional amendment to get rid of the Second Amendment would be simple and would do more to weaken the NRA's ability to stymie legislative debate and block constructive gun control legislation than any other available option."
CNN has reached out to the NRA for comment.
Reached out, but not bothered to publish any response...
Ace of Spades - https://ace.mu.nu/
Those links! :(
More claptrap from the Communist News Network:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/27/politics/john-paul-stevens-second-amendment/index.html
Washington (CNN)Retired Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens believes the students and demonstrators who protested this past weekend for gun control should seek a repeal of the Second Amendment.
Reached out, but not bothered to publish any response...
That's honest at least. It's more honest then they've been on First Amendment issues.
Martinjmpr
03-27-2018, 10:01
That's honest at least. It's more honest then they've been on First Amendment issues.
I, for one, hope that they try to do exactly this. Because (a) it would suck up a lot of their energy and (b) it doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of ever happening.
Think about it, in order to amend the Constitution, the amendment needs to be ratified by 3/4 of the states. That's 38 state legislatures that would have to ratify. There aren't 38 states that would support a repeal of the 2nd amendment. In fact, there probably aren't 25.
To put it more succinctly, it only takes 13 states to BLOCK a Constitutional amendment. Most of us could name 13 states that would not ratify such an amendment right off the top of our heads: Every state West of the Mississippi except the 3 coastal states, Hawaii and possibly New Mexico (which is even more liberal than CO) - that's 18 states right there (including Alaska), 19 if you think Colorado would not ratify such an amendment (and I don't think it would.)
Also every state South of the Ohio river except Virginia and maybe - MAYBE - Florida would vote against a repeal. That's 8 more states. And it wouldn't surprise me if New Hampshire, VT or Maine voted against a repeal of the 2nd amendment as well.
In the Amendment scenario, a state is a state is a state: California with its 33 million people gets exactly the same percentage of the vote as Wyoming with it's 600,000.
So I'm all in favor of gun grabbers trying to repeal the 2nd amendment.
There may come a time when such an amendment WOULD pass the state legislatures of 38 states but nobody on this board will be alive when that happens. In fact, I doubt any of our grandchildren will be alive when that happens.
I hope this kid disappears soon. Looks and talks lime a fool.
Rucker61
03-27-2018, 10:41
I, for one, hope that they try to do exactly this. Because (a) it would suck up a lot of their energy and (b) it doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of ever happening.
Think about it, in order to amend the Constitution, the amendment needs to be ratified by 3/4 of the states. That's 38 state legislatures that would have to ratify. There aren't 38 states that would support a repeal of the 2nd amendment. In fact, there probably aren't 25.
To put it more succinctly, it only takes 13 states to BLOCK a Constitutional amendment. Most of us could name 13 states that would not ratify such an amendment right off the top of our heads: Every state West of the Mississippi except the 3 coastal states, Hawaii and possibly New Mexico (which is even more liberal than CO) - that's 18 states right there (including Alaska), 19 if you think Colorado would not ratify such an amendment (and I don't think it would.)
Also every state South of the Ohio river except Virginia and maybe - MAYBE - Florida would vote against a repeal. That's 8 more states. And it wouldn't surprise me if New Hampshire, VT or Maine voted against a repeal of the 2nd amendment as well.
In the Amendment scenario, a state is a state is a state: California with its 33 million people gets exactly the same percentage of the vote as Wyoming with it's 600,000.
So I'm all in favor of gun grabbers trying to repeal the 2nd amendment.
There may come a time when such an amendment WOULD pass the state legislatures of 38 states but nobody on this board will be alive when that happens. In fact, I doubt any of our grandchildren will be alive when that happens.
My succinct reply to those who suggest amending or repealing the Second (used often enough that it shows up word by word on my phone and tablet suggestions): Find a recent red/blue map of the US. Start counting red states. Stop when you get to 13.
hollohas
03-27-2018, 11:07
Using kids to promote an agenda is radical 101 and has been used successfully for generations.
What we're seeing now is not far from the Communist attacks on the "Four Olds" by the Red Guard during the cultural revolution in china.
The lefties want to change or erase traditional America. Hell, just today I read an article about how a bunch of people want the Stapleton name to be removed from everything.
The lefty activists are just now figuring out that kids serve as great spokesmen.
My succinct reply to those who suggest amending or repealing the Second (used often enough that it shows up word by word on my phone and tablet suggestions): Find a recent red/blue map of the US. Start counting red states. Stop when you get to 13.
I'm reassured by the fact we have a process that makes it difficult (by design).
But then I remember our opponent doesn't play by the rules or respect that process. In some parts of the country (e.g. NYC) 2A has already been effectively repealed. They view this as a policy issue, not a right. Kind of like gay marriage being forced on the states in direct violation of the 10th, it was just a policy change in their eyes. If the Left doesn't think it's sacred, it's not. And 2A is standing in the way of a lot of progress that is sacred to them.
They are also always reaching for higher levels of authority to usurp our sovereignty. I think Fast 'n Furious was at attempt to link domestic gun ownership to the illicit international arms trade (think "interstate commerce" on a global scale). Thank God it was exposed!
You shouldn't have WEAPONS OF WAR because gun owners could never oppose the US mil.
Good vid on the subject...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x_YhKC2WjY
DenverGP
03-27-2018, 13:37
44 states have constitutional provisions enumerating the individual right to keep and bear arms. And most of them, the language used is even more clear-cut than the 2nd amendment that the lefties try to parse to death.
Colorado in 1876:
The right of no person to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person and property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall be called in question; but nothing herein contained shall be construed to justify the practice of carrying concealed weapons.
Pennsylvania's dates back to 1776, and is pretty clear cut:
That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the state; and as standing armies in the time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; And that the military should be kept under strict subordination, to, and governed by, the civil power.
Even liberal Connecticut, in 1818:
Every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself and the state.
Only 6 states fail to enumerate a right to keep and bear arms: California, Iowa, Maryland, Minnesota, New Jersey and New York.
Iowa and New Jersey have a more general
all persons have certain natural and unalienable rights, among which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty, of acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and of pursuing and obtaining safety and happiness.
44 states have constitutional provisions enumerating the individual right to keep and bear arms. And most of them, the language used is even more clear-cut than the 2nd amendment that the lefties try to parse to death.
Colorado:
The right of no person to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person and property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall be called in question; but nothing herein contained shall be construed to justify the practice of carrying concealed weapons.
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I love that avatar!
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If I am left a bolt gun or revolver have my rights been upheld? These words aren't a problem for the mag ban, right? We've yet to see a challenge on this basis.
Worse example, here is NY state law...
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
http://codes.findlaw.com/ny/civil-rights-law/cvr-sect-4.html
Sounds familiar and pretty damned gun friendly. Made purposefully consistent with 2A, should enjoy all the same protections.
Now look at NYC.
2 + 2 = 5
I'm not sure there is much meaning in the law. I think NY would ratify a repeal of 2A in spite of their state laws. I think CO would too, to be honest. They would sell it as "we aren't going to ban all guns, just need the ability to impose reasonable restrictions and 2A is in the way."
Which is basically what John Paul Stevens argues (as mentioned on the last page) in...
John Paul Stevens: Repeal the Second Amendment
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/27/opinion/john-paul-stevens-repeal-second-amendment.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection %2Fopinion
[snip]
Overturning that decision [Heller] via a constitutional amendment to get rid of the Second Amendment would be simple and would do more to weaken the N.R.A.’s ability to stymie legislative debate and block constructive gun control legislation than any other available option.
[snip]
See how he did that? They aren't banning all guns just want constructive gun control legislation. But to get there, they need to grant themselves the ability to ban all guns.
And doesn't this mean that 2A does indeed protect the guns that are now banned in many states? If 2A is an obstacle, why isn't it an obstacle?
I haven't read much of this thread, but I'm surprised that no one is digging up as much as they can about the Nevada thing and pointing to that as a direct example of people actually utilizing their 2nd Amendment in current times. I'm no history buff, but I can't think of another time anyone has really done so, and a list would be very useful.
hollohas
03-27-2018, 14:26
... but I'm surprised that no one is digging up as much as they can about the Nevada thing and pointing to that as a direct example of people actually utilizing their 2nd Amendment in current times.
Are you referring to the Bundy Ranch "standoff"?
Martinjmpr
03-27-2018, 14:26
I posted this on TAH but I figured it was appropriate here as well:
Stevens might just as well argue that the liberals should build a time machine to send a robot assassin back to 1951 to kill Eugene Stoner before he could design the AR platform.
I mean, he might as well propose that since it’s about as likely to happen as the repeal of the 2nd Amendment.
Are you referring to the Bundy Ranch "standoff"?
Yes. Didn't someone here recently post something saying all charges were dropped and entire case dismissed or something? I thought people jumped in with notions of everything being shut down to prevent exposing whatever government officials that wanted the land for commercial development. I can't tell if that was legitimate or just the usual BS that gets posted here.
Regardless, just like the NRA magazine runs self defense stories, it would be important, IMO, to research potential 2A events. Otherwise, it seems very easy to craft an argument that regardless of the nature of a restriction, if it didn't prevent anyone from defending themselves from the government, that it hasn't had an effect on 2A at all.
Not saying I agree with that reasoning, but I can see something like that coming at some point.
SuperiorDG
03-27-2018, 16:58
You shouldn't have WEAPONS OF WAR because gun owners could never oppose the US mil.
Good vid on the subject...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x_YhKC2WjY
I just don't know if us lazy well feed Americans have what it takes to run an insurgent war. The youth have already been conditioned to stair endlessly into their phone for hours on end and unlike Afghanistan we don't have the family bonds.
Great-Kazoo
03-27-2018, 17:04
Yes. Didn't someone here recently post something saying all charges were dropped and entire case dismissed or something? I thought people jumped in with notions of everything being shut down to prevent exposing whatever government officials that wanted the land for commercial development. I can't tell if that was legitimate or just the usual BS that gets posted here.
Regardless, just like the NRA magazine runs self defense stories, it would be important, IMO, to research potential 2A events. Otherwise, it seems very easy to craft an argument that regardless of the nature of a restriction, if it didn't prevent anyone from defending themselves from the government, that it hasn't had an effect on 2A at all.
Not saying I agree with that reasoning, but I can see something like that coming at some point.
Charges were dropped due to OOPS from the fbi. They fuked up and cost them a guilty conviction.
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2018/01/cliven_bundy_standoff_case_thr.html
A judge Monday threw out criminal charges against Nevada cattleman Cliven Bundy, his two sons and a co-defendant in their 2014 standoff with federal agents, citing "flagrant misconduct" by prosecutors and the FBI in not disclosing evidence before and during trial.
I just don't know if us lazy well feed Americans have what it takes to run an insurgent war. The youth have already been conditioned to stair endlessly into their phone for hours on end and unlike Afghanistan we don't have the family bonds.
I think you're right about laziness, in general. I don't think most really know what this is all about and I'm not sure how to explain it. I think if people understood it there would be more unity on the issue and willingness.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRi-UouACL8&bpctr=1522198811
Some people think this is funny. It kind of creeps me out.
I haven't read much of this thread, but I'm surprised that no one is digging up as much as they can about the Nevada thing and pointing to that as a direct example of people actually utilizing their 2nd Amendment in current times. I'm no history buff, but I can't think of another time anyone has really done so, and a list would be very useful.
Battle of Athens TN.
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hollohas
03-27-2018, 20:04
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRi-UouACL8&bpctr=1522198811
Some people think this is funny. It kind of creeps me out.Mirrors my thoughts...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRi-UouACL8&bpctr=1522198811
Some people think this is funny. It kind of creeps me out.
Seriously? Someone explain to me how this is different from when morons on the left call people they disagree with on the right Hitler.
Ridiculous.
I like it. Sums it up nicely.
Archive it soon, before it disappears.
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kidicarus13
03-27-2018, 21:22
More like Boss Hogg
1 day after being involved in the March for our Lives Al Sharpton's half brother is directly involved in a murder via firearm..
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/27/al-sharptons-half-brother-charged-with-capital-murder-in-alabama-shooting.html
GilpinGuy
03-27-2018, 23:01
This been posted yet?
https://youtu.be/sPmRQANxVhE
Seriously? Someone explain to me how this is different from when morons on the left call people they disagree with on the right Hitler.
Ridiculous.
I think it’s supposed to be a bit satirical in nature.
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DavieD55
03-28-2018, 05:36
communist
http://i64.tinypic.com/v7ze55.jpg
I got pretty frustrated with both sides yesterday and well I think I'm going to spend some time away from a particular gun forum. I'm too tired of the my side is right and if you don't agree then you are a piece of shit blah blah. I'd love to live in a wide open area where it's just me and my family with a small government, but that isn't the case. I'm not talking about giving anything more to the gun grabbers, but the divisiveness on both sides is at epic retard levels.
I'm not talking about giving anything more to the gun grabbers, but the divisiveness on both sides is at epic retard levels.
That can happen when you have emotion on one side and logic, reason, and an understanding of human history on the other. Asking those using logic and reason to give that up to appease an irrational idea doesn't provide somewhere to 'meet in the middle'.
All the left had to do was leave us alone, they couldn't do that so now they get the tiger.
I got pretty frustrated with both sides yesterday and well I think I'm going to spend some time away from a particular gun forum. I'm too tired of the my side is right and if you don't agree then you are a piece of shit blah blah. I'd love to live in a wide open area where it's just me and my family with a small government, but that isn't the case. I'm not talking about giving anything more to the gun grabbers, but the divisiveness on both sides is at epic retard levels.
Agreed. The childishness on both sides makes me embarrassed to be an American. Grow up & deal with your problems like an adult. Just a bunch of petulant children on both sides crying because they got the green sucker instead of the red one. It's a race to the bottom. FFS
All the left had to do was leave us alone, they couldn't do that so now they get the tiger.
That's what I hear, but honestly I'm tired of it. Almost total ban in CA, NYC, Chicago. Limitations in FL, CO. Proposed limitations / bans in MN, OR and where ever else I'm forgetting. What exactly is the tiger and I doubt it will ever show up. I hate the left, but they do show up. Honestly they will just keep chipping away despite all the letter writing and in 20 years nobody will be able to own firearms and it will be stigmatized so much that nobody will want to. This whole they are going to kick down my door crap is idiotic.
That's what I hear, but honestly I'm tired of it. Almost total ban in CA, NYC, Chicago. Limitations in FL, CO. Proposed limitations / bans in MN, OR and where ever else I'm forgetting. What exactly is the tiger and I doubt it will ever show up. I hate the left, but they do show up. Honestly they will just keep chipping away despite all the letter writing and in 20 years nobody will be able to own firearms and it will be stigmatized so much that nobody will want to. This whole they are going to kick down my door crap is idiotic.
You're right, most American gun owners are complacent, when the anti-gun laws come to their state they'll quietly abide by them. There won't be any door-kicking b/c most gun owners will roll over voluntarily. The tiger will come out in rare events but it won't be enough.
You're right, most American gun owners are complacent, when the anti-gun laws come to their state they'll quietly abide by them. There won't be any door-kicking b/c most gun owners will roll over voluntarily. The tiger will come out in rare events but it won't be enough.
And in the case of rare events it will just be sold as radical gun groups and not the citizenry (or whatever composes the gun owners) as a whole. We have to be honest and the fact is that our country values the illusions of security over freedom.
And in the case of rare events it will just be sold as radical gun groups and not the citizenry (or whatever composes the gun owners) as a whole. We have to be honest and the fact is that our country values the illusions of security over freedom.
Agreed, bold for truth.
They give no thought to the futures of America's children.
I got pretty frustrated with both sides yesterday and well I think I'm going to spend some time away from a particular gun forum. I'm too tired of the my side is right and if you don't agree then you are a piece of shit blah blah. I'd love to live in a wide open area where it's just me and my family with a small government, but that isn't the case. I'm not talking about giving anything more to the gun grabbers, but the divisiveness on both sides is at epic retard levels.
Just out of curiosity what do you see as divisiveness? What could gun owners do to be less divisive on a topic where, as of yesterday, they now admit they want all of 2A gone? It seems like an absolute position that implies much future badness.
And in all honesty, the reasonable things aren't even on the table anymore for us to give, they are being given up willingly (e.g. FL BGCs, age limits, etc...). Look at CO and tell us what we could do to put the other side at ease? I don't know about MN, but here they won't let us protect the schools! They ignore Denver's casual violence, for now. We have BGCs, we have mag limits. We could give age limits on ARs but it will be ineffective and then we'll be talking AWB.
If you've had conversations with the other side you've probably experienced some of what I have. You remain calm and polite, acknowledge the concern and agree that kids getting murdered is unacceptable, cite facts/statistics, talk about why the US has 2A, and get called a child murderer once the talking points fail. Those talking points they've been given are designed to shut is us down which is why they get so angry when they fail. They believe them like a religion (most can't define an "assault weapon" but talk about them like nuclear weapons and are shocked when I explain the concept of semi-auto [wood vs synthetic, how common they are]). This was never a conversation and the people funding it are paying for an outcome.
I see it as a soft civil war and the differences are irreconcilable. Someone has to lose and someone has to win. If we walk away, we lose. And it's not just guns, it's coming to a head on guns because so many understand that is the red line. As gun owners that puts us in the middle of it all which is really shitty! If it were 1A it would be Christians and Libertarians (people in UK being arrested for speech right now btw). Imagine how divisive that will be when folks are told what they are/are not allowed to believe! Would it be appropriate to back down and say those on the side of freedom are being divisive because they won't bend their knee?
I could also give you all the examples of what the Left has said they would like to do to me and my family. I could show all the names I've been called individually and as a gun owner. I'm sorry gun owners have embarrassed you, but maybe you should look at the cost of losing. Throw in AntiFa and the global interest against Trump and I'm surprised at shots haven't been fired at this point.
This isn't getting healed and it isn't going away.
If it were just my hobby, I'd give it to them like a participation trophy. It's not a hobby.
kidicarus13
03-28-2018, 10:29
Good post
communist
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While I disagree entirely with her points of view that flag of Cuba dates to 1902, I would guess that’s her heritage. I know quite a few families of Cuban descent in Florida that are equally strong supporters of 2A as anyone here. They saw first hand how a communist Castro ruled and came to America to embrace all our freedoms. Unless I’m mistaken.
Just talked to one of my friends, they're outraged beyond description that she wears the flag though they get it's her choice. He knows that his friends don't associate him with Gonzalez and her group.
Some of her words:
González had rejected the notion that she wants to “disarm” every American, stating that “At the end of the day, we don’t want people to have their guns taken away. We just want the people to be more responsible. We want civilians to have to go through more rolls of red tape to get what they want, because if any of that tape can stop those who shouldn’t own a gun from owning a gun, then our government will have done something right.”
Bolded for emphasis.
Sure... That's all you want...
BPTactical
03-28-2018, 11:01
Again: You know they will load you into cattle cars in a heartbeat.
Leftists have stacked mountains of skulls in the 20th century......what makes you think they are any different now?
Good article from Karl Deniger
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=233205
So Stevens Wants To Repeal 2A?
This is a debate I'd like to have take place.
In an op-ed published by The New York Times, Stevens, a Republican, said that students and anti-gun violence advocates should press lawmakers to take on the amendment.
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"That support is a clear sign to lawmakers to enact legislation prohibiting civilian ownership of semiautomatic weapons, increasing the minimum age to buy a gun from 18 to 21 years old, and establishing more comprehensive background checks on all purchasers of firearms," Stevens wrote.
"But the demonstrators should seek more effective and more lasting reform," he continued. "They should demand a repeal of the Second Amendment."
Let's cut the crap eh? Semi-automatic -- that is, self-loading, weapons are the majority of those in civilian hands today.
Essentially all pistols are semi-automatic. They reload automatically after each shot from a magazine, and fire one round with each trigger press.
Many common rifles are too. The inexpensive and amazingly common Ruger 10-22 is semi-automatic. It fires a .22 caliber round (as does the maligned AR-15), takes a rotary magazine, autoloads and fires one round for each press of the trigger. It's an inexpensive and extremely common target rifle along with being useful for depredation on rodents -- and has the friendly feature of using very inexpensive ammunition (you can literally shoot it all day at the range for $20 and not run out of ammo!) That's a tenth or less of the cost of most other rounds.
Many common sporting shotguns are also semi-automatic. Not only do a lot of people use them for shooting at clays (where reloading speed matters) they're also pretty commonly used to shoot at various fowl for consumption (e.g. turkey, ducks, pheasant, etc.) where a second shot at flying birds can be rather useful as well.
So let's have the debate on the 2nd Amendment. I don't think there's a snowball's chance in Hell that you could get 2/3rds of the House and Senate to pass such a repeal, nor could you get the requisite number of states to ratify it. But I'd like the debate to happen because then we can have a real debate on the issue of the 2nd Amendment, which the Supreme Court has ruled not only protects an individual right but we can demand the removal of nearly all of the existing 50,000 blatantly unconstitutional gun laws and regulations.
Specifically, I'm sort-of-ok with NICS but not as currently used. So let's redefine all of it, and let's go into detail.
I'll start; here is my position and I'm not going to change my mind:
1. Shall not be infringed is very clear and not subject to inserting words that aren't there (such as "except for weapons that I think look scary.")
2. The legitimate contrary argument is that someone currently under indictment, who has been charged or who is currently under post-release supervision for a crime can properly be considered a "prohibited person." So can someone who is currently addicted to a mind-altering substance, no matter what it is and whether it is prescribed or not. Finally, the right to keep and bear arms, as with all rights declared in the Constitution can be limited to those with a lawful and permanent right to be here in the United States. In other words we cannot impose our Constitution on a Mexican citizen.
So let's make it simple: We'll have the debate but this is the other side of it when Stevens loses.
NICS remains but is "de-fanged" and all other gun control laws, from the NFA onward are repealed. The 4473 form is altered to ask the following questions only:
Are you under indictment or have you been charged with a felony crime that is currently pending adjudication? (If so you cannot buy a gun.) This is easily checked via LEADS, to which all the current PoPo agencies both subscribe and submit information to. This is a literal 10 second check made by every single police officer before he pulls someone over (based on their plate) and then once again when he has their Driver License in hand.
Are you under post-release supervision for a criminal offense (e.g. parole, probation, etc.) If so you cannot buy a gun since your sentence has not been served in full as of yet. Again, trivially checked since those records are in LEADS too.
Have you been involuntarily committed or found mentally incompetent by a court or tribunal under due process of law, and has that disability not been found no longer present by same? Mental incompetence is not always permanent. However, mental competence is part of the free exercise of Constitutional Rights; one cannot use the "Free speech" defense to scream about snakes on a plane because you are crazy when there are in fact no snakes.
Are you currently addicted to or required to consume, whether prescribed or not, any mind-altering substance including alcohol, prescription drugs or other substance whether legal or not intended to or with the primary effect of altering one's consciousness? This one is impossible to prove in most cases except ex-post-facto, but that's fine as it serves as a clear warning that penalties are present for violating same after the fact.
Are you a US Citizen or lawful permanent resident and are you 18 years of age or older? That one is easy and proved with a citizenship-specific document (e.g. Real-ID driver license, Passport, Green Card, etc.)
At the same time federal preemption as is actually required and enforced under the Constitution when it comes to one's enumerated rights in the Bill of Rights. You cannot be required to obtain permission in advance to exercise your rights so the very concept of a "CWP" is outlawed. In short you may carry whenever and wherever you wish, concealed or openly, subject only to the government or a private party taking full responsibility both criminally and civilly for your security should same bar weapons. A government agency can bar carrying in a courthouse but the government is then responsible, legally, should you be injured or killed in same by someone with a gun or other deadly weapon and you are unable to defend yourself. Ditto for an airport. Likewise a private yet open to the public location such as a football stadium may bar firearms but they must take legal responsibility for your safety; if someone gets a firearm or knife through their security they are legally responsible both criminally and civilly for same. Ditto for a school; if a school district wishes to bar teachers and administrators from carrying they can but if someone comes into the school with a gun or knife the district is legally responsible for their failure to secure the building since they forcibly disarmed the adults.
This also instantly resolves the current dichotomy between places like Colorado, Oregon, California and Washington along with the majority of states regarding medical and recreational marijuana. As it stands now if you use cannabis in any form, even medically, you are legally not permitted to own or buy guns. I suspect the medical users of cannabis products ignore this routinely and some recreational users probably do too. At the same time there are no medical indications for alcohol and yet recreational, non-addictive use of alcohol is not a bar to firearms ownership. That's outrageous and must not stand.
However, if you are addicted to any mind-altering substance then penalties can attach. Why? Because someone who is addicted by definition cannot control their time and quantity of use and the 2nd Amendment, along with all of parts of the Constitution envision rights that humans with a functioning discretionary mind possess as that is the differentiating factor between a human and an animal (which can be owned, traded, sold, forcibly euthanized, etc.) Those who have dispossessed themselves of same, until they change that, can reasonably be constrained. That is, mental incompetence induced by drug abuse is still mental incompetence! While the current 4473's definition includes alcohol it does not so-state, and it damn well should since the single largest drug of addiction and mental infirmity in the United States, by far, is booze.
If you use a firearm in the commission of a crime then the imposition of enhanced penalties is not only perfectly fine it should be encouraged. Should we punish someone who holds up a liquor store with a gun more-severely than someone who does so with a mere threat or a baseball bat? Yes. Should we consider a mugger or rapist who uses a gun more-severely than one who uses their bare hands? Yes. Is felony assault with a weapon far more serious than the same crime committing without a weapon? Absolutely. And do criminals use weapons as leverage in committing their crimes? Yep, and because they do such should be treated more-harshly, including "serve every day" provisions such as Florida has now, than the same crime committed without a firearm.
So let's have the debate Mr. Stevens and let's put the facts on the table. Yes, it sucks that 13,000 or so Americans are shot and killed every year on an intentional basis (that is, as homicides.) The rest of the alleged "gun violence" is actually suicide and the concept that banning or restricting guns would "fix this" is a criminal fraud Stevens and others have perpetrated; there is zero evidence that someone intending suicide would not choose another path if there were no guns.
However, it is also a fact that the "evil semi-automatic scary-looking" rifles people scream about number tens of millions in civilian ownership and yet among all rifles only about 1,000 homicides a year are committed with them. When limited to the "scary looking" ones the number is about one hundred per year.
Yes, there's a lot of noise in that number up and down but that's the average.
In other words this entire "movement" is a fraud as 0.7% of all homicides annually are committed with those "evil, black, scary-looking" rifles. Nearly all of the rest are committed with the same sort of weapon every police officer has on his or her hip.
Now, Mr. Stevens and others, let me put something else into the debate which you and everyone else have to face if you wish to repeal the 2nd Amendment.
There is a small but material percentage of Americans who can read English and believe the Founders included every word of the Bill of Rights and Constitution for a good, valid reason. They respect the lives spent from 1776-1789 and believe what was built thereupon is both valid and continues to this day. They know that it is a fact that the colonists possessed military-grade weapons, that the Crown attempted to confiscate the colonists' ammunition for same at Concord and they defended their personal and continuing ownership of those weapons and ammunition with their own lives. America exists specifically because they did so and if they had not America as a nation would not exist. You will not change these individual's minds with any vote no matter where it occurs or what form it takes; in their view the original Bill of Rights cannot be repealed as it enumerates rights that pre-exist government.
Those people will not give up or register one single firearm as long as they are alive.
There is plenty of evidence for my fervent belief that this is true; one need only look at New York state for "compliance" with the "SAFE" act, which required same. Current estimates are that only 4% of the weapons and magazines required to be either disposed of, registered or turned in have been. The rest of the owners have ignored said alleged "law".
Therefore anyone demanding more gun control or a repeal of the Second Amendment must answer the following question:
What are you going to do with the very large number of people who will not comply so long as they are alive?
In order to secure those weapons you are going to have to murder them. And it is not a few people who you will have to murder either -- conservatively we are talking about several million Americans, or several hundred years worth of firearm homicide victims.
If you are not willing to commit several million murders then shut up right now, because that's what you're going to have to do to get what you want. And if you are willing to do so then shut up about this being related to the murders committed today, including murders committed in a school, since you are willing to commit several hundred times more of those very same murders to get what you want.
Finally, one last point: The first such murders, if you get what you want, will be like shooting fish in a barrel.
As soon as those first murders take place, either by you directly or those who work for the government it won't be like that. Nobody with a working brain will sit quietly at home and wait to be slaughtered along with their loved ones, including their children.
Nobody with mental capacity greater than that of a young child would ever intentionally set the nation upon that course and nobody (myself included) will want to live in a nation where the inevitable outcome of that course of action will lead yet this is exactly the course of action those who wish to repeal the 2nd Amendment or start stripping weapons from the population on any material basis are advocating for.
We the people must demand that Stevens, David Hogg and the rest answer to this question before one more march takes place or one more TV appearance occurs and we must not stop demanding that answer so as to understand exactly what their true motivations are and expose said motivations to the public so they can be judged appropriately for what they are.
The motivation clearly is not to reduce the homicide rate as their demanded course of action is defined by the willingness and declaration of intent to murder millions of Americans in a wholesale slaughter.
Rucker61
03-28-2018, 12:14
One note of the number of deaths linked to "assault weapons" - using Mother Jones data (let's see them argue with that) only 265 people have been murdered in a mass shooting with one since 1998, over a twenty year period. In that same 20 year period the NOAA tells use that 675 people have died from lightning strikes and 899 people have been murdered by water.
Just out of curiosity what do you see as divisiveness? What could gun owners do to be less divisive on a topic where, as of yesterday, they now admit they want all of 2A gone? It seems like an absolute position that implies much future badness.
And in all honesty, the reasonable things aren't even on the table anymore for us to give, they are being given up willingly (e.g. FL BGCs, age limits, etc...). Look at CO and tell us what we could do to put the other side at ease? I don't know about MN, but here they won't let us protect the schools! They ignore Denver's casual violence, for now. We have BGCs, we have mag limits. We could give age limits on ARs but it will be ineffective and then we'll be talking AWB.
If you've had conversations with the other side you've probably experienced some of what I have. You remain calm and polite, acknowledge the concern and agree that kids getting murdered is unacceptable, cite facts/statistics, talk about why the US has 2A, and get called a child murderer once the talking points fail. Those talking points they've been given are designed to shut is us down which is why they get so angry when they fail. They believe them like a religion (most can't define an "assault weapon" but talk about them like nuclear weapons and are shocked when I explain the concept of semi-auto [wood vs synthetic, how common they are]). This was never a conversation and the people funding it are paying for an outcome.
I see it as a soft civil war and the differences are irreconcilable. Someone has to lose and someone has to win. If we walk away, we lose. And it's not just guns, it's coming to a head on guns because so many understand that is the red line. As gun owners that puts us in the middle of it all which is really shitty! If it were 1A it would be Christians and Libertarians (people in UK being arrested for speech right now btw). Imagine how divisive that will be when folks are told what they are/are not allowed to believe! Would it be appropriate to back down and say those on the side of freedom are being divisive because they won't bend their knee?
I could also give you all the examples of what the Left has said they would like to do to me and my family. I could show all the names I've been called individually and as a gun owner. I'm sorry gun owners have embarrassed you, but maybe you should look at the cost of losing. Throw in AntiFa and the global interest against Trump and I'm surprised at shots haven't been fired at this point.
This isn't getting healed and it isn't going away.
If it were just my hobby, I'd give it to them like a participation trophy. It's not a hobby.
What could gun owners do to be less divisive
Live in reality. Maybe it's just the fact that stupid people make more noise, but the whole "I can't wait until they kick down my door because then it's go time." That mentality is stupid at best. Gun owners as a group could never pull off the kind of measly rally that just happened in DC. All of these gun groups are their own worst enemy. They spend more time collecting money and fighting between themselves for membership than they do anything else. These groups are supposed to what? Escape the authorities where every they live and meet up in the woods to use their guerilla tactics to cripple the government and restore the Constitution? Give me a break. To accomplish this everyone would need to be self-less in their sacrifice. What do we see today? "We'll it's not my state so that sucks." "Only libs live in Commifornia". The exact opposite. The rights have already been infringed so when exactly is it time? "When it's time you'll know." All dumb shit that is said.
The reality of it is that we live in a society in which people are told every opinion (if you agree with me) matters. Feelings matter more than logic and security trumps freedom and privacy. Slowly most people are buying into it. Does it surprise you that the reasoning for the laws they want are grounded in feelings? Most people have internet accounts to share their actions or opinions throughout the day. I'm am not a fan of this, but then again who gives a shit other than me about my opinion? Our society clearly likes it.
In my opinion the judicial system, congress, the press and the military leadership are corrupt or at best not representing the "citizens" of this country. The patriot act destroy's the bill of rights and that's just the start, but what's the solution? At what point are you advocating for a way of life that no longer exists and the masses don't want it to exist? I don't believe that is today, but how many years? When I was younger I had to learn my lesson in doing and maybe the best way to learn is by hardship. I don't believe the government is hell bent on imprisoning and murdering it's citizens. After all who would pay them taxes?
You sound like you are doing great work, but the cards are stacked against all of us. Nobody cares about your logic so honestly it's just a waste of time. Our society as a whole has to come to the decision that it doesn't want the government to run out of control, but as it sits today it's not going that way.
DavieD55
03-28-2018, 13:04
Good post
+1
In that same 20 year period the NOAA tells use that 675 people have died from lightning strikes and 899 people have been murdered by water.
We must ban dihydrogen monoxide!
In my opinion the judicial system, congress, the press and the military leadership are corrupt or at best not representing the "citizens" of this country.
Every thing that the left say they needed to be safe was in place before the Parkland shooting. "See something, say something." Background checks. Yet, the government at all levels in Florida completely short-circuited the system or failed to act entirely.
"We need more government restrictions!"
...and we're being divisive by pointing out that the government is totally ineffective at providing the people safety. Murder is illegal, yet if you stack on a bunch of new laws, they'll obey them? Laws are only applicable to those people that police themselves.
"We need a ban on high-capacity magazines!" None of which were used in Parkland or in the worst school shooting in history, Virginia Tech. "We need to ban "assault weapons"!" which are defined by cosmetics. Virginia Tech shooting involved 2 handguns.
How do you rationalize that an adult between the ages of 18-20 has their right to self-preservation protected by the 2nd Amendment, but no ability to purchase the tools to do so? The recent shooting in Maryland negated that illusion anyway.
You can just give up and try to comfort these people because they're being emotional, but I'm not about to just let someone take away my freedom because they have the disillusioned idea that they'll somehow be safer.
The media coverage right now gives the impression that the occurrence or risk has suddenly become much higher. They do the same thing with shark attacks and child abductions some years.
If you try to have emotions/feelings as a basis for human existence, you can't build a viable society out of that.
John Adams had it right when he called out those that tried to get what they want due to social pressure;
“Be not intimidated...nor suffer yourselves to be wheedled out of your liberties by any pretense of politeness, delicacy, or decency.
These, as they are often used, are but three different names for hypocrisy, chicanery and cowardice.”
― John Adams
Every thing that the left say they needed to be safe was in place before the Parkland shooting. "See something, say something." Background checks. Yet, the government at all levels in Florida completely short-circuited the system or failed to act entirely.
"We need more government restrictions!"
...and we're being divisive by pointing out that the government is totally ineffective at providing the people safety. Murder is illegal, yet if you stack on a bunch of new laws, they'll obey them? Laws are only applicable to those people that police themselves.
"We need a ban on high-capacity magazines!" None of which were used in Parkland or in the worst school shooting in history, Virginia Tech. "We need to ban "assault weapons"!" which are defined by cosmetics. Virginia Tech shooting involved 2 handguns.
How do you rationalize that an adult between the ages of 18-20 has their right to self-preservation protected by the 2nd Amendment, but no ability to purchase the tools to do so? The recent shooting in Maryland negated that illusion anyway.
You can just give up and try to comfort these people because they're being emotional, but I'm not about to just let someone take away my freedom because they have the disillusioned idea that they'll somehow be safer.
The media coverage right now gives the impression that the occurrence or risk has suddenly become much higher. They do the same thing with shark attacks and child abductions some years.
If you try to have emotions/feelings as a basis for human existence, you can't build a viable society out of that.
John Adams had it right when he called out those that tried to get what they want due to social pressure;
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What the hell are you talking about? Did you actually read what I wrote or did you just make stufff up? When did I say I was comforting anybody? This is the kind of bullshit I’m talking about. This is how we come together as firearms owners and present a unified front? You need to adapt your thinking. The useful idiots don’t give a shit about facts. The illusion of safety makes them feel better.
The illusion of safety makes them feel better.
I can't fix that.
Now hit us with something insightful.
the divisiveness on both sides is at epic retard levels.
False equivalence.
What could gun owners do to be less divisive
Live in reality. Maybe it's just the fact that stupid people make more noise, but the whole "I can't wait until they kick down my door because then it's go time." That mentality is stupid at best. Gun owners as a group could never pull off the kind of measly rally that just happened in DC. All of these gun groups are their own worst enemy. They spend more time collecting money and fighting between themselves for membership than they do anything else. These groups are supposed to what? Escape the authorities where every they live and meet up in the woods to use their guerilla tactics to cripple the government and restore the Constitution? Give me a break. To accomplish this everyone would need to be self-less in their sacrifice. What do we see today? "We'll it's not my state so that sucks." "Only libs live in Commifornia". The exact opposite. The rights have already been infringed so when exactly is it time? "When it's time you'll know." All dumb shit that is said.
The reality of it is that we live in a society in which people are told every opinion (if you agree with me) matters. Feelings matter more than logic and security trumps freedom and privacy. Slowly most people are buying into it. Does it surprise you that the reasoning for the laws they want are grounded in feelings? Most people have internet accounts to share their actions or opinions throughout the day. I'm am not a fan of this, but then again who gives a shit other than me about my opinion? Our society clearly likes it.
In my opinion the judicial system, congress, the press and the military leadership are corrupt or at best not representing the "citizens" of this country. The patriot act destroy's the bill of rights and that's just the start, but what's the solution? At what point are you advocating for a way of life that no longer exists and the masses don't want it to exist? I don't believe that is today, but how many years? When I was younger I had to learn my lesson in doing and maybe the best way to learn is by hardship. I don't believe the government is hell bent on imprisoning and murdering it's citizens. After all who would pay them taxes?
You sound like you are doing great work, but the cards are stacked against all of us. Nobody cares about your logic so honestly it's just a waste of time. Our society as a whole has to come to the decision that it doesn't want the government to run out of control, but as it sits today it's not going that way.
You and I actually have a lot of the same concerns. I admit I don't have all the answers either other than to stand firm, be sincere, and explain that my position is not out of ignorance.
We do have a leadership vacuum and it needs to be filled with real people. Dana Loesch is a great example. And I don't have enough time in my day to show you what Libs have said about her, how they have threatened her family, and wished her dead for it. But we don't encourage good leadership by abandoning a fight. Misguided can be fixed, apathy not so much.
A lot of your frustration seems to be leveled at the orgs, and I share it. That's why I let my NRA membership lapse for the first time in ? years. Sure don't see them much these last few weeks either! The thing that brings me comfort is that the NRA was always gun owners/supporters, or at least the ones willing to part with the fees. Those people and their values still exist even if not being effectively represented.
I really don't see a way to address the issue that doesn't involve discussing door kicking because that is very much what is being demanded. I can't be upset that someone calls Libs out on that and challenges them to admit they want violence on gun owners (today, others tomorrow). I also can't be upset at folks who are asking good questions about morality and aggression and discussing the issue. For example, a school shooting is a horrible exception (crime) committed by an individual. But making someone a felon and stacking up on his door is intentional, targeted, state violence. In order for Libs to really win on guns they have to be the tyrants we fear which legitimizes resistance. Tough subject and I'm not surprised people are put off by it, get upset, and make incendiary comments. I'm probably guilty of this at times as well but really try to be disciplined when talking to the other side.
The dominance of feelings exists because the people who feel have been sheltered from reality by design. It is part of our fight. Stepping back doesn't help them nor does it help us. How many of us have observed we are fighting for the rights of young people against young people? I get the social media thing. It's hard and full of double-standards. It's really shitty to spend time posting about the history of 2A only to be called an ammosexual or child murderer let alone have people threaten to "dox" you. But it's part of the marketplace of ideas in 2018. How unfair would it be to sit back, say nothing, watch the world go to shit, and say "I told you?"
There's also a bit of filtering and selection going on in the socials. It's really not representative of either side. Think about the person who has all day to post on the internet. Now think about the people in life you know who kick ass. Not the same person. I've had some time off the last few work days so I've been able to keep up with things more than usual. I need to get back to work! :)
Don't forget that our way of life does indeed exist in the hearts and minds of ~50% of the people in this country (judging by popular vote splits). The media and socials have intentionally tipped the scales to make us feel otherwise. When you hear 90% negative reporting on Trump for 2017 that means something and isn't organic. FB had a whole team to do the same in 2016. Twitter was caught "shadow banning." They want us to feel small, stupid, and insignificant and it works! It wouldn't be propaganda if it didn't. Then we ask why we're not organized! The level of negative psychology we're fighting here is massive. There's nothing sexy about being a Conservative or wanting small government. Very hard to promote a system where people pay their own bills and work. UNLESS we explain the merits and the hams of collectivism.
I've said before the country needs an amicable divorce (flame suit on but that's really the best solution for all involved IMHO).
This doesn't mean America is dead, and the other side knows this too which is why they won't stop at guns. China, Cuba, Russia, etc... They didn't just have to win the revolution but had to eliminate anyone who would advocate for better, bygone times.
You and I actually have a lot of the same concerns. I admit I don't have all the answers either other than to stand firm, be sincere, and explain that my position is not out of ignorance.
We do have a leadership vacuum and it needs to be filled with real people. Dana Loesch is a great example. And I don't have enough time in my day to show you what Libs have said about her, how they have threatened her family, and wished her dead for it. But we don't encourage good leadership by abandoning a fight. Misguided can be fixed, apathy not so much.
A lot of your frustration seems to be leveled at the orgs, and I share it. That's why I let my NRA membership lapse for the first time in ? years. Sure don't see them much these last few weeks either! The thing that brings me comfort is that the NRA was always gun owners/supporters, or at least the ones willing to part with the fees. Those people and their values still exist even if not being effectively represented.
I really don't see a way to address the issue that doesn't involve discussing door kicking because that is very much what is being demanded. I can't be upset that someone calls Libs out on that and challenges them to admit they want violence on gun owners (today, others tomorrow). I also can't be upset at folks who are asking good questions about morality and aggression and discussing the issue. For example, a school shooting is a horrible exception (crime) committed by an individual. But making someone a felon and stacking up on his door is intentional, targeted, state violence. In order for Libs to really win on guns they have to be the tyrants we fear which legitimizes resistance. Tough subject and I'm not surprised people are put off by it, get upset, and make incendiary comments. I'm probably guilty of this at times as well but really try to be disciplined when talking to the other side.
The dominance of feelings exists because the people who feel have been sheltered from reality by design. It is part of our fight. Stepping back doesn't help them nor does it help us. How many of us have observed we are fighting for the rights of young people against young people? I get the social media thing. It's hard and full of double-standards. It's really shitty to spend time posting about the history of 2A only to be called an ammosexual or child murderer let alone have people threaten to "dox" you. But it's part of the marketplace of ideas in 2018. How unfair would it be to sit back, say nothing, watch the world go to shit, and say "I told you?"
There's also a bit of filtering and selection going on in the socials. It's really not representative of either side. Think about the person who has all day to post on the internet. Now think about the people in life you know who kick ass. Not the same person. I've had some time off the last few work days so I've been able to keep up with things more than usual. I need to get back to work! :)
Don't forget that our way of life does indeed exist in the hearts and minds of ~50% of the people in this country (judging by popular vote splits). The media and socials have intentionally tipped the scales to make us feel otherwise. When you hear 90% negative reporting on Trump for 2017 that means something and isn't organic. FB had a whole team to do the same in 2016. Twitter was caught "shadow banning." They want us to feel small, stupid, and insignificant and it works! It wouldn't be propaganda if it didn't. Then we ask why we're not organized! The level of negative psychology we're fighting here is massive. There's nothing sexy about being a Conservative or wanting small government. Very hard to promote a system where people pay their own bills and work. UNLESS we explain the merits and the hams of collectivism.
I've said before the country needs an amicable divorce (flame suit on but that's really the best solution for all involved IMHO).
This doesn't mean America is dead, and the other side knows this too which is why they won't stop at guns. China, Cuba, Russia, etc... They didn't just have to win the revolution but had to eliminate anyone who would advocate for better, bygone times.LIKE...BIG TIME
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I have a feeling shit is going to come to a head and it's not gonna be good for either side. We as gun owners will be demonized even more so than we are now. The Progressive Liberals will all cry "foul", point fingers at us and yell to the government, "SEE, I TOLD YOU SO!", even though we will likely be the ones in the right (at least that is what I hope). As we have seen in recent social media videos and posts, ANTIFA folks are not only prone to violence, but they are buying firearms. "IF" they get froggy enough to fire the first shot, it will likely not end well for them, but I pray it does not come to that. Something that Fmedges mentioned, we are our own worst enemies. If gun owners could put aside the petty BS differences and come to the common agreement we need to stand together, a lot would get accomplished. After these anti-gun, anti-Constitution, Progressive Liberal loonies no longer get the attention they are now, we can all go back to arguing about 9mm vs. .45 ACP, AR vs. AK, etc.
We are fighting an uphill battle. The media is not promoting our side in the least bit. Folks like us are being ignored by the media because we bring facts to the table. Any talking head that promotes gun control, abolishing the 2nd Amendment, all in the name of "saving the children" get news camera priority coverage. One of the girls at the "March for our Lives" rally actually vomited on camera and was cheered by the crowd. Teachers are using children to promote a political agenda and parents are allowing it. The children who are refusing to conform to the agenda are being punished. The ignorance that is being praised right now is truly appalling. The rapid decay of our society is the taboo topic which everyone seems to be avoiding like the plague.
OtterbatHellcat
03-28-2018, 19:10
The rapid decay of our society is the taboo topic which everyone seems to be avoiding like the plague.
Lately (last couple of years)...I'd use the word accelerated.
Anyone else see one of the survivors admitting in DC that they bullied the shooter?
https://youtu.be/arILTu8VuYU
Aloha_Shooter
03-29-2018, 06:52
What could gun owners do to be less divisive
Your whole response fails with the title. It's not gun owners being divisive (with the exception of open carry activists that insist on pushing their points KNOWING they're hitting hot buttons).
Great-Kazoo
03-29-2018, 08:26
Your whole response fails with the title. It's not gun owners being divisive (with the exception of open carry activists that insist on pushing their points KNOWING they're hitting hot buttons).
Unfortunately anytime a gun person tries discussing any type of gun legislation, they're called divisive.
CoGirl303
03-29-2018, 10:18
Anyone else see one of the survivors admitting in DC that they bullied the shooter?
https://youtu.be/arILTu8VuYU
she's a useless piece of shit. As far as I'm concerned she should be in the cell with him. She's just as culpable. She helped create this monster.
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she's a useless piece of shit. As far as I'm concerned she should be in the cell with him. She's just as culpable. She helped create this monster.
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Careful with that "logic". Very, very slippery slope.
Your whole response fails with the title. It's not gun owners being divisive (with the exception of open carry activists that insist on pushing their points KNOWING they're hitting hot buttons).
Specifically in regards to these kids, gun owners are by and large being divisive and resorting to calling the kids names and mocking them, rather than attempting any form of discussion.
Specifically in regards to these kids, gun owners are by and large being divisive and resorting to calling the kids names and mocking them, rather than attempting any form of discussion.Because they are so open to any form of discussion? Please.
I'm not saying it's right to stoop to their level, but isn't name calling and mockery the hallmark of the left?
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But Gun owners are divisive!
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Uh, huh. [Loads another PMAG, donates another $20 to GOA, and sips Coffee]
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Sounds like this brian garvey fellow is a real peach.
Peace loving, tolerant, caring humanitarian by any measure.
ETA: But apparently, according to his rhetoric, the "NRA types" are the lunatics...
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Brian Garvey sure is after a rough peace...
Let a conservative post a diatribe like that about libs, and they would soon be receiving a knock on their door.
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I don't know why I can't let this go....
The sad (funny?) thing about this is that brian garvey is advocating for LE/gov to do the dirty deed. Won't claim any ownership to do it himself (God forbid), and the shitbag was probably railing against those very same LE and gov 6 months ago in his posts.
Pathetic
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hollohas
03-29-2018, 18:52
Specifically in regards to these kids, gun owners are by and large being divisive and resorting to calling the kids names and mocking them, rather than attempting any form of discussion.Oh come on. Hogg is by all appearances the main face of this movement. He's 18 and no kid. He is the main spokesman behind the current movement to attack what many of us believe goes to the very foundation of our freedom and our country. He is attacking US. Both outright personal attacks on specific Republicans and overt attacks on people like us.
Hell, Laura Ingraham said he whined and the douchebag called for a boycott to which at least one advertiser already pulled away from her show. Seriously. The entitled little snowflake attacked a woman's livelyhood for no other reason than she accused him of whining. That's not some innocent kid speaking up. That's a tyrant wannabe.
He is fair game and deserves every bit of mockery he gets. If he had said his piece and went away to quietly lobby for gun control without attacking an entire demographic, then no one would be spending any time mocking him. But, mostly due to the lefties special interests propping him up with money and airtime, he feels empowered to attack us directly. He's not just some kid speaking up. Sorry, but he IS an enemy of freedom. Period. I'm not afraid to say that. He cannot just be left alone to freely attack a pretty darn important part of America.
CoGirl303
03-29-2018, 18:54
Careful with that "logic". Very, very slippery slope.
it's already a slippery slope.
example: As a truck driver, if I go off duty and say I drive down the street to the truck stop while on my thirty minute break and a drunk driver hits me and he dies in the accident...I'm going to prison because "I shouldn't have been there". I should have been off duty and parked taking my break and by liberal logic "I'd have never been in that spot at that time and said drunk would have hit a light pole, a median, gone into a ditch and still been alive. [emoji849]
edit: I have no issue with a pos bully going to prison for creating a monster.
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BPTactical
03-29-2018, 19:07
Specifically in regards to these kids, gun owners are by and large being divisive and resorting to calling the kids names and mocking them, rather than attempting any form of discussion.
Fuck that little Dorito headed cocksucker.
Read my sig line Ridge.
My Rights are not open for discussion when I have done nothing wrong.
Would that be an aids and Ebola soaked dorito, by chance?
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Fuck that little Dorito headed cocksucker.
Read my sig line Ridge.
My Rights are not open for discussion when I have done nothing wrong.
I agree. My point is that these kids are ignorant pawns being used by the left. Instead of just making them circle the wagons and get defensively aggressive, we reach out to them peacefully and instead offer to have a discussion where both parties can learn the thought process they go through, and find a middle ground we can branch out from.
hollohas
03-29-2018, 19:55
...we reach out to them peacefully and instead offer to have a discussion where both parties can learn the thought process they go through, and find a middle ground we can branch out from.
Laura Ingraham literally reached out to him today in her (needless) apology and invited him to talk. He not only rejected her offer he strengthened his calls for a boycott. They don't want a discussion! There is no middle ground for them. They want our submission.
I agree. My point is that these kids are ignorant pawns being used by the left. Instead of just making them circle the wagons and get defensively aggressive, we reach out to them peacefully and instead offer to have a discussion where both parties can learn the thought process they go through, and find a middle ground we can branch out from.
I'm afraid it's been well past that point for years. There are none so blind as hose who will not see, and all that.
I agree. My point is that these kids are ignorant pawns being used by the left. Instead of just making them circle the wagons and get defensively aggressive, we reach out to them peacefully and instead offer to have a discussion where both parties can learn the thought process they go through, and find a middle ground we can branch out from.
They are high on power and being listened to, egos massaged by the shadowy PTB, the adoration and fawning of supposed intellectuals and celebrity throwing money at their new pet cause, etc. You'd have more luck with a block party pig roast in downtown Kabul than getting them to listen to a single thing.
OtterbatHellcat
03-29-2018, 22:24
That is why when all of their utter and complete bullshit fails miserably, the rest of us will precisely exercise beating them at their game. At least, that's one part of the way I look at that.
Really the only other thing I can do is enhance my ability to be fully enabled to do so....when the time comes.
JohnnyDrama
03-30-2018, 07:36
They are high on power and being listened to, egos massaged by the shadowy PTB, the adoration and fawning of supposed intellectuals and celebrity throwing money at their new pet cause, etc. You'd have more luck with a block party pig roast in downtown Kabul than getting them to listen to a single thing.
It's called Look At ME (LAME) Syndrome. They don't care about the truth, who their friends are, or even their parents. As long as they are the center of attention, they are happy.
The "Kid's" Manifesto...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/commentisfree/2018/mar/23/parkland-students-manifesto-americas-gun-laws
After the massacre at our high school, our lives have changed forever – so we’re proposing these changes to halt mass shootings
March for Our Lives – live updates
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As a student publication, the Eagle Eye works to tell the stories of those who do not have a voice. Today, we are the ones who feel our voice must be elevated.
In the wake of the tragedy that occurred at our school on 14 February at Marjory Stoneman Douglas, our lives have changed beyond what we ever imagined. We, along with our publication, have been transformed. We will remain so for the rest of our lives.
We have a unique platform not only as student journalists, but also as survivors of a mass shooting. We are firsthand witnesses to the kind of devastation that gross incompetence and political inaction can produce. We cannot stand idly by as the country continues to be infected by a plague of gun violence that seeps into community after community, and does irreparable damage to the hearts and minds of the American people.
That’s why the Eagle Eye has come together and proposed these following changes to gun policy. We believe federal and state governments must put these in place to ensure that mass shootings and gun violence cease to be a staple of American culture.
We will be marching this Saturday, 24 March, for those that we loved and lost, and we write this in the hope that no other community or publication will ever have to do the same.
The changes we propose:
Ban semi-automatic weapons that fire high-velocity rounds
Civilians shouldn’t have access to the same weapons that soldiers do. That’s a gross misuse of the second amendment.
These weapons were designed for dealing death: not to animals or targets, but to other human beings. The fact that they can be bought by the public does not promote domestic tranquility. Rather, their availability puts us into the kind of danger faced by men and women trapped in war zones.
This situation reflects a failure of our government. It must be corrected to ensure the safety of those guaranteed the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
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Ban accessories that simulate automatic weapons
High-capacity magazines played a huge role in the shooting at our school. In only 10 minutes, 17 people were killed, and 17 others were injured. This is unacceptable.
That’s why we believe that bump stocks, high-capacity magazines and similar accessories that simulate the effect of military-grade automatic weapons should be banned.
In the 2017 shooting in Las Vegas, 58 people were killed and 851 others were injured. The gunman’s use of bump stocks enabled vast numbers of people to be hurt while gathered in one of the most iconic cities in America. If it can happen there, it can happen anywhere. That’s why action must be taken to take these accessories off the market.
Establish a database of gun sales and universal background checks
We believe that there should be a database recording which guns are sold in the United States, to whom, and of what caliber and capacity they are.
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Just as the department of motor vehicles has a database of license plates and car owners, the Department of Defense should have a database of gun serial numbers and gun owners. This data should be paired with infractions of gun laws, past criminal offenses and the status of the gun owner’s mental health and physical capability.
Together with universal background checks, this system would help law enforcement stop a potentially dangerous person before they commit a gun crime.
Change privacy laws to allow mental healthcare providers to communicate with law enforcement
As seen in the tragedy at our school, poor communication between mental healthcare providers and law enforcement may have contributed to a disturbed person with murderous tendencies and intentions entering a school and gunning down 17 people in cold blood.
We must improve this channel of communication. To do so, privacy laws should be amended. That will allow us to prevent people who are a danger to themselves or to others from purchasing firearms. That could help prevent tragedies such as the Parkland massacre.
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Close gun show and secondhand sales loopholes
Thanks to loopholes, people who otherwise wouldn’t be able to buy firearms are able to purchase them at gun shows and secondhand sales. The existence of these loopholes reflects the ineptitude of state and federal legislators.
If we are serious about preventing people from purchasing deadly weapons, we must monitor sales that take place at gun shows and on secondhand markets. This is especially urgent given the danger posed by mentally unstable and violent individuals armed with firearms.
Allow the CDC to make recommendations for gun reform
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention should be allowed to conduct research on the dangers of gun violence. The fact that they are currently prohibited from doing so undermines the first amendment. It also violates the rights of the American people.
It is hypocritical to rally people to protect the second amendment, while remaining silent on the ways that blocking research violates one of our most basic constitutional freedoms.
Raise the firearm purchase age to 21
In a few months from now, many of us will be turning 18. We will not be able to drink; we will not be able to rent a car. Most of us will still be living with our parents. We will not be able to purchase a handgun. And yet, we will be able to purchase an AR-15.
Why is it that we will be able to legally obtain a weapon that has the ability to fire over 150 rounds and kill 17 people in about six minutes? That is unacceptable. It makes no sense that to buy a handgun, you have to be 21, but a gun of mass destruction and devastation like the AR-15 can be purchased when one is just becoming an adult.
With the exception of those who are serving the United States in the military, the age to obtain any firearm must be raised to 21.
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Dedicate more funds to mental health research and professionals
Federal and state government should earmark more funds specifically for mental health services. Those with mental health issues, especially those who express aggressive, violent, suicidal and/or homicidal thoughts should have the opportunity to receive the help they need regardless of their economic status.
Schools specifically should receive more funds in order to hire more psychologists and guidance counselors who can aid students suffering from PTSD, depression and other debilitating mental illnesses.
Many of those who commit mass shootings suffer from these kinds of illnesses. It is essential that more funds be dedicated to mental health research.
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Increase funding for school security
We believe that schools should be given sufficient funds for school security and resource officers to protect and secure the entire campus. As a school of over 3,000 students, teachers and faculty, Marjory Stoneman Douglas high school was only supplied funds to hire one on-campus armed resource officer by the state.
Without backup, this officer’s hesitation proved to be disastrous and allowed for the senseless deaths of people who were killed on the third floor of the 1200 building.
Though this idea has been proposed in the past, these funds should not be appropriated from the already scarce funding for public education. Governments should find resources to secure the millions of children that attend public schools without taking away from the quality of education that is offered at these institutions.
The Eagle Eye is the newspaper of Marjory Stoneman Douglas high school. Editorial staff: Madyson Kravitz, Dara Rosen, Taylor Yon, Leni Steinhardt, Emma Dowd, Brianna Fisher, Zoe Gordon, Kyra Parrow, Carly Novell, Rebecca Schneid, Kevin Trejos, Suzanna Barna, Nikhita Nookala, Richard Doan, and Christy Ma
I notice that none of the "activists" are listed as school newspaper staff, but at least two of them are being paraded in front of us as "student journalists"...
And sure, let's just throw ALL our rights to the wind..
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BPTactical
03-30-2018, 12:02
Ban semi-automatic weapons that fire high-velocity rounds
Civilians shouldn’t have access to the same weapons that soldiers do. That’s a gross misuse of the second amendment.
These weapons were designed for dealing death: not to animals or targets, but to other human beings. The fact that they can be bought by the public does not promote domestic tranquility. Rather, their availability puts us into the kind of danger faced by men and women trapped in war zones.
Ban accessories that simulate automatic weapons
High-capacity magazines played a huge role in the shooting at our school. In only 10 minutes, 17 people were killed, and 17 others were injured. This is unacceptable.
That’s why we believe that bump stocks, high-capacity magazines and similar accessories that simulate the effect of military-grade automatic weapons should be banned.
Heller vs United States says: FUCK YOU
...and "high-capacity magazines" played no role in the shooting at your school. Another blatant lie.
What's a "high-velocity" round?
What soldiers use BCM, DD, Aero, etc?
Since when has the 2nd amendment ever been about target shooting or hunting? Never. Never ever ever.
Since when are 10-round magazines "high capacity"? That is in fact the size magazine the shooter used at Parkland. That he got so many was due to target saturation and short range shots. And, 10 round mags are in fact legal in the places that these fantastical theories have already been put into proven failure.
Bump stocks were not used at Parkland.
In other words, FAIL.
RblDiver
03-30-2018, 12:38
What's a "high-velocity" round?
Well, here's a high-velocity punch!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNtOI5RzCek
Great-Kazoo
03-30-2018, 12:40
Increase funding for school security
We believe that schools should be given sufficient funds for school security and resource officers to protect and secure the entire campus. As a school of over 3,000 students, teachers and faculty, Marjory Stoneman Douglas high school was only supplied funds to hire one on-campus armed resource officer by the state.
Without backup, this officer’s hesitation proved to be disastrous and allowed for the senseless deaths of people who were killed on the third floor of the 1200 building.
That should have been the first sentence in that piece of propaganda pile of shit.
I didn't highlight Without backup because there were other sheriffs on scene, who also stayed away from the threat.
I'm sure you can take out 17 people in 10 mins with other means too, should we ban planes, trains & automobiles, and that's just to start. Ok it was cute the kids had they're ill informed say now shut up and enroll in a real history class that's not taught by some whining liberal. Maybe then and only then will I even consider putting any merit into what a kid playing reporter would have to say.
But Gun owners are divisive!
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Uh, huh. [Loads another PMAG, donates another $20 to GOA, and sips Coffee]
I don't know why I can't let this go....
The sad (funny?) thing about this is that brian garvey is advocating for LE/gov to do the dirty deed. Won't claim any ownership to do it himself (God forbid), and the shitbag was probably railing against those very same LE and gov 6 months ago in his posts.
Pathetic
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That's what this is really about. Projecting violence against the American people. He makes the very case for 2A. People are doing something I don't like so let's criminalize and send LE after them. Yes he knows, and probably hopes, that some of those encounters would result in people being killed. It would serve as an example of how powerful he is!
They don't hate guns because they kill. They hate guns in our hands because it is an offense to their false authority and a barrier to progress. They'll have no problem using the guns they claim to hate against us.
It is difficult to effectively project violence against a population that is armed which is why the Founders gave us 2A. It becomes a massive span of control problem because things break down to 1:1. Much harder when the advocates of this violence are mostly unwilling/unable to get their hands dirty. They rely on organizations to do their political killing. The Brownshirt/lesser known Blackshirts/Cheka all had the power of fear because their victims were disarmed. They weren't operating 1:1, 1:1000+ was sufficient to install the new party/government. Once the new government was set up the killing could begin in earnest.
Once this mechanism is built and honed it will be unstoppable. Replace "guns" with the next verboten thing on their list. Replace "gun owners" with the next targeted group. There's no end to the people who will commit the crime of existing and the ways these Lib authoritarians can frighten people and suppress freedom.
This is also why they are using kids. Children don't have the ability to evaluate consequences. They simply don't understand how their advocacy will shape the world in which they must live. These children keep talking about their rights while demanding we make an already unaccountable master all powerful. It's nonsense.
Courtesy of Matt Bracken...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZkEPnRUQAAbpma.jpg:medium
CoGirl303
03-30-2018, 21:25
Despicable that not one student stood up for this kid. No one knows how to do the right thing. Kids aren't being taught to do the right thing. They'd rather be bystanders and egg on the bullying or video it (but at least the video can be used to document this crap). [emoji35]
Seeing this makes it difficult for me to give a damn when a school shooting happens. This behavior breeds it. You can see the hate, anger and resentment in that poor kids eyes. He wants to wreck them so bad for the way they treat him.
https://www.facebook.com/stopbully/videos/372516006561274/
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CoGirl303
03-30-2018, 21:52
David Hogg's anonymous reddit acct exposed. lol. Can't pass an SAT test to get into the school he wants. Guess that 4.25 gpa isnt worth a crap when you most likely plagiarized, copied, cheated and what not to get it....because I don't see how you get that good of grades but you can't pass an SAT test. [emoji849]
https://bluntforcetruth.com/news/exclusive-blp-confirms-david-hoggs-anonymous-reddit-account/
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BPTactical
03-30-2018, 22:03
Hmm, maybe the result of "Everybody passes" mentality?
Fudging the district numbers to get more federal dollars?
Reality is a bitch Dorito head.
His ramblings look like something a school shooter would write.
68Charger
03-31-2018, 08:25
David Hogg's anonymous reddit acct exposed. lol. Can't pass an SAT test to get into the school he wants. Guess that 4.25 gpa isnt worth a crap when you most likely plagiarized, copied, cheated and what not to get it....because I don't see how you get that good of grades but you can't pass an SAT test. [emoji849]
https://bluntforcetruth.com/news/exclusive-blp-confirms-david-hoggs-anonymous-reddit-account/
Who is he going to call to boycott for doxxing him?
GilpinGuy
03-31-2018, 08:32
This little prick.
These weapons were designed for dealing death: not to animals or targets, but to other human beings.
Exactly, you moron. I don't carry practically everywhere I go to spontaneously hunt or shoot targets. I carry in case I need to stop, maybe even kill, a scumbag who threatens me or my family. Suck it you pussy.
OtterbatHellcat
03-31-2018, 08:43
Thank you for bringing a smile to my face this morning, Gilpin Guy.
My guns are designed to stop predators. I don't care if they have 4 legs or 2, the guns work either way.
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BPTactical
03-31-2018, 08:54
There is an old saying my parents used when I spoke out of line:
"Children should be seen and not heard"
Excellent read:
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/mar/27/children-should-be-seen-and-not-heard/
All of my guns are for target practice. [Coffee]
All of my guns are for target practice. [Coffee]
As long as nobody makes themselves a target, nobody gets hurt.
There is an old saying my parents used when I spoke out of line:
"Children should be seen and not heard"
Excellent read:
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/mar/27/children-should-be-seen-and-not-heard/
https://i.imgur.com/GUs1x26.jpg
As long as nobody makes themselves a target, nobody gets hurt.
Shoot the target till it stops being a target.
This little prick.
Exactly, you moron. I don't carry practically everywhere I go to spontaneously hunt or shoot targets. I carry in case I need to stop, maybe even kill, a scumbag who threatens me or my family. Suck it you pussy.
Dude I owe you a beer
Whomever said we need to stop picking on these children...
In war, when a child points a gun at you, the child is a target that needs eliminating. In the war of ideas, this rule applies, destroy the child and their idea.
The enemy uses children to make you hesitate or temper your reaction. Don't fall for it, eliminate the threat by any means necessary, even if it means sinking to their level.
I was just made aware of an article written by my niece's husband, whose family is from New Jersey. They weren't gun people, but they got some hands on education from the family and can now speak from experience rather than ignorance regarding guns.
He's a Social Psychology grad student and this article was picked up by Newsweek; Social Psychology Suggests “March for Our Lives” Is Unlikely to Change Anything. Here’s Why. (https://fee.org/articles/social-psychology-suggests-march-for-our-lives-is-unlikely-to-change-anything-here-s-why/)
He has another article regarding Does Celebrity Culture Contribute to Mass Violence? (https://fee.org/articles/does-celebrity-culture-contribute-to-mass-violence/)
I thought they were interesting.
To those that think that bullying causes these events, I have news: Kids have bullied other kids and been bullied for as long as people have lived together in groups. What has changed in the last 50 years is that we started punishing kids for pushing back. it used to be that bullied kids would eventually get fed up and poke the bully in the nose. Everybody learned something in the process. The bully learned that it hurts when you get popped in the nose, the kid that got tormented learned that they could stand up for their self. I know, because I was the kid that got his ass teased and tormented, right up until 9th grade. The difference now is that if there's a fight, everyone gets suspended or expelled, so kids bottle up their anger and frustration until they literally explode, and they figure if they're going to be punished, they might as well go all the way. In the age of "zero tolerance", the school systems have removed a vital pressure relief system, and have reaped the results.
This idiot will commit suicide within 2 years. He isn’t ready for what he has been pushed into. He is another statistic and doesn’t know it yet.
Great-Kazoo
03-31-2018, 22:41
IF this kid was some internet Trump supporter the left would say .....He looks like a typical Aryan Nation Trumptard. YET when called out for his anti-gun stance. He's just a kid who's being bullied by adults.
To those that think that bullying causes these events, I have news: Kids have bullied other kids and been bullied for as long as people have lived together in groups. What has changed in the last 50 years is that we started punishing kids for pushing back. it used to be that bullied kids would eventually get fed up and poke the bully in the nose. Everybody learned something in the process. The bully learned that it hurts when you get popped in the nose, the kid that got tormented learned that they could stand up for their self. I know, because I was the kid that got his ass teased and tormented, right up until 9th grade. The difference now is that if there's a fight, everyone gets suspended or expelled, so kids bottle up their anger and frustration until they literally explode, and they figure if they're going to be punished, they might as well go all the way. In the age of "zero tolerance", the school systems have removed a vital pressure relief system, and have reaped the results.
Excellent analysis, sir.
To those that think that bullying causes these events, I have news: Kids have bullied other kids and been bullied for as long as people have lived together in groups. What has changed in the last 50 years is that we started punishing kids for pushing back. it used to be that bullied kids would eventually get fed up and poke the bully in the nose. Everybody learned something in the process. The bully learned that it hurts when you get popped in the nose, the kid that got tormented learned that they could stand up for their self. I know, because I was the kid that got his ass teased and tormented, right up until 9th grade. The difference now is that if there's a fight, everyone gets suspended or expelled, so kids bottle up their anger and frustration until they literally explode, and they figure if they're going to be punished, they might as well go all the way. In the age of "zero tolerance", the school systems have removed a vital pressure relief system, and have reaped the results.
This was my experience, but my experience was less than 50 years ago. It was about in the 40 year range.
To those that think that bullying causes these events, I have news: Kids have bullied other kids and been bullied for as long as people have lived together in groups. What has changed in the last 50 years is that we started punishing kids for pushing back. it used to be that bullied kids would eventually get fed up and poke the bully in the nose. Everybody learned something in the process. The bully learned that it hurts when you get popped in the nose, the kid that got tormented learned that they could stand up for their self. I know, because I was the kid that got his ass teased and tormented, right up until 9th grade. The difference now is that if there's a fight, everyone gets suspended or expelled, so kids bottle up their anger and frustration until they literally explode, and they figure if they're going to be punished, they might as well go all the way. In the age of "zero tolerance", the school systems have removed a vital pressure relief system, and have reaped the results.
While I do agree on that, i also think a big change is kids and social media. Bullied kids used to get away from most of it when school got out. Now, with smart phones and social media, kids have to place to get away from the HS crap. Loners are constantly reminded how alone they are when browsing social media, easy to bully online that would never happen in person (e thugs), etc. Social media is very dangerous and kids shouldnt be on there, IMO.
Great-Kazoo
04-01-2018, 08:54
While I do agree on that, i also think a big change is kids and social media. Bullied kids used to get away from most of it when school got out. Now, with smart phones and social media, kids have to place to get away from the HS crap. Loners are constantly reminded how alone they are when browsing social media, easy to bully online that would never happen in person (e thugs), etc. Social media is very dangerous and kids shouldnt be on there, IMO.
Yet instead of blocking such items, they as others do check them on a daily? basis. Did my social standing improve or take a bigger dive? How many likes did i get this hour, etc.
IMO part of that lies on the parent[s] shoulders. Does their child actually need a cell phone while in school, at home? Should schools have each student keep their phone in a box on the teachers desk, each with their name on it.
Remember when the family unit use to talk at the table, or at home when cell phones were not there. Take a look around when you go to dinner, movies, shopping. Who knows how many people have their face and thumbs buried on their phone.
Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it.
Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.
The rod and reproof give wisdom, but a child left to himself brings shame to his mother.
Folly is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline drives it far from him.
Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him.
Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. “Honor your father and mother” (this is the first commandment with a promise),
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"Bullying" is a feature of collectivism. Conformity, and the means to enforce it, are being taught to kids at a very young age. Diversity is no longer being a unique individual but part of an established identity group.
More collectivism = more bullying.
This is why it has changed since many of us grew up. So yes, many of us had to deal with bullies but not on a level like today. Add in absent parents and the only source of self-esteem is peer groups.
Social media is made for Libs by Libs. It is low information, promotes consumerism, easy to manipulate users with nudging techniques, and high school cliquish for superficial adults. Many I know who seriously use it have stopped because they've taken stock on how it makes them feel. Subjective, I know.
The socials were also created by intellectual children (no accountability, "maybe somebody dies"). So it's no surprise to me that the socials that are being used to create a culture of bullying.
No minor, bullied or not, should really be on the socials IMHO.
No minor, bullied or not, should really be on the socials IMHO.
LIKE. It's often toxic and detrimental to normal human development, but that also goes beyond minors IMNSHO.
hollohas
04-01-2018, 15:23
To those that think that bullying causes these events, I have news: Kids have bullied other kids and been bullied for as long as people have lived together in groups. What has changed in the last 50 years is that we started punishing kids for pushing back. it used to be that bullied kids would eventually get fed up and poke the bully in the nose.
My thoughts exactly.
DavieD55
04-01-2018, 17:25
That's what this is really about. Projecting violence against the American people. He makes the very case for 2A. People are doing something I don't like so let's criminalize and send LE after them. Yes he knows, and probably hopes, that some of those encounters would result in people being killed. It would serve as an example of how powerful he is!
They don't hate guns because they kill. They hate guns in our hands because it is an offense to their false authority and a barrier to progress. They'll have no problem using the guns they claim to hate against us.
It is difficult to effectively project violence against a population that is armed which is why the Founders gave us 2A. It becomes a massive span of control problem because things break down to 1:1. Much harder when the advocates of this violence are mostly unwilling/unable to get their hands dirty. They rely on organizations to do their political killing. The Brownshirt/lesser known Blackshirts/Cheka all had the power of fear because their victims were disarmed. They weren't operating 1:1, 1:1000+ was sufficient to install the new party/government. Once the new government was set up the killing could begin in earnest.
Once this mechanism is built and honed it will be unstoppable. Replace "guns" with the next verboten thing on their list. Replace "gun owners" with the next targeted group. There's no end to the people who will commit the crime of existing and the ways these Lib authoritarians can frighten people and suppress freedom.
This is also why they are using kids. Children don't have the ability to evaluate consequences. They simply don't understand how their advocacy will shape the world in which they must live. These children keep talking about their rights while demanding we make an already unaccountable master all powerful. It's nonsense.
Courtesy of Matt Bracken...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZkEPnRUQAAbpma.jpg:medium
Bingo! Excellent post.
BPTactical
04-02-2018, 07:44
Bingo! Excellent post.
No, it's a very chilling post.
StagLefty
04-02-2018, 08:07
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Remember when the family unit use to talk at the table, or at home when cell phones were not there. Take a look around when you go to dinner, movies, shopping. Who knows how many people have their face and thumbs buried on their phone.
Spent Easter Sunday with extended family and everyone including adults for the most part of the day were buried in a phone. I guess I'm out of the loop I didn't take a phone or tablet with me.Kinda planned on an actual visit with folks.
We have a basket for family get-togethers. The phones go in the basket when folks arrive.
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kidicarus13
04-02-2018, 12:07
They eat Tide pods dude.........they are obviously missing something in their thought process.They also snort condons...
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2018/04/02/teens-snort-condoms-then-pull-them-through-mouths-in-disturbing-new-trend.html
RblDiver
04-02-2018, 15:56
I was reading that just now too.
Kids: Eating cinnamon, tide pods, snorting condoms, but we totally should listen to them about gun control!
buffalobo
04-02-2018, 17:05
We also limit electronics at family functions.
Between church, a huge meal, learning to ride dirt bikes and burning through almost a 1000 rounds of .22, the minions never complained about the lack of electronics.
Most of them were asleep before dark.
The older minions also said they are getting tired of the joke that kids protesting has become. They stated that the majority were in because their friends were and most really have no clue about 2A.
They stated that the majority were in because their friends were and most really have no clue about 2A.
I'll venture to say that most folks in the pro gun control camp are speaking from a position of absolute ignorance, including the adults.
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BPTactical
04-02-2018, 18:08
They also snort condons...
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2018/04/02/teens-snort-condoms-then-pull-them-through-mouths-in-disturbing-new-trend.html
https://www.google.com/search?q=nothing+but+trouble+dan+aykroyd&client=ms-android-verizon&prmd=ivn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi82ZTX5pzaAhUM21MKHS51DDQQ_AUIESgB&biw=684&bih=332#imgrc=pw0Nb0flEBX8kM:
They also snort condons...
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2018/04/02/teens-snort-condoms-then-pull-them-through-mouths-in-disturbing-new-trend.html
Have I been using them wrong the whole time?
DavieD55
04-02-2018, 21:33
They also snort condons...
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2018/04/02/teens-snort-condoms-then-pull-them-through-mouths-in-disturbing-new-trend.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0Jx5W8JuVA
So now the kids at Parkland are complaining about how they have to have clear backpacks and how it violates their privacy. But it's ok to violate everyone else's rights, just as long it doesn't affect them. [emoji848]
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So now the kids at Parkland are complaining about how they have to have clear backpacks and how it violates their privacy. But it's ok to violate everyone else's rights, just as long it doesn't affect them. [emoji848]
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Does thou protest too much?
Sux when it's your rights being infringed upon.
BPTactical
04-04-2018, 05:45
So now the kids at Parkland are complaining about how they have to have clear backpacks and how it violates their privacy. But it's ok to violate everyone else's rights, just as long it doesn't affect them. [emoji848]
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Wait, it's OK for me to screw you but you can't screw me?
Liberalism 101
"Why are we being punished? We didn't do anything wrong."
-Students in Parkland and law abiding gun owners
So now the kids at Parkland are complaining about how they have to have clear backpacks and how it violates their privacy. But it's ok to violate everyone else's rights, just as long it doesn't affect them. [emoji848]
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Kids don’t have rights, they have privileges. Ok I guess they have SOME basic rights, but they don’t get to choose things like school dress codes, security measures, or what types of rights we should infringe....cuz they’re kids.
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Wisdom comes from life's experience. That's something that children, by definition, don't have.
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http://scontent.fapa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29695099_10214422573415385_4666342054025275618_n.j pg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=v1%3AAeHPvReuQ_gGH1LI9u15UI0oZEXMf-F09zkB8UAgHLXChQEQZsB6aHW-CM7J7Aachw7qgt2tqk31E9nnVxeM4F2tSDhlMKv6wbEVNFIf7k 3Z5w&oh=42b7ae94e4816da54407599075cbaa9e&oe=5B66D797
Oh, damn. That's funny. [LOL]
Now that I think about it, maybe add Midol to the list.
Aloha_Shooter
04-04-2018, 21:25
http://scontent.fapa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29695099_10214422573415385_4666342054025275618_n.j pg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=v1%3AAeHPvReuQ_gGH1LI9u15UI0oZEXMf-F09zkB8UAgHLXChQEQZsB6aHW-CM7J7Aachw7qgt2tqk31E9nnVxeM4F2tSDhlMKv6wbEVNFIf7k 3Z5w&oh=42b7ae94e4816da54407599075cbaa9e&oe=5B66D797
That's great! Should probably add Babys 'R Us and the CPUSA to that mix
Unsuccessful
04-06-2018, 10:14
Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it.
Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.
The rod and reproof give wisdom, but a child left to himself brings shame to his mother.
Folly is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline drives it far from him.
Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him.
Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. “Honor your father and mother” (this is the first commandment with a promise),
Happy Easter everyone. All we can do is raise up our kids right, and push for better school policies that reinforce good behavior.
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Almost like there was a self help/how to be a better person/ marriage counseling/ parenting/ future prediction/ how to book written a long time ago
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March For Our Lives Raised Nearly All Funding From Secret Six-Figure Donations (https://freebeacon.com/politics/march-for-our-lives-raised-nearly-all-funding-from-secret-six-figure-donations/)
The gun-control group responsible for a 2018 march on Washington, D.C., raised the vast majority of its funds from undisclosed donations over six figures, a recently released tax document shows.
The March For Our Lives Action Fund, a 501(c)(4) "social welfare" organization launched in the aftermath of the deadly 2018 shootings at Florida's Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, is bankrolled almost entirely by large donations in excess of $100,000. The group reported $17,879,150 in contributions and grants over the course of 2018, its first year of operations. Ninety-five percent of those contributions came from 36 donations between $100,000 and $3,504,717?a grand total of $16,922,331.
The group's reliance on a small number of large donations raises questions about its ability to turn rally-goers and supporters into donors. It also provides ammunition to gun-rights activists who have long cast the gun-control movement as driven not by grassroots supporters, but by billionaire benefactors like Michael Bloomberg.
The group's 990 tax form shows another 38 donations totaling between $5,000 and $100,000, which together accounted for an additional $876,114 of revenue. The remainder, just 0.5 percent of total receipts, came from those giving less than $5,000.
While March For Our Lives is not required to disclose its donors under federal law, some businessmen and Hollywood celebrities vowed to provide generous contributions for the group's 2018 march on Washington, D.C. Salesforce CEO Marc Benioff and billionaire businessman Eli Broad both gave $1,000,000, two of six donors to do so. George Clooney and wife Amal Clooney gave $500,000, as did fashion company Gucci.
The group's spending went primarily toward its March 24, 2018, march on Washington, D.C., which garnered several hundred thousand attendees and featured speakers pushing for new gun bans and magazine limits. The event cemented March For Our Lives as one of the most prominent and radical gun-control groups in the country. The group has since called for confiscating up to 117 million firearms from Americans as part of its highly publicized "A Peace Plan for a Safer America."
The final cost for the group's 2018 march was $7.8 million. $4.7 million appears to have gone to Harbinger LLC, a D.C.-based marketing agency, for production services. The group later embarked on a 24-state, 60-day, $4 million summer tour to educate and register young voters.
An additional $3.8 million was put toward gun-control advocacy efforts, which were "instrumental in ensuring the passage of over 50 pieces of gun violence legislation, at the state and federal level," the forms claim.
Travel grants were also cut by the nonprofit to roughly 20 organizations, including the Center for American Progress, National Urban League, InspireNOLA Charter Schools, and the PICO National Network. The PICO National Network, which has since changed its name to Faith in Action, has worked in conjunction with liberal groups like the Center for Popular Democracy to quietly target Republican politicians up for election.
Millions more were spent on independent contractors. Soze Productions Inc., a New York-based group, was paid $1.6 million for tours and production services. Michael Skolnik?liberal activist and founding partner of the Soze Agency, which works with numerous left-wing political organizations?is listed as the CEO of Soze Productions by New York state business records.
Other groups receiving money included Hand in Hand Inc., a Los Angeles-based company with practically no online presence, which was paid $1.25 million for production services. California business records show the group was launched in June 2018 and is led by Hollywood producer Evan Prager. Law firm Loeb & Loeb LLP was paid $932,000 for legal services; the group finished 2018 with $2.4 million in assets. K2 Intelligence LLC, a New York-based investigative and cyber defense company, was paid $2.1 million for security services.
March For Our Lives did not immediately respond to a request for comment on this story.
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