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Gman
03-31-2018, 19:38
Chinese college student to be deported after buying guns (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/chinese-college-student-to-be-deported-after-buying-guns/ar-AAvjIcI)

A Chinese college student who made no threats but had alarmed a roommate and a friend with his behavior and bought two semiautomatic rifles will be deported for an unrelated visa issue, University of Central Florida police said Thursday.

Police at the Orlando school said they were first alerted by a campus official in late January that Wenliang Sun, 26, was a "student of concern," UCF police Chief Richard Beary said.

Campus police received information that Sun had altered his appearance and his behavior was changing, the chief said. They contacted the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and were told Sun owned an AR-15-style rifle and ammunition.

"We know that in today's world that a person in distress who owns a high-powered firearm, we just cannot ignore that," Beary said. "We have a duty and an obligation to make sure our people are safe."

There was "red flag after red flag," that something bad would happen, he added.

Those red flags, the chief said, included Sun being uncommunicative with others and not leaving his room, dying his hair blond, paying for a fast expensive car with cash, and referring to one of his guns as a "sniper rifle."

Beary said Sun also went to a gun range to practice with his rifle and also wouldn't return calls from authorities when they tried to notify him his immigration status was subject to change.

But the chief acknowledged there were no comments in interviews or in reviews of his electronic devices that Sun was planning to harm anyone.

"That's the interesting thing in this case, there were no specific threats. Reiterating that, there were no threats," Beary said.

The chief said the red flags looked at separately might not mean much but when all of them were considered collectively they were concerning.

"I think there was a disaster about to happen and we stopped it," the chief said.

CNN has not yet determined whether Sun has a lawyer.

Banned for not going to class

Sun's non-immigrant student status was revoked when federal authorities learned he wasn't going to class. As an international student, he was required to do so in order to maintain his visa.

Sun is at a US Immigration and Customs Enforcement holding facility in Macclenny, Florida, according to ICE.

"Under normal circumstances, it probably would not have moved that quickly," an official with Homeland Security said. "He probably would've been placed on notice, and we would have issued him a notice to appear, indicating that he would need to go before an immigration judge in order to deal with his status, or lack thereof."

The official said he didn't know when Sun would be deported.

Sun buys second gun after police visit

When UCF police first heard of Sun's changing behavior, they asked the Orange County Sheriff's Department to go by his off-campus apartment and speak with him.

A slide at the UCF news conference Thursday said no law enforcement action was taken during that January 24 visit.

But campus police received more information and stepped up their investigation of Sun, who was in the second semester of a non-degree program.

Sun wouldn't come out of his room except to eat or do laundry and wouldn't talk to others, his roommate told detectives, according to a police report. Sun also once brought a rifle out of his room, prompting the roommate to report the violation of apartment rules to management.

On February 2 investigators asked Sun if he ever thought of harming himself or anyone else. Sun told the detective "No, never."

Police asked Sun if he would give them his LWRC International 300 Blackout rifle for safekeeping, but the student said no. Sun said the gun was in a storage facility, according to a police report.

As campus police monitored his activities, Sun bought another rifle, a .308 caliber Ruger Precision.

Beary said Sun's recent purchase of a nearly $70,000 Corvette with cash and hair color change were suspicious.

However, police could not detain Sun or take the firearms from him because he had purchased them legally. So they sought help from federal agencies.

Sun was taken into custody February 7 after his immigration status changed and his possession of firearms was illegal, officials said.

On March 21 a federal judge ruled he should be sent home. Sun is not allowed to return to the United States for 10 years.

CNN reached out to the Chinese Consulate in Houston, which has jurisdiction over Chinese citizen affairs in Florida, but it did not immediately respond to CNN's questions about Sun's case.

Other UCF students who own guns shouldn't be concerned, Beary said. He said this case was about patterns and behaviors. The totality of Sun's actions showed he was in crisis, the chief added.
Be careful if you have an AR in .300 Blackout or .308. They're apparently "[FONT=&amp]heavy-duty military-style rifles".

How did the BATFE know he also had ammo?

CS1983
03-31-2018, 20:10
Sounds like a typical exchange student, rich-boi Asian with crappy roommates to me.

thedave1164
03-31-2018, 22:09
Hogg applied to UCF and was rejected LOL

Gman
03-31-2018, 22:32
Hogg applied to UCF and was rejected LOL
I hear they have a new opening for a troublemaker.

Aloha_Shooter
03-31-2018, 22:54
Hogg applied to UCF and was rejected LOL

It takes talent to get a rejection from UCF ...

Irving
04-01-2018, 00:10
Those are literally the only to find I have. :(

MrPrena
04-01-2018, 01:52
Unfortunately, after 98 or 99, non immigrant visa guys cannot own a firearm.




Sounds like a typical exchange student, rich-boi Asian with crappy roommates to me.

^
My guess is you went to USC or UCI.


University of Spoiled Chinese
University of Chinese International-Student.

:D

CoGirl303
04-01-2018, 02:02
potential red flags but nothing concrete. no threats or stated desires to harm anyone.

Having been in an apt complex that banned guns when I was in college (not on campus but nearby) in Tennessee, I had a roommate report me to the office for simply cleaning my handgun on the coffee table. Idiot had pot in his room so that didn't work out too well for him in the long run though.

The apt complex said I had to keep it in my car or take it to a friends house and leave it there regardless of having a carry permit. It was in the contract (of course in very tiny print in section in the back of page 4 or 5). While I verbally agreed to do so, I always threw it in my backpack and brought it in and out anyways and kept it to myself from that point on. That complex was crime ridden and the same roomie that reported me for my gun got held up at gun point at an ATM across the street, go figure. The criminals did end up getting caught.

So was there circumstantial evidence in this case of Sun? maybe. more than likely coincidental, but it is irrelevant because he was in violation of his school visa and wasn't doing what he was supposed to be doing or holding up his part of the bargain that he agreed to by going to school.


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bellavite1
04-01-2018, 06:34
Remember Yamamoto's quote about a land invasion in the US?
If I had a tinfoil hat...
Wolverines!!! [Coffee]
(let's see what kind of conspiracy theory can be started here, trolling maybe fun, after all)

Great-Kazoo
04-01-2018, 08:56
Remember Yamamoto's quote about a land invasion in the US?
If I had a tinfoil hat...
Wolverines!!! [Coffee]
(let's see what kind of conspiracy theory can be started here, trolling maybe fun, after all)

Well the Chinese space station is scheduled to burn out, somewhere over the U.S. Shades of the Andromeda Strain...... :[)

bellavite1
04-01-2018, 09:05
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/005/848/Aliens.jpg

def90
04-01-2018, 09:11
OK.. A crazy guy commits a mass shooting and the FBI and local police "miss" obvious red flags and the internet goes wild saying that the cops should have done something.. The cops do something when they see potential red flags and the internet goes crazy saying that he has yet to commit a crime and this is tyranny..

So.. Which is it?

Aloha_Shooter
04-01-2018, 09:23
1. Sun's not a citizen. We get the right to be safe before sorry in his case.
2. Sun repeatedly called his rifle a "sniper rifle".
3. Sun stopped going to class, reinforcing a pattern of behavior.

I don't have a problem with the Feds acting preemptively in this case. They SHOULD have acted preemptively when they got the 6th or 12th or 20th (much less 40th) report on Cruz.

Rucker61
04-01-2018, 09:25
Unfortunately, after 98 or 99, non immigrant visa guys cannot own a firearm.





^
My guess is you went to USC or UCI.


University of Spoiled Chinese
University of Chinese International-Student.

:D

Just visited the campus of UCI. So many brunettes. I checked on the demographics just to satisfy my curiosity - Asian-Americans and non-resident aliens (Chinese and other Asian students) were well over 50% of the student population. Those who identify as White were just under 15% of the population. We were only there a few hours, but I saw no mixed race couples.

bellavite1
04-01-2018, 09:34
It is a CONSPIRACY!
They are jealous!
They want to destroy us!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnP_mZAv8gE

izzy
04-01-2018, 09:35
Not the dreaded blond hair die!

Big E3
04-01-2018, 10:13
I’m thinking a Chinese college kid that’s dyes his hair blond and buys a Corvette is just trying to get laid. So, dying your hair and buying a new car with cash puts you on the radar. I’m thinking they may be closely watching the real house wives of Beverly Hills as potential terrorists.

Gman
04-01-2018, 10:31
They were trying to get him earlier, but due process stopped law enforcement from acting. As soon as he violated his Visa requirements, they moved in. The takeaway I had from this, is that they're claiming to have stopped a mass casualty event by preemptive action. If they weren't limited by due process and acted preemptively on a regular basis, would they pat themselves on the back every time for preventing something that rarely happens? This is like a lame version of Minority Report.

CS1983
04-01-2018, 11:44
OK.. A crazy guy commits a mass shooting and the FBI and local police "miss" obvious red flags and the internet goes wild saying that the cops should have done something.. The cops do something when they see potential red flags and the internet goes crazy saying that he has yet to commit a crime and this is tyranny..

So.. Which is it?

How exactly is acting like a spoiled rich boi of Beijing a warning sign to a mass shooting? Had he made threats? Was he demonstrating self-destructive behavior?
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Aloha -- how does referring to a rifle as a sniper rifle pop as a red flag? I realize that in due deference to actual snipers and connotations thereof, many competitions cast themselves as "precision" and not "sniper", but let's be honest...

brutal
04-01-2018, 12:31
Unfortunately, after 98 or 99, non immigrant visa guys cannot own a firearm.





^
My guess is you went to USC or UCI.


University of Spoiled Chinese
University of Chinese International-Student.

:D

Then how was he allowed to possess them in the first place?

Your statement is false, please don't post untrue statements if you're unsure.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-nonimmigrant-alien-who-has-been-admitted-united-states-under-nonimmigrant-visa

May a nonimmigrant alien who has been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa possess a firearm or ammunition in the United States?
An alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa is prohibited from shipping, transporting, receiving, or possessing a firearm or ammunition unless the alien falls within one of the exceptions provided in 18 U.S.C. 922(y)(2), such as: a valid hunting license or permit, admitted for lawful hunting or sporting purposes, certain official representatives of a foreign government, or a foreign law enforcement officer of a friendly foreign government entering the United States on official law enforcement business.

[18 U.S.C. 922(g)(5)(B) and 922(y)(2); 27 CFR 478.11 and 478.32]

Last Reviewed June 7, 2016

wctriumph
04-01-2018, 12:54
I have the same question as the OP:

How does the BATFE know that he had a AR-15 and ammo?

def90
04-01-2018, 13:15
How exactly is acting like a spoiled rich boi of Beijing a warning sign to a mass shooting? Had he made threats? Was he demonstrating self-destructive behavior?
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Aloha -- how does referring to a rifle as a sniper rifle pop as a red flag? I realize that in due deference to actual snipers and connotations thereof, many competitions cast themselves as "precision" and not "sniper", but let's be honest...


Per the article the perps actions "alarmed a roommate and a friend" both of which then went to a school official. The school official then contacted law enforcement. I'm guessing that a friend and a room mate would know the guy well enough to know that something had changed and was not right in him other than simply dying his hair and buying a Corvette. The article doesn't even go in to what these two may have witnessed or told the school and law enforcement.

def90
04-01-2018, 13:18
I have the same question as the OP:

How does the BATFE know that he had a AR-15 and ammo?

The first paragraph states that a friend of his and a room mate went to school officials with the info. I would guess that they told the school what the guy was doing, that he had guns and was not acting normal. The school then went to law enforcement.

As far as this goes:

"Campus police received information that Sun had altered his appearance and his behavior was changing, the chief said. They contacted the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and were told Sun owned an AR-15-style rifle and ammunition."

I doubt that is how it actually happened, this is probably an example of poor journalism or simply an idiot in the campus police dept relaying info about something they know little about.

earplug
04-01-2018, 14:46
The fine print in the article show that he lost his VISA privilege when he stopped going to school.
I'm curious how his weapons are being disposed. Sold locally by a dealer?

Aloha_Shooter
04-01-2018, 18:05
Just visited the campus of UCI. So many brunettes. I checked on the demographics just to satisfy my curiosity - Asian-Americans and non-resident aliens (Chinese and other Asian students) were well over 50% of the student population. Those who identify as White were just under 15% of the population. We were only there a few hours, but I saw no mixed race couples.

FWIW, Asians have to score about 10% above Caucasians with similar grades and extracurricular activities and I can't even estimate HOW much higher than African Americans or Hispanics with similar backgrounds to get in the UC system. Don't find too many Asians on the football team or other sports that used to get athletic considerations either ... Been like that for a good 40 years or so; at least you know the ones you saw were academically qualified.

Honestly, I'm surprised about the lack of mixed race couples ... I'd have expected quite a bit of it in the UC schools but maybe UCI is different.

Aloha_Shooter
04-01-2018, 18:07
Aloha -- how does referring to a rifle as a sniper rifle pop as a red flag? I realize that in due deference to actual snipers and connotations thereof, many competitions cast themselves as "precision" and not "sniper", but let's be honest...

How is it NOT a red flag when combined with the other data? Who do you know that refers to their target, hunting, or competition rifles as "sniper rifles"?

Irving
04-01-2018, 18:30
Every single gun owner I know that played first person shooter video games for years before they got into guns.

Rucker61
04-01-2018, 18:32
Honestly, I'm surprised about the lack of mixed race couples ... I'd have expected quite a bit of it in the UC schools but maybe UCI is different.

Admittedly a very small sample size, subject to error on the surveyor's part.

Gman
04-01-2018, 18:39
Every single gun owner I know that played first person shooter video games for years before they got into guns.
...or somebody that comes from a nation where guns have a military context much larger than history of civilian ownership.