Oliver North - New NRA Head

[Pistol Packing Preacher]

https://www.thewrap.com/oliver-north-become-nra-president/

I wonder what this will be like!

[cstone]

He is replacing Pete Brownell who chose not to run for a second term.

North will just be another face for progressives to throw things at...because the other ten plus spokespersons for the NRA just aren't enough people for them to hate.

[Justin]

You should go read the comments over at the Washington Post website.

Holy cow.

[roberth]

You should go read the comments over at the Washington Post website.

Holy cow.

Nah, there are plenty of idiot leftists right here, don't need to go looking for the fuckwits elsewhere.

[Gman]

I wonder what this will be like!
If it means I see and hear less from LaPierre, that's a positive.

[Sawin]

Too bad he’s not replacing Wayne...Even as a life member, i just cannot get behind him for some reason. Oliver North will do well for the Association. He is a much higher caliber leader and speaker in my opinion.

[SideShow Bob]

Wasn’t he the fall guy for the Iran - Contra scandal ?

[Ridge]

Yes he was. And he can FOAD as far as I'm concerned.

I'd been thinking of donating to the NRA just to do something against all the anti gun shit being pushed around right now, but no way in hell I'll do it after this decision.

[Sawin]

Yes he was. And he can FOAD as far as I'm concerned.

I'd been thinking of donating to the NRA just to do something against all the anti gun shit being pushed around right now, but no way in hell I'll do it after this decision.

Well you clearly feel strongly. Mind to share why for my edification, and perhaps other’s?

[Ridge]

Well you clearly feel strongly. Mind to share why for my edification, and perhaps other’s?

He illegally sold weapons to an enemy of the United States and used the money earned from that to finance another enemy's war to destabilize a neighboring county in Latin America. He admitted to it himself. He's a traitor.

[Gman]

He illegally sold weapons to an enemy of the United States and used the money earned from that to finance another enemy's war to destabilize a neighboring county in Latin America. He admitted to it himself. He's a traitor.
What was he convicted of?

[Ridge]

What was he convicted of?

What was Clinton convicted of?

What was Holder convicted of?

The powerful don't have to answer to the same laws we do.

[Honey Badger282.8]

I don’t harbor any negative opinions of Lt Col North, but his name is mud in the general population. Appointing him to a leadership position within the NRA is bad optics.

[waffles]

This was really great timing, I had a discussion with the girlfriend and some friends about how despite a lot of the dumb statements in the past, and their handling of the Philando Castile case in particular, that the NRA was really not an awful organization and that they do offer a lot of services/programs for gun owners (even if some of those are services I don't really think we should have to make use of).

Then I got to explain why I groaned at this news.

I've spent so much goddamned time trying to get new people into guns, but when we keep stepping on our dicks making shooting into a part of this ongoing "culture war" with stuff like this I get real bummed out.

[Great-Kazoo]

Wasn’t he the fall guy for the Iran - Contra scandal ?

I'm not been a fan or Ollie since the IC debacle. However i will say i was impressed how he literally fell on his sword, Never giving up anyone but himself.

And yes it is bad optics.

[cstone]

74660

[waffles]

74660

I've had that damn song stuck in my head all day too

Ollllllie north. OLLLLIE NORTH!

[BPTactical]

He illegally sold weapons to an enemy of the United States and used the money earned from that to finance another enemy's war to destabilize a neighboring county in Latin America. He admitted to it himself. He's a traitor.

LOL.
He facilitated arms sales to kill communists and then funneled the proceeds to another country to kill communists.
He did so covertly because Democratic Congress members blocked any above board attempts to do the above.
Then when same pissy bitch Democratic Congress members attempted to eviscerate him and get him to roll he basically told Congress to eat shit.
He fell on his own sword to protect those above.
He also forewarned us of the Islamic threat facing us.

He's an American hero.



He might not be the perfect choice for NRA President but he is a Marine.
They have core values that are in the best interest of this nation and our Constitution.
Close enough to perfect for me.

Besides, his presence will make lefties shit kittens.

RobertH, your earlier post rings true.

[hollohas]

However i will say i was impressed how he literally fell on his sword, Never giving up anyone but himself.

Exactly. Anyone who thinks it was all him and not directed from above is awfully short sighted.


And yes it is bad optics.

Disagree. Literally no one outside a few NRA members cares who the NRA president is. All of the sudden the whole entire liberal universe ACTS like they care.

Gun haters will hate the NRA no matter who is president...so how could this choice, or any choice, be bad optics? There is no such thing as good optics for people with blind hate.

I have no feeling what-so-ever towards North. But if that's who was chosen, I suspect it was because he was the best choice in the minds of the voting members/board. And if he leads the NRA to stop with the BS compromises, then I will agree with them.

[spqrzilla]

NRA's President has no actual powers. He is nothing but a figurehead. The President of the NRA does not "lead" anything or anyone. Given that, it was a stupid choice in my opinion.

[OtterbatHellcat]

I'm also a life member of the NRA.

I'll wait and see how it works out.

[TheSparkens]

LOL.
He facilitated arms sales to kill communists and then funneled the proceeds to another country to kill communists.
He did so covertly because Democratic Congress members blocked any above board attempts to do the above.
Then when same pissy bitch Democratic Congress members attempted to eviscerate him and get him to roll he basically told Congress to eat shit.
He fell on his own sword to protect those above.
He also forewarned us of the Islamic threat facing us.

He's an American hero.



He might not be the perfect choice for NRA President but he is a Marine.
They have core values that are in the best interest of this nation and our Constitution.
Close enough to perfect for me.

Besides, his presence will make lefties shit kittens.

RobertH, your earlier post rings true.
Well said Mr. North did his job, and never turned tail to hide from anyone. He did what he should have, protected us and fell on a granade doing just that. IC went much higher then Mr. North.

[waffles]

So wait, are we calling Iran Contra good now?

[Gman]

So wait, are we calling Iran Contra good now?If you were one of the freed hostages, what would you call it?

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[Fentonite]

LOL.
He facilitated arms sales to kill communists and then funneled the proceeds to another country to kill communists.
He did so covertly because Democratic Congress members blocked any above board attempts to do the above.
Then when same pissy bitch Democratic Congress members attempted to eviscerate him and get him to roll he basically told Congress to eat shit.
He fell on his own sword to protect those above.
He also forewarned us of the Islamic threat facing us.

He's an American hero.



He might not be the perfect choice for NRA President but he is a Marine.
They have core values that are in the best interest of this nation and our Constitution.
Close enough to perfect for me.

Besides, his presence will make lefties shit kittens.

RobertH, your earlier post rings true.

Yep.

[cstone]

Some perspective on who got paid:

President Obama paid Iran billions of dollars(we don't actually know how much because no one is investigating): https://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-s-paid-1-3-billion-to-iran-two-days-after-cash-delivery/

President Reagan paid Iran 15.2 million dollars: https://www.nytimes.com/1987/11/19/world/the-iran-contra-report-spending-the-money.html

What did we get? President Obama got a promise from Iran to slow their nuclear program and much of that money is now being used to wage war against the West. President Reagan got some dead Sandinista communists and a few American hostages released by Hezbollah.

While I would much rather have all of this money refunded to the taxpayers of the United States, I am not losing any sleep over LTC North's current position with the NRA. I doubt that there are very many of us who watched the Iran-Contra hearings live, and even fewer of us who spent some time on Capitol Hill while those hearings were taking place.

If Fred Rogers was still alive and held a position at the NRA, the same progressive ideologues would be screaming epithets about him bathing in the blood of dead children.

Much anxiety about nothing.

[theGinsue]

LOL.
He facilitated arms sales to kill communists and then funneled the proceeds to another country to kill communists.
He did so covertly because Democratic Congress members blocked any above board attempts to do the above.
Then when same pissy bitch Democratic Congress members attempted to eviscerate him and get him to roll he basically told Congress to eat shit.
He fell on his own sword to protect those above.
He also forewarned us of the Islamic threat facing us.

He's an American hero.



He might not be the perfect choice for NRA President but he is a Marine.
They have core values that are in the best interest of this nation and our Constitution.
Close enough to perfect for me.

Besides, his presence will make lefties shit kittens.

RobertH, your earlier post rings true.


I couldn't have said it better myself. Say what you will, I have much respect for the man.

Anyone who thinks a LtCol could own total responsibility for the Iran-Contra deal doesn't understand the authority of rank in the military.

[Gman]

Anyone who thinks a LtCol could own total responsibility for the Iran-Contra deal doesn't understand the authority of rank in the military.
...or clandestine operations.



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[Skip]

My only question: Will the NRA find its balls and start representing gun owners?

If so, I will renew and donate again.

Obama Voters: Oh teh noes Iran Contra
Obama: Gives Iran $1.7 BILLION CASH on pallets

[Justin]

I don’t harbor any negative opinions of Lt Col North, but his name is mud in the general population. Appointing him to a leadership position within the NRA is bad optics.

The NRA will never, ever, ever be able to do anything at all that would result in "good optics" from the mainstream press, politicians, or the left, so as far as a metric for good/bad, this one doesn't really apply.

Don't read this as a defense of North.

[UrbanWolf]

I don’t know why is on the pro gun side keep bring in issues or characters that can potentially muddy up the water instead of just focusing on guns. Liberals sure can do it better.

[DavieD55]

Maybe he's been a patriot in the past, but maybe he's a fudd sensible sally too. Just because someone did something heroic in the military doesn't mean they're 110% pro gun champion either. Only time can tell.

[BushMasterBoy]

I just wonder what the paycheck is for this job? I bet it is above the national average...

[Bailey Guns]

Anyone who thinks a LtCol could own total responsibility for the Iran-Contra deal doesn't understand the authority of rank in the military a lot of things.

And I completely agree with BP's take on this. Revisionist history is alive and well, it seems, in the case of Iran/Contra and Lt Col North.

[DavieD55]

He's no longer in the military. His military career is in the past. He works for the NRA now, an organization with millions of followers.

[hollohas]

And I completely agree with BP's take on this. Revisionist history is alive and well, it seems, in the case of Iran/Contra and Lt Col North.I'm 35 and I can tell you that it simply wasn't taught while I was in HS. Who knows now. But my guess is that hardly ANY millennials know ANYTHING about it, yet alone a revised version of it.

I would bet good money that the vast majority of younger folks never heard of it before the liberal media told them that they should be bent out of shape because the NRA elected him. They are just now learning about Iran Contra in the limited scope of what the media wants them to think about it.

Which speaks to the 'optics' of this as well. The older folks who remember Iran Contra and who aren't NRA members yet have had plenty of time to become members before North was elected/placed as President. If they wanted to, they would have already. I seriously doubt a different president would have gotten them off the fence anymore than North as president will keep them in the fence.

As for the younger folks who were considering joining the NRA, they never heard of Iran Contra before this week. My guess is it won't solicit any sort of emotional response from them. Again, if they're on the fence, North and the 'optics' of his election, isn't going to sway them either way.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Maybe he's been a patriot in the past, but maybe he's a fudd sensible sally too. Just because someone did something heroic in the military doesn't mean they're 110% pro gun champion either. Only time can tell.

He has written a lot on townhall, iirc, so you could go look if curious.

[crays]

I'm 35 and I can tell you that it simply wasn't taught while I was in HS. Who knows now. But my guess is that hardly ANY millennials know ANYTHING about it, yet alone a revised version of it.

I would bet good money that the vast majority of younger folks never heard of it before the liberal media told them that they should be bent out of shape because the NRA elected him. They are just now learning about Iran Contra in the limited scope of what the media wants them to think about it.

Which speaks to the 'optics' of this as well. The older folks who remember Iran Contra and who aren't NRA members yet have had plenty of time to become members before North was elected/placed as President. If they wanted to, they would have already. I seriously doubt a different president would have gotten them off the fence anymore than North as president will keep them in the fence.

As for the younger folks who were considering joining the NRA, they never heard of Iran Contra before this week. My guess is it won't solicit any sort of emotional response from them. Again, if they're on the fence, North and the 'optics' of his election, isn't going to sway them either way.

The text I bolded is exactly in line with what I was getting ready to offer up. The mush-minded useful idiots will be given yet another force fed opinion to hold as gospel.

[Bailey Guns]

He's no longer in the military. His military career is in the past. He works for the NRA now, an organization with millions of followers.

He's a retired Lt Col. As such, he still has an association with the military and using his rank is very much appropriate. He was also awarded a Silver Star and Bronze Star w/Valor.

North was initially convicted of 3 felonies involving receiving an illegal gratuity and maybe obstructing congress or something similar. His convictions were overturned in the early 90s because of prosecutorial mistakes...with assistance, if you can believe it, of the ACLU.

His salary at the NRA, if it's in line with recent past presidents, should be just over $1M. Probably not out of line for an organization of 5M members and annual revenues of about $250M.

[CO Hugh]

+1
I also always thought it was slick he came up with this idea purportedly on his own, initiative!!

LOL.
He facilitated arms sales to kill communists and then funneled the proceeds to another country to kill communists.
He did so covertly because Democratic Congress members blocked any above board attempts to do the above.
Then when same pissy bitch Democratic Congress members attempted to eviscerate him and get him to roll he basically told Congress to eat shit.
He fell on his own sword to protect those above.
He also forewarned us of the Islamic threat facing us.

He's an American hero.



He might not be the perfect choice for NRA President but he is a Marine.
They have core values that are in the best interest of this nation and our Constitution.
Close enough to perfect for me.

Besides, his presence will make lefties shit kittens.

RobertH, your earlier post rings true.

[Vic Tory]

I don't care about "the optics." I don't want the NRA to be ... palatable ... to the Left. I want the NRA to fight for gun owners. Ollie's a fighter.

Good move.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I am not a fan of Lt Col North's but the felgercarb kids like Ridge are being taught is just ridiculous. The man worked a scheme to get one enemy of the US to pay for weapons to fight another enemy of the US at literally no cost to the US taxpayer except his salary and possibly his travel expenses (the Saudis may have paid for that too). The whole Democrat outrage about Iran-Contra is amusing because they really had n Constitutional leg to stand on since the deal didn't involve USG funds -- and it came at the same time Democratic Congressmen were conducting shadow foreign policy (clearly illegal and violation of the separation of powers) with true enemies of America and democratic capitalism.

It's too bad "Gunny" died unexpectedly because he probably would have made an excellent NRA President but I expect North will piss the Left off even more than Heston did -- and Heston is why I upgraded my membership to Life in the first place.

[Bailey Guns]

and it came at the same time Democratic Congressmen were conducting shadow foreign policy (clearly illegal and violation of the separation of powers) with true enemies of America and democratic capitalism.

Like John Kerry is now? That fuckstick still thinks he has a right to negotiate with Iran on behalf of the US

[hollohas]

Like John Kerry is now? That fuckstick still thinks he has a right to negotiate with Iran on behalf of the USExactly what I was thinking. Isn't that illegal?

[Great-Kazoo]

Exactly what I was thinking. Isn't that illegal?

Illegal yes, whether there will ever be anyone charged, highly doubtful

Logan Act

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/953

[Bailey Guns]

Maybe it's time to charge someone. Kerry will do.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Maybe it's time to charge someone. Kerry will do.

To hell with charging him. Just get him out of the country for once and for all. Macron ought to take him since he loves France so much.