SQUIB Round Input Needed

[powerstroke79]

Had my first Squib round Sunday, also had my second squib round right after the first. Both where out of Glocks. First was in a conversion barrel for a glock 23. Second was a factory Glock 17. I got home and pulled 7 rounds and the charges wear +/- 10th of a grain, coal are with in .005 Out of the 7 i pulled the Taperd crimp was at .376-.377

Forgot to include can not say if the first round had powder in it but I know there was powder in the second round. ( This is why i thought it was a under charge) I was very observant after the first. I did get 5 or 6 pieces of extruded powder that was a yellow color

load info
Power Pistol 5.7 gn
Case mixed
Xtreme 124gr RN
Coal 1.150

Squib rounds Right went 3/4 the way down a Glock 17 barrel, left went 1/2 down glock 23 conv barrel
https://i.imgur.com/2eUorO9l.jpg

Squib Primers
https://i.imgur.com/1JXXiatl.jpg

Squib Cases
https://i.imgur.com/QpjUEaHl.jpg

2 on the right squib 2 on the left are Factory
https://i.imgur.com/nAmul7ol.jpg

2 on the right squib 2 on the left are facrory
https://i.imgur.com/66vOUBol.jpg

Factory primed cases
https://i.imgur.com/iDXp6Y8l.jpg

Factory inside case
https://i.imgur.com/Or6KCY3l.jpg

[bobbyfairbanks]

Well you didn’t put powder into the case what did you need to know?

[Joe_K]

And it is posts like this that remind me why I don’t reload, glad you didn’t experience a Ka-Boom! Those are no fun.


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[thedave1164]

I tend to agree that those had no powder

[Irving]

I had a squib once and it was also probably because I didn't put powder inside.

[Little Dutch]

The primer alone can be enough to push the bullet into the barrel. I agree that you had two without powder in them.

[Irving]

The cases are probably so dirty because the bullet blocked all the gasses from escaping down the barrel like usual. Less gas sure, but only dirty primer crud.

[rondog]

I ruined two 1911 barrels in one day with squibs. Bullet got stuck and didn't know it, then fired a second bullet into it. Twice. Two different guns. Same day. Made my ass red.

Turned out my grandson had been watching me load, and decided to "help Grandpa out" by making me a few more, when I wasn't around. But I had turned off the powder measure. After that, I started wrapping a bike cable around the damn press and locking it. This was when he was little, he's 21 now.

[Irving]

I ruined two 1911 barrels in one day with squibs. Bullet got stuck and didn't know it, then fired a second bullet into it. Twice. Two different guns. Same day. Made my ass red.

Turned out my grandson had been watching me load, and decided to "help Grandpa out" by making me a few more, when I wasn't around. But I had turned off the powder measure. After that, I started wrapping a bike cable around the damn press and locking it. This was when he was little, he's 21 now.

Punch him in the stomach the next time you see him. When he asks what the hell that was for, you can show him this thread and tell him you've been waiting for years. Heh.

[powerstroke79]

Well you didn’t put powder into the case what did you need to know?

That was my first thought, or a light charge. I do a visual inspection of powder it the cases before a bullet is seated. Every 10th round i do a weight check. Would like some input on my taperd crimp, here are the 7 i pulled. To light to heavy ?
Lack of powder or no powder the resone for the different in primer strike marks?

https://i.imgur.com/hue4NWul.jpg

[Irving]

Looks like you can barely see a line, so I doubt it's heavy enough to cause you a problem. You really only need to crimp enough to remove the bell. I think you're fine. Others may chime in.

[powerstroke79]

Looks like you can barely see a line, so I doubt it's heavy enough to cause you a problem. You really only need to crimp enough to remove the bell. I think you're fine. Others may chime in.

Thanks for the input. From what I have read that is all the crimp is really intended to do.

[powerstroke79]

Pulled 10 more cases. Weigh each case with primer, bullet and charge then added them together. I was any where between 190gn-195gn total. Depending on the manufacturer of the brass. Extreme bullet did have a small variable weight. As for the charge was right at 5.6 avg (did have one @5.3gr)
So my thought is to weigh every round from that reloading lot and any round under 190gn or over 195gn I will pull and weigh.

[Irving]

I think that's a good idea, especially since you had two, instead of just one. What are you loading on? A lot easier to load a bunch without powder on a progressive than a turret or single stage.

[DenverGP]

with such a small charge weight, you would not be able to catch all the squib loads. In my small sampling of misc clean 9mm cases (with spent primers), I got a variation from about 58-66gr. So a case on the heavier side with no powder could end up heavier than a light case with correct powder.

Possibly if you sorted by case head stamps, then you'd see less variation, but I still wouldn't bet my gun or my hand on it.

edit: did some more weighing of cleaned cases.... sorted piles of cases that were over 64gr, and cases that were under 60gr.... a bunch of the heavy ones were Blazer, but then I found that one of the blazer cases identically marked to the others only weighed 59.4gr.

[powerstroke79]

I think that's a good idea, especially since you had two, instead of just one. What are you loading on? A lot easier to load a bunch without powder on a progressive than a turret or single stage.

Dillon square B

[powerstroke79]

with such a small charge weight, you would not be able to catch all the squib loads. In my small sampling of misc clean 9mm cases (with spent primers), I got a variation from about 58-66gr. So a case on the heavier side with no powder could end up heavier than a light case with correct powder.

Possibly if you sorted by case head stamps, then you'd see less variation, but I still wouldn't bet my gun or my hand on it.

edit: did some more weighing of cleaned cases.... sorted piles of cases that were over 64gr, and cases that were under 60gr.... a bunch of the heavy ones were Blazer, but then I found that one of the blazer cases identically marked to the others only weighed 59.4gr.

I understand what you are saying, out of 300rnd there where 50 or so that where under the 190gn. Out of 25 that i have pulled had one at 5.3gr and the rest where 5.6-5.7

[powerstroke79]

Forgot to include can not say if the first round had powder in it but I know there was powder in the second round. ( This is why i thought it was a under charge) I was very observant after the first. I did get 5 or 6 pieces of extruded powder that was a yellow color

[gta_spec]

I have a policy of looking at every case for a powder charge before setting the projectile. This may seem like an unnessassery step, but with a $15 endoscope camera, you can see powder in every case without too much hassle.

[20X11]

My rules to avoid squib pistol loads on a progressive press (MINE, MINE alone)
1) Always start with clean brass that has been dried for at least 2 weeks ( I wet tumble)
2) No beverages any where near the bench
3) No TV, No Radio, no distractions, wife put on notice I will not be disturbed
4) No company, helpers, or observers
5) No Cell Phone
6) Minimum of 5 station press so I have a powder cop die after powder drop and can seat and crimp on separate stations

Again MY rules...YMMV

[powerstroke79]

I have a policy of looking at every case for a powder charge before setting the projectile. This may seem like an unnessassery step, but with a $15 endoscope camera, you can see powder in every case without too much hassle.

I always looks to see if there is powder in the case before setting a bullet on top. Not saying I couldnt miss one but, dammit I'm pissed at my self. I will be weigh every charge from now on. I really think it was a light charge weather then a no charge

[powerstroke79]

My rules to avoid squib pistol loads on a progressive press (MINE, MINE alone)
1) Always start with clean brass that has been dried for at least 2 weeks ( I wet tumble)
2) No beverages any where near the bench
3) No TV, No Radio, no distractions, wife put on notice I will not be disturbed
4) No company, helpers, or observers
5) No Cell Phone
6) Minimum of 5 station press so I have a powder cop die after powder drop and can seat and crimp on separate stations

Again MY rules...YMMV

Some very good rule. I also wet tumble. I dry I. The oven at 250f for 30 min then also let set for 24 hours before I reload them.

[DenverGP]

I have a policy of looking at every case for a powder charge before setting the projectile. This may seem like an unnessassery step, but with a $15 endoscope camera, you can see powder in every case without too much hassle.

I've seen these on amazon, was thinking of getting one as a cheap borescope, hadn't thought of using it on the reloading press.... be kinda cool, you could have it recording, and if you saved the recordings, you could review the reloading video to see if you can spot where an issue occurred.

[Great-Kazoo]

I've seen these on amazon, was thinking of getting one as a cheap borescope, hadn't thought of using it on the reloading press.... be kinda cool, you could have it recording, and if you saved the recordings, you could review the reloading video to see if you can spot where an issue occurred.

That doesn't solve a no or low powder charge when there's 20-30 already in the finished round bin.


I do what 20X11 does, since i've had more than 1 low or no powder round from not paying attention or get distracted. The 650's while nice for higher volume (case feeder) use, have low powder sensor station, since each handle pull sends brass to next station.

[O2HeN2]

Possibly a completely different problem, these look like like the gun's unlocking way too soon and the firing pin is still protruding through the breechface as the barrel is unlocking, causing the firing pin to literally be dragged up through the primer cup material (towards the rim). Do you have a long firing pin installed ? Any other mods to the firearm?

https://i.imgur.com/iDXp6Y8l.jpg

[MarkCO]

I had a squib once and it was also probably because I didn't put powder inside.

I have had three, all were factory ammo.

[powerstroke79]

Possibly a completely different problem, these look like like the gun's unlocking way too soon and the firing pin is still protruding through the breechface as the barrel is unlocking, causing the firing pin to literally be dragged up through the primer cup material (towards the rim). Do you have a long firing pin installed ? Any other mods to the firearm?

https://i.imgur.com/iDXp6Y8l.jpg

Factory glock firing. Only mod is a " - " trigger bar and a polish job. The 2 in that pic are Factory Federal 115gr FMJ

[Great-Kazoo]

I have had three, all were factory ammo.

Had 1 thursday with PMC x39 jsp round. Clearly no powder by the look of bullet and case.

[powerstroke79]

I have pulled every round from that lot. I will weigh ever charge on all new reloading session.

[Irving]

I have pulled every round from that lot. I will weigh ever charge on all new reloading session.

I don't want to discourage safety, but if you do this, reloading will not be realistic for pistol.

[Great-Kazoo]

I have pulled every round from that lot. I will weigh ever charge on all new reloading session.

Just pay closer attention with no outside distractions. Including cell phone.

You start weighing every round for pistol, you'll go crazy if and when you see .2 gr variance. Might even step away from reloading as a result.


I don't want to discourage safety, but if you do this, reloading will not be realistic for pistol.

True.

[Hoser]

If you spend some time polishing the bowl and moving parts of your Dillon powder measure it will throw very accurately and consistently. Just slow up your loading a touch and verify before placing a bullet on there that the powder is good. A buddy on mine had a SDB and it seems like a solid press.

As already stated above, zero distractions while reloading. I have a pretty nice reloading room full of mostly automated stuff. No radio, TV, cell phone, kids, ect.

[O2HeN2]

No radio, TV, cell phone, kids, ect.
I have a friend who used to joke (you need to picture the old tube TVs to get the joke): "The best thing about having a TV on the reloading bench is that it gives you a place to put your drink and ash tray!" :)

I'll play music that has no lyrics while relaoding, but that's it.

O2