CU Boulder Pronoun identification selection

[electronman1729]

My wife is attending CU Boulder finishing up her masters degree and she showed me this. I thought I would laugh but I still cant. Only something like this would come from CU Boulder and not from a school like Mines.
I have never even heard the term(s) "ze/zir/zirs; and xe/xer/xers" and cant even comprehend how something like this is thought up.

Makes me ashamed that I went to CU Boulder.


Pronoun selection now an option in the campus student portal



Published: May 1, 2018
A new optional feature in the online student portal, MyCUInfo, allows CU Boulder students to indicate the pronoun with which they identify, making the information part of their university record.
“We heard from students who wanted the information to be available in places such class rosters,” said Kristi Wold-McCormick, university registrar. “The additional information can help faculty and staff know how to correctly address students in an inclusive way.”
Students may select from the following options in the student portal: she/her/hers; he/him/his; they/them/theirs; ze/zir/zirs; and xe/xer/xers.
“We want students to know that this element of their identity is important to us,” said Morgan Seamont, assistant director of the Gender and Sexuality Center. “Retention data for LGBTQ students is generally lower, so anything we can do to increase inclusivity is a good thing.”
The Office of the Registrar (https://www.colorado.edu/registrar/) and the Gender and Sexuality Center (https://www.colorado.edu/gsc/) have worked with several other units, including University Information Systems (https://www.cu.edu/uis) to launch the new option. The project has involved coordination with the other CU system campuses, which also are making the feature available.
The pronoun option is the second of four planned enhancements to the student portal. The first, announced last year (https://www.colorado.edu/today/node/22224/), allows students to indicate their preferred name in their university record.
Upcoming enhancements will allow students to self-select and indicate their sexual orientation, such as heterosexual, and gender identity, such as transgender. This information is considered protected data and will be used only to inform the university on student demographics, which can assist in providing support and resources.
Universities and colleges across the nation are providing pronoun options to students.







http://Pronoun selection now an option in the campus student portal Published: May 1, 2018 A new optional feature in the online student portal, MyCUInfo, allows CU Boulder students to indicate the pronoun with which they identify, making the information part of their university record.“We heard from students who wanted the information to be available in places such class rosters,” said Kristi Wold-McCormick, university registrar. “The additional information can help faculty and staff know how to correctly address students in an inclusive way.”Students may select from the following options in the student portal: she/her/hers; he/him/his; they/them/theirs; ze/zir/zirs; and xe/xer/xers.“We want students to know that this element of their identity is important to us,” said Morgan Seamont, assistant director of the Gender and Sexuality Center. “Retention data for LGBTQ students is generally lower, so anything we can do to increase inclusivity is a good thing.”The Office of the Registrar and the Gender and Sexuality Center have worked with several other units, including University Information Systems to launch the new option. The project has involved coordination with the other CU system campuses, which also are making the feature available.The pronoun option is the second of four planned enhancements to the student portal. The first, announced last year, allows students to indicate their preferred name in their university record.Upcoming enhancements will allow students to self-select and indicate their sexual orientation, such as heterosexual, and gender identity, such as transgender. This information is considered protected data and will be used only to inform the university on student demographics, which can assist in providing support and resources.Universities and colleges across the nation are providing pronoun options to students.

[Zundfolge]

I would choose "his royal highness" as my preferred pronoun and seek the total destruction of anyone that refused to use it.

[Gman]

Preferred name? That could get downright offensive...and entertaining.

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[Scanker19]

74576

[Great-Kazoo]

The right way to do it should be

1: MALE

2: FEMALE

3: UNDECIDED


All that wasted ink and space on paper, how uncarbon footprint can they be

[StagLefty]

True-False-Other

[Rucker61]

The right way to do it should be

1: MALE

2: FEMALE

3: UNDECIDED


All that wasted ink and space on paper, how uncarbon footprint can they be

1. INNY
2. OUTY
3. DOUBTY

[GeorgeandSugar]

And we are paying for this nonsense along with the useless departments whose degrees don’t prepare students for a real job. Shameful!


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[Delfuego]

Got some coffee recently in Boulder, needed the restroom and saw this [Roll1]
Wouldn't be easier to just label it "Restroom"? Also look at the freaking book the wrote in braille.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/eVcbMqiXECs_iJn7gYXOGtOwtAB-kj_jHAjYsfkngC28BUUIJTTgr1xnuBZaBpnpqYpP3ndn-fhQySUAK-pCxyxPwDJTetKlUNKKsk3K4kfwoSsqiVCTJh32vS4HDPeqL0-3fccld4SBy4k7iXZz9tdYe5ptqXwNfo4RATimsW9CGjRIOoUKG 8Chb8XcCVtZN8O7AgQdELb126aPm-x4EUD_5rn38awlZr6msG_40gCwSl2nOE1J8zH_qbt-8cpg4YcVAYJD8TPtatXgEXzc5yvxI7Oyjc2HMah7pqrmA_LW2M XfJ3MEm3jWzC_7U0_EkMVQUgMQhv6ABCmPj3gaLniN3AWC6Dgr yD9QL-Elf1fFmiT8sBvsNcNvGpUf4-f_hmmab3372kOAho1QsgKQFbWCVojcRblxdoeLFo-8tcK79YXWHPXGMR6d6uvPl269Nz-HMuZqLliwZlM_IdKlYVfoTUI2dPKUjkrRNq9KIOTuco3R1xRjC uH4-YkSaHSJm6XS-WRseudIhXxpWpkjoPWYuhCgdatznKDu2NLtduY1o-a1c-nDWEoijB3BdaQTb-sbRxBYUf74poPzuFvLD2pCn3OxxbqVJqewSHs2lqf5Uv0KraSl VTRjhuGz4v_d45tVR7Opg3PfVR0tQWQASAe79w1lEann=w442-h589-no

[Erni]

What if I identify as a gun?

[StagLefty]

What if I identify as a gun?

You'll be limited to magazine subscriptions !!!

[UrbanWolf]

I sexually identify as a Yamato-Class Battleship, don’t misgender me. I weight 71,659 tons, so don’t fat shame me. I like to take more than 2800 men inside me at the same time, so don’t slut shame me.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/418063700254188818/D92B679714DD4C41B4A426A8A366D2DE50CD312C/

[Gman]

1. INNY
2. OUTY
3. DOUBTY
LIKE +1

[CoGirl303]

This doesn't affect me one way or another. I dont care if they're lgbtq, whatever.

If someone wants to be recognized a certain way, fine, just choose whatever and stick with it.

The flip-flopping back and forth because they can't make up their mind from one minute to the next is where I have the issue.

If they don't know, they need to maintain the status quo until they do figure it out.




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[Bailey Guns]

^^ Now, see? That's just bullshit. That's why we're having the problems we're having today. Nobody cares about values, tradition and morality anymore.

I don't give a flying fuck what anyone says. You're either a boy or you're a girl. Feelings don't count. We don't need to inconvenience the entire rest of the planet because you're too fucking stupid to figure it out. We shouldn't be changing forms, changing signs or changing anything to accommodate a very, very small percentage of the population.

We've caved to the fucking liberals and leftists on everything. Now our cities are fucked up, our schools are fucked up, our universities are fucked up and our people are fucked up. And we're all standing around with our thumbs up our asses wondering what went wrong. We stopped caring...that's what.

Do I care what you do in your own bedroom? No. If it's between you and another consenting adult and it doesn't hurt anyone, knock yourself out. But when you and only about 6 other people on the planet do whatever it is you do, don't try to convince me it's normal. It's not. I don't have to like it, I don't have to accept it and I don't have to approve of it or condone it and I don't have to think it's right. I have every right in the world to say you're a freak, even if you have the right to be a freak.

We really need to turn our thinking around on this sort of crap, though, it may already be too late.

Fuckin' liberals.

[Grant H.]

^^ Now, see? That's just bullshit. That's why we're having the problems we're having today. Nobody cares about values, tradition and morality anymore.

I don't give a flying fuck what anyone says. You're either a boy or you're a girl. Feelings don't count. We don't need to inconvenience the entire rest of the planet because you're too fucking stupid to figure it out. We shouldn't be changing forms, changing signs or changing anything to accommodate a very, very small percentage of the population.

We've caved to the fucking liberals and leftists on everything. Now our cities are fucked up, our schools are fucked up, our universities are fucked up and our people are fucked up. And we're all standing around with our thumbs up our asses wondering what went wrong. We stopped caring...that's what.

Do I care what you do in your own bedroom? No. If it's between you and another consenting adult and it doesn't hurt anyone, knock yourself out. But when you and only about 6 other people on the planet do whatever it is you do, don't try to convince me it's normal. It's not. I don't have to like it, I don't have to accept it and I don't have to approve of it or condone it and I don't have to think it's right. I have every right in the world to say you're a freak, even if you have the right to be a freak.

We really need to turn our thinking around on this sort of crap, though, it may already be too late.

Fuckin' liberals.

This.

100x this.

We have to quit coddling mental illness, and we have to stand for what is moral and right.

[StagLefty]

Thank you Bailey Guns !!!

[roberth]

Bailey Guns for the win!!

[GilpinGuy]

It's called "gender dysphoria" and is a real condition. It's not an "identity". Get help.

[Gman]

Bailey Guns for the win!!

BIG TIME!!!

[The Norseman]

“Retention data for LGBTQ students is generally lower, so anything we can do to increase inclusivity is a good thing.”

They don't care, really. As quoted from the article it's all about the money. College is big business and they want all the money that a student staying in college will bring. Cynical.

[Gman]

“Retention data for LGBTQ students is generally lower, so anything we can do to increase inclusivity is a good thing.”

They don't care, really. As quoted from the article it's all about the money. College is big business and they want all the money that a student staying in college will bring. Cynical.
Cynicism comes with experience.

[electronman1729]

The reason why I'm upset with CU is that garbage like this will devalue my degree in the real working world.

[Duman]

An acquaintance of mine is a big, ugly biker.

Recently he started showing up around town in women's clothing, stuffed bra, make-up, and going by a woman's name.

Crazy thing is, he's not the ugliest woman around...... [Eek3]

[KS63]

Another reason why I tell my kid that it’s Okay if college isn’t for you and learning a skilled trade at a young age can set you up nicely.

[JohnnyDrama]

The reason why I'm upset with CU is that garbage like this will devalue my degree in the real working world.

I hear that.

[CS1983]

Degrees are already devalued by the demand that everyone have them. A high school diploma used to be all it took to get most jobs. Jobs that, today, are hard to get without a degree. This does not mean the degree has more value, but that the diploma's place is now occupied by the degree. Now the Bachelor's is yesteryear's high school diploma. In a decade, will a Master's be today's Bachelor's? Probably. Eventually, this idiotic system will crash on itself and we'll all go back to recognizing pieces of paper don't mean anything.

[TFOGGER]

I'm guessing "Hey Dipshit!" would be a universally offensive solution. Rather than trying to make everyone happy, just try to offend everyone equally.

[theGinsue]

Interesting comments here.

While we encourage folks to freely exchange ideas and beliefs here, there are limits and everyone knows that.

Everyone on this site believes in our 2A Rights and enjoys the shooting sports, but...
Not everyone on this site is a conservative.
Not every conservative shares the same values and beliefs.
Not everyone on this site is of the same skin color.
Not everyone on this site shares the same religious beliefs.
Not everyone on this site is heterosexual or of a binary gender as we know it traditionally.

These things hold true for this site as well as society as a whole. While we may disagree with someone else's status in life, the one thing we should be doing is showing common decency and respect to others as fellow human beings. This is definitely something we can, will and do insist on here, on this site.

I get the frustration folks feel over the endless list of gender pronouns - it's gotten ridiculous. That said, we need to refrain from using words like "freak" to descibe someone different from ourselves. It's akin to using the "N word" to a person of color or any other slur to any other demographic. It's offensive and it makes us look very bad.

At least here, we can find common ground in our enjoyment of firearms. I've long said that we (America and the world) need to quit focusing so much on our differences and instead find that common ground. Of course, there are some on the other side who may not feel the same way. Because of this, there are many I go out of my way to avoid (okay, it's militant liberals). The times where circumstances require me to interact with those I disagree with on a personal, moral or ethical level, I stick to the high road and treat them with respect until and unless they make a personal assault against me directly.

It's about RESPECT. This is a public forum where anyone who disagrees with our views on firearms can come and see what we have to say. We can choose to let them see an unsavory, hateful side of us which just reinforces their stereotypes of us, or we can discuss topics such as this one respectfully, displaying ourselves in a better light than we've been labelled. As for the staff and I, we'll choose the latter.

As a final note, I'll throw out a reminder that this site will not tolerate any personal attacks on any members or their families. This isn't an issue on this topic yet, but in case it finds it's way there as so many threads do, I want the reminder fresh on everyone's mind.

[BPTactical]

https://youtu.be/8Dd_qiuWxPs

[Delfuego]

Ginsue for President!

[cstone]

Did someone say freaks?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_zDEEQoHOw

[wctriumph]

They forgot "aho" for asshole.

It can't be that 10,000 students wanted this, had to be just a few. The tyranny of the few over the many, because ...

[Honey Badger282.8]

Well said, Ginsue. If pronouns and labels are too much, just use the individual's name.

[Aloha_Shooter]

All I can say after Ginsue's admonishment is ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYHxGBH6o4M

[Coffee]

[Duman]

It takes a lot of courage, more courage than most, to live your life outside of current social norms.

[Bailey Guns]

I don't see people who can't decide what gender they are as courageous.

I see 18 year old kids kicking in doors in Fallujah as courageous.

Then again, as long as we're redefining everything else, might as well redefine "courage".

ETA: Look... I don't personally care that some choose to do things differently with their lives. Really. I just don't think they should get special treatment.

[CoGirl303]

I don't see people who can't decide what gender they are as courageous.

I see 18 year old kids kicking in doors in Fallujah as courageous.

Then again, as long as we're redefining everything else, might as well redefine "courage".

ETA: Look... I don't personally care that some choose to do things differently with their lives. Really. I just don't think they should get special treatment.

thats because you haven't had to walk a mile in their shoes.

Being different from societal norms is not easy. It's like being bullied in primary education school...only every day of your life. At work, in public, at the store, movies, amusement park, parking lots, sporting events, college...just because you don't fit everyone else's ideals of normal. You get gawked at, called names, sometimes chased to your car, assaulted, even raped or worse, you get murdered and have your body thrown in a dumpster...just for being different. These are all things the LGBT community has had happen to them and even today they continue to happen.

Courage comes in many, many different forms, not just in the form of military heroics.

Sojourner Truth and Harriet Tubman were very courageous in their work to free slaves.

First Responders are. A witness that steps up and does the right thing by testifying against a criminal is. A dog that saves a family from a burning house is.




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[Bailey Guns]

It's also because I haven't made certain life choices. I don't need to walk a mile in their shoes. Just like I don't need to try meth to know that meth is going to adversely affect my life. It's my opinion (not based on anything other than 57 years of life experience and interacting with people) that many people choose to be different. They want to make a statement...or draw attention to themselves. Fine. You have every right to do that (within obvious limitations, of course). But then don't complain when that attention you seek becomes negative attention. If someone chooses to be different that doesn't give them the right to have an easy life. Just like "normal" people aren't guaranteed an easy life. Choices have consequences for everyone.

I agree about courage coming in many forms and the example of a young soldier I used was just that...an example. It wasn't meant to be an all inclusive definition of the term.

There's a commercial that comes on one of the radio stations I listen to frequently about some young girl surfer that lost an arm to a shark attack. The moral of the story is she recovered and went back to surfing and the tag line for the end of the commercial is, "That's real courage." It's as if she saved the world or something because she lost an arm to a shark and started surfing again. I just don't see that as real courage. It's admirable she overcame such a traumatic event...good for her. But I honestly see that commercial as devaluing what I consider to be the meaning of the word 'courage'.

[CoGirl303]

But people don't "choose" to be gay, bi, lesbian or transgender. The only choice they made was to accept who they were, confront it and deal with it.




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[CS1983]

But people don't "choose" to be gay, bi, lesbian or transgender. The only choice they made was to accept who they were, confront it and deal with it.




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How do you know? Do people *choose* to be pedophiles, pederasts, etc.? Do people *choose* to be necrophiliacs? Do people *choose* to be transamputee (or whatever the term is for people who have a mental illness that says their true self is missing a leg, and thus they chop it off). Do people *choose* to be $whatever?

The natural, biological norm is to be a heterosexual. While one may not choose a temptation away from that, in any degree, they do choose to *act* on said temptation.

[TheGrey]

I think one of the things that people are finding it hard to deal with is the fact that they are being asked (and 'asked' is sometimes masked as 'demands') to conform their behavior to other people's decisions. What I'm finding difficult to understand is not in the transgender change, but all of the new pronouns that encompass...gender-free? "Xir"?

A physical change is one thing. If someone changes themselves from male to female or female to male, it's he to she, or she to he. Got it. But the gender-free? I don't understand the need.

From the OP: "Students may select from the following options in the student portal: she/her/hers; he/him/his; they/them/theirs; ze/zir/zirs; and xe/xer/xers." This is still an optional thing, from what I see of the post.

Change is always met with resistance. We're hardwired that way. And it takes a very long time to accept. That's not saying it's good or bad, but just how it is. We're still fighting about the Civil War. We're still disagreeing about women's equality. This is no different.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

It’s hard to be different? What country are you living in? The odder you are the more celebrated you are. When did bullying go from picking on the smart kid to picking on the alphabet kid?

Why are we so dismissive and hostile to this movement? Because we know what it coming next. As we are all in the ‘gun community’ we know they will not stop at pronouns. It is the excising from society of people like us - oddly under the title of diversity and inclusiveness - that is their goal. Hell, it is even ‘for the children’ in both cases.

We have to be quiet about my son’s shooting activities because of general bias and hatred in society, but wear a dress to school and he’d get a medal. My kids school is going to get rid of its dress code because someday it might offend a kids who can’t figure out what side of the closet to pull and outfit from.

Yes, these people deserve not to be taunted and teased. But where does it end? Why at these pronouns? Aren’t there other people that we are discriminating against by not including there words? How can you arbitrarily stop there- and why isn’t he/she an also acceptable place to end?

[Bailey Guns]

But people don't "choose" to be gay, bi, lesbian or transgender. The only choice they made was to accept who they were, confront it and deal with it.

You don't know that about homosexuals. And I sure as hell don't believe that transgender people don't have a choice. But, no one knows for sure and there is no scientific study supporting the "born that way" theory that hasn't been refuted in one way or the other as far as I know. On the other hand, we have several centuries worth of the study of nature and reproduction to support the "lifestyle choice" theory.

I don't know why someone would choose to be homosexual. Again...no one knows exactly why. But I do know that nature clearly steers us in the direction of being heterosexual. That's pretty irrefutable. There may be forces or influences in someone's life at some point that left an indelible mark on their brain or psyche that might cause them to believe one way or the other that no one else is aware of...maybe even the person influenced. We just don't know.

Regardless, someone wants to be gay, fine. I'm OK with that. As a matter of fact the best man at my first wedding was gay and was kicked out of the AF because of it. I thought he got a raw deal but those were the rules and consequences at the time. But being gay shouldn't provide you with special treatment. Just like being an outspoken 2A supporter and conservative shouldn't mean I get special treatment. In a perfect world people would be treated the same until they did something to either earn special treatment or earn some type of negative treatment (ie: criminal behavior).

If people who are "different" have the right to be radical about their beliefs and take an "in your face" approach to preaching their beliefs then I have the same right in regards to my beliefs. And radical homosexual rights advocates have been preaching with the "in your face" style for decades. I'll admit it...I'm just a little tired of it.

[Bailey Guns]

It’s hard to be different? What country are you living in? The odder you are the more celebrated you are. When did bullying go from picking on the smart kid to picking on the alphabet kid?

Why are we so dismissive and hostile to this movement? Because we know what it coming next. As we are all in the ‘gun community’ we know they will not stop at pronouns. It is the excising from society of people like us - oddly under the title of diversity and inclusiveness - that is their goal. Hell, it is even ‘for the children’ in both cases.

We have to be quiet about my son’s shooting activities because of general bias and hatred in society, but wear a dress to school and he’d get a medal. My kids school is going to get rid of its dress code because someday it might offend a kids who can’t figure out what side of the closet to pull and outfit from.

Yes, these people deserve not to be taunted and teased. But where does it end? Why at these pronouns? Aren’t there other people that we are discriminating against by not including there words? How can you arbitrarily stop there- and why isn’t he/she an also acceptable place to end?

Thank you.

[Bailey Guns]

We're still fighting about the Civil War War of Northern Aggression.

[handbags]

[Irving]

There's a commercial that comes on one of the radio stations I listen to frequently about some young girl surfer that lost an arm to a shark attack. The moral of the story is she recovered and went back to surfing and the tag line for the end of the commercial is, "That's real courage." It's as if she saved the world or something because she lost an arm to a shark and started surfing again. I just don't see that as real courage. It's admirable she overcame such a traumatic event...good for her. But I honestly see that commercial as devaluing what I consider to be the meaning of the word 'courage'.

Every time I hear that commercial, and the others like it I think to myself, "Is this why my health insurance costs so much?"

[TheGrey]

The first time I sw "the War of Northern Aggression" I admit, I did a double-take. :)

The words "heroes" and "courage" are being used more and more to describe what my generation learned as "survivors." In the latest Parkland shooting, someone told the kids that they were "heroes." I've no doubt that it was partly to assuage anxieties.

[StagLefty]

^ What about "illegal and undocumented" the 2 have complete different meaning yet now they're used to describe the same thing

[cstone]

74637

[Great-Kazoo]

Yes, these people deserve not to be taunted and teased. But where does it end? Why at these pronouns? Aren’t there other people that we are discriminating against by not including there words? How can you arbitrarily stop there- and why isn’t he/she an also acceptable place to end?


There was a time when Gays were asking for Equal Rights. One of the slogans was We're not asking for Special Rights, only Equal ones.

Guess that went away.





There's a commercial that comes on one of the radio stations I listen to frequently about some young girl surfer that lost an arm to a shark attack. The moral of the story is she recovered and went back to surfing and the tag line for the end of the commercial is, "That's real courage." It's as if she saved the world or something because she lost an arm to a shark and started surfing again. I just don't see that as real courage. It's admirable she overcame such a traumatic event...good for her. But I honestly see that commercial as devaluing what I consider to be the meaning of the word 'courage'.


Really, there's a commercial for that? Mmmm I had my leg amputated and no one's asking me to do a commercial. Is it gender that keeps me from getting asked. Or only people who lose an arm?

[CoGirl303]

How do you know? Do people *choose* to be pedophiles, pederasts, etc.? Do people *choose* to be necrophiliacs? Do people *choose* to be transamputee (or whatever the term is for people who have a mental illness that says their true self is missing a leg, and thus they chop it off). Do people *choose* to be $whatever?

The natural, biological norm is to be a heterosexual. While one may not choose a temptation away from that, in any degree, they do choose to *act* on said temptation.

How do I know? I won't publicly say, but if you want to message me we can discuss it.

The biological norm may very well be heterosexual, but homosexuality in animals and humans alike have been around for thousands of years. Transgender people have also been around just as long, but surgical advances were not readily available until the past 100 years.

Pedophiles...I'm not sure how that works to be honest, but regardless whether that's a choice or some misconfigured brain wiring, a chemical imbalance or a genetic defect...it's against the LAW. PERIOD. I know there's a disgusting liberal movements to "normalize" pedophilia and I am 100% against those movements.

I'm fine with people who are LGBTQ. It is their life and they are free to do as they want (as long as it doesn't break the law or cause physical harm to others). Love is love to me.

I draw the line at child porn, pedophilia and bestiality. Those should ALWAYS be illegal PERIOD. FOREVER.



I think one of the things that people are finding it hard to deal with is the fact that they are being asked (and 'asked' is sometimes masked as 'demands') to conform their behavior to other people's decisions. What I'm finding difficult to understand is not in the transgender change, but all of the new pronouns that encompass...gender-free? "Xir"?

A physical change is one thing. If someone changes themselves from male to female or female to male, it's he to she, or she to he. Got it. But the gender-free? I don't understand the need.

From the OP: "Students may select from the following options in the student portal: she/her/hers; he/him/his; they/them/theirs; ze/zir/zirs; and xe/xer/xers." This is still an optional thing, from what I see of the post.

Change is always met with resistance. We're hardwired that way. And it takes a very long time to accept. That's not saying it's good or bad, but just how it is. We're still fighting about the Civil War. We're still disagreeing about women's equality. This is no different.

I can appreciate and respect this post and I do agree with it very much. The expansion of these gender pronoun categories has gone completely out of control and I get the frustration, but for most of us on this forum, it will never affect us. I doubt 10% of the population will ever even come into contact with these far reaching gender expressions anyhow on more than a "hello, may I take your order basis" or "may I help you" for some sort of customer service function.

How many of you here actually KNOW a transgender person, have met them, interacted with them on a regular day to day basis, consider them a friend or they're a family member? I doubt 10 of you on this forum have (I'd be very surprised if it were more than that). So really this isn't even going to affect any of us.

But should it continue, we'll need some stupid 3 college credit hour course just to understand them all and good luck getting enrollment for that from the unwilling!




It’s hard to be different?

tell that to the 3 transgender women who have literally been hunted like deer and murdered this year in New Orleans just for being transgender.
http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2017/03/transgender_women_killed_new_o.html


Tell that to the two lesbian women in NY who were raped, burned alive and killed for simply being gay and marrying each other.

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/12/new-york-lesbian-couple-and-their-kids-all-had-throats-slit-in-gruesome-quadruple-homicide/

edit wrong link was posted and I said the wrong state. previous link removed due it being another country.




The odder you are the more celebrated you are. When did bullying go from picking on the smart kid to picking on the alphabet kid?

Why are we so dismissive and hostile to this movement? Because we know what it coming next. As we are all in the ‘gun community’ we know they will not stop at pronouns. It is the excising from society of people like us - oddly under the title of diversity and inclusiveness - that is their goal. Hell, it is even ‘for the children’ in both cases.

We have to be quiet about my son’s shooting activities because of general bias and hatred in society, but wear a dress to school and he’d get a medal. My kids school is going to get rid of its dress code because someday it might offend a kids who can’t figure out what side of the closet to pull and outfit from.

Yes, these people deserve not to be taunted and teased. But where does it end? Why at these pronouns? Aren’t there other people that we are discriminating against by not including there words? How can you arbitrarily stop there- and why isn’t he/she an also acceptable place to end?

Unless you're somehow famous, have money or somehow come to the public light...most LGBTQ people never get celebrated. But the rest of your post I do heartily agree with.




You don't know that about homosexuals. And I sure as hell don't believe that transgender people don't have a choice. But, no one knows for sure and there is no scientific study supporting the "born that way" theory that hasn't been refuted in one way or the other as far as I know. On the other hand, we have several centuries worth of the study of nature and reproduction to support the "lifestyle choice" theory.

I don't know why someone would choose to be homosexual. Again...no one knows exactly why. But I do know that nature clearly steers us in the direction of being heterosexual. That's pretty irrefutable. There may be forces or influences in someone's life at some point that left an indelible mark on their brain or psyche that might cause them to believe one way or the other that no one else is aware of...maybe even the person influenced. We just don't know.

Regardless, someone wants to be gay, fine. I'm OK with that. As a matter of fact the best man at my first wedding was gay and was kicked out of the AF because of it. I thought he got a raw deal but those were the rules and consequences at the time. But being gay shouldn't provide you with special treatment. Just like being an outspoken 2A supporter and conservative shouldn't mean I get special treatment. In a perfect world people would be treated the same until they did something to either earn special treatment or earn some type of negative treatment (ie: criminal behavior).

If people who are "different" have the right to be radical about their beliefs and take an "in your face" approach to preaching their beliefs then I have the same right in regards to my beliefs. And radical homosexual rights advocates have been preaching with the "in your face" style for decades. I'll admit it...I'm just a little tired of it.

Bailey, when did you "make the decision" to be straight?

Any "study" can be refuted. Many organizations like the "American College of Pediatrics" which mind you isn't even a legitimate medical group, has refuted a lot of things based on their religious belief systems rather than medical expertise and science. Many doctors, psychiatrists and psychologists and scientists inject their political and religious beliefs into their refudiations, rather than their expert medical experience and knowledge. Medicine and science continue to evolve at an amazing rate. We're learning new things about the human body EVERY SINGLE DAY...and many of those things challenge what we already know and what we believe.

Dr. George Church is on the brink of bringing the Wooly Mammoth back to life. It's 2-4 years away from happening. He's also working on gene replacement therapy to replace the decaying, dying genes in the human body that break down which causes us to age. Injecting humans with replacement genes that are younger, essentially will give the next generation or the one after that the ability to live 250 years. A generation or two after that will be able to live up to 800-900 years!

https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2017/02/george-church-indicates-reversal-of.html

But there is growing scientific evidence that suggests transgender people experience something during gestation that leads to the miswiring of the brain in regards to their gender. But there is still so much that scientists and doctors DO NOT know about what causes this.

http://health.heraldtribune.com/2016/06/21/brody-transgender-identity-may-form-in-the-womb/

I strongly disagree with "lifestyle". They live life pretty much just as you do. Eat, work, potty, maintain their homes, go on vacation, go shopping, go have fun, etc. Only thing that is really different is who/how they love, and how they identify their gender to the rest of the world.


And if you think all this is bad...just wait till transgender women start getting womb implants and carrying their own children and giving birth via c-section. You'll really have a conniption fit I suppose.

http://www.ladbible.com/news/interesting-womb-transplants-could-allow-transgender-woman-chance-to-have-babies-20171105


and if gene replacement therapy is possible to reverse human aging...it's only a matter of time before gene/chromosome replacement therapies can fully change a person's genetic sex/gender.


SCIENCE IS AMAZING!

[CS1983]

1) How do I know? I won't publicly say, but if you want to message me we can discuss it.



2) The biological norm may very well be heterosexual, but homosexuality in animals and humans alike have been around for thousands of years. Transgender people have also been around just as long, but surgical advances were not readily available until the past 100 years.



3) Pedophiles...I'm not sure how that works to be honest, but regardless whether that's a choice or some misconfigured brain wiring, a chemical imbalance or a genetic defect...it's against the LAW. PERIOD. I know there's a disgusting liberal movements to "normalize" pedophilia and I am 100% against those movements.


4) I'm fine with people who are LGBTQ. It is their life and they are free to do as they want (as long as it doesn't break the law or cause physical harm to others). Love is love to me.



5) I draw the line at child porn, pedophilia and bestiality. Those should ALWAYS be illegal PERIOD. FOREVER.

....


6) just wait till transgender women start getting womb implants and carrying their own children and giving birth via c-section. You'll really have a conniption fit I suppose.

http://www.ladbible.com/news/interesting-womb-transplants-could-allow-transgender-woman-chance-to-have-babies-20171105


and if gene replacement therapy is possible to reverse human aging...it's only a matter of time before gene/chromosome replacement therapies can fully change a person's genetic sex/gender.


SCIENCE IS AMAZING!



Numbered for ease of reply.

1) Apologies, and no aspersions meant to be cast your way, but I have no private contact with women not my wife or family out of respect for her and lessons I watched others learn the hard way in both the Army and civilian work environments. Particularly on this subject, I cannot in good conscience send you a PM.

2) Let's rephrase this and see what you think: the dietary norm may very well not involve cannibalism, but cannibalism in animals and humans alike has been around for thousands of years.

Not exactly a rhetorical win, eh?

Homosexuality in animals is not a conscious decision. Animals do not have rational souls, and thus their decisions are based on things like emotion (which they do have), physical desires, expression of dominance, etc.

Homosexuality is an exclusionary orientation towards another in the context of sex. Animals do not display exclusionary orientation, but may or may not engage in specific individual acts. There's a distinct difference.

Until recently, the very same science you laud recognized homosexuality for what it is: a psychological illness.

As to so-called Transgender people, they too are mentally ill. They have developed an alter-ego character in their minds which allows them to obfuscate, hide from, or address issues they have with themselves as they are. One does not change their sex, simply. A "woman" from Thailand who would put most actual woman to physical shame, if a genetic test is done, will be shown to be a male. What we have is a societal acceptance and encouragement of a mental illness, diagnosed as such, called gender dysphoria. A similar diagnosis is "body integrity identity disorder", where people literally see their arm, leg, or whatever as not part of them and not in accordance with their true self. We'd rightly say anyone who travels to Trinidad, CO to have their perfectly functional arm hacked off as screwed up in the head. We would not, I'd hope, encourage that!

3) Why exactly does legality matter for pedophiles and not homosexuals and transgenders? The latter two used to be illegal in practice as well. They were illegal, as is pedophilia, because they are morally repugnant to be acted out and disturbing to be tempted towards. What will you say when, not if, it's legalized? Don't think it will happen? Think again. And when someone tries to groom a 10 year old boy, and the kid's dad pops two 12ga shells of buckshot into the Pedo, the dad will be the bigoted bad guy getting in the way of "love".

4) So if homosexual acts and attempted sex changes were once again made illegal, you'd just stuff all your pro-X arguments in a box? That's a rather milquetoast position if so. And why is it ok for a person to cause physical harm to themselves when acting out their mental illness, but not another? What if someone had a fetish for chopping off limbs, and another had BIID? Should it be ok for them to, as two consenting adults, engage in a machete and branding iron operation?

5) Why? Love is love, right? What if some dude's dog humps his leg, and so he decides to let the dog screw him? If animals can make a decision to engage in homosexual behavior, as you have claimed, then what's the problem? What about when a couple build a sex chamber in their RV so they can screw their Husky? Was that not ok prior to 2007, when bestiality was finally made illegal in CO? Cus a couple in Aurora just got arrested for that very thing in April. Dude looks like a normal enough guy. She looks like she was probably a looker back in her own day... screwing the dog: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5648101/Colorado-couple-allegedly-sex-dog-motorhome-sex-chamber.html

Where do you draw the line on pedophilia and child porn? Is it 12? 13? Cus that's the age bracket of the youngest to ever be tried as adults in the US for 1st degree murder: https://abcnews.go.com/US/youngest-children-adults-1st-degree-murder-released/story?id=32644967

6) There is much more to gestating a child to term than simply having a uterus. Hormonal changes, actual reactions and releases, occur. A transgender "woman" cannot produce eggs. They cannot produce any of the hormones necessary. It would be an entirely fictitious even nowhere on the level of an actual pregnancy and birth.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

(Please read this in your "He's just breaking my balls", or silicone inserts voice. Kind of like Morgan Freeman with extra sass, but in reality more like Steve Buscemi.)

Might want to check on the lesbian killing.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5246951/Was-grisly-quadruple-murder-TV-Xbox.html

More stone cold thugs than anything else it would seem.


I still don't know how you can say that the transgendered were killed for being transgendered, especially when the LEOs in the article you linked to said:

New Orleans police say the deaths of Gibson and McElveen do not appear to be connected, and that neither was targeted for being a transgender woman.

People get killed all the time, unfortunately, these two/three cases seem to be old-school Cain and Able, or maybe Cain and Mable, whatever. For every story you pull I can find one that disproves your point, or maybe I'll just use yours ;)

I get that being a poor, black lesbian has to suck; but in 99% of the schools if a guy says he like black d!ck or black guns- guess which one will gain him more scorn and scrutiny?

I don't care about biology or the feelings or some hokey new age religion shaman justification for it. I really don't care. I heard an anthropologist say once that isn't amazing that we eat animals, its more amazing that we don't eat more of them. You want to have a sexual appetite list that reads like an alphabet zoo- more power and penicillin to you.

What I do care about is having to hold my tongue when some obviously looney is off the rails, but I have to grin and praise her craziness. I take the Jordan Peterson line, you can't make me think or say what you want me to say because of your feelings.

Don't think that is true, look at our baker here in CO. Like that couple couldn't find a gay baker who would make a faaaaabulous cake for them. Or they could buy something off that guys shelf- not a problem. The left takes our libertarian bias on a hands off dealing with these things, and then turns around and jams it down our throat.

Dress like a lady, I'll probably call you 'she'. Be a collectivist forcing your opinion on people with govt threats, and I'll call you a NAZI.

That's how I zee it.

[Irving]

I'm not sure why people think it's some great mystery about whether people are born gay or not. We're not theorizing about the after life or something. Gay people exist, anyone can just go and ask them.

[buffalobo]

Holy crap, a controversial topic, vigorous debate, peanut gallery and no personal attacks?

Cool.[AR15]

[CoGirl303]

Until recently, the very same science you laud recognized homosexuality for what it is: a psychological illness.

and science and medicine evolved beyond that.



As to so-called Transgender people, they too are mentally ill. They have developed an alter-ego character in their minds which allows them to obfuscate, hide from, or address issues they have with themselves as they are. One does not change their sex, simply. A "woman" from Thailand who would put most actual woman to physical shame, if a genetic test is done, will be shown to be a male. What we have is a societal acceptance and encouragement of a mental illness, diagnosed as such, called gender dysphoria.

I'd have to disagree with the mentally ill aspect. One can't change their genetics, but they can change their physical form to match their gender identity which is the entire need for their validation. Studies have proven that transition and surgery are the only proven methods of treatment to alleviate the dysphoria. You can't "conversion therapy" someone out of being trans. You can't beat it out of them, you can't counsel it out of them. And unless you have some sort of professional medical training and experience in this field, you're definitely not qualified to speak to their mental status.



3) Why exactly does legality matter for pedophiles and not homosexuals and transgenders? The latter two used to be illegal in practice as well. They were illegal, as is pedophilia, because they are morally repugnant to be acted out and disturbing to be tempted towards. What will you say when, not if, it's legalized? Don't think it will happen? Think again. And when someone tries to groom a 10 year old boy, and the kid's dad pops two 12ga shells of buckshot into the Pedo, the dad will be the bigoted bad guy getting in the way of "love".

because Transgender people only physically affect their own lives by transitioning and having surgery. They aren't imposing physical alterations upon anyone else. Pedophilia is not a consentual act between two adults of sound mind and body. One is an adult with an attraction towards children with a very troubled mentality, the other is a child with an under developed mentality, who doesn't even hardly know what sex is or the implications behind it, let alone what love is.



5) Why? Love is love, right? What if some dude's dog humps his leg, and so he decides to let the dog screw him? If animals can make a decision to engage in homosexual behavior, as you have claimed, then what's the problem? What about when a couple build a sex chamber in their RV so they can screw their Husky? Was that not ok prior to 2007, when bestiality was finally made illegal in CO? Cus a couple in Aurora just got arrested for that very thing in April. Dude looks like a normal enough guy. She looks like she was probably a looker back in her own day... screwing the dog: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5648101/Colorado-couple-allegedly-sex-dog-motorhome-sex-chamber.html

thank goodness they were arrested.




Where do you draw the line on pedophilia and child porn? Is it 12? 13? Cus that's the age bracket of the youngest to ever be tried as adults in the US for 1st degree murder: https://abcnews.go.com/US/youngest-children-adults-1st-degree-murder-released/story?id=32644967

18. that's where I draw the line.



6) There is much more to gestating a child to term than simply having a uterus. Hormonal changes, actual reactions and releases, occur. A transgender "woman" cannot produce eggs. They cannot produce any of the hormones necessary. It would be an entirely fictitious even nowhere on the level of an actual pregnancy and birth.

Nope, they can't produce them, but you can inject them and the sperm in there. They would have to the hormones injected, but it would be close enough for them and if that makes them happy, then who cares?


4) So if homosexual acts and attempted sex changes were once again made illegal, you'd just stuff all your pro-X arguments in a box? That's a rather milquetoast position if so. And why is it ok for a person to cause physical harm to themselves when acting out their mental illness, but not another

Ah, the old "what if" and "then" statements trick. No I wouldn't. But they won't be made illegal again, so I'll not worry about such a thing happening. No one is causing physical harm to themselves. You're rather ignorant on the subject, and as such, I'll have to recuse myself from further conversation with you because I simply can't argue or debate with the willfully ignorant who make blanket statements about people they have never met or interacted with. Good day.



I still don't know how you can say that the transgendered were killed for being transgendered, especially when the LEOs in the article you linked to said:

New Orleans police are about as incompetent in regards to transgender individuals as it gets. They wouldn't know if they were targeted or not and it's doubtful they even care. Southerners are very ignorant when it comes to trans people and issues, so forgive me if I take that statement with a grain of salt. Most police departments see murdered trans people as "just another dead tranny" and nothing more, nothing less and they care equally less.

[Bailey Guns]

Southerners are very ignorant when it comes to trans people and issues, so forgive me if I take that statement with a grain of salt. Most police departments see murdered trans people as "just another dead tranny" and nothing more, nothing less and they care equally less.

Whatever credibility you might've had is now completely gone.

Funny thing how it's apparently OK for you to attack an entire class of people while feebly attempting to defend another class. And you berate others for acting just as you act.

[brutal]

If that Wooly Mammoth comes back and decides it's trans and wants gender correction surgery, I'm going to lose my shit.

[Eric P]

Only 2 choices are needed.

Got a swinging dick, then use he, his, him
Dont got a dick, then use she, hers, her

Simple. Anything else is nonsense.

[BPTactical]

Only 2 choices are needed.

Got a swinging dick, then use he, his, him
Dont got a dick, then use she, hers, her

Simple. Anything else is nonsense.

Amen


https://youtu.be/0-JA1ffd5Ms

[TheGrey]

Do they even know what the Wooly Mammoths ate, and is it still available now? And WHY in the world would they try and bring one back? Can you imagine something with a temperment of a buffalo, the size of an elephant? Just because they could in theory doesn't mean it's a good idea.

Did that scientist not see Jurassic Park?