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Father forgot he put gun in his son's backpack. He was arrested for what he did next. (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/father-forgot-he-put-gun-in-his-sons-backpack-he-was-arrested-for-what-he-did-next/ar-AAvyKc2)
People. What the hell is wrong with them? [fail]
MIAMI - As a Miami father left his home Thursday morning to take his 8-year-old son to Kendale Elementary, he put his pistol in the boy's backpack - then forgot about the weapon, police said.
But instead of calling authorities, Ramon Nuiry walked into the school and asked administrators to summon the boy with the bag. Inside the office, Nuiry fished the gun out of the bag, put it in his waistband and left the school, according to an arrest report.
Nuiry, 53, was arrested and charged Thursday with possessing a weapon on school grounds, improper exhibition of a weapon and possession of a concealed firearm. He was booked into a jail late Thursday.
A terrified parent who saw Nuiry take the weapon out of the bag notified school officials, who called Miami-Dade Schools police. Detectives reviewed surveillance footage, which confirmed the account.
Police arrested Nuiry on Thursday afternoon, when he came to pick up the boy at the Kendall school. He confessed, according to an arrest report by Miami-Dade Schools Detective John Messenger, and the gun was found inside the car.
The arrest report did not say whether Nuiry admitted why he put the weapon in the book bag to begin with.
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This story doesn't add up at all. Seems like the guy was trying to hide the pistol for some reason in the first place.
BushMasterBoy
04-06-2018, 12:32
Should have just took the bag and walked out. Nobody would have been the wiser. Situations like this you have to plan out.
DA will probably drop the case, unless he is a convicted felon.
We had a thread in another forum titled "only in Florida", there was so much gold in there. Kinda wish the board was still up so I could re-read it.
CoGirl303
04-06-2018, 13:11
idiots like this shouldn't have a gun period. Why would you put a gun in your kid's bag to begin with.
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Even if there was some rational reason to put the gun in the bag (not that I can think of one)...then handle it differently.
"I need for my son to gather up his belongings and meet me for a father/son discussion." Make it a 'disciplinary issue' if you need to.
Take the kid out to the car and take the gun out of the bag in the car...then send him back to class.
idiots like this shouldn't have a gun period. Why would you put a gun in your kid's bag to begin with.
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You really seem into the idea of perfection and ripping away rights for the slightest infraction.
CoGirl303
04-06-2018, 13:37
You really seem into the idea of ripping away rights for blatant stupidity.
fixed it for you.
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wctriumph
04-06-2018, 15:39
Dork + 1000.
UrbanWolf
04-06-2018, 16:31
Florida Man
Exactly my thought.
but when a cop does something like that its ok.....
http://www.voicenews.com/news/sheriff-left-gun-in-shepherd-school-locker-room/article_9540f766-93a9-5242-aa2d-77636b4223a8.html
but when a cop does something like that its ok.....
http://www.voicenews.com/news/sheriff-left-gun-in-shepherd-school-locker-room/article_9540f766-93a9-5242-aa2d-77636b4223a8.html
This guy is the top dog in his county. I'm sure a deputy would have some splainin to do. this whole thread is something I think about a lot. It's as if no one is allowed to be imperfect. Hey life is hectic, shit happens. I'm not going to give into this mind set. Many of the people in the world barely made it through high school. Not everyone aced the driver's test. Not everyone eats healthy. This guy fucked up. No one got hurt. If it was me I'd feel bad. Should this ruin his life? No. Most of us have done something that could have been absolutely terrible if our guardian angel watching. We should make a mental note of this, and hope we don't have to deal with something like this.
This guy is the top dog in his county. I'm sure a deputy would have some splainin to do. this whole thread is something I think about a lot. It's as if no one is allowed to be imperfect. Hey life is hectic, shit happens. I'm not going to give into this mind set. Many of the people in the world barely made it through high school. Not everyone aced the driver's test. Not everyone eats healthy. This guy fucked up. No one got hurt. If it was me I'd feel bad. Should this ruin his life? No. Most of us have done something that could have been absolutely terrible if our guardian angel watching. We should make a mental note of this, and hope we don't have to deal with something like this.
Indeed. I screwed up bad, bad, bad once on my first deployment. My section sergeant and the Senior Scout called me to their CHU and simply asked, "Paper or sweat?" I chose the latter, and boy did I sweat. For hours, and hours, and hours. I considered that merciful compared to the article 15 which would have resulted had they not given me the option and went with paper.
The mentality of write up everyone, arrest/charge/try, take away rights, etc., with no sense of leniency and contextual consideration is one of strict justice, which is ultimately tyrannical. It bespeaks an emotionally stunted individual to adhere to such a mentality. I pity such people when not in charge of anything. I shudder when they are elevated to any position of power.
CoGirl303
04-06-2018, 20:24
This guy is the top dog in his county. I'm sure a deputy would have some splainin to do. this whole thread is something I think about a lot. It's as if no one is allowed to be imperfect. Hey life is hectic, shit happens. I'm not going to give into this mind set. Many of the people in the world barely made it through high school. Not everyone aced the driver's test. Not everyone eats healthy. This guy fucked up. No one got hurt. If it was me I'd feel bad. Should this ruin his life? No. Most of us have done something that could have been absolutely terrible if our guardian angel watching. We should make a mental note of this, and hope we don't have to deal with something like this.
I'm really disappointed in the laissez faire attitude of gun owners (and many on this forum) in regards to the mishandling, improper storage, unsafe handling, bad decision making and downright negligence regarding the use of firearms.
We have an entire leftist population that wants to confiscate and ban every single one of our guns...we, myself, you, and everyone else that owns and uses firearms for whatver reason can't afford to be "imperfect".
Every single instance of mishandling, improper use, improper storage, leaving it out, negligence, accidental child's death as a result, etc...is just another nail in the coffin of the 2nd Amendment. It is fuel to their fire, more ammunition to their cause.
This is basic firearms safety people. If people can't take it seriously now...when will they ever take safety seriously?
My opinion has nothing to do with being liberal/democrat or conservative/republican.
It has to do with common sense and proper gun etiquette. Innocent lives are stake...and so are our RIGHTS. But keep on with that laissez faire attitude.
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Ma'am, every law-abiding gun owner could be cherubic choir boys, models of safety, etc., and they would still come for our guns inch by inch until they take all 63,360 inches. Don't kid yourself.
Which of the four rules of gun safety was broken here?
sellersm
04-06-2018, 21:47
Ma'am, every law-abiding gun owner could be cherubic choir boys, models of safety, etc., and they would still come for our guns inch by inch until they take all 63,360 inches. Don't kid yourself.
^this. Believing otherwise just plays into their hands and illustrates the effectiveness of their brainwashing.
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Which of the four rules of gun safety was broken here?
4(a) Try not to be a dumbass
I have been a violator before. Still doesn't stop me from pointing out the violations of others.
4(a) Try not to be a dumbass
I have been a violator before. Still doesn't stop me from pointing out the violations of others.
But do you demand they should have their guns taken away? Or stripped of other rights?
ETA: pointing out a violation is a good. We learn from mistakes, either our own or of others. I think that's different than throwing the book at someone over a slip up, the same as if they'd done great harm or threatened to, etc.
But do you demand they should have their guns taken away? Or stripped of other rights?
ETA: pointing out a violation is a good. We learn from mistakes, either our own or of others. I think that's different than throwing the book at someone over a slip up, the same as if they'd done great harm or threatened to, etc.
Kind of my point. We should not crucify him, but should use his dumbassedness (yes, that's a word) to illustrate a negative example.
Odd story. There is more here.
As to people who shouldn't own firearms...? I will defend there right. That being said there are some full retards out there that have firearms, who have no business or clue. We have people shooting into neighborhoods, toward houses and threatening to shoot bears (who live in town) because they get in their trash.
I know, off topic but stupid goes a long way.
Kind of my point. We should not crucify him, but should use his dumbassedness (yes, that's a word) to illustrate a negative example.
Tar and feather, ride out of town on a rail, public humiliation... I see them as viable uses. Consequences for actions.
For the record, I think this guy is dumb for how he retrieved the gun. He is probably dumb for putting it into the backpack in the first, but we don't have enough information for that part. The news article makes it sound like he placed the gun there on the way to school, which makes little sense. I've had the whole left a gun in a kids backpack happen in my family before. Backpack was used for a hike over the weekend and gun got left inside. It was retrieved without incident.
For the record, I think this guy is dumb for how he retrieved the gun. He is probably dumb for putting it into the backpack in the first, but we don't have enough information for that part. The news article makes it sound like he placed the gun there on the way to school, which makes little sense. I've had the whole left a gun in a kids backpack happen in my family before. Backpack was used for a hike over the weekend and gun got left inside. It was retrieved without incident.
Get it but dropping it into the kid's pack before school? Don't get it. I have dedicated bags for firearms an accessories. That is so the TSA/number alphabet agencies don't ever have to get involved.
DavieD55
04-06-2018, 23:32
But do you demand they should have their guns taken away? Or stripped of other rights?
ETA: pointing out a violation is a good. We learn from mistakes, either our own or of others. I think that's different than throwing the book at someone over a slip up, the same as if they'd done great harm or threatened to, etc.
But it was a gun free zone.
(Sarcasm)
Regardless of why the pistiol was in the pack, He should have grabbed the pack, said have a nice day and got the f outa there.
DavieD55
04-06-2018, 23:51
^this. Believing otherwise just plays into their hands and illustrates the effectiveness of their brainwashing.
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This^
GilpinGuy
04-07-2018, 03:22
I wonder what would have happened if the guy called the PD first and told them to meet him at the school because he believed he may have accidentally left a gun in his kids bag. Would he have been charged? Maybe, but at least he didn't possess the weapon on school property himself. My guess is sticking in his waistband was a panic move.
This guy was an idiot. Period. If the gun isn't on your body in a secure holster, then it better be in YOUR backpack. Putting a firearm in your child's backpack that he/she will be taking to school is just plain dumb. Of course, then he takes stupid to the next level by removing the gun while in the presence of other people and stuffing it in his waistband - while on school property. This moron should not be handling firearms and questionable if he should have been allowed to procreate.
CoGirl303
04-07-2018, 04:19
Ma'am, every law-abiding gun owner could be cherubic choir boys, models of safety, etc., and they would still come for our guns inch by inch until they take all 63,360 inches. Don't kid yourself.
Maybe so, but why give them more fuel?
I dont know how old this guy is, but as a father, he is of an age where he should know better by now. Ignorance is no excuse.
I knew better at age 10. Guns were never taken to school.
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Maybe so, but why give them more fuel?
I dont know how old this guy is, but as a father, he is of an age where he should know better by now. Ignorance is no excuse.
I knew better at age 10. Guns were never taken to school.
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Yep. My youngest son will be 9 years old in June. He has been educated on how to properly clear a firearm and not to handle one without consulting me first. There is no chance in Hell he would EVER take one to school.
So who was killed, injured, or had their rights taken away here? What property was damaged? I must have missed it in the sloppily written article.
The guy made a couple dumb moves but how is this different than what David Gregory did? Or the the "AR destroying SBR creating liberals" from last month?
The way the media is I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that this gun was a bb gun or even a pop tart in the shape of a gun.
Yep. My youngest son will be 9 years old in June. He has been educated on how to properly clear a firearm and not to handle one without consulting me first. There is no chance in Hell he would EVER take one to school.
I think the issue here is that the kid didn't know it was there.
CoGirl303
04-07-2018, 11:16
I think the issue here is that the kid didn't know it was there.
no the issue is not the kid. the issue is the idiot father.
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no the issue is not the kid. the issue is the idiot father.
I was responding to Squeeze's comment, not the issue that I originally posted. RELAX.
I was responding to Squeeze's comment, not the issue that I originally posted. RELAX.
I was replying to CO Girl's comment, not the original post. lol
Maybe so, but why give them more fuel?
I dont know how old this guy is, but as a father, he is of an age where he should know better by now. Ignorance is no excuse.
I knew better at age 10. Guns were never taken to school.
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If you read the article, it clearly states the father was 53.
Surprisingly, people that age often DID bring guns to school- usually they were left in their vehicles to go hunting later. Before you jump to conclusions that I'm making excuses for him, I am explaining that there is a competely different mindset that goes with growing up with that outlook. To those of that mindset, guns are NOT frightening; they are a tool, just like a hammer or screwdriver. Just like leaving a screwdriver in a backpack, the annoyance factor of having to go retrieve it is likely at the forefront of a person's mind, not the fact that he's not got any way to hide it after he gets it from the kid's backpack. Was it a bonehead move? Yes. Will we know why he put the gun in his kid's backpack? Not likely. Maybe they went to the range the day before, and they used the backpack to carry stuff, and forgot to empty it. Maybe the kid grabbed the wrong backpack. Are you really trusting a fricking single news story, without checking to see what other information they've helpfully omitted so you can read it through their filter, to make the decision to unilaterally revoke his right to bear arms?
Did he make a mistake? Yup. Did he compound that mistake by his follow-up actions? He definitely did, and now he's got a record and will be a damn pariah because of it.
Does that justify the suggestion that he should never own a gun? That he lose his right? Hell no.
How about people that speak up against the majority opinon? Should they lose their right to the first amendment?
I'm really disappointed in the laissez faire attitude of gun owners (and many on this forum) in regards to the mishandling, improper storage, unsafe handling, bad decision making and downright negligence regarding the use of firearms.
We have an entire leftist population that wants to confiscate and ban every single one of our guns...we, myself, you, and everyone else that owns and uses firearms for whatver reason can't afford to be "imperfect".
Every single instance of mishandling, improper use, improper storage, leaving it out, negligence, accidental child's death as a result, etc...is just another nail in the coffin of the 2nd Amendment. It is fuel to their fire, more ammunition to their cause.
This is basic firearms safety people. If people can't take it seriously now...when will they ever take safety seriously?
My opinion has nothing to do with being liberal/democrat or conservative/republican.
It has to do with common sense and proper gun etiquette. Innocent lives are stake...and so are our RIGHTS. But keep on with that laissez faire attitude.
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I bet you're disappointed. You should probably get used to that. Not everyone is intolerant, as judgmental, as uncompromising, and as willing to take away other people's rights as you seem to be.
If you read through the comments, you'll see everyone agrees that he screwed up. The difference is that nobody agrees he should lose his rights to own a gun because of that error. Do you think that he should also lose other rights, too?
I'm sure you've never made a mistake before.
Let me break things down to you in a different way. Let's say that Bob is driving from Cheyenne to Denver. Bob is a law-abiding citizen; he's never killed anyone with his car, he pays taxes, votes, raises his family quietly, and is pretty unnoticeable most of the time. Bob is driving, allows his attention wander for five seconds, and is suddenly speeding seven miles over the speed limit.
A CSP pulls him over.
Is this disastrous? No. COULD there have been an issue? COULD he have KILLED someone with that vehicle? DID he break the law?
By your logic, he should have his license revoked. Why?
This is the logic of liberals. They're awful disappointed in the attitude of many of the posters on the board, too.
You don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
hurley842002
04-08-2018, 10:14
If you read the article, it clearly states the father was 53.
Surprisingly, people that age often DID bring guns to school- usually they were left in their vehicles to go hunting later. Before you jump to conclusions that I'm making excuses for him, I am explaining that there is a competely different mindset that goes with growing up with that outlook. To those of that mindset, guns are NOT frightening; they are a tool, just like a hammer or screwdriver. Just like leaving a screwdriver in a backpack, the annoyance factor of having to go retrieve it is likely at the forefront of a person's mind, not the fact that he's not got any way to hide it after he gets it from the kid's backpack. Was it a bonehead move? Yes. Will we know why he put the gun in his kid's backpack? Not likely. Maybe they went to the range the day before, and they used the backpack to carry stuff, and forgot to empty it. Maybe the kid grabbed the wrong backpack. Are you really trusting a fricking single news story, without checking to see what other information they've helpfully omitted so you can read it through their filter, to make the decision to unilaterally revoke his right to bear arms?
Did he make a mistake? Yup. Did he compound that mistake by his follow-up actions? He definitely did, and now he's got a record and will be a damn pariah because of it.
Does that justify the suggestion that he should never own a gun? That he lose his right? Hell no.
How about people that speak up against the majority opinon? Should they lose their right to the first amendment?
I bet you're disappointed. You should probably get used to that. Not everyone is intolerant, as judgmental, as uncompromising, and as willing to take away other people's rights as you seem to be.
If you read through the comments, you'll see everyone agrees that he screwed up. The difference is that nobody agrees he should lose his rights to own a gun because of that error. Do you think that he should also lose other rights, too?
I'm sure you've never made a mistake before.
Let me break things down to you in a different way. Let's say that Bob is driving from Cheyenne to Denver. Bob is a law-abiding citizen; he's never killed anyone with his car, he pays taxes, votes, raises his family quietly, and is pretty unnoticeable most of the time. Bob is driving, allows his attention wander for five seconds, and is suddenly speeding seven miles over the speed limit.
A CSP pulls him over.
Is this disastrous? No. COULD there have been an issue? COULD he have KILLED someone with that vehicle? DID he break the law?
By your logic, he should have his license revoked. Why?
This is the logic of liberals. They're awful disappointed in the attitude of many of the posters on the board, too.
You don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
Big +1
Unfortunately 303 won't see me agreeing with you, because I've been ignored for disagreeing with her zero tolerance, holier than thou, state of mind.
I think we can all agree:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8ZFxsq9-3k
...also, I thought the Rocky Mountains would be a lot rockier...
Hurley, stop selling dead birds to blind kids.
hurley842002
04-08-2018, 11:56
Hurley, stop selling dead birds to blind kids.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180408/6f64b447f527d4d6171de5643d41db2e.gif
I wonder what would have happened if the guy called the PD first and told them to meet him at the school because he believed he may have accidentally left a gun in his kids bag. Would he have been charged? Maybe, but at least he didn't possess the weapon on school property himself. My guess is sticking in his waistband was a panic move.
Cops aren't here to help you, not anymore.
Snowman78
04-08-2018, 21:07
^bullshit
^bullshit
Cops can be friendly, but they're not looking out for you.
Cops can be friendly, but they're not looking out for you.
Not so. That's a very broad blanket statement, and one that's rather insulting to a number of LEOs on this board. The truth is, nobody knows what would have happened had he called the police and let them know. He may have been arrested, but there are a number of other outcomes that may have been.
Snowman78
04-08-2018, 21:57
^+1
Not so. That's a very broad blanket statement, and one that's rather insulting to a number of LEOs on this board. The truth is, nobody knows what would have happened had he called the police and let them know. He may have been arrested, but there are a number of other outcomes that may have been.
^^^This. Last I checked nobody here has a crystal ball.
@Ridge: Also, I do understand that in the event you are looking at possible criminal charges, yes the police are not there to help you, they are there to do a job and determine if a crime has been or is being committed. If you are are being investigated for possibly committing a crime, then shut up and lawyer up. Otherwise, yes, the police help a lot of people, every day. That is also part of their job. If you don't like being lumped into the broad category of dumb Fudd gun owners like the progressive Liberals think we all are, I suggest not doing the same towards our law enforcement.
Not so. That's a very broad blanket statement, and one that's rather insulting to a number of LEOs on this board. The truth is, nobody knows what would have happened had he called the police and let them know. He may have been arrested, but there are a number of other outcomes that may have been.
You're right, I worded it poorly (common theme for me lately).
Cops, by and large, are good folks who want to improve their cities. The leadership, is what is pushing them away from public safety and towards public enforcement. Police chiefs, sheriffs and city councils/mayors use cops as a source of revenue nowadays instead of helping the people.
You're right, I worded it poorly (common theme for me lately).
Cops, by and large, are good folks who want to improve their cities. The leadership, is what is pushing them away from public safety and towards public enforcement. Police chiefs, sheriffs and city councils/mayors use cops as a source of revenue nowadays instead of helping the people.
The political BS trickles its way in everywhere.
CoGirl303
04-10-2018, 08:40
If you read the article, it clearly states the father was 53.
Surprisingly, people that age often DID bring guns to school- usually they were left in their vehicles to go hunting later. Before you jump to conclusions that I'm making excuses for him, I am explaining that there is a competely different mindset that goes with growing up with that outlook. To those of that mindset, guns are NOT frightening; they are a tool, just like a hammer or screwdriver. Just like leaving a screwdriver in a backpack, the annoyance factor of having to go retrieve it is likely at the forefront of a person's mind, not the fact that he's not got any way to hide it after he gets it from the kid's backpack. Was it a bonehead move? Yes. Will we know why he put the gun in his kid's backpack? Not likely. Maybe they went to the range the day before, and they used the backpack to carry stuff, and forgot to empty it. Maybe the kid grabbed the wrong backpack. Are you really trusting a fricking single news story, without checking to see what other information they've helpfully omitted so you can read it through their filter, to make the decision to unilaterally revoke his right to bear arms?
Did he make a mistake? Yup. Did he compound that mistake by his follow-up actions? He definitely did, and now he's got a record and will be a damn pariah because of it.
Does that justify the suggestion that he should never own a gun? That he lose his right? Hell no.
How about people that speak up against the majority opinon? Should they lose their right to the first amendment?
I bet you're disappointed. You should probably get used to that. Not everyone is intolerant, as judgmental, as uncompromising, and as willing to take away other people's rights as you seem to be.
If you read through the comments, you'll see everyone agrees that he screwed up. The difference is that nobody agrees he should lose his rights to own a gun because of that error. Do you think that he should also lose other rights, too?
I'm sure you've never made a mistake before.
Let me break things down to you in a different way. Let's say that Bob is driving from Cheyenne to Denver. Bob is a law-abiding citizen; he's never killed anyone with his car, he pays taxes, votes, raises his family quietly, and is pretty unnoticeable most of the time. Bob is driving, allows his attention wander for five seconds, and is suddenly speeding seven miles over the speed limit.
A CSP pulls him over.
Is this disastrous? No. COULD there have been an issue? COULD he have KILLED someone with that vehicle? DID he break the law?
By your logic, he should have his license revoked. Why?
This is the logic of liberals. They're awful disappointed in the attitude of many of the posters on the board, too.
You don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
did you really just compare speeding 7 over to putting a gun in a kids backpack that ends up at school? Talk about grapes to watermelon comparison. I also don't recall anyone ever dying because someone exercises their 1A rights and gave an opinion.
When it comes to firearms, there is no margin for error.
I am also not a liberal. I am a registered Republican. I just take my gun rights, gun safety and my responsibilities very seriously. Shame you and others do not. Also my view on this has nothing to do with politics, liberal or conservative. It has to do with safety, 100%. It is the absolute one thing I will NEVER compromise on.
stupid people with guns get other people hurt or killed. It doesn't get any simpler than that.
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Hate to break it to you, but today's Republican party makes the Liberals of 1951 look like absolute McCarthyites in comparison. Being a registered Republican, as if it's something that means anything, is like claiming to be a traditional Christian because you warm the pews of the local SuperFunRockband building, or, for that matter, go to Mass celebrated by some communist faggot who has his parish convinced of all manner of unChristian crap.
We all care about safety. While the hyperbole of no margin for error is bandied around in order to drive home the point, we all also realize that to err is human. Yes, when an event occurs which demands a reciprocal punishment I believe we all agree. But you seem to cater to an extreme viewpoint which IS ultimately modernly "liberal" in that it is fascistic in its overreach.
I have a buddy whose 16 year old son like to practice clearing the house. Buddy encourages this in case of a break-in. One time he slapped in a loaded magazine while practicing mag changes during clearing. Immediately buddy shouts stop. Lectures the kid. Tells him if he does that again he will only touch a rifle at the range. Then, we grabbed an old GI mag, taped the body with blue tape, removed the follower/spring, and said "here, a training mag." The rule became if he wants to practice room clearing,etc.,, he uses a training mag which is obviously so due to the tape. According to your logic, the kid should never touch a firearm again.
And you're right. TG's comparison is indeed a grapes to watermelon comparison since cars and bad driving kills FAR MORE per year, is taken for granted, and is a scourge for the rest of us just trying to get from A to B. But you didn't mean it that way, did you?
Don't put tools on a pedestal.
hurley842002
04-10-2018, 09:43
Hate to break it to you, but today's Republican party makes the Liberals of 1951 look like absolute McCarthyites in comparison. Being a registered Republican, as if it's something that means anything, is like claiming to be a traditional Christian because you warm the pews of the local SuperFunRockband building, or, for that matter, go to Mass celebrated by some communist faggot who has his parish convinced of all manner of unChristian crap.
We all care about safety. While the hyperbole of no margin for error is bandied around in order to drive home the point, we all also realize that to err is human. Yes, when an event occurs which demands a reciprocal punishment I believe we all agree. But you seem to cater to an extreme viewpoint which IS ultimately modernly "liberal" in that it is fascistic in its overreach.
I have a buddy whose 16 year old son like to practice clearing the house. Buddy encourages this in case of a break-in. One time he slapped in a loaded magazine while practicing mag changes during clearing. Immediately buddy shouts stop. Lectures the kid. Tells him if he does that again he will only touch a rifle at the range. Then, we grabbed an old GI mag, taped the body with blue tape, removed the follower/spring, and said "here, a training mag." The rule became if he wants to practice room clearing,etc.,, he uses a training mag which is obviously so due to the tape. According to your logic, the kid should never touch a firearm again.
And you're right. TG's comparison is indeed a grapes to watermelon comparison since cars and bad driving kills FAR MORE per year, is taken for granted, and is a scourge for the rest of us just trying to get from A to B. But you didn't mean it that way, did you?
Don't put tools on a pedestal.
Like!
If there's no margin for error, then you must remove human beings from the equation.
Nobody's prefect.
If there's no margin for error, then you must remove human beings from the equation.
Nobody's prefect.
COGirl303 seems to think she is a prefect.
... some communist faggot
[ROFL1][ROFL2][ROFL3][LOL]
Tell us how you really feel!
CoGirl303
04-10-2018, 19:31
COGirl303 seems to think she is a prefect.
I'm not perfect.
It is something my Dad ingrained in me. For all the things I have never taken seriously in my life from my HS grades to most of my life's responsibilities...for whatver reason firearms was the one thing that "I got" and "took seriously".
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Hate to break it to you, but today's Republican party makes the Liberals of 1951 look like absolute McCarthyites in comparison. Being a registered Republican, as if it's something that means anything, is like claiming to be a traditional Christian because you warm the pews of the local SuperFunRockband building, or, for that matter, go to Mass celebrated by some communist faggot who has his parish convinced of all manner of unChristian crap.
We all care about safety. While the hyperbole of no margin for error is bandied around in order to drive home the point, we all also realize that to err is human. Yes, when an event occurs which demands a reciprocal punishment I believe we all agree. But you seem to cater to an extreme viewpoint which IS ultimately modernly "liberal" in that it is fascistic in its overreach.
I have a buddy whose 16 year old son like to practice clearing the house. Buddy encourages this in case of a break-in. One time he slapped in a loaded magazine while practicing mag changes during clearing. Immediately buddy shouts stop. Lectures the kid. Tells him if he does that again he will only touch a rifle at the range. Then, we grabbed an old GI mag, taped the body with blue tape, removed the follower/spring, and said "here, a training mag." The rule became if he wants to practice room clearing,etc.,, he uses a training mag which is obviously so due to the tape. According to your logic, the kid should never touch a firearm again.
And you're right. TG's comparison is indeed a grapes to watermelon comparison since cars and bad driving kills FAR MORE per year, is taken for granted, and is a scourge for the rest of us just trying to get from A to B. But you didn't mean it that way, did you?
Don't put tools on a pedestal. +1 like.
I'm not perfect.
It is something my Dad ingrained in me. For all the things I have never taken seriously in my life from my HS grades to most of my life's responsibilities...for whatver reason firearms was the one thing that "I got" and "took seriously".
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Your implication that nobody except you takes firearms seriously is not only unfounded, but you're coming off as completely unhinged.
Not that it matters, in the long run.
We all agree that safety is paramount...but this wasn't a case of letting a two-year-old chew on his daddy's gun while his mom yaks away on the phone. There is a great deal of difference between neglect and making a mistake.
I think you just don't want to admit that such an extreme stance may be a bit much. We're not arguing if he made a mistake or not. Your argument is that because he made a mistake, his right to firearms should be revoked. You have yet to explain WHY.
In addition to explaining why, you may also want to list the errors that someone could make and still retain possession of their firearms. What if they drop a bullet when they're loading their magazine? What if they don't clean their firearm after every use? Those could be safety violations, too. Who gets to confiscate them?
I don't recall any specific laws against those rather draconian "firearms etiquette" rules that exist in your head, but then again, I'm sure you'll be sure to point them out, Emily Post.
GilpinGuy
04-10-2018, 23:01
I've avoided this thread for the most part. And I don't mean to bash anyone here. Just maybe encourage some thought.
I have carried into a Post Office a few times. Shit, the Post Office here is about 300 square feet and there's never anyone in there. I walk in the guy says "Hi John, here's your stuff!" But I've committed a mortal sin according to the law. My former propane guy (not BG, BTW) used to open carry his .44 Roscoe in there. Who cares? Oh, the law does. But nobody else. At least not here. Should we both be banned from owning firearms?
I have also carried into my baby girls preschool many times, thinking it was OK because it was a private school and not a government indoctrination center. I have since learned that I may have committed a mortal sin there too - perhaps hundreds of times. Should I have my rights stripped away?
Laws and rules should be enforced but the punishment should be administered on a case by case basis, based on the circumstances. "No Tolerance" means no judgement based on the facts.
Relax John, it's not like you threw cash onto a craps table in the middle of a roll and yelled out a bet.
GilpinGuy
04-10-2018, 23:26
[ROFL2]Now THAT would be unforgivable, especially if done while barking.
I've avoided this thread for the most part. And I don't mean to bash anyone here. Just maybe encourage some thought.
I have carried into a Post Office a few times. Shit, the Post Office here is about 300 square feet and there's never anyone in there. I walk in the guy says "Hi John, here's your stuff!" But I've committed a mortal sin according to the law. My former propane guy (not BG, BTW) used to open carry his .44 Roscoe in there. Who cares? Oh, the law does. But nobody else. At least not here. Should we both be banned from owning firearms?
I have also carried into my baby girls preschool many times, thinking it was OK because it was a private school and not a government indoctrination center. I have since learned that I may have committed a mortal sin there too - perhaps hundreds of times. Should I have my rights stripped away?
Laws and rules should be enforced but the punishment should be administered on a case by case basis, based on the circumstances. "No Tolerance" means no judgement based on the facts.Nice . And thanks for adding "Roscoe" to my vocabulary. I had google it. Not sure how it slip by.
I'm not perfect.
It is something my Dad ingrained in me. For all the things I have never taken seriously in my life from my HS grades to most of my life's responsibilities...for whatver reason firearms was the one thing that "I got" and "took seriously".
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Gman said prefect (whether intentionally as a tongue in cheek purposeful mistake of "perfect"), or truly as a mistake.
I rolled with it.
pre·fect
ˈprēˌfekt/
noun
noun: prefect; plural noun: prefects
1.
British
in some schools, a senior student authorized to enforce discipline.
2.
CoGirl303
04-11-2018, 09:35
When I say no margin for error, I'm not talking about zero tolerance. I'm just saying that no margin for error is the mindset we all should have when handling firearms.
I'm not perfect, once left my carry gun in my car overnight. The car was locked, but I had been out running errands, grocery shopping and it was about 7:00 pm when I got home. Took the stuff and groceries in, locked the car and was putting groceries away. My puppy wanted to be fed and so I fed her, sat down on the couch to rest a few minutes but I was so tired I passed out and didnt wake up until 3 am. At 5 am I went to take my camera bag out to the car to go meet with a guy for a photoshoot of his car and my gun was gone, along with my dvd nav unit and some other stuff.
Should I have lost my rights permanently? no I don't believe so (nor do I believe anyone else who has had that happen should lose theirs) because I locked my car, but had the law allowed for such, I would have deserved a year or two revocation of my concealed carry license to learn from that.
Thankfully, they caught the scumbag a few days later at a hotel. He had stolen someone's ipad and the idiot was using the internet and they tracked him through the findmyipad app. He also had one of those electronic devices that scans key fob frequencies which was how he was getting in to people's cars.
Anyhow, I no longer leave my carry weapon in the car unless it's in a lock box or safe. It's either on my person or in my purse.
Grey, I never once said "everyone" doesn't take it as seriously as I do. Do NOT put words into my mouth. I said "some" people's laissez faire attitudes in regards to gun safety are disappointing.
I will remain by my stance whether you or anyone else likes it or not. We'll just agree to disagree.
a 53 year old should reasonably KNOW better.
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I've avoided this thread for the most part. And I don't mean to bash anyone here. Just maybe encourage some thought.
I have carried into a Post Office a few times. Shit, the Post Office here is about 300 square feet and there's never anyone in there. I walk in the guy says "Hi John, here's your stuff!" But I've committed a mortal sin according to the law. My former propane guy (not BG, BTW) used to open carry his .44 Roscoe in there. Who cares? Oh, the law does. But nobody else. At least not here. Should we both be banned from owning firearms?
I have also carried into my baby girls preschool many times, thinking it was OK because it was a private school and not a government indoctrination center. I have since learned that I may have committed a mortal sin there too - perhaps hundreds of times. Should I have my rights stripped away?
Laws and rules should be enforced but the punishment should be administered on a case by case basis, based on the circumstances. "No Tolerance" means no judgement based on the facts.
I wouldn't think your rights should be taken away in such an instance.
What I'm referring to (and my comments are being completely taken out of context to 9th degree) is instances like the Dad leaving the gun in the backpack, a kid gets moms gun and shoots his baby brother by accident, a kid takes his dad's gun to school and shoots 8 students. Guy horsing around at the range with a loaded rifle, aiming it carelessly or swinging it around on his shoulders back and forth with no regard for the safety of others around him/her.
It might have been reasonable to take your rifle to school in 1971 and have it in the gun rack above the window of your truck, but its not 1971 any more. Today is a drastically different culture and mindset of people.
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I've avoided this thread for the most part. And I don't mean to bash anyone here. Just maybe encourage some thought.
I have carried into a Post Office a few times. Shit, the Post Office here is about 300 square feet and there's never anyone in there. I walk in the guy says "Hi John, here's your stuff!" But I've committed a mortal sin according to the law. My former propane guy (not BG, BTW) used to open carry his .44 Roscoe in there. Who cares? Oh, the law does. But nobody else. At least not here. Should we both be banned from owning firearms?
I have also carried into my baby girls preschool many times, thinking it was OK because it was a private school and not a government indoctrination center. I have since learned that I may have committed a mortal sin there too - perhaps hundreds of times. Should I have my rights stripped away?
Laws and rules should be enforced but the punishment should be administered on a case by case basis, based on the circumstances. "No Tolerance" means no judgement based on the facts.
I may or may not have done one or both of these same things, but can't remember...
Guess I'll just turn all my guns in now.
Yeah, that's what I thought.
When I say no margin for error, I'm not talking about zero tolerance. I'm just saying that no margin for error is the mindset we all should have when handling firearms.
I'm not perfect, once left my carry gun in my car overnight. The car was locked, but I had been out running errands, grocery shopping and it was about 7:00 pm when I got home. Took the stuff and groceries in, locked the car and was putting groceries away. My puppy wanted to be fed and so I fed her, sat down on the couch to rest a few minutes but I was so tired I passed out and didnt wake up until 3 am. At 5 am I went to take my camera bag out to the car to go meet with a guy for a photoshoot of his car and my gun was gone, along with my dvd nav unit and some other stuff.
Should I have lost my rights permanently? no I don't believe so (nor do I believe anyone else who has had that happen should lose theirs) because I locked my car, but had the law allowed for such, I would have deserved a year or two revocation of my concealed carry license to learn from that.
Thankfully, they caught the scumbag a few days later at a hotel. He had stolen someone's ipad and the idiot was using the internet and they tracked him through the findmyipad app. He also had one of those electronic devices that scans key fob frequencies which was how he was getting in to people's cars.
Grey, I never once said "everyone" doesn't take it as seriously as I do. Do NOT put words into my mouth. I said "some" people's laissez faire attitudes in regards to gun safety are disappointing.
I will remain by my stance whether you or anyone else likes it or not. We'll just agree to disagree.
No, what you said was far more insulting: "I just take my gun rights, gun safety and my responsibilities very seriously. Shame you and others do not."
Yeah. Your ass is showing, by the way.
When given the opportunity to explain your thinking further, you decide instead to backtrack and suggest your "comments are being taken out of context to the nth degree."
They are not.
It's one thing to state that you think a gunowner is a complete nimrod to have made such a mistake. We all agree. The fact that everyone makes mistakes is eminently relatable (and by the way, age makes NO difference as to whether you make a mistake or not. By your own logic, you're too old to have left your carry gun in the car. It was stolen! What if it had been used in the commission of a crime? What if someone had died?! You see? It's easy to escalate the 'what-if' game, which is a typical move for the gun-grabbers. 'If it saves one life, it's worth the loss of your 2nd Amendment rights,' is their slippery-slope logic, which is what I am objecting to in your argument.) People are relating to that mistake, because everyone makes errors such as that. It's genuinely human.
The reaction of "He made a mistake with a firearm, so he deserves to lose his right to carry!" is what is being objected to. When you are asked for your reasoning as to why you suggest such extremes, you make the assertion that apparently I (and others) don't take my gun rights, gun safety, and gun responsibility seriously. Because my opinions are different from yours, so therefore I am clearly WRONG. Yeah, that sounds very familiar.
And you are quite, quite wrong when it comes to your pat and unfounded assessments of my attitudes ("and others") toward gun responsibility and safety.
As far as your examples:
"What I'm referring to (and my comments are being completely taken out of context to 9th degree) is instances like the Dad leaving the gun in the backpack, a kid gets moms gun and shoots his baby brother by accident, a kid takes his dad's gun to school and shoots 8 students. Guy horsing around at the range with a loaded rifle, aiming it carelessly or swinging it around on his shoulders back and forth with no regard for the safety of others around him/her. "
The legal terms that help to define such things are "neglect" and "intent" when referencing crime. Such things are crucial when it comes to determining the factors of a case; and for good reason. Mitigating circumstances apply in most cases. Could you imagine living in a society where you are penalized so harshly for making a genuine error? In your provided example, I get it. You were tired, forgot your gun in the car. It happens. Maybe this father had worked a mid shift and was tired, and screwed up.`
The point is, the law MUST allow for the human element.
The point is, the law MUST allow for the human element.
...or what else is it good for? People that make laws also screw up. Once you have involved people in the equation, there's no perfection, no matter how serious the consequences.
"Zero Tolerance" means nobody is thinking.
Man now I’ve been called old twice in this thread... can’t a guy catch a break just because I had a gun rack in high school shees
When I say no margin for error, I'm not talking about zero tolerance. I'm just saying that no margin for error is the mindset we all should have when handling firearms.
I'm not perfect, once left my carry gun in my car overnight. The car was locked, but I had been out running errands, grocery shopping and it was about 7:00 pm when I got home. Took the stuff and groceries in, locked the car and was putting groceries away. My puppy wanted to be fed and so I fed her, sat down on the couch to rest a few minutes but I was so tired I passed out and didnt wake up until 3 am. At 5 am I went to take my camera bag out to the car to go meet with a guy for a photoshoot of his car and my gun was gone, along with my dvd nav unit and some other stuff.
Should I have lost my rights permanently? no I don't believe so (nor do I believe anyone else who has had that happen should lose theirs) because I locked my car, but had the law allowed for such, I would have deserved a year or two revocation of my concealed carry license to learn from that.
Thankfully, they caught the scumbag a few days later at a hotel. He had stolen someone's ipad and the idiot was using the internet and they tracked him through the findmyipad app. He also had one of those electronic devices that scans key fob frequencies which was how he was getting in to people's cars.
Anyhow, I no longer leave my carry weapon in the car unless it's in a lock box or safe. It's either on my person or in my purse.
Grey, I never once said "everyone" doesn't take it as seriously as I do. Do NOT put words into my mouth. I said "some" people's laissez faire attitudes in regards to gun safety are disappointing.
I will remain by my stance whether you or anyone else likes it or not. We'll just agree to disagree.
a 53 year old should reasonably KNOW better.
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I wouldn't think your rights should be taken away in such an instance.
What I'm referring to (and my comments are being completely taken out of context to 9th degree) is instances like the Dad leaving the gun in the backpack, a kid gets moms gun and shoots his baby brother by accident, a kid takes his dad's gun to school and shoots 8 students. Guy horsing around at the range with a loaded rifle, aiming it carelessly or swinging it around on his shoulders back and forth with no regard for the safety of others around him/her.
It might have been reasonable to take your rifle to school in 1971 and have it in the gun rack above the window of your truck, but its not 1971 any more. Today is a drastically different culture and mindset of people.
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Man now I’ve been called old twice in this thread... can’t a guy catch a break just because I had a gun rack in high school shees
You don't get to wear the title "Grand Master Know it All" unless you're old. Wisdom does not generally come from the mouths of children.
You don't get to wear the title "Grand Master Know it All" unless you're old. Wisdom does not generally come from the mouths of children.
It's a post-count thing. I'm sure plenty of folks on here would say I am not wise. lol.
It's a post-count thing. I'm sure plenty of folks on here would say I am not wise. lol.
Not true. You are wise beyond your years.
Aloha_Shooter
04-12-2018, 20:37
You don't get to wear the title "Grand Master Know it All" unless you're old. Wisdom does not generally come from the mouths of children.
1. Liberals wear that title all the damned time regardless of age. The fact they're wrong 90% (or so) of the time doesn't prevent them from wearing it. I pretty much don't care about titles anyway so couldn't care less what title they try to sport.
2. Sometimes it does. Kids can sometimes point out when adult rationalizations make no sense.
I'm pretty much on board with everything The Grey said. The guy made a mistake but if he brought his kid up with proper respect for firearms, the mistake was because of a boneheaded law. Yes, we've seen news reporting about kids shooting their siblings -- I bet most of those kids hadn't ever been taught to treat firearms with respect or as tools and only thought of them as things they saw on TV and in movies.
Laws are pretty much invented to punish people for doing the things that people are bound to do.
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