file under I'm never flying ever again

[izzy]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/04/17/southwest-airlines-planes-engine-explodes-passenger-reportedly-hit-with-shrapnel.html


WACU (https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Airplane-Makes-Emergency-Landing-at-Philadelphia-International-Airport-480008613.html?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_PHBrand) reported a passenger was "partially sucked out" of one of the plane's windows when the engine exploded and shrapnel from the engine pierced through a window, a father of one of the passengers said.

[BushMasterBoy]

Congratulations, you broke a 1000 posts.

[TFOGGER]

Still safer than driving to work.

[.455_Hunter]

Based on ballistics and fragment research I have personally conducted for one of the major aircraft producers, I never sit perpendicular to any engine components.

[68Charger]

Based on ballistics and fragment research I have personally conducted for one of the major aircraft producers, I never sit perpendicular to any engine components.

and only APUs undergo containment testing... external engines are not required to pass an containment tests

[Squeeze]

Yeah, pretty sure that lady needed a fresh pair of underwear after that episode. I'm also sure Southwest is already prepping the settlement checks. Why doesn't crap like this ever happen to me? I need a better retirement plan.

[Monky]

Yeah, pretty sure that lady needed a fresh pair of underwear after that episode. I'm also sure Southwest is already prepping the settlement checks. Why doesn't crap like this ever happen to me? I need a better retirement plan.

Trust in the fact that you never want to get a big settlement check.. those are only given to those who are truly fucked up.

Maybe she should have paid attention to the seatbelt sign...

[WETWRKS]

Was she the one screaming something about a gremlin on the wing just before the engine exploded?

[Grant H.]

Trust in the fact that you never want to get a big settlement check.. those are only given to those who are truly fucked up.

Maybe she should have paid attention to the seatbelt sign...

This.

Having been around a few people who got large settlement checks, Monky is absolutely correct.

Having money but being in debilitating pain or physically unable to use it makes it less desirable.

[car-15]

1 dead
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/federal-investigator-says-1-dead-after-plane-with-engine-failure-makes-emergency-landing-in-philadelphia/ar-AAvYQJ8

[izzy]

Congratulations, you broke a 1000 posts.
Oh, look at that. Thanks!

[kidicarus13]

1 dead
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/federal-investigator-says-1-dead-after-plane-with-engine-failure-makes-emergency-landing-in-philadelphia/ar-AAvYQJ8Least desirable outcome

[William]

Based on ballistics and fragment research I have personally conducted for one of the major aircraft producers, I never sit perpendicular to any engine components.

Going to have to change my preferences as I usually try to get seats on the wings.

[BushMasterBoy]

One of three failures comes to mind, bird strike, ring failure(engine part) or foreign object damage(FOD) from runway. Too bad somebody was killed. We will just have to wait until the NTSB report.

[Bailey Guns]

I can't even begin to imagine what the odds are of something like that happening to a particular person. That is some seriously bad luck.

[hollohas]

Maybe she should have paid attention to the seatbelt sign...

Seatbelt doesn't help much if you're sitting next to the window. Your top half can get pulled out while your bottom half is still buckled up. Story says other passengers pulled her back in which would support the idea that she was likely still buckled.

[hollohas]

Based on ballistics and fragment research I have personally conducted for one of the major aircraft producers, I never sit perpendicular to any engine components.She was sitting near the back of the wing. The front part of the engine got destoryed. She wasn't really perpendicular to it.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180417/e81483c91a77ac2f0b4bcfe3f90bec62.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180417/ecc28cead5feed4f1c635b1eba705582.jpg

[.455_Hunter]

That's a pretty isometric view. Her seat is well within the cone of dispersion.

[Aloha_Shooter]

When your number is up, it's up. This kind of thing happens far less often than getting mugged or assaulted. I'll worry about more substantial things.

[Gman]

Wow. The 737 is a pretty solid aircraft, but uncontained engine failures do happen, even when they try to keep everything contained. They landed safely and the plane handled it quite well. As to the fatality, someone could have had a heart attack in all the excitement. Just have to wait for details.

Unless you're moving around the cabin, this is another reason to keep your ass buckled up.

[Duman]

Was William Shatner on board?

[MarkCO]

One of three failures comes to mind, bird strike, ring failure(engine part) or foreign object damage(FOD) from runway. Too bad somebody was killed. We will just have to wait until the NTSB report. Was a while after TO, was too high for a bird strike. If you look at the photos, there is circular damage, likely a failure of a fan blade. Extremely rare failure.

My father worked for McDonnell Douglas in the early 60s and participated in many chicken gun tests on control surfaces, windshields and turbo-fan engines. Now that he has some dementia, the stories are less, but those are still some of my favorites.

[BushMasterBoy]

Was a while after TO, was too high for a bird strike. If you look at the photos, there is circular damage, likely a failure of a fan blade. Extremely rare failure.

My father worked for McDonnell Douglas in the early 60s and participated in many chicken gun tests on control surfaces, windshields and turbo-fan engines. Now that he has some dementia, the stories are less, but those are still some of my favorites.

Definitely a blade failure. Early CFM65 experienced this according to wikipedia. I still think something hit the blade to damage it. It would be a real shocker if it was a Lyrid shower meteorite.

[GilpinGuy]

And 9 people were killed while talking on their cell phone in a traffic crash on the same day (just an average). This is insignificant as far as statistics.

I do avoid flying AMAP though. Jut sucks these days. It used to be exciting and cool back in the old days.

[Gman]

Was at 32,200 feet when it happened, so no birds. Initial inspection of the engine shows metal fatigue where the fan meets the hub. CFM recommended ultrasonic testing for their early CFM56-series, which didn't include this engine, yet Southwest is stating that they will inspect all of their engines anyway.

The fatality was the woman that was partially sucked out of the plane.

1 dead after jet blows an engine; woman nearly sucked out (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/federal-investigator-says-1-dead-after-plane-with-engine-failure-makes-emergency-landing-in-philadelphia/ar-AAvYQJ8)


The dead woman was identified as Jennifer Riordan, a Wells Fargo bank executive and mother of two from Albuquerque, New Mexico. She was the first passenger killed in an accident involving a U.S. airline since 2009. The seven other victims suffered minor injuries.

Tumlinson said a man in a cowboy hat rushed forward a few rows "to grab that lady to pull her back in. She was out of the plane. He couldn't do it by himself, so another gentleman came over and helped to get her back in the plane, and they got her.

"Another passenger, Eric Zilbert, an administrator with the California Education Department, said: "From her waist above, she was outside of the plane."
Passengers struggled to somehow plug the hole while giving the badly injured woman CPR.

Passengers did "some pretty amazing things under some pretty difficult circumstances," Philadelphia Fire Commissioner Adam Thiel said.

[Ridge]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbBisehX0AE-VHu.jpg

[GilpinGuy]

I hate to sound flippant about this, but machines break and sometimes people get hurt. Because it was an airplane, it's big news. If a car had a tire blow out and crash, killing an entire family, it wouldn't get 2 seconds of national news coverage.

RIP to the woman was killed and good on the folks who tried to save her.

[hollohas]

That's a pretty isometric view. Her seat is well within the cone of dispersion.Well obviously her seat was within the area at risk to being hit by debris. My point is, it wasn't perpendicular to the engine and that for such an extremely rare situation like this, your seat choice doesn't really matter.

Here's a more straight on view.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180418/4ef719ccfa429a959380479a57e411f0.jpg

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

I'm pretty skinny and I cannot even imagine getting my shoulders outside a plane window, let alone down to my waist. No matter how big the pressure difference.

[SuperiorDG]

Was at 32,200 feet when it happened, so no birds. Initial inspection of the engine shows metal fatigue where the fan meets the hub. CFM recommended ultrasonic testing for their early CFM56-series, which didn't include this engine, yet Southwest is stating that they will inspect all of their engines anyway.

Vultures fly as hight as 37,000 feet. Just saying.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_birds_by_flight_heights

[sniper7]

I see one missing fan blade in that picture, that and the shrapnel from the engine cowl and anti-ice ducting is a lot of debris

[.455_Hunter]

My point is, it wasn't perpendicular to the engine and that for such an extremely rare situation like this, your seat choice doesn't really matter.

It does matter when the engine experiences a fan disk disintegration, as the high speed fragments will penetrate the fuselage in a perpendicular orientation. In this case, the failure appears to be loss of one or more blades, with the window damage caused by either primary or secondary debris. You are free to sit wherever you like.

[O2HeN2]

It does matter when the engine experiences a fan disk disintegration, as the high speed fragments will penetrate the fuselage in a perpendicular orientation.
Yabbut. At cruising speed, air is moving over the wing at over 800FPS (heck, I have a 255gr .45ACP bowling pin load that's slower than that!). This leads to an argument to sit exactly perpendicular to the fan blades because the lower mass, high velocity parts will be affected by the wind to a greater degree and swept back more quickly, and the higher mass, lower velocity parts will have more travel time to the fuselage causing them to be swept back as well.

I'm not suprised that the window that suffered the impact was so far behind the engine.

O2

[RblDiver]

I'm pretty skinny and I cannot even imagine getting my shoulders outside a plane window, let alone down to my waist. No matter how big the pressure difference.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMHwri8TtNE

[.455_Hunter]

Yabbut. At cruising speed, air is moving over the wing at over 800FPS (heck, I have a 255gr .45ACP bowling pin load that's slower than that!). This leads to an argument to sit exactly perpendicular to the fan blades because the lower mass, high velocity parts will be affected by the wind to a greater degree and swept back more quickly, and the higher mass, lower velocity parts will have more travel time to the fuselage causing them to be swept back as well.

I'm not suprised that the window that suffered the impact was so far behind the engine.

O2

The cone of dispersion would have some bias towards the rear for a plane in flight, but not for a plane revving its engines for take-off . The nearly identical Southwest incident in 2016 resulted in a fuselage puncture that was nearly perpendicular to the fan unit. There are a lot of variables.

[wctriumph]

I was watching on the new this morning. The same thing happened on another South West plane in 2016, same failure of the fan blade on the same engine position.

RIP to the passenger and prayers up to her family.

[Gman]

I'm pretty skinny and I cannot even imagine getting my shoulders outside a plane window, let alone down to my waist. No matter how big the pressure difference.
You're just not using your imagination. When the structures in your body, like bones, tendons, and ligaments are crushed and torn, it's amazing what opening your body can get sucked through. Just by breaking the clavicles, your shoulders can get very narrow.

[Gman]

Vultures fly as hight as 37,000 feet. Just saying.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_birds_by_flight_heights
Since they weren't flying over central Africa...nice try. [Coffee]

[Duman]

Vultures fly as hight as 37,000 feet. Just saying.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_birds_by_flight_heights

Lawyers can fly ?!?

[NFATrustGuy]

Lawyers can fly ?!?

Hey I’m pretty sure you’re being mean! [ROFL1]

To answer your question... yes, we can. As a matter of fact, I was piloting an Airbus out of Trenton, NJ yesterday morning not too long before the Southwest jet had issues. We landed with all our engines intact because that’s just how I roll.

[Gman]

We landed with all our engines intact because that’s just how I roll.
...Lord willing and the creek don't rise.


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[ColoWyo]

Hey I’m pretty sure you’re being mean! [ROFL1]

To answer your question... yes, we can. As a matter of fact, I was piloting an Airbus out of Trenton, NJ yesterday morning not too long before the Southwest jet had issues. We landed with all our engines intact because that’s just how I roll.


Wussy. Anyone can do that.



For the record, I saw NFATrustGuy land in the nastiest, gusty, gnarly ass crosswind, fubar wind I’ve ever seen a jet landed in. He nailed it.

[NFATrustGuy]

...Lord willing and the creek don't rise.


Egg-Zachary.

[NFATrustGuy]

Wussy. Anyone can do that.



For the record, I saw NFATrustGuy land in the nastiest, gusty, gnarly ass crosswind, fubar wind I’ve ever seen a jet landed in. He nailed it.

Thanks for the compliment. Truth be told, I probably had my eyes closed. That stuff scares the shit out of me.

Was that the DCA landing? I can’t remember who I was flying with, but that is a landing I still remember.

[Honey Badger282.8]

An engine failure is one thing, I'm more afraid of a wing falling off like what happend to the Embry Riddle plane in Florida.

[Gman]

An engine failure is one thing, I'm more afraid of a wing falling off like what happend to the Embry Riddle plane in Florida.A wing falling off a Boeing? Have you ever seen video of them testing a wing to failure? Amazing stuff.

ETA: Found one for the 777;

http://youtu.be/Ai2HmvAXcU0

[68Charger]

If you load em into a trebuchet, sure!

That's not flying... it's no different than a bullet.

Flying requires lift... [rules]

[ColoWyo]

Thanks for the compliment. Truth be told, I probably had my eyes closed. That stuff scares the shit out of me.

Was that the DCA landing? I can’t remember who I was flying with, but that is a landing I still remember.

Nope. It was in Denver. 35R.

[Wolfshoon]

Catastrophic engine failure at 33000 feet combined with sudden cabin depressurization, almost a worst case scenario. In addition to loss of engine (half your thrust is now gone) you are also dealing with depressurization and at that altitude hypoxia sets in pretty quick, literally within a minute. O2 masks are set to drop somewhere between 12500-14000 feet and the passenger 02 chemical generators produce for around 10-15 minutes IIRC. Crew 02 tank supply is a good bit longer but they have to get the masks on quickly. Hypoxia is no joke, it puts you into a drunk like state rapidly, the higher the altitude, the lower the 02, the faster hypoxia sets in. I wonder if any of the passengers blacked out. Although, with the passenger's body stuck in the hole, pressure loss probably wasn't as severe.

Standard procedure is to don 02 masks, deal with engine fire (if present), declare emergency on radio and start emergency decent to lower altitude while ascertaining if there are any other problems i.e. loss of flight control, fire, hydraulics, electrical, etc. That rapid descent probably made the passengers feel like they were crashing to their deaths, definitely not a flight I'd want to be on.

Kudos to the crew and passengers who helped. Condolences for the poor lady at the window. Modern aircraft flight crew training covers these scenarios and saved this plane from crashing. I used to fly twice a month for field service over 10 years, glad I finally got out of that part of the business.

Add edit for this link to hypoxia, look at chart down page and how fast it sets in: https://www.skybrary.aero/index.php/Hypoxia_(OGHFA_BN)

[Irving]

How exactly does the crew "deal with engine fire" in mid-flight? I know nothing about aircraft. Is there some sort of fire suppression system in place for the engines?

[DenverGP]

How exactly does the crew "deal with engine fire" in mid-flight? I know nothing about aircraft. Is there some sort of fire suppression system in place for the engines?

There are 2 engine fire extinguisher bottles.

When the system detects an engine fire, the large "1" or "2" handles light up indicating a fire. Pulling the handle up shuts down the engine, shuts off the fuel supply to that engine, shuts off the hydraulics on that engine, and allows the handle to then turn left or right to activate either the left or right fire extinguisher bottle.

Typical procedure is to activate first bottle, then contact air traffic control, and if fire didn't go out with first bottle, use the second bottle.

From a 737 flight sim:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7M0F9Az8x0

[Joe_K]

Since they weren't flying over central Africa...nice try. [Coffee]

Way to stereotype and claim African Vultures only belong in the air over Africa! I’m calling my representative over at the NAACTV, National Association for the Advancement of Colored Turkey Vultures and report this insidious talk.


“Don’t go slow, be careful” Jedi

[Bailey Guns]

^^ Now you're just vulture signalling.

[Gman]

I judge vultures by the content of their character, not the color of their feathers.

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[Irving]

^^ Now you're just vulture signalling.

Winner.

[RblDiver]

74436

You can see three people's faces and masks clearly in this photo. All of those three need to pay better attention to the flight attendant. The mask goes over the nose and mouth, not the mouth and chin.

[crays]

Not if you're a mouthbreather. [Coffee]

[Gman]

That's funny right there!

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