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They had nice products, but at exorbitant prices that I wasn’t willing to pay. I’ll buy some RTIC products now at reduced prices compared to Yeti.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/04/21/yeti-coolers-cuts-ties-with-nra-foundation/amp/
eddiememphis
04-22-2018, 16:20
https://www.yeti.com/contact-us.html
Let 'em know caving into pressure from the far left can hurt their bottom line.
BushMasterBoy
04-22-2018, 16:46
Their store location AKA HQ....looks like an alien head with a vagina brain. I have an $800 Yeti ice chest I love. Why would they do this to me?
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Apparently they don't understand their customer base. I'm hoping this is 'educational'.
JohnnyEgo
04-22-2018, 17:06
Their store location AKA HQ....looks like an alien head with a vagina brain. I have an $800 Yeti ice chest I love. Why would they do this to me?
74493
You could load it up with guns and NRA hats and magazines, make sure the logo is showing when you take a picture, and then plaster it all over their social media accounts. Sort of like the conservative equivalent of a Maplethorp photo.
T. B. Turner
04-22-2018, 18:07
I wonder if they will pull their product line from all the Cabelas stores?
TEAMRICO
04-22-2018, 18:12
Well I was gonna get the Walmart version anyways. No way could I afford $300 for cooler to hold $30 worth of food.
I can’t believe they did that, glad I bought an RTIC cooler instead. How stupid, hope there company goes under!!!
Jeffrey Lebowski
04-22-2018, 18:27
They had nice products, but at exorbitant prices that I wasn’t willing to pay. I’ll buy some RTIC products now at reduced prices compared to Yeti.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/04/21/yeti-coolers-cuts-ties-with-nra-foundation/amp/
I did notice RTIC was capitalizing on 2A today on social media and had wondered about that.
However, owning some of both, the Yeti bottles > > RTIC. My RTIC leaks like a seive.
In terms of roto coolers, can't say I notice a ton of difference yet.
Anyone who thinks this will hurt yeti's bottom line in any significant fashion is pissing into the wind.
They have a HUGE customer base with the libtard/sjw/boutique gear crowd. Anyone work around any junior engineers, HR, EHS management-hopeful, or other overtly liberal persons?
What do they have in their hand or on their desk EVERY day? Usually not the same one every day, either... Right? They will not lose that, and they will likely gain a few points within that base.
Do conservative, 2A friendly people own/use value their product? Sure. We like shit that actually works, and if it works, we use it. We will pay a premium for premium performance. We will also seek out similarly performing products for a cheaper price because we value performance over branding hype. We are not without our brand conscious, glamour seekers though. You all know at least one or two. Hell, you might be one. Or at least a fanboi about something.
Plenty of over tatooed, affliction shirt and sparkly pocket jeans and trucker hat (or flat brim) wearing, lifted truck driving "2A supporters" love the product as well. They aren't going to give it up. They may crow the loudest about "screw yeti" , but they want to feel important and GET LAID. They are COMPELLED to have the kool krap. They will, largely, not change their consumption habits until it is favorable to their perception of others perception of them.
Will some leftie leaning folks go ahead and spend the money for a yeti now, that wouldn't have before? Probably more than is reasonable, but not enough to spike the company's earnings. And probably not enough volume of higher ticket items to be noticed. We're talking coffee cups, lunch bags and tote coolers, more than family or expedition size hard side coolers.
If you are a fan of yeti products because they have performed well for you, are you going to shitcan them and go spend several hundreds, or even thousands of dollars to replace them with duplicate items because that company is 2A friendly today? Probably not. If it ain't broken, why replace it, right? Sure, we'll scrutinize new purchases to "vote with our wallets" when we need a new or replacement item, but we're not hurting anyone by not buying new products we weren't going to anyway.
There is no shame (okay, maybe some) in continuing to use a product that works, that you already own. If your own personal conviction does not allow that, fine. Each to his own.
All that said, I support the abstinence from our side purchasing any further products from the aforementioned company. There are viable, and sometimes cheaper alternatives. I myself own a half dozen or so RTIC bottles is various sizes, as well as several coffee cups (I have a personal aversion to referring to them as tumblers).
I own a single large yeti coffee cup, which was a gift/award from work. The lid just failed on that, and it is going to cost more for a replacement lid (with the slider) than any of my RTIC cups cost me new. I guess that one did just become a tumbler...
YMMV
What perfect timing, my wife was about to order a large Yeti off Amazon for my birthday last week when I saw this. We were literally just minutes from hitting submit. :)
I did write to the above comment page; I'm very curious to see if they'll respond. I also pointed out that I'm not going to trash my current small cooler, but I told them I'll be happy to explain Yeti's 2A stance when people ask about them... which happens more than I thought it would. Maybe a nice hammer and sickle sticker below their name, and I'll just say that they gave them out to current owners when they decided to cave..... or more likely embrace their beliefs.
I’ll send $10 to the first member who shoots their Yeti cooler full of holes and posts it on YouTube. If a few other members pitch in, you can go out and buy a new non-Yeti cooler!
I’ll send $10 to the first member who shoots their Yeti full of holes and posts it on YouTube. If a few other members pitch in, you can go out and buy a new non-Yeti cooler!
I'm in for $10
I never saw a reason for spending that much on a cooler anyway. I have a Coleman Xtreme series cooler that keeps ice frozen just as well as my buddy’s same size Yeti for a fraction of the price. We’ve done a side by side test in elk camp.
Jeffrey Lebowski
04-22-2018, 19:52
We were literally just minutes from hitting submit. :)
I did today too. Just before I saw this thread.
Ordered my wife two custom lowballers for mother's day. We have 2 for camping that are in the house for winter for whiskey. And my wife loves the occasional whiskey. Made a point to say as much today after a rough day. So, there's that. Would I do it differently knowing this? [Dunno] Crays makes an interesting point.
Again, for cups and bottles, Yeti > > RTIC.
We've got some of the Members Mark 30oz tumblers and I can't tell the difference between them and the Yeti. Lids are also interchangeable. Not sure who makes the MM ones but they're damn good.
Suddenly across the gun community people see the emperor has no clothes, and realize that Yeti coolers are way overpriced and overrated.
Bailey Guns
04-22-2018, 20:26
I have an $800 Yeti ice chest I love.
Holy shit! I could buy a refrigerator and a generator to power it for that.
I've never bought a Yeti product. Never will.
Yeti is a big player in outdoor camping and hunting products. WAY over priced as mentioned before but still well made and very well marketed stuff.
I'm guessing this is a big shift in their target clientele, and they will develop much smaller coolers for picnics on the grass with Chablis and Brie!
buffalobo
04-22-2018, 20:57
Holy shit! I could buy a refrigerator and a generator to power it for that.
I've never bought a Yeti product. Never will.Or an RTIC.
Grant H.
04-22-2018, 21:02
My walmart version of the Yeti/RTIC coffee cup works just as well as a handful Yeti's that some of the guys I work with have.
And it was $9.
I've never seen the point of owning Yeti, given RTIC as a competitor with literally identical offerings (before the lawsuit - similar offerings post lawsuit) for half the price.
We have a Yeti Soft Cooler that we were given for ordering more than $10k of radios for a project, and it sure isn't worth the $300 it would have cost to buy. At least not to me.
But, it is true that things are worth what people are willing to pay for them. If people are willing to pay that much for a cooler, good on them for getting that kind of money out of their customer base...
Aloha_Shooter
04-22-2018, 21:22
I'm curious about the claims that Yeti's cups are better than RTIC's given the previous copyright infringement lawsuit. My RTIC bottles and cups work just fine and I liked the price points much better than Yeti's. Having said that, I used the link above to let them know they are off the list of potential products for my upcoming cooler replacements.
Maybe that country singer will write a new song to rectify his feelings.
This thread really wants me to go to yak and yeti for lunch. I was thinking about that place for over a year, and I haven't been there yet.
OtterbatHellcat
04-22-2018, 21:54
Thanks for the heads up, KS.
Nice post, Crays.
I don't own any yeti products, and there's no fvckin way I will now.
Zundfolge
04-22-2018, 22:03
I have an $800 Yeti ice chest I love. Why would they do this to me?
You paid $800 for a fucking cooler? I hope it keeps food fresh for a century and fellatiates you regularly for that kind of money.
OtterbatHellcat
04-22-2018, 22:10
There is a bright side.........I just invented the word Douchefag.
I wont use it when I send my message to Yeti, but they certainly can kiss my ass.
newracer
04-22-2018, 23:27
Rumor is they are going to donate to GOA.
Grant H.
04-23-2018, 00:05
Rumor is they are going to donate to GOA.
If that's the case, I think that would be a very good statement.
Time will tell.
Zundfolge
04-23-2018, 08:41
Rumor is they are going to donate to GOA.
Rumor indeed, only place I find anything about this is an unsubstantiated rumor on the Pirate 4x4 forum. I smell internet hoax, but will reserve judgement for when (if) the facts come out.
SamuraiCO
04-23-2018, 10:00
I have bought cups and was looking to use cabela points to get one of the coolers. They have been sponsors for many of shows we enjoy on places like outdoor network and shooting events and that is why I was a supporter initially.
I can not abide by these spineless companies giving in to social network campaigns set by someone who never has nor never will buy their products and damage their consumer and fan base.
Responded to link above.
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This is the thread where we see that many members have a money tree growing at their house. I cant imagine spending that much money on a cooler. Yeti, rtic, whoever.
Just start a GoFundMe page. Refrigerators and generators aren't Bear proof Bros!
newracer
04-23-2018, 10:37
When I bought my rock crawler it came with a Yeti cooler. I'll admit is't a really nice cooler, not sure if it's $300 nice though.
BushMasterBoy
04-23-2018, 11:07
You paid $800 for a fucking cooler? I hope it keeps food fresh for a century and fellatiates you regularly for that kind of money.
It is also a boat seat. I figured the price of nice seats and the price of a cooler were even more. So I combined the two necessary components. I figured a seat/ cooler was the only route to take. I saved about $400 by this decision. And I have a huge cooler for fish, drinks, food, etc. I like being on the water!
Zundfolge
04-23-2018, 11:49
This is the thread where we see that many members have a money tree growing at their house. I cant imagine spending that much money on a cooler. Yeti, rtic, whoever.
As someone who buys Styrofoam coolers and treats them like treasured family heirlooms, I just don't get the Yeti thing either :p .
hurley842002
04-23-2018, 12:27
This is the thread where we see that many members have a money tree growing at their house. I cant imagine spending that much money on a cooler. Yeti, rtic, whoever.
I think the same thing every time I look at the "Post a picture of your latest purchase" thread, but good for them for playing their financial cards right.
As someone who buys Styrofoam coolers and treats them like treasured family heirlooms, I just don't get the Yeti thing either :p .
Well, what's the longest you've tried to keep ice in the wild?
SuperiorDG
04-23-2018, 12:49
I wonder if REI had anything to do with this.
Well, what's the longest you've tried to keep ice in the wild?
Define "wild". [Coffee]
I get by with an $80 electric Igloo for long road trips. No ice, no mess, cold drinks and food.
Yeah, I know. It's not very exciting.
Define "wild". [Coffee]
I get by with an $80 electric Igloo for long road trips. No ice, no mess, cold drinks and food.
Yeah, I know. It's not very exciting.
About how many elks can you fit in there?
About how many elks can you fit in there?
Processed? Approximately .1 elk.
...wait, you talking about the animals or the fraternal order members?
My wife puts 3 of these in the back of the truck for grocery shopping. $65-70 full price (they go on sale) 150 quarts a piece. 450 quarts total, thats $1.5 million dollars in yeti cooler prices.
they work good, sure they arent as nice as the high end stuff, but good enough for most applications.
https://www.omearacamping.com/ekmps/shops/omeara/images/150-qtz-cooler-box-igloo-maxcold-quick-n-cool-7-day-cooler-free-delivery-3347-p.jpg
Yeah, but you're not going to impress anyone with those. Somebody is probably selling Yeti logo stickers on eBay.
Bailey Guns
04-23-2018, 15:12
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This is the thread where we see that many members have a money tree growing at their house. I cant imagine spending that much money on a cooler. Yeti, rtic, whoever.
LOL, I'm sure we could have similar discussions about Harleys, watches, cars, scopes, etc. There are always people who value some item to a level others think is crazy.
Great-Kazoo
04-23-2018, 15:16
LOL, I'm sure we could have similar discussions about Harleys, watches, cars, scopes, etc. There are always people who value some item to a level others think is crazy.
For a seasonal use item, functional, good reviews, CSR and $$ is how we shop. Never patronized a "trendy" coffee place either. If it works for the end user go for it.
BG, that is one impressive cooler. That's too cool for me!
Bailey Guns
04-23-2018, 15:28
That's the only way I'll ever have a cooler with "Yeti" on it.
Maybe I'll start up a competitor to Yeti called "Not Yeti".
RblDiver
04-23-2018, 15:53
Maybe I'll start up a competitor to Yeti called "Not Yeti".
"Abominable Snowman", er, "Abominable Snowperson", er, "Abominable Snowbeing," er, "Differently-behaved Snowbeing", er, ah forget it.
"Abominable Snowman", er, "Abominable Snowperson", er, "Abominable Snowbeing," er, "Differently-behaved Snowbeing", er, ah forget it.You put food and beverages in a cooler, right?
How about "Abdominal Snowman"?
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You paid $800 for a fucking cooler? I hope it keeps food fresh for a century and fellatiates you regularly for that kind of money.
It's all about context. I feel the exact same way as people who have car payments, but every single month. If you keep your cooler for 15 years, and every time you camp, hunt, fish it saves you a trip to town, then I'd say it's worth it. If you don't ever do anything that requires ice for at least ten days though, then of course you wouldn't want to spend that kind of money.
For the record, I have an RTIC.
buffalobo
04-23-2018, 17:12
I just put Yeti stickers over the Coleman or Igloo logo.
My Yeti cooler is now going to be my ammo box.
Jeffrey Lebowski
04-23-2018, 17:52
I'm curious about the claims that Yeti's cups are better than RTIC's given the previous copyright infringement lawsuit. My RTIC bottles and cups work just fine and I liked the price points much better than Yeti's.
I can't speak to the cups, but I can describe the bottle tribulations of the dude.
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The 3 bottles on the right side are RTIC. The black one furthest I got on sale and was hoping to use as a growler. I did this once, bought the beer on a Thurs, and drank on Fri / Sat. I think something was wrong with the beer, but worse, the top was almost impossible to open and it poured like absolute $#!*. Never again for that. I may use it for water for camping. The red one in the middle is fine. No issues. The orange one I love(d), but on TWO occasions, leaked ALL over the inside of my bag and all over work papers. Just water, but still. OK, maybe the top wasn't on bubba tight, but it wasn't loose. And I have another one like that in the package. :(
The Stanley my BIL got me for a growler. It is awesome. I like it as much as my hydroflasks (not pictured) from the local drinking establishment.
The big green yeti on the far left I bought because two doctors suggested I drink a smoothie daily, so, there I go. $40, and the smoothies were $5 each at work, and I spend $10 for the materials / week.
The smaller green I got because that stupid orange one leaked everywhere. Theoretically, I should be drinking several of those / day. Most days are like today however, and I did not even open it. :( At least I got my smoothie down though.
The yeti bottles have been drama free. I like 'em.
Jeffrey Lebowski
04-23-2018, 17:54
Maybe I'll start up a competitor to Yeti called "Not Yeti".
Be careful with that one...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_South_Butt
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I'm intrigued by this idea of drinking beer out of a thermos. Can you expand on that? Is it for like a camping trip far away from a liquor store that sells bombers, or more like you're a slow drinker like me and by the time you're half way done it's room temperature?
Growler, Irv... He's buying a 1/2 gal of tap micro at the local brewpub as a take-home purchase.
Jeffrey Lebowski
04-23-2018, 17:59
I'm intrigued by this idea of drinking beer out of a thermos. Can you expand on that?
I can try.
I get the drinking establishment to fill the thermos.
Then I close the thermos.
Then I pack the thermos.
Later on, I attempt to open the thermos, based on said quality.
Once open though, I'm like a chocoholic. But for booze.
Yeti has a response on their Facebook page. Not sure this went down quite like the NRA’s claims.
Bailey Guns
04-23-2018, 18:22
I got this in response to an email I sent to them:
We're writing in response to your recent email inquiry.
A few weeks ago, YETI notified the NRA Foundation, as well as a number of other organizations, that we were eliminating a group of outdated discounting programs. When we notified the NRA Foundation and the other organizations of this change, YETI explained that we were offering them an alternative customization program broadly available to consumers and organizations, including the NRA Foundation. These facts directly contradict the inaccurate statement the NRA-ILA distributed on April 20.
Further, the NRA-ILA stated in that same public communication that "[YETI has] declined to continue helping America's young people enjoy outdoor recreational activities." Nothing is further from the truth. YETI was founded more than 10 years ago with a passion for the outdoors, and over the course of our history we have actively and enthusiastically supported hunters, anglers and the broader outdoor community. We have been devoted to and will continue to directly support causes tied to our passion for the outdoors, including by working with many organizations that promote conservation and management of wildlife resources and habitat restoration. From our website to our film footage and from our social media posts to our ambassadors, YETI has always prominently featured hunters pursuing their passions. Moreover, YETI is unwavering in our belief in and commitment to the Constitution of the United States and its Second Amendment.
Thanks for reaching out to YETI.
Now I'm curious about what is really the truth. With all the SJW bullshit that's so in vogue right now, I can't help but think there's some of that in Yeti's decision but that's just speculation on my part.
Carefully crafted blanket response.
I've already seen it posted elsewhere, but was waiting to see if anyone here received it. Read through it a couple of times, and see if you feel they are really saying anything of specific substance.
.
Is NRA over stating what happened, to garner more "boycott" support? Maybe. Is NRA butt hurt that yeti was trying to restructure merch discount/partnership/association deals less in NRA's favor? Maybe.
Is Yeti covering their ass here to maintain a portion of potentially lost market share? Likely. Are they potentially casting the NRA in a bad light to do so, which could work for them, and the rest of the sjw machination in doing so. Could be.
Yeti saves some market share, gains some market share, and makes the NRA look like lying whiny bitches (while, ironically, leaving the table open to future re-negotiated merch agreements with them)?
My opinion is that you could bet your ass on it.
I now have a headache from my foil being too tight...
beast556
04-23-2018, 18:50
Figured I would post this. This is the reply I recived back from yeti
We're writing in response to your recent email inquiry.
A few weeks ago, YETI notified the NRA Foundation, as well as a number of other organizations, that we were eliminating a group of outdated discounting programs. When we notified the NRA Foundation and the other organizations of this change, YETI explained that we were offering them an alternative customization program broadly available to consumers and organizations, including the NRA Foundation. These facts directly contradict the inaccurate statement the NRA-ILA distributed on April 20.
Further, the NRA-ILA stated in that same public communication that "[YETI has] declined to continue helping America's young people enjoy outdoor recreational activities." Nothing is further from the truth. YETI was founded more than 10 years ago with a passion for the outdoors, and over the course of our history we have actively and enthusiastically supported hunters, anglers and the broader outdoor community. We have been devoted to and will continue to directly support causes tied to our passion for the outdoors, including by working with many organizations that promote conservation and management of wildlife resources and habitat restoration. From our website to our film footage and from our social media posts to our ambassadors, YETI has always prominently featured hunters pursuing their passions. Moreover, YETI is unwavering in our belief in and commitment to the Constitution of the United States and its Second Amendment.
Thanks for reaching out to YETI.
Bailey Guns
04-23-2018, 18:50
I'm still not gonna run out and buy anything Yeti.
beast556
04-23-2018, 18:53
Looks like I should of looked at the last few posts.
BushMasterBoy
04-23-2018, 18:53
I saw them load a Yeti on Air Force One... I can't let this thread die!
I saw them load a Yeti on Air Force One... I can't let this thread die!That was just Michelle Obama.
Sent from somewhere...
buffalobo
04-23-2018, 18:59
Wasn't going to buy one before hubbub, not going to buy one after.
buffalobo
04-23-2018, 19:01
That was just Michelle Obama.
Sent from somewhere...10 ring, well played. Nice shot.
10 ring, well played. Nice shot.
*sweeping bow* Thank you, good sir.
Got the same reply, can't really say much either way. To me, they did a good job of walking the political tightrope with this response.
Now maybe a fun thread of "Shit I own that almost none of you would be willing to buy"..... I'll start it off with my Briggs & Riley carry on. 2 years ago I would have thought it was ridiculous, but after pushing my luggage through about 20 different airports on 30 legs so far this year, it's well worth it. If anyone wants a 3-month-old Samsonite spinner with like 4.5* reviews on Amazon, it's yours for free. :) Seriousy.
Any by shit I own, I mean shit we own.
I know where that could find a home. That way, I can quit loaning her my bags...
I know where that could find a home. That way, I can quit loaning her my bags...
LOL, got a great deal on Craigslist. :) And it's a nice hard side carry on but not if you have to walk with it for 5 miles a week.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B013WFNNZI/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
That was just Michelle Obama.
I usually scoff at those types of comments, but that was perfectly executed.
LOL, got a great deal on Craigslist. :) And it's a nice hard side carry on but not if you have to walk with it for 5 miles a week.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B013WFNNZI/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I'll take it if no one else does. I've been pretty busy up North so I can't come down and get it as quickly as usual.
Speaking of shit I own that is currently useless, reminds me of a thread I need to start.
I'll take it if no one else does. I've been pretty busy up North so I can't come down and get it as quickly as usual.
Speaking of shit I own that is currently useless, reminds me of a thread I need to start.
It's yours! Now I'm thinking of the rifles I've bought over the last 4 years and never shot..... those probably need to go. 300WM anyone. :)
Jeffrey Lebowski
04-23-2018, 19:29
Is NRA over stating what happened, to garner more "boycott" support? Maybe. Is NRA butt hurt that yeti was trying to restructure merch discount/partnership/association deals less in NRA's favor? Maybe.
Is Yeti covering their ass here to maintain a portion of potentially lost market share? Likely. Are they potentially casting the NRA in a bad light to do so, which could work for them, and the rest of the sjw machination in doing so. Could be.
Yeti saves some market share, gains some market share, and makes the NRA look like lying whiny bitches (while, ironically, leaving the table open to future re-negotiated merch agreements with them)?
My opinion is that you could bet your ass on it.
Probably all true.
What I never heard in all of this is Yeti dumping NRA...to go donate to Brady Campaign or something of that sort.
I'm saying this as a fan of business more than a fan of Yeti, but I dislike when people go on a boycott because a company or charity pulled support. Even if they didn't support the opposite. This happened with Komen and Planned Parenthood a few years back. Komen pulled donations and people were furious. Are you so entitled to donations? Is an independent entity not allowed to decide how best to spend their money? Just because someone donated once, it is a liability in perpetuity? Do you live your own lives like this?
Vote with your checkbook, sure. If you don't like Yeti, save your money. (It probably is overpriced) My life doesn't fit into a perfect box, and neither does every last product I buy. Patagonia was a brand trashed on here by someone not long ago. I really like their fishing stuff, and I know several others here do as well. I think they are a marketing machine (first), but also doing good for the environment in an area Trump is wrong. And reluctantly, I really came to like their products. On accident. The NRA is far from perfect, and they can be whiny. And I say this as an NRA life member. None of this Yeti / NRA stuff would have changed my opinion on either company, personally.
hollohas
04-23-2018, 19:42
I own a Yeti, but won it in a free raffle.
Say want you want about the overpriced coolers. They took something that most people had a hard time spending $75 for and somehow convinced many of those same people they now needed to spend $400+ for. That's damn good business.
Starting a fight with the NRA? Probably not so good business.
I did purchase a RTIC. They had a huge sale sometime years back. I got the big one for $140. That seemed more reasonable.
They're identical and I think very well made. I expect them to last me a lifetime.
BushMasterBoy
04-23-2018, 19:59
I am afraid to do an inventory of my coolers. I think I have one of every cooler mentioned in this thread. I'm cooler than I thought. lol
Great-Kazoo
04-23-2018, 20:07
I am afraid to do an inventory of my coolers. I think I have one of every cooler mentioned in this thread. I'm cooler than I thought. lol
Chill out.
ChadAmberg
04-23-2018, 20:21
If people bought their coolers, then returned them a couple days later, generally they have to be sent back to the manufacturer, which costs them money.
Wouldn't it be interesting if lots and lots of NRA members bought lots of their coolers, then returned them?
Shooter45
04-23-2018, 20:28
Something I read from the Boone and Crockett club:
STATEMENT FROM YETI:
April 23, 2018
A few weeks ago, YETI notified the NRA Foundation, as well as a number of other organizations, that we were eliminating a group of outdated discounting programs. When we notified the NRA Foundation and the other organizations of this change, YETI explained that we were offering them an alternative customization program broadly available to consumers and organizations, including the NRA Foundation. These facts directly contradict the inaccurate statement the NRA-ILA distributed on April 20.
Further, the NRA-ILA stated in that same public communication that “[YETI has] declined to continue helping America’s young people enjoy outdoor recreational activities.” Nothing is further from the truth. YETI was founded more than 10 years ago with a passion for the outdoors, and over the course of our history we have actively and enthusiastically supported hunters, anglers and the broader outdoor community. We have been devoted to and will continue to directly support causes tied to our passion for the outdoors, including by working with many organizations that promote conservation and management of wildlife resources and habitat restoration. From our website to our film footage and from our social media posts to our ambassadors, YETI has always prominently featured hunters pursuing their passions. Moreover, YETI is unwavering in our belief in and commitment to the Constitution of the United States and its Second Amendment.
Note: YETI is a supporter of the Boone and Crockett Club's conservation and fair chase efforts.
I am afraid to do an inventory of my coolers. I think I have one of every cooler mentioned in this thread. I'm cooler than I thought. lol
Get a Frigid-Rigid. The rest won't compare. Mind kept ice for 17 days during the hurricanes in FL in 2004.
http://www.frigidrigid.com
A bit more costly, but a whole lot better than a rotomolded cooler.
Aloha_Shooter
04-24-2018, 06:32
I got the same reply via email. I trust NRA-ILA more than I do Austinites selling overpriced coolers and tumblers. Timing of Yeti's restructure of "outdated discounting" program is suspicious -- I just think they realized who their largest customer base is and they can't virtue signal like REI.
Bailey Guns
04-24-2018, 07:06
I'm curious if this had anything to do with Yeti's decision:
Cooler-Maker Yeti Puts IPO Plans on Ice
Yeti kills plans for initial public offering, citing ‘market conditions’
By Maureen Farrell
Updated March 26, 2018 7:10 p.m. ET
Yeti Holdings Inc., the maker of Rambler mugs and pricey coolers, has ended its plans to go public, citing “market conditions.”
After reading a story about the whole fiasco on Fox this morning it sounds like the backlash against Yeti was pretty severe. I'm guessing they're in damage control mode right now. Who knows? I do think a lot of people are pretty tired of the SJW crap coming from a lot of companies and are starting to push back, maybe even when it's not entirely deserved (such as in this case with Yeti).
I'm guessing, though, this latest announcement isn't going to help "market conditions" at all in the short term.
(Apologies if someone's already mentioned the company's attempts to go public...I didn't see it.)
Honey Badger282.8
04-24-2018, 08:23
That IPO statement was released a month prior to the NRA statement. Honestly, I think this had more to do with Yeti not having enough of a profit margin on that program.
Jeffrey Lebowski
04-24-2018, 08:40
That IPO statement was released a month prior to the NRA statement. Honestly, I think this had more to do with Yeti not having enough of a profit margin on that program.
Yep, and they’ve toyed with the IPO idea 3x now. I don’t think offering estimates are that lucrative for them to have to flip into Sarbox mode and everything that goes with that.
Bailey Guns
04-24-2018, 09:28
My point was the IPO offering decision might've made them think it would be more profitable to go after a different segment of the population.
colorider
04-24-2018, 09:41
How about we wait till the NRA or Yeti publish the original letter that was sent to the NRA. I'm interested in why neither has shown it. I'm holding out on making a judgement until I see it.
hollohas
04-24-2018, 22:19
Sounds like Yeti cutting ties was actually a bit more than just removing support of the foundation through a discounting program. Apparently Yeti reneged on a previous order and them cutting ties with the foundation was actually a termination of a multi-year agreement.
Per an article on Breitbart quoting the NRA associate...
YETI severed ties with the NRA and is now engaging in damage control after a backlash from many of its customers. In early March, YETI refused to place a previously negotiated order from NRA-ILA, citing “recent events” as the reason – a clear reference to the tragedy in Parkland, Florida. YETI then delivered notice to the NRA Foundation that it was terminating a 7-year agreement and demanded that the NRA remove the YETI name and logo from all NRA digital assets, as well as refrain from using any YETI trademarks in future print material. While YETI is trying to spin the story otherwise, those are the facts. While Yeti can choose to run from the NRA, they can’t run from the facts.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/04/24/former-nra-president-doubles-yeti-demanded-nra-cease-using-cooler-company-logo/
colorider
04-24-2018, 22:28
I still want to see a copy of the email or letter from Yeti. Not that I doubt the NRA, but I'd still like to see original documents. That would stomp Yeti in it's furry balls. It does seem like Yeti is doing damage control after they figured out their cutting ties was a poor business move.
Videos of coolers being blown up
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5651633/Yeti-defends-belief-Second-Amendment-dispute-NRA.html
Grant H.
04-24-2018, 22:34
Videos of coolers being blown up
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5651633/Yeti-defends-belief-Second-Amendment-dispute-NRA.html
To paraphrase Easy E from "Straight out of Compton":
"They can do whatever they want with 'em. They paid for 'em"...
Yeti doesn't care if people blow up their own Yeti merchandise. They already went to the bank, laughing all the way...
This is entertaining for me.
Videos of coolers being blown up
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5651633/Yeti-defends-belief-Second-Amendment-dispute-NRA.html
Better idea would’ve been to sell it and go buy a Pelican cooler.
thedave1164
04-25-2018, 05:49
If the NRA was lying, you can bet your boots that y3t1 would be sending cease and desist letters along with threatening to sue.
I also suspect the NRA doesn't yet want to go nuclear with Yeti allowing them to change their position and save face.
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hollohas
04-25-2018, 06:18
I think some of these companies do underestimate the NRA. Say what you will about their success protecting our gun rights, they do have a large and strong following. As large as their membership is, even non members react when they think a company may be attacking the NRA.
Right or wrong, it seems like Yeti may have made a strategic mistake here.
Jeffrey Lebowski
04-25-2018, 06:31
I think some of these companies do underestimate the NRA. Say what you will about their success protecting our gun rights, they do have a large and strong following. As large as their membership is, even non members react when they think a company may be attacking the NRA.
Right or wrong, it seems like Yeti may have made a strategic mistake here.
The lesson I learned, if I run some business, is to stay TF away from go. Don't get involved, don't get political on this one (or any). Again, I say this as an NRA life member. Look at these rental car places and hotels and what-not. You're going to piss off half your customer base if you do something and if you do not. And how much business did Hertz get from NRA members? It is a commodity, most folks price shop.
I said it above, but I don't see YETI pulling support for 2A or anything of that sort (yet), I see them ending a donation / discount for the NRA. In which case it is sort of bullying. I also suspect there was no official "letter" but probably just an informal phone call canceling the orders.
I usually go to WaPo to laugh at the posters and commenters, but they were 100% right on this one yesterday in their excoriation of the "typical" NRA member as they're exploding coolers, looking like uneducationed and senseless rednecks.
Those reading the WaPo (or HuffPo for that matter) will find whatever excuse that makes them feel better about themselves. They will never agree with what they find to be "the basket of deplorables" in flyover country.
At least people destroying their own coolers (putting their money where their mouth is) feel comfortable enough with their decision to post it on the web and become targets for those that don't agree with them. If you ask those rednecks if they care what some keyboard SJW on WaPo thinks about them, they won't give a damn.
Some people live their lives. Others just sit back and grandstand about how much better they are because they disagree with how the other people are going about it.
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bkincaid
04-25-2018, 07:46
I copied this from a discussion on the same matter happening over on the accurateshooter.com forum: http://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/yeti.3949725/page-7
"DATE: April 24, 2018
TO: USF & NRA Member and Friends
FROM: Marion P. Hammer
USF Executive Director
NRA Past President
If it wasn’t bad enough that YETI dropped The NRA Foundation as a client, now they’re calling us liars because we informed our members and friends of their actions.
The NRA Foundation has over 1,100 “Friends of NRA Committees” around the country. These committees host banquets and auctions that are attended by hundreds of thousands of guests each year. These events raise funds to support charitable causes and programs. The NRA Foundation supports the needs of youth programs for education, safety and training, as well as law enforcement needs, shooting ranges and conservation programs.
For many years we have purchased coolers from YETI for our auctions. We have auctioned off many thousands of YETI coolers each year. YETI recently dropped The NRA Foundation as a client. Not only would they not take our orders for more coolers, they forced us to cancel orders already in the system that they said they would not fill.
Three days after we notified you of YETI’s decision to drop The NRA Foundation, YETI issued their prepared statement in which they admit they dropped us but claim they simply eliminated the discount program and dropped other (unnamed) organizations as well. That’s news to us.
Perhaps the people writing YETI’s damage control statements are not talking to the people who enforced YETI’s decisions and refused our orders. We had even offered the YETI Roadie in one of our sponsorship levels for 2018 – which we’ve had to cancel.
We told you the truth.
YETI’s attempts at damage control is to say our statement is not accurate. Shame on you again YETI. You know you made a mistake. A big one. Now you must live with your mistake."
Jeffrey Lebowski
04-25-2018, 08:12
I usually go to WaPo to laugh at the posters and commenters, but they were 100% right on this one yesterday in their excoriation of the "typical" NRA member as they're exploding coolers, looking like uneducationed and senseless rednecks.
Haha, irony. (Or typing on a tiny phone!)
At least people destroying their own coolers (putting their money where their mouth is) feel comfortable enough with their decision to post it on the web and become targets for those that don't agree with them. If you ask those rednecks if they care what some keyboard SJW on WaPo thinks about them, they won't give a damn.
They won’t give a damn, but way to show “the man” to whom you just gave $400 (or whatever). I bet Yeti gives less of a damn if possible. They got theirs, and if their product truly is “lifetime” they weren’t expecting another sale anyway. Now tannerite homeboy is out $400 and needs a new cooler. And probably didn’t exactly do the rest of us any favors demonstrating “gun safety.”
Aloha_Shooter
04-25-2018, 08:43
I don't see the point in blowing up coolers you already bought but they could paint over the Yeti names and what not to avoid giving the company free publicity and let the company know there will be no more orders.
In related news: https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/04/nra-breaks-historic-fundraising-record-following-attacks-from-the-left/
The National Rifle Association’s Political Victory Fund raised $2.4 million from March 1 to March 31, the group’s first full month of political fundraising since the nation’s deadliest high school shooting on Valentine’s Day, according to filings submitted to the Federal Elections Commission.
Most of the donations, $1.9 million of the $2.4 million total, came from small donors who gave less than $200.
... and in more brilliance from the left ...
A new coalition of celebrities and activists, including actor Alyssa Milano and Parkland student David Hogg, announced plans Friday to take on the National Rifle Association and elected officials who accept money from the powerful gun advocacy group.
In an open letter to NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre, which was first obtained by TIME, the more than 100 members of the newly formed NoRA Initiative — short for No Rifle Association — pledge to reduce the NRA’s influence in American politics through a series of voter registration drives, nationwide art campaigns, demonstrations and boycotts…
NoRA’s members include Jimmy Kimmel, Amy Schumer, Alec Baldwin, Ashley Judd, Julianne Moore, Patton Oswalt, Constance Wu, W. Kamau Bell, Amber Tamblyn, Debra Messing, Minnie Driver, Tarana Burke, as well as several artists, policy experts and survivors of gun violence.
I hope someone publishes their full list of members so I know what movies, TV shows, and other media to avoid.
CoGirl303
04-25-2018, 08:50
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180425/b6c8adb086d20a407ab3878311ed7144.jpg
boom!
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Jeffrey Lebowski
04-25-2018, 12:19
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180425/b6c8adb086d20a407ab3878311ed7144.jpg
boom!
So they donated once and are now expected to do so in perpetuity. If you support this, I fully expect that you donate to all the same groups, year after year regardless of any factors. So you never, ever get to give less (or none) to your favorite health care charity, or telethon, or church, or any other do-good group.
On a bit of an aside, what is the status of under armor in the shooting community these days?
I seem to remember them being the "evil turn your backs on the 2A" corp in recent history?
Have they changed their positions, re-instated sponsorships, etc.?
Seems we had this same type of discussion over all that flooflaw then. Part of the board adamantly saying "f' em" and part of the board saying "best shit I ever owned/used", and part of the board saying "meh, I pay a lot less for shit that seems to work perfectly fine".
I only ask, because in my last email from Primary Arms, the shooter modeling their new scope is wearing an UA shirt.
They won’t give a damn, but way to show “the man” to whom you just gave $400 (or whatever). I bet Yeti gives less of a damn if possible. They got theirs, and if their product truly is “lifetime” they weren’t expecting another sale anyway. Now tannerite homeboy is out $400 and needs a new cooler. And probably didn’t exactly do the rest of us any favors demonstrating “gun safety.”
I agree that it doesn't really hurt Yeti...until they buy a new NotYETI® cooler to replace it. It's merely a symbolic gesture.
By the way, in the videos that I've seen of the exploding YETIs, I haven't seen any real "gun safety" issues.
Honey Badger282.8
04-25-2018, 13:42
When was the last time a political boycott of a company was successful? I can't think of a single one from either side of the aisle.
I'd like to see a knife company jump into the mix and advertise that it was one of their knives that helped Yeti cut ties with the NRA.
"Only our political grade steel holds an edge well enough to hack through the muscular tendrils of the NRA. Our Seppuku blades are all 20% off right now!"
RblDiver
04-25-2018, 15:03
When was the last time a political boycott of a company was successful? I can't think of a single one from either side of the aisle.
Chick-Fil-A boycotts. Those were successful in driving more people there and helping them expand even further!
When was the last time a political boycott of a company was successful? I can't think of a single one from either side of the aisle.
See what’s happening to dicks?
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Thought I read or heard Yeti demanded they remove their name from all NRA advertising, etc.
If true, why would they do that? Other than not wanting to be associated with the NRA. I could be wrong though.
Jeffrey Lebowski
04-25-2018, 16:22
I agree that it doesn't really hurt Yeti...until they buy a new NotYETI® cooler to replace it. It's merely a symbolic gesture.
Respectfully disagree.
If the purchase is “lifelong” (“our coolers are so tough...”), Yeti didn’t expect a second purchase. If I blow mine up and buy an RTIC (or “NotYETI”), it helps RTIC but that is artificial demand. I’m not going to blow up a YETI to replace with a YETI. That sale was never going to be theirs anyway, so it doesn’t hurt them.
Realistically, they might expect some measure of repeat buy. “I like my YETI so much...” that I have to have another or in a different size or whatever. OR, the Dude go camping with Gman, sees his YETI and now I have to have one. That might actually matter.
I’d also be curious how many of you knew YETI was an NRA supporter when you bought?
I did not. As I said earlier, I don’t need everything in my life to line up, and this doesn’t impact my opinion of YETI or the NRA. If anything, maybe the NRA: quit fawking around with coolers and get to work restoring our mags and whatnot.
By the way, in the videos that I've seen of the exploding YETIs, I haven't seen any real "gun safety" issues.
I can’t disagree from a “gun enthusiast” (as I am) standpoint, but anytime we’re filming ourselves rednecking it up with bumpstocks, tannerite, mag dumps, etc, etc - you know it is viewed totally, totally different by the left and those who are not gun folks. A few might think it is cool. Most don’t. There have been tannerite gone bad videos, (and I can think of one hilariously so), so why add fuel to that fire? I don’t personally think it helps the cause in the way a reasoned argument (Colion Noir style?) does.
Jeffrey Lebowski
04-25-2018, 16:25
See what’s happening to dicks?
The same thing that is happening to big boxes of every sort, including most that have nothing to do with guns and hunting?
Sears? Kmart? Boston Store? Penneys? Toys-R-Us? Barnes & Noble?
Honey Badger282.8
04-25-2018, 17:12
Chick-Fil-A boycotts. Those were successful in driving more people there and helping them expand even further!
Exactly. The boycott didn’t work and resulted in a short term boost in sales with no long term affect.
See what’s happening to dicks?
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They posted a better quarter than last year but slightly missed their projections?
Respectfully disagree.
If the purchase is “lifelong” (“our coolers are so tough...”), Yeti didn’t expect a second purchase. If I blow mine up and buy an RTIC (or “NotYETI”), it helps RTIC but that is artificial demand. I’m not going to blow up a YETI to replace with a YETI. That sale was never going to be theirs anyway, so it doesn’t hurt them.
Then don't blow up your YETI. I'm not going to tell a YETI owner what to do with theirs, no matter if some libtard gets butthurt about what some redneck is doing in another part of the world they won't set foot in.
I was raised to live my life and not care about what others think or say about me. It's one of the reasons this square will never be "cool" in someone else's opinion. I don't have the need to justify the cost of a YETI, so I don't have a dog in this hunt.
Bailey Guns
04-25-2018, 18:32
^^ Pretty much. The only thing I ever paid for and then intentionally destroyed in order to make a statement (if only to myself) was a Bruce Springsteen CD. Only one I had, only one I ever will have. It did make a nice target.
Jeffrey Lebowski
04-25-2018, 19:19
Then don't blow up your YETI.
That’s my whole point.
Aloha_Shooter
04-25-2018, 19:40
So they donated once and are now expected to do so in perpetuity. If you support this, I fully expect that you donate to all the same groups, year after year regardless of any factors. So you never, ever get to give less (or none) to your favorite health care charity, or telethon, or church, or any other do-good group.
Not quite. According to Marion Hammer, they had a seven year contract and the NRA Foundation had advertised one of their products as one of the prizes for the annual Friends of the NRA auctions. Not only did Yeti break the existing onctract, they cancelled existing NRA orders for products that had already been accepted and cited "recent events" as the rationale. So far as I can tell, YETI is lying through their teeth.
They were happy to jump on board with the NRA pushing their products (it wasn't even a donation, it was the NRA buying YETI products at a discount for resale as NRA-YETI branded products) and then were happy to jump off with the bandwagon. I don't see the point in destroying stuff you've already paid for but YETI was just taking advantage of a demographic and deserves to have that demographic turn their backs on them and their products now.
I think he's talking about the Orca cooler company making a donation. His point is that now that they've made a donation one time, they better never stop or people will lose it and boycott them.
We have a ginormous cooler. It's uhhh Coleman I think? Packed it in the morning, drove to Santa Fe, unpacked it at like 9pm. Cooled well. $69 on Amazon. I could put a dang body in that thing if I hacked it up first.
Can someone explain why anyone would pay 400, 500, 600, 800 bucks for a cooler?
Bailey Guns
04-25-2018, 21:26
Can someone explain why anyone would pay 400, 500, 600, 800 bucks for a cooler?
I wouldn't. But people see value differently than I do on certain things. I wouldn't pay $3 - $5 for a cup of coffee or $30 - $50 for a carton of cigarettes, either. But it's a daily ritual for some.
Jeffrey Lebowski
04-25-2018, 21:39
Not quite. According to Marion Hammer, they had a seven year contract and the NRA Foundation had advertised one of their products as one of the prizes for the annual Friends of the NRA auctions. Not only did Yeti break the existing onctract, they cancelled existing NRA orders for products that had already been accepted and cited "recent events" as the rationale. So far as I can tell, YETI is lying through their teeth.
I haven't seen "recent events" cited, but contracts and purchases canceled happen all the time. Where is this contract? Where is the supposed letter?
I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but we (me) haven't actually seen anything other than he said / she said. If such a thing exists, there are extremely easy legal remedies. Probably, if such a thing exists, damages are already stipulated. At least that's how every business contract I've ever worked with clauses. But that's a ways down the road, as the "she said" part is denying and we really don't have anything concrete otherwise.
They were happy to jump on board with the NRA pushing their products (it wasn't even a donation, it was the NRA buying YETI products at a discount for resale as NRA-YETI branded products) and then were happy to jump off with the bandwagon. I don't see the point in destroying stuff you've already paid for but YETI was just taking advantage of a demographic and deserves to have that demographic turn their backs on them and their products now.
This I do agree with. However, I would have agreed either way and long before the NRA dust-up.
If you don't like something, don't buy it. $0.02
IF you feel strongly enough about a business's politics, don't support them.
If you feel like you need to spite yourself by purchasing and then destroying their products, go for it. They're happy to laugh to the bank, and I still say you're hurting the cause, but no more than other business as usual.
BushMasterBoy
04-25-2018, 21:39
We have a ginormous cooler. It's uhhh Coleman I think? Packed it in the morning, drove to Santa Fe, unpacked it at like 9pm. Cooled well. $69 on Amazon. I could put a dang body in that thing if I hacked it up first.
Can someone explain why anyone would pay 400, 500, 600, 800 bucks for a cooler?
So you can put a $1,000,000 fish in it?
We have a ginormous cooler. It's uhhh Coleman I think? Packed it in the morning, drove to Santa Fe, unpacked it at like 9pm. Cooled well. $69 on Amazon. I could put a dang body in that thing if I hacked it up first.
Can someone explain why anyone would pay 400, 500, 600, 800 bucks for a cooler?
Do a test. Fill your cooler with beer and ice, and set it out in your backyard and see how many days it holds ice. If it's more than 5 let us know because I'd definitely pay less for something that comes close.
That's what I've used my RTIC for while hunting. My hunting season is 9 days, and I usually show up the day before, so we're talking ten days. Of course I can make a trip to town for more ice, and we usually do when we run out of beer, but making a 45 min, one way, trip isn't what I want to do if I don't have to. When I was antelope hunting, there wasn't a cabin or anything, so it was important for me to have a cooler in the event I actually got something.
While beer and food isn't expensive, spoiled hunting meat would be a serious loss that'd outweigh the price of the cooler if you tried to replace that meat by purchasing it. I figure every trip to town saved, and every time meat isn't spoiled, is money+time back in my pocket. Some guys are more hardcore hunters than I am and might put meat in the cooler, and keep hunting without going to town, especially if they process their own meat. Having something that you know isn't going to spoil your meat, or water log it is nice. Worth the money? Up to you.
EDIT: When I traveled for work more often, I'd pack a cooler and eat lunch out of it all week. No time to go back to hotel, and expensive to eat out every meal. Saved me a lot of time and money by being able to leave my cooler in my van for more than a week. My co-workers with trucks did the same thing, until they had their coolers stolen out of the bed.
BushMasterBoy
04-25-2018, 22:00
Millions in prize money....
http://www.tampabay.com/Florida-man-sues-for-2-8-million-fishing-tournament-prize-money_163668020
hollohas
04-25-2018, 22:03
If such a thing exists, there are extremely easy legal remedies. Probably, if such a thing exists, damages are already stipulated. At least that's how every business contract I've ever worked with clauses.
Not all business agreements are in the form of a legal contract. Some are simply that, agreements. There aren't always damages or legal remedies if one side breaks the agreement. But it can still be a BS move that's worth calling them out on if they do.
Jeffrey Lebowski
04-25-2018, 22:16
Not all business agreements are in the form of a legal contract. Some are simply that, agreements. There aren't always damages or legal remedies if one side breaks the agreement. But it can still be a BS move that's worth calling them out on if they do.
Well, "according to Marion Hammer they had a seven year contract" - from above.
Who does a 7 year "agreement" with no contract and no paper?
I can't even remember what I ate for breakfast, and this is a specific enough B2B agreement to be for 7 years with discounts, POs, co-branding, and personalization but consummated with a phone-call / handshake / whatever. A lobbying group full of lawyers, and that's where they go? [Shake]
Edit: I can buy that there isn't a contract, and that's why we haven't seen anything concrete from either side.
And, I can buy that they had a PO for a bunch of coolers, and YETI wanted out - which is their prerogative lacking such a contract.
I can't buy that they have this contract specific enough to 7 years and yet their best recourse is to complain on social media.
That’s my whole point.
What, that people are telling you to blow up your YETI?
Jeffrey Lebowski
04-25-2018, 22:24
What, that people are telling you to blow up your YETI?
That people blowing up their YETIs are hurting YETI.
They're not, they're hurting themselves only. I think it is stupid personally, but if they feel so strongly to need to destroy, I certainly don't object.
My YETI is in no danger of me using tannerite on it.
Nor is my life membership to the NRA.
That people blowing up their YETIs are hurting YETI.
They're not, they're hurting themselves only. I think it is stupid personally, but if they feel so strongly to need to destroy, I certainly don't object.
Then I'm not sure why you seem to care so much about what the commenters on WaPo think about those destroying their own property.
I don't understand how some folks will put so much money into a Jeep or truck and then take it rock crawling and trash the hell out of it.
...but it's not my money, they're not hurting anyone, and I don't care what the readership of the Washington Post thinks about it.
Jeffrey Lebowski
04-25-2018, 22:36
It isn't that I care so much, as some mild surprise that I agree with the WaPo commentors in this case, and that virtually never happens.
I think the folks doing it look absolutely terrible and I think it reflects poorly on us as a group.
This was shared by an extremely liberal friend of mine, with whom I almost never agree with on this kind of thing.
74522
In this case, I don't agree with the top, but I do agree with the bottom.
I don't take ownership for what others do and don't give a damn about what some people perceive as "groups". If some nut shoots up innocent people with an AR-15, I don't feel any guilt as an AR-15 owner. That nut doesn't represent me. The same goes if some kook happens to run down people in the same make/model vehicle that I drive.
I think if someone buys targets and then puts holes in them, what's the big deal if it's paper or a YETI product? To ascribe someone's mental state based on their inanimate target selection is really 'messed up' in my opinion.
Those commenters at WaPo wouldn't come over to the 2A supporting side of the aisle if 'rednecks' weren't shooting their coolers. If you think they would, you're kidding yourself.
Jeffrey Lebowski
04-25-2018, 22:50
I don't take ownership for what others do and don't give a damn about what some people perceive as "groups".
That's cool. PACs do just that thing dividing us into groups and playing identity politics. Conservatives / libertarians / republicans tend to play right in and divide ourselves further, which only erodes our freedoms further.
You don't have to give a damn. I care, though.
To ascribe someone's mental state based on their inanimate target selection is really 'messed up' in my opinion.
Taken to an extreme, you get this: http://www.guns.com/2016/11/07/she-made-almost-4k-in-2-hours-selling-hillary-targets/ which is really 'messed up' in mine.
Would you ascribe anything to this gentleman's mental state?
https://youtu.be/S6V0S1m5a7U
Great-Kazoo
04-25-2018, 23:15
That's cool. PACs do just that thing dividing us into groups and playing identity politics. Conservatives / libertarians / republicans tend to play right in and divide ourselves further, which only erodes our freedoms further.
You don't have to give a damn. I care, though.
Taken to an extreme, you get this: http://www.guns.com/2016/11/07/she-made-almost-4k-in-2-hours-selling-hillary-targets/ which is really 'messed up' in mine.
Would you ascribe anything to this gentleman's mental state?
https://youtu.be/S6V0S1m5a7U
That's Darwin, not ones mental state. You or anyone else here NEVER done something you look back on and go. #$%^&* i could have been killed doing that.
Who cares what the wapo thinks or their comments section feels. As mentioned that rag wouldn't endorse ones Constitutional right unless they have something to gain from it. Which to date is mmmmm. Oh yeah the 1st. To them everything else is "open to interpretation"
That's Darwin, not ones mental state. You or anyone else here NEVER done something you look back on and go. #$%^&* i could have been killed doing that.
Who cares what the wapo thinks or their comments section feels. As mentioned that rag wouldn't endorse ones Constitutional right unless they have something to gain from it. Which to date is mmmmm. Oh yeah the 1st. To them everything else is "open to interpretation"
I prefer dangerous (and sometimes idiotically excersized) freedom to peaceful slavery ( “safety” )
I think there is a spectrum of attention whoring. I don't think someone has a mental disorder because they do something and put it online. Of course, this is coming from the guy who starts countless DIY threads of total amateur projects. (Chicken coop coming soon. Hit subscribe and like this post!)
Some people just couldn't ever make their dad proud.
Bailey Guns
04-26-2018, 06:20
In this case, I don't agree with the top, but I do agree with the bottom.
I felt your arguments were completely valid until that. And I don't buy your analogy with the exploding lawnmower, either.
Jeffrey Lebowski
04-26-2018, 08:19
I felt your arguments were completely valid until that. And I don't buy your analogy with the exploding lawnmower, either.
Absolutely fine, I don’t expect to change any minds.
My point with the lawnmower is two-fold:
1) I personally think you can make some assertations on someone’s mental state based upon choice of target. You can disagree as Jim did, and of course that’s fine.
2) You won’t change the minds of die-hard liberals, and of course I agree with that. But if I’m some middle-of-the-road politician (or just regular dude) with neither interest nor animosity towards guns and I start seeing these videos, maybe when “common sense xxx laws” start being pushed, I’m all on board in ways that the membership here is not. It is certainly a jump from a paper target, to a cooler, to a mower blade, but maybe I don’t want my neighbor exploding a cooler since he might be the one dude potentially not smart enough to think through mower shrapnel.
Aloha_Shooter
04-26-2018, 09:55
http://floridapolitics.com/archives/262052-yeti-spin-doesnt-sit-well-with-nras-marion-hammer
I misremembered, it was an "agreement', not a contract.
YETI severed ties with the NRA and is now engaging in damage control after a backlash from many of its customers. In early March, YETI refused to place a previously negotiated order from NRA-ILA, citing ‘recent events’ as the reason – a clear reference to the tragedy in Parkland, Florida. YETI then delivered notice to the NRA Foundation that it was terminating a 7 year agreement and demanded that the NRA remove the YETI name and logo from all NRA digital assets, as well as refrain from using any YETI trademarks in future print material. While YETI is trying to spin the story otherwise, those are the facts.
Bottom line, I don't think blowing up or shooting Yeti products does anything to the company but I still think Yeti is lying through their teeth. There are plenty of people making stainless steel thermal tumblers and bottles for a lot less than Yeti. There are cheaper alternatives to their cooler line-up. The only reason for buying their products in the past was marketing and some would say that that marketing is now damaged by their sudden politically-correct decision to not do business with the NRA Foundation or NRA-ILA.
Zundfolge
04-26-2018, 10:41
Bottom line, I don't think blowing up or shooting Yeti products does anything to the company but I still think Yeti is lying through their teeth. There are plenty of people making stainless steel thermal tumblers and bottles for a lot less than Yeti. There are cheaper alternatives to their cooler line-up. The only reason for buying their products in the past was marketing and some would say that that marketing is now damaged by their sudden politically-correct decision to not do business with the NRA Foundation or NRA-ILA.
I generally hate "+1" posts ... but +1
Singlestack
04-26-2018, 12:00
Didnt take long for this merchant to dump Yeti in favor of Pelican:
https://grabagun.com/pelican-cooler-80qt-wheeled-wht.html?utm_medium=Email&utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_campaign=Daily%20Email
Of course, Pelican isn't known for being inexpensive, either.
Do a test. Fill your cooler with beer and ice, and set it out in your backyard and see how many days it holds ice. If it's more than 5 let us know because I'd definitely pay less for something that comes close.
That's what I've used my RTIC for while hunting. My hunting season is 9 days, and I usually show up the day before, so we're talking ten days. Of course I can make a trip to town for more ice, and we usually do when we run out of beer, but making a 45 min, one way, trip isn't what I want to do if I don't have to. When I was antelope hunting, there wasn't a cabin or anything, so it was important for me to have a cooler in the event I actually got something.
While beer and food isn't expensive, spoiled hunting meat would be a serious loss that'd outweigh the price of the cooler if you tried to replace that meat by purchasing it. I figure every trip to town saved, and every time meat isn't spoiled, is money+time back in my pocket. Some guys are more hardcore hunters than I am and might put meat in the cooler, and keep hunting without going to town, especially if they process their own meat. Having something that you know isn't going to spoil your meat, or water log it is nice. Worth the money? Up to you.
EDIT: When I traveled for work more often, I'd pack a cooler and eat lunch out of it all week. No time to go back to hotel, and expensive to eat out every meal. Saved me a lot of time and money by being able to leave my cooler in my van for more than a week. My co-workers with trucks did the same thing, until they had their coolers stolen out of the bed.
I'll buy the travel/eat out of cooler for work reason, which is rather niche.
I don't buy the beer/ice reason. That's a ridiculous reason to spend (for example -https://www.yeti.com/hard-coolers/tundra-160-cooler/YT160.html) $679. Last time I spent 2 weeks in the woods (2009), I had no cooler. I didn't need one because there is no need for one when you resign yourself to adjusting to not having things which need a cooler. I ate MRE's, mountain house, and canned goods. I had warm mountain dew and water.
Please, describe for me the situation in which someone needs to immediately throw a field dressed animal into a cooler. You've filled your tag, take it to the processer, done. A buck antelope would = what, 50# or so of meat? My rationale for hunting is to save on meat cost, which means I'm substituting X meat for beef. Beef is ~$3.50 pound...ish? 50*3.50= $175; this means you need 3.88 situations in which that cooler definitely saved the day to break even -- considering this usage as a sole reason.
The dimensions of the Tundra 160 are: 12 1/4” × 16 1/8” × 37”; you're probably not fitting much more than an antelope in that thing.
I think you are grasping at straws. The only viable reason you gave was the one you edited in: true need due to a crazy work situation. Everything else you listed is either delusional or luxurious, wrapped in the veneer of utility.
I probably am just grasping at straws. I think I only spent just over $200 for my big RTIC a few years ago and don't really feel like that is much to have to justify. Just trying to throw out some potential situations. In reality, most people aren't fully utilizing their purchase, but that can be said about EVERY luxury item IMO. $400 auto blade that never cuts anything? Porsche Cayenne with electronic sway bar disconnect that never even sees a dirt road? $200/mo for cable when you don't even know any of the channels?
All that said, not having to drive into town to keep my beer cold is for sure a luxury. My work example would work for a week of hunting and eating out of the cooler if one didn't hunt out of a cabin like I get to do. I've had deer, bear, cow, and turkey tags all at the same time. I do bring my meat to a processor in the town closest to where I hunt, but I'm sure not everyone does. For example, I probably wouldn't leave elk camp to get a turkey somewhere cold, and I probably wouldn't leave elk camp to keep a doe cold, especially if I had a bull tag. Again, that's all just luxury decisions. I guess my point was that when one uses their cooler often, and for long periods of time, the cost is averaged out over years. I'm just throwing ideas out here.
As others have posted already, everyone has something they wouldn't pay for. I'd rather a one time $800 cooler purchase compared to years of $500/mo car payments (even though I'd get way more use out of said car). Heck, in about a month I'm about to pay that much for a full coyote mount from last year. It's going to serve exactly zero utility in my life, just like my buck shoulder mount that was $550. Those animal mounts don't even keep beer cold or act as wifi hotspots or anything. Shrug.
The NRA should come out with some classy vinyl "NRA" stickers in various sizes made to cover over the Yeti logos on coolers and mugs. They could make it a fundraiser.
Agreed.
Alternatively, if I drove a big white panel van, I'd replace all the factory badging with Yeti stickers.
Agreed.
Alternatively, if I drove a big white panel van, I'd replace all the factory badging with Yeti stickers.That could put it into "luxury" status and greatly increase the resale value. It would definitely hold more elk than my electric Igloo.
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I just worry about insurance rates since the only thing stolen more than Honda Civics and F-150s are Yetis.
An excellent point. Thank you for warning us of this risk.
I'd also be concerned about some redneck shooting my YETI van full of holes or blowing it up with tannerite.
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Didn't read all 16 pages but read a bunch. Not sure if this was suggested. How about putting an NRA sticker over your Yeti logo instead of blowing it up :)
Didn't read all 16 pages but read a bunch. Not sure if this was suggested. How about putting an NRA sticker over your Yeti logo instead of blowing it up :)
I'm gonna put a RMGO sticker over my cooler's coleman logo, cus they're both practically ineffective.
DenverGP
04-28-2018, 20:30
Didn't read all 16 pages but read a bunch. Not sure if this was suggested. How about putting an NRA sticker over your Yeti logo instead of blowing it up :)
NRA is going to be giving out stickers:
Put a big “I STAND WITH THE NRA FOUNDATION" sticker on your YETI cooler and keep using it. They cost too much money to destroy to make a statement. Let a sticker make your statement.
GET A FREE NRA FOUNDATION STICKER FOR YOUR YETI COOLER
at
The NRA Booth in the Convention Hall
or
The NRA Foundation Wall of Guns Raffle in the Convention Center
AT THE NRA ANNUAL MEETING & CONVENTION IN DALLAS, TEXAS - MAY 4th -May 6th
If you can’t go to the NRA Annual Meeting,
Go to your local “Friends of NRA Banquet & Auction” and get your FREE STICKER.
Well crap, guess I missed this one:
The NRA should come out with some classy vinyl "NRA" stickers in various sizes made to cover over the Yeti logos on coolers and mugs. They could make it a fundraiser.
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