View Full Version : But, Waffle House is a Gun Free Zone
Zundfolge
04-22-2018, 08:53
source (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/04/22/waffle-house-shooting-leaves-3-dead-4-wounded-gunman-sought.html)
Authorities launched a dragnet for a shooter who gunned down at least four people and injured several others at a Tennessee Waffle House early Sunday before a "hero" patron wrestled the weapon away, police said.
A 29-year-old patron attempting to flee the gunfire saw the shooter struggling with the rifle at one point. The man charged at the shooter, wrestled the weapon away and tossed it over the restaurant’s counter.
"He is the hero here and no doubt he saved many lives by wrestling the gun away," Aaron said.
Cordero said he also saw a man who "jumped in" as the gunman was reloading the rifle.
"There's a gentleman who was in there that when the guy stopped to reload his gun he jumped him," Cordero recalled. "Had that guy reloaded, there was plenty of people in that restaurant that would not have made it home this morning."
Too bad the good guy didn't have a gun and could have prevented the manhunt.
Anyway, F Waffle House ... their food is crap and the anti-gun position of corporate makes their businesses just too dangerous to patronize.
Bailey Guns
04-22-2018, 09:07
Anyway, F Waffle House ... the anti-gun position of corporate is crap and their food makes their businesses just too dangerous to patronize.
That was just begging to be fixed.
Zundfolge
04-22-2018, 09:14
That was just begging to be fixed.
Fair enough :p
68Charger
04-22-2018, 09:21
yeah, pile on another reason on top of them swapping the #1 spot for food poisoning with Led Robster most of the time...
That was just begging to be fixed.
[LOL]
eddiememphis
04-22-2018, 10:10
The news just had a witness state the murderer used an assault rifle. I wonder how he got his hands on a full auto firearm???
Gcompact30
04-22-2018, 10:50
Well that stupid sign in the window did not work as planned.... prayers to the families.
They will use this reload takedown opportunity as more "proof" that high capacity magazines (their words, not mine) are evil.
Didn’t realize Awful House is a “gun free” zone.
.455_Hunter
04-22-2018, 11:39
Didn’t realize Awful House is a “gun free” zone.
Unfortunately, Tennessee is one of those state where a stupid little "gunbuster" sign on a door or window has legal authority over your right to self defense.
eddiememphis
04-22-2018, 12:27
U.S. Rep. Jim Cooper, D-Nashville:
“Nashville woke up to devastating news. We mourn the innocent victims and thank our brave first responders.
“Many will say now is not the time to discuss change. But now IS the time. We can and must do everything possible to prevent these tragedies and keep Americans safe. That starts with restricting widespread civilian access to military-grade assault weapons.”
At least he didn't say it was a high power rifle.
bkincaid
04-22-2018, 13:31
U.S. Rep. Jim Cooper, D-Nashville:
“Nashville woke up to devastating news. We mourn the innocent victims and thank our brave first responders.
“Many will say now is not the time to discuss change. But now IS the time. We can and must do everything possible to prevent these tragedies and keep Americans safe. That starts with restricting widespread civilian access to military-grade assault weapons.”
At least he didn't say it was a high power rifle.
The mayor of Nashville was just on parroting basically the same message
Now is the time for change. Time to ban gun free zones. Time to eliminate permits for exercising basic rights. Time to issue an American Rifle (AR) to each citizen following training on proper use and safety upon graduating high school.
DavieD55
04-22-2018, 15:43
Now is the time for change. Time to ban gun free zones. Time to eliminate permits for exercising basic rights.
This ^
eddiememphis
04-22-2018, 16:04
That starts with restricting widespread civilian access to military-grade assault weapons.”
What is military grade? The rifle or the round? If it is the 5.56x45, would a .223 still be legal? What about 7.62x51 vs. .308. For that matter, 7.62x39 is a military round, as is 30-06, 30 carbine and even the 45-70!
I guess that is the problem with politicians spouting platitudes. They want their voters the think they are doing something to warrant votes, even if their solutions make zero sense.
I guess that is the problem with politicians spouting platitudes. They want their voters the think they are doing something to warrant votes, even if their solutions make zero sense.
It's certainly worked for Chicago.
Year to Date
Shot & Killed: 111
Shot & Wounded: 549
Total Shot: 660
Total Homicides: 139
https://heyjackass.com
Waffle House suspect arrested last year by Secret Service (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/4-dead-in-waffle-house-shooting-in-tennessee-suspect-sought/ar-AAwbE4p)
The AR-15 used in the shooting and the handgun were among four firearms that authorities took from Reinking after U.S. Secret Service agents arrested him last July for being in a restricted area near the White House, officials said. Special Agent Todd Hudson said Reinking was detained after refusing to leave the restricted area, later explaining he wanted to meet President Donald Trump.
State police in Illinois, where Reinking lived until last fall, revoked his state firearms card at the request of the FBI and the four guns were taken from him, authorities said. Nashville Police spokesman Don Aaron said the guns were returned to his father, who told authorities Sunday he had given the weapons to his son.
[Bang]
So, the dad needs to be prosecuted for providing firearms to a prohibited person and accessory to murder?
eddiememphis
04-22-2018, 17:40
So, the dad needs to be prosecuted for providing firearms to a prohibited person and accessory to murder?
I would think so. Same as a proxy purchase.
CoGirl303
04-22-2018, 17:54
Unfortunately, Tennessee is one of those state where a stupid little "gunbuster" sign on a door or window has legal authority over your right to self defense.
ONLY...if the proper signage is displayed in accordance with the Tennessee Code Annotated.
If it's not properly displayed in the proper location and it doesn't have TCA approved verbiage verbatim, it has no force of law.
Several businesses have found that out the hard way by posting generic No Guns Allowed signs they bought at the hardware store instead of the state issued signs stating No Firearms Allowed in accordance with T.C.A. law code and section (I used to know it by heart but its been 5 years since I lived there).
So, the dad needs to be prosecuted for providing firearms to a prohibited person and accessory to murder?
damn straight he does.
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.455_Hunter
04-22-2018, 19:00
OK, so its like the TX 30-06 sign.
hollohas
04-22-2018, 20:25
I've asked the question many times here after these shootings. Why didn't anyone stand up and fight?
This guy did. It's about damn time a man stood up and fought back, even without a gun. Good job bro.
Dude gets grazed, grabs a hot barrel, pulls the gun away saving other lives...and goes to church later. What a guy.
CoGirl303
04-22-2018, 20:26
OK, so its like the TX 30-06 sign.
not familiar with Texas or their laws.
A simple sign with a gun and a red circle and bar over the gun is not sufficient in Tennessse. It must have the T.C.A. code and section printed on it as well and be displayed on the front door or right next to it in the window by the door(s) at all entrances and exits.
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OtterbatHellcat
04-22-2018, 22:03
Shooter....thanks for being a douchefag.
eddiememphis
04-22-2018, 22:41
Shooter....thanks for being a douchefag.
This nut is not a shooter. He is a murderer.
GeorgeandSugar
04-23-2018, 04:12
WOW!!
“While Huston said it was unclear how Reinking reclaimed the guns, Nashville Police spokesman Don Aaron said that his father "has now acknowledged giving them back to his son."
Stupid knows no bounds! Shame on the father.
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theGinsue
04-23-2018, 05:37
In Illinois, you can lose your Firearms Owners Identification (FOID) Card for moving..as little as 2 blocks on the same street, and thus your RIGHT to own/posess a firearm. I know this because a month after moving, I attempted to purchase a firearm and found I had forgotten to re-apply for an updated FOID and was denied. While no one came for my guns, I was essentially a "prohibited person" in the eyes of IL FOR THE 2 weeks it took to get an updated card (I was blessed to get the process expedited).
I tell you this because it's possible the father had no idea why his son lost his FOID and had his firearms removed. If this is the case then when the son moved out of state he would have no reason not to return his sons firearms.
I'm saying this is a possibility, but I think that it's also highly unlikely.
Life has a "people" problem. Not a "gun" problem.
History has shown this.
...but fixing people is hard, especially when you have people trying to break as many as possible to upset a sound society.
ETA: Waffle House perp is now in custody
Just reported he had a Colorado ID
eddiememphis
04-23-2018, 14:39
Just reported he had a Colorado ID
News says he lived in Salida for a while as a crane operator. Cop caught him in the woods. He turned around with his hands up and asked for a lawyer. Seems he is a sovereign citizen guy or something like that.
RblDiver
04-23-2018, 15:56
He's been arrested. Sounds like a total nutjob. "...Reinking went to a local pool in Illinois wearing a pink dress and swam in his underwear while coaxing life guards to fight him."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/04/23/waffle-house-shooting-travis-reinking-manhunt-continues-nashville-police-say
CoGirl303
04-24-2018, 07:41
If I'm an attorney, I get with the victims families and file a lawsuit against Waffle House under premises liability law.
They posted signs that their establishment is gun free in accordance with Tennessee law, they now have a responsibility to protect them since they have removed their patrons rights to protect themselves.
They didn't have an armed security guard on hand to protect their patrons. They were negligent and it cost people their lives.
I'd also be sure to hold a bunch of press conferences and make sure the media got ahold of it. Makes things real messy for businesses that pull the no guns allowed stunt.
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Aloha_Shooter
04-24-2018, 11:18
Suing Waffle House does nothing but make another tort lawyer rich. Anyone who was intent on protecting him/herself shouldn't patronize an establishment that posts those signs.
Far better to collect a listing of all establishments that post said signs and publicize the heck out of the listing so responsible gun owners know where to avoid. If it just so happens that makes said establishments targets for armed criminals ... well ...
CoGirl303
04-24-2018, 18:46
Suing Waffle House does nothing but make another tort lawyer rich. Anyone who was intent on protecting him/herself shouldn't patronize an establishment that posts those signs.
Far better to collect a listing of all establishments that post said signs and publicize the heck out of the listing so responsible gun owners know where to avoid. If it just so happens that makes said establishments targets for armed criminals ... well ...
wrong. it will set a precedent that companies that forbid their patrons from carrying guns that they can and will be held liable when unarmed patrons are injured or killed due to their anti-gun stances.
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wrong. it will set a precedent that companies that forbid their patrons from carrying guns that they can and will be held liable when unarmed patrons are injured or killed due to their anti-gun stances.
No it wouldn't. A case like that will lose just about every time, because it is an extremely weak argument.
Every time CoGirl303 goes on a “legal” rant, I picture the scene in Cable Guy where Chip Douglas tells Steven he’s going to put the system on trial.
wrong. it will set a precedent that companies that forbid their patrons from carrying guns that they can and will be held liable when unarmed patrons are injured or killed due to their anti-gun stances.
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkWrong, it would set a further precedent that individuals are not responsible for themselves, and all responsibility falls on business owners and manufacturers of goods.
We DEFINITELY do not want to go there.
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Aloha_Shooter
04-24-2018, 21:24
wrong. it will set a precedent that companies that forbid their patrons from carrying guns that they can and will be held liable when unarmed patrons are injured or killed due to their anti-gun stances.
Not only are you completely wrong but I would hate to be in a country where you were right. Property rights are fundamental in this country and have been since its founding. Freedom of choice means we don't have to patronize businesses where we feel unsafe.
Dragging liability lawyers into a situation where someone made a conscious decision to patronize a business only benefits the lawyers. The only situation I can think of where I would condone your proposed tactic is when it involves the government pushing a law or rule forbidding citizens from exercising their rights in order to do something they MUST do while not providing for their security, like declaring gun-free zones then requiring you to enter said zones to pay your taxes, vote, etc.
CoGirl303
04-27-2018, 08:08
Not only are you completely wrong but I would hate to be in a country where you were right. Property rights are fundamental in this country and have been since its founding. Freedom of choice means we don't have to patronize businesses where we feel unsafe.
If you go into a business and fall on a wet floor and no "wet floor" sign is displayed, the business is liable for your injuries.
Removing someone's divine right to protect themselves is no different. They have a duty to ensure a safe environment regardless if the patrons are pro-gun or anti-gun. Their political stance on guns shouldn't be a factor in their safety.
If you come to my apartment and get hurt, I have liability under my homeowners insurance.
I once lived in a college apt complex off campus in Tennessee. They prohibited possession of firearms on the premises. I was reported by a lousy roommate who saw me cleaning my carry weapon. To be honest I only skimmed the contract and didn't realize guns weren't allowed. Apt complex started raising hell, so I contacted an attorney and he looked the lease over and sent me a legal link and told me to demand the apt complex put in security gates with code or badge access and security camera's around the complex and armed security patrolling (of which they had none of that). I forwarded the link and demands to the apt manager. The issue was promptly dropped by the complex and I was told to "keep it on the down low" from then on.
The Broncos and Rockies dont allow carry in their facilities BUT they have armed police on hand, camera's, gated entrances that require tickets or media passes, ie adequate security.
Property owners have a duty under premises liability law.
Waffle House is already terrified of being sued because they just pledged a month's worth of sales to the surviving victims and the families of the deceased. Their actions cost people their lives. Plain and simple.
We argue the concept all the time that had one armed person been inside Parkland or Columbine when they happened, the deaths might have been entirely eliminated or drastically minimized...this isn't any different.
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You absolutely cannot argue that Waffle House's actions killed anyone in this instance. Not in good conscience anyway. Your apartment complex example is embarrassing. Rather than follow private property rules, you fake lawyered up to get your way. That is completely petty and the world needs less lawyers like that, not more.
CoGirl303
04-27-2018, 08:22
You absolutely cannot argue that Waffle House's actions killed anyone in this instance. Not in good conscience anyway. Your apartment complex example is embarrassing. Rather than follow private property rules, you fake lawyered up to get your way. That is completely petty and the world needs less lawyers like that, not more.
I absolutely can and did. If they dont have that policy, who is to say a concealed carrier isnt there that night and takes the scumbag out early?
No, that's called tact and using your brain. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
Ironically, the little bastard that reported me and another roommate got held up at gunpoint at the ATM at the bank 400 yards away 4 weeks later by a couple of black men. Not another word was spoken about my handgun again, lol.
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I'm not sure which dictionary you use, but somehow we have a different understanding of what is tactful. Using ambulance chasing attorneys to try and alter a legally binding contract that you DIDN'T READ, after the you signed isn't it.
kidicarus13
04-27-2018, 12:08
...got held up at gunpoint at the ATM at the bank 400 yards away 4 weeks later by a couple of black men.
That's racist
hollohas
04-27-2018, 13:20
Raise of hands...who has, in the process of entering a store of building (other than Federal, etc), have seen a sign that said "no guns", and turned around to put their gun back in their car?
Who have turned around to go home if they saw such a sign?
Anyone? Bueller?
If you did enter such a facility after ditching your gun, you made a choice to enter that place with ZERO reason to assume they would provide security in place of your now missing personal protection tool. Nadda.
And if you didn't have a gun in the first place and entered the facility, you had no assumpition of safety to begin with. And no grounds to file a claim because them not having sercurity didn't change anything from the state you were in before you entered.
Businesses have no obligation to protect you.
PS - the world is a dangerous place. That's just the way it is. We are not entitled to anyone providing safety and security for us.
I'm not sure in what fantasy land one could successfully sue for not wanting to follow the rules laid down by a private property owner. Perhaps the Law Offices of Bell, Hook, and Smeede, where they never never stop fighting for you! could provide us some insight into that universe. However, the reality that we live in, where the courts have found that even the police have no legal obligation to protect the public, I'd have a pretty difficult time believing that you'd be able to force a f'ing waffle restaurant to do so.
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