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Just found these pics. does anyone have the story?
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Batteriesnare
10-30-2009, 22:26
Holy crap! Looks like someone put way too much powder in there! And a Smith at that!
WOW! Sure dont but would like to hear it as well.
How come that the next round is blown as well?
SA Friday
10-30-2009, 22:31
Oh man. I hope who ever lit that off is ok. Serious amount of frag from that.
Holy crap! Where did you find the pics? there was nothing that was said about it.
Man that looks scary, I hope he is ok too.
Holy car! Where did you find the pics? there was nothing that was said about it.
Man that looks scary, I hope he is ok too.
there were no story there.
Wow! That is super scary looking.
Batteriesnare
10-30-2009, 23:30
How come that the next round is blown as well?
Similar problem to what they had with the older revolving rifles perhaps? Hot round goes off, overpowers the cylinder its in, which causes it to blow. The heat from that explosion is so great it causes ignition of the neighboring cylinders, except the bullet doesn't (can't) move down the barrel which does not allow for the release of the gas from the powder explosion, so the case ruptures instead.
twitchyfinger
10-30-2009, 23:35
We need an eyes popping out HFS! Avatar for catastrophic failures like that! WOW!!! Glad I wasn't the one holding onto that firecracker!
ColoEnthusiast
10-30-2009, 23:50
My diagnosis is: catastrophic failure.
In seriousness, I would guess possible squib load and inattentive shooter. Devastation looks too complete for just a hot load, but I guess either scenario could be the cause.
I saw pics of another revolver that happened to, with ignition of adjacent rounds and all. Bet that hurt like hell, even without shrapnel. Lot of immediate downward force.
That was a feller over on gunandgame.com. He says it was a new gun he was trying out, using fresh factory ammo, .44 mag. Doesn't know if the gun was faulty or the round was overcharged, it was only the 2nd or 3rd round he'd fired. Got a decent gash on the forehead, so he said. Knocked him silly for awhile.
http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/smith-wesson/88267-kaboom-another-ouchy-s-w-629-a.html
Batteriesnare
10-31-2009, 00:04
Wow, I'm glad he's okay though.
GreenScoutII
10-31-2009, 00:25
Ouch!! I'm willing to bet that guy needs a new pair of drawers...
Wow! I was going to guess that someone baked it in an oven.
Wow! I was going to guess that someone baked it in an oven.
that was my first thought.
GreenScoutII
10-31-2009, 11:01
I looked at the thread on that other board and the guy claimed it was a brand new revolver. He also claimed he was using factory ammo and the detonation occured on the second round ever fired through the gun. No way to confirm one way or the other, but I kind of have my doubts. Not saying it couldn't happen, but it would be highly unlikely. My best guess would be he dropped the box of ammo, projectile side down, causing one or more bullets to be shoved further down into the cartridge than it should have been. Kind of like what SAFriday was talking about in his thread the other day. Only a guess on my part though...
SA Friday
10-31-2009, 11:01
That was a feller over on gunandgame.com. He says it was a new gun he was trying out, using fresh factory ammo, .44 mag. Doesn't know if the gun was faulty or the round was overcharged, it was only the 2nd or 3rd round he'd fired. Got a decent gash on the forehead, so he said. Knocked him silly for awhile.
http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/smith-wesson/88267-kaboom-another-ouchy-s-w-629-a.html
Thanks for the link Ron. Wow, are there some really mis-informed people on that site....
Sounds like the shooter did the right thing and took it to a smith to figure out what went wrong. The end of the cylinder chamber not being reamed to the right dimention and being too tight would definately kaboom the gun like that. The pressure would be worse than a double charge.
I have no idea what actually happened, we may never know. Could have been a metallurgical fault of the cylinder, a machining error in manufacturing, or faulty ammo. No telling. But given how easy it is to make an error in handloading, using factory made ammo that's cranked out by the millions by automatic machines has always made me nervous. Shit happens ya know.
Fake! We all know wheel guns are the most reliable contraption ever invented by mankind!!
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ColoEnthusiast
10-31-2009, 15:23
Fake! We all know wheel guns are the most reliable contraption ever invented by mankind!!
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Exactly! Just like in the thread, everyone knows only Glocks kaboom. Yep, one day it's just sitting on your dresser and then.. !!kaboom!! It blows up your lamp and favorite picture of B.O.
Good story. Safety first!
Bailey Guns
11-01-2009, 10:50
What's the big deal??? He's got three good cylinders left!
[Coffee]
ColoEnthusiast
11-02-2009, 06:05
What's the big deal??? He's got three good cylinders left!
[Coffee]
I AGREE!!
Plus if he feels like it, he can replace the cylinder.
With the top of the frame gone he could really get a spin on that baby. Easier access too!
rhineoshott
11-02-2009, 14:13
Wow! that's some metalic carnage
I looked at the thread on that other board and the guy claimed it was a brand new revolver. He also claimed he was using factory ammo and the detonation occured on the second round ever fired through the gun. No way to confirm one way or the other, but I kind of have my doubts. Not saying it couldn't happen, but it would be highly unlikely. My best guess would be he dropped the box of ammo, projectile side down, causing one or more bullets to be shoved further down into the cartridge than it should have been. Kind of like what SAFriday was talking about in his thread the other day. Only a guess on my part though...
Possible, but pretty unlikely. Most revolver cartridges (especially magnum level rounds) have a pretty heavy roll crimp and a cannelure on the bullet to prevent bullet movement under recoil. Mostly this it intended to prevent the bullet from moving forward and locking the cylinder, but it also serves to prevent rearward movement. If I had to guess, I'd say squib followed by full power round, but you'd normally see a bulged barrel, unless the first bullet stopped right after the forcing cone.
I read the original thread as well. He said that his local gun smith measured the cylinder and it was more narrow at the front than the rear, and there was a clear lip of metal, like it was unfinished. He must have some other parts not in the picture that he brought in though, or else the smith measured one of the remaining, intact, cylinders and it was also unfinished.
ColoEnthusiast
11-02-2009, 18:58
Possible, but pretty unlikely. Most revolver cartridges (especially magnum level rounds) have a pretty heavy roll crimp and a cannelure on the bullet to prevent bullet movement under recoil. Mostly this it intended to prevent the bullet from moving forward and locking the cylinder, but it also serves to prevent rearward movement. If I had to guess, I'd say squib followed by full power round, but you'd normally see a bulged barrel, unless the first bullet stopped right after the forcing cone.
Hey Tfogger. That was my first thought as well (squib load and followup shot) that I posted earlier in the thread. I don't think that would be likely anymore because much of the pressure would have been released between the cylinder and forcing cone.
Just theoretical, but I don't think there would be enough pressure left over to detonate the walls of the cylinder. Seems that the gap would allow pressure escape in front of the projectile as the round exits the cylinder and once past that point, the excess pressure still being exerted behind the projectile would escape the same way.
If you read the entire thread on the other board, the shooter says that his gunsmith has inspected the remaining intact cylinder bores and found machining discrepancies that may have caused the problem, as well as disassembling rounds from the same box of ammo and inspecting them. If there was a choke at the front of the cylinder that prevented initial bbullet movement, even a relatively mild load would go through the roof on pressure, just like a rifle round that is seated too long and touches the rifling when the bolt locks into battery.
funkfool
11-03-2009, 15:20
Should start a thread with just pics like this and links to the accompanying story.
Or make up your own...
" Well, 'ya see, I had mah' Smithy on th' rebar.. ( 'cause I ALWAYS slide it barrel down on a piece 'o rebar tah' keep 'er handy...) an I musta touched one off'n cause a that there piece 'o rebar shot straight thru th' earth and went inta orbit on th' other side and come along about supper I thought ah seen that sucker re'enter th' at-mus'fear! - Din' do mah Smithy much good now neither."
[Whacko] [Tooth]
Hotshoot
01-22-2011, 00:18
A Cowboy quick draw friend of mine explained this is most likely caused by the cylinder being out of time with the barrel when it goes off. He has witnessed this several times when quick draw shooters try to get a quicker shot off by changes in springs and other adjustments. It is also a possibility the new gun was not set up properly from the factory, 1st shot was lined up then cylinder rotated to wrong place and fired 2nd one which went POW. Just like the old story of mud in the barrel of a shotgun which blows up in your face. If you notice the picture from the top, the cylinder is not in line with the barrel and the stopped bullet pressure has no where to go but up.
patrick0685
01-22-2011, 00:24
holy crap...that pretty scary
BPTactical
01-22-2011, 01:00
Don't think I can fix that one.
I think the above post about being out of time is about the best guess.
theGinsue
01-22-2011, 01:08
Come on Bert. We have faith in you.
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funkfool
01-22-2011, 01:14
Ketchup.
BPTactical
01-22-2011, 01:44
Come on Bert. We have faith in you.
http://www.myspaceantics.com/images/funny/you-can-do-it.jpg
A little TIG, a little Bondo, a little paint will make it sumthin' it aint.
Although my first guess was out of time I am not so sure now after putting more thought into it.
I would think if it was so far out of time to cause a catastrophic failure such as this the revolver would not even fire, the firing pin would be so far off center a decent hit on the primer would be virtually impossible.
Metallurgical failure? Possible but without extensive testing it would be hard to ascertain.
Machining deficiency? Again possible but we are talking a S&W here and the firearm was test fired at the factory. Not that they are perfect but I would think the odds of that would be extremely low.
That brings us back to ammo and there are a couple things to consider:
Handloads -wrong powder or a problem with the assembly of the round?
Defective factory round?
Hang fire?
One thing that is a question to me is if this was a brand new firearm why would you go to a Gunsmith instead of the factory? If you brought it to me that would be the first place I would look to.
Handloads
I believe the guys story. The gun was faulty.
I've seen something similar happen with my own two eyes.
jerrymrc
01-22-2011, 07:23
I remember this gun from a thread over on the Falfiles 3-4 years ago. Been around awhile.
Byte Stryke
01-22-2011, 07:35
Come on Bert. We have faith in you.
http://www.myspaceantics.com/images/funny/you-can-do-it.jpg
Pshaw,
I think TheInternet can buff that out.
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