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So.. I’m an unafilliated voter so I get to vote in the primary now. I got two ballots in the mail, one republican, one democrat, I get to pick one or.the other. What should be my stratagy? Pick the person I think is the worst person available on the side that I would prefer to lose or pick the best person available on the side that I would prefer to win?
Zundfolge
06-05-2018, 17:11
What should be my stratagy? Pick the person I think is the worst person available on the side that I would prefer to lose or pick the best person available on the side that I would prefer to win?
Thank you for reminding me why this new "unaffiliated voters get to monkey-wrench the primaries" thing is complete and utter bullshit.
Thank you for reminding me why this new "unaffiliated voters get to monkey-wrench the primaries" thing is complete and utter bullshit.
LOL.. I totally get where you're coming from. And this post may be more in jest than serious. :D
On the other hand.. based on who is in the D camp and the current 2A climate and platforms they are running on I can be 100% sure I'm not voting D.. so, who has the stronger candidate right now? It doesn't seem like there is a strong R front runner, so do I muddy the D camp or pick one of the R's not really knowing at the moment who would be the best R?
I might vote as a D in the primary this year just so I can vote against Polis for Governor. The sleazeball MF has invested almost $8 million of his own money in the campaign so far, and still is behind the other D in the race. It would be sweet justice if he lost.
Zundfolge
06-05-2018, 17:36
Figure out which Democrat is the weakest candidate and vote for them (as ethically distasteful as I find all this :p )
Hmm. Why hadn’t I thought about this before?
I might just straight up register as a D so I can try and get the worst candidates on the ballot then just cast my vote for the R when it’s election time.
Could be a viable strategy if we could get millions of people to follow suit.
So.. I’m an unafilliated voter so I get to vote in the primary now. I got two ballots in the mail, one republican, one democrat, I get to pick one or.the other. What should be my stratagy? Pick the person I think is the worst person available on the side that I would prefer to lose or pick the best person available on the side that I would prefer to win?
Vote the most batshit insane leftist for the dems, vote the most right leaning GOP person in the areas of gun rights/immigration.
68Charger
06-05-2018, 19:17
Thank you for reminding me why this new "unaffiliated voters get to monkey-wrench the primaries" thing is complete and utter bullshit.
Yeah, because leaving 1/3 of the voters out of the primary is a good idea... I was "unaffiliated" before I left, because I couldn't bear to be affiliated with the idiocy that was the Colorado GOP.
Vote the most batshit insane leftist for the dems, vote the most right leaning GOP person in the areas of gun rights/immigration.
I've seen this being done already.. I'm just about the hardest (R) leaning county in the state... and there are (D) voters going to the polls calling over the walls about what is this biggest Demtard they can vote for... I couldn't keep a straight face. but in reality, it's the only way to make a vote count here... it's obviously going to go (R) in the end.
Bailey Guns
06-05-2018, 19:48
I've seen this being done already.. I'm just about the hardest (R) leaning county in the state... and there are (D) voters going to the polls calling over the walls about what is this biggest Demtard they can vote for... I couldn't keep a straight face. but in reality, it's the only way to make a vote count here... it's obviously going to go (R) in the end.
Same thing here. Probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 to 30 percent of state and local offices don't even get a D candidate because they know it's a waste of time and money. The down side is you may have 8 or 9 R candidates running for a seat and it's hard to wade thru the BS to pick the best one.
If anyone has ever complimented the Democratic Party, or voters, for their ability to stick together on the same page and at least get their candidate elected, then voting for the "worst" democrat in your opinion is the absolute worst move possible.
Zundfolge
06-05-2018, 21:17
Yeah, because leaving 1/3 of the voters out of the primary is a good idea... I was "unaffiliated" before I left, because I couldn't bear to be affiliated with the idiocy that was the Colorado GOP.
Then you should have no say in who the GOP candidate is. Just like you should have no say in how the Elks club is run if you're not a member.
If you want a say in who the party picks as candidate is you should have to join the party.
If anyone has ever complimented the Democratic Party, or voters, for their ability to stick together on the same page and at least get their candidate elected, then voting for the "worst" democrat in your opinion is the absolute worst move possible.
When I say "worst" I mean the one that has the least chance in the general election, not the most horrible Democrat (since that's all of them).
Voting for the worst is a very bad idea, because they might just win the election.
This is what I meant.
DenverGP
06-05-2018, 22:15
Voting for the worst is a very bad idea, because they might just win the election.
I can just imagine some dem voters who crossed the lines and voted for trump in the republican primaries thinking that there is no way he'd ever win.... They'll that take secret to their graves.
Delfuego
06-05-2018, 22:18
Vote the most batshit insane leftist for the dems, vote the most right leaning GOP person in the areas of gun rights/immigration.You're an idiot. This is the behavior that has gotten us into the intractable mess our government is currently in. Please "F" off back to NV or wherever you actually are from. You contribute nothing.
Bailey Guns
06-06-2018, 06:42
You're an idiot. This is the behavior that has gotten us into the intractable mess our government is currently in. Please "F" off back to NV or wherever you actually are from. You contribute nothing.
Yeah. And this post contributes what exactly?
Great-Kazoo
06-06-2018, 06:55
Same thing here. Probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 to 30 percent of state and local offices don't even get a D candidate because they know it's a waste of time and money. The down side is you may have 8 or 9 R candidates running for a seat and it's hard to wade thru the BS to pick the best one.
Not 2018, but 2020 based on current CA influx to Boise, ID may get a shock come election time.
It's the 2nd largest growing place where CA residents have been moving. Get enough to move the needle even 1 state seat, will empower the leftist more.
Voting for the worst is a very bad idea, because they might just win the election.
For how hard all 3d's are going hard left of center, i would not be surprised if Kennedy or that other schmuck took the governors house.
What use to be confined to Boulder, spread to Denver. Now Ft Collins and IMO a moderate portion of weld cty has swung left. Ft Collins over taking Boulder as the bastion of progressive fuktards.
Unfortunately no matter what state one resides, the ever moving plague of locust progressives will be hard to contain.
Yeah. And this post contributes what exactly?
Are you defending this Nevada joker?
68Charger
06-06-2018, 08:18
Then you should have no say in who the GOP candidate is. Just like you should have no say in how the Elks club is run if you're not a member.
If you want a say in who the party picks as candidate is you should have to join the party.
When I say "worst" I mean the one that has the least chance in the general election, not the most horrible Democrat (since that's all of them).
Yeah, I became unaffiliated because the Colorado GOP was run so poorly I didn't want to be affiliated with it... what's to keep Dems from registering (R) just to vote for the worst? It's not like there is any security set up to prevent anything like that.
But whatever, I've got completely different voting issues now.
You can do how you wish. Personally, I don't see that voting for a pilot of the plane you're going to be on who can't fly as being a good idea. Remember, that pilot may end up winning if the majority of passengers can't discern his inability or simply don't vote and then you're on the flight.
Something tells me the founders of this great country didn't have "vote for the least likely to succeed candidate" anywhere in their sights when they thought this whole thing up. Personally, I want a good candidate that represents MY ideals regardless of affiliation. I also don't see the brave men and women who fought and died for that right expected we would us any aspect to vote for the person most likely to guide the train over a cliff. There's a lot of great men and women who went before us who did pretty brave things that I can't even contemplate in order for us to make this nation as great & successful as possible.
But... it's your vote.
Delfuego
06-06-2018, 08:51
Well said Jer.
I hope we will be able, as a nation, to ignore the loud ignorant voices on the fringes. Without a viable 3rd party we are stuck with little option. We can however resist the urge to wage war against those we disagree with. This is not a game, it's the future of our country.
Thank you for reminding me why this new "unaffiliated voters get to monkey-wrench the primaries" thing is complete and utter bullshit.
...and the taxpayers get to pay for it. Yay!
So let me get this straight.
D's vote for the worst R , and R's vote for the worst D, and then everyone has a choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich in the end?
[ROFL1]
So let me get this straight.
D's vote for the worst R , and R's vote for the worst D, and then everyone has a choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich in the end?
[ROFL1]
...and then everyone who plays stupid games wonders why we win stupid prizes as a nation.
eddiememphis
06-09-2018, 16:08
Arapahoe County mailed their ballots this week. They enclosed both D and R to unaffiliated voters like myself.
Unaffiliated voters may now vote in the primary they choose.
This brings up an interesting question. One that was the main reason I voted against it as a ballot measure last election.
Do you vote your party or do you vote to sabotage the other side?
thedave1164
06-09-2018, 16:32
If we did not have 4 gov candidates on the rep primary ballot, yes, I would vote the dem ballot and hope to boost their weakest candidates
Honey Badger282.8
06-09-2018, 17:42
What's the consensus on the GOP candidates? The only ads I saw on my recent visit to CO were for Walker Stapleton.
This conversation has been ongoing. You can find it in the Legislation & Politics forum.
ETA: Link - https://www.ar-15.co/threads/169053-New-primary-system
Arapahoe County mailed their ballots this week. They enclosed both D and R to unaffiliated voters like myself.
Unaffiliated voters may now vote in the primary they choose.
This brings up an interesting question. One that was the main reason I voted against it as a ballot measure last election.
Do you vote your party or do you vote to sabotage the other side?
You better believe the other side will be voting to sabotage...
eddiememphis
06-09-2018, 20:51
You can do how you wish. Personally, I don't see that voting for a pilot of the plane you're going to be on who can't fly as being a good idea. Remember, that pilot may end up winning if the majority of passengers can't discern his inability or simply don't vote and then you're on the flight.
Something tells me the founders of this great country didn't have "vote for the least likely to succeed candidate" anywhere in their sights when they thought this whole thing up. Personally, I want a good candidate that represents MY ideals regardless of affiliation. I also don't see the brave men and women who fought and died for that right expected we would us any aspect to vote for the person most likely to guide the train over a cliff. There's a lot of great men and women who went before us who did pretty brave things that I can't even contemplate in order for us to make this nation as great & successful as possible.
But... it's your vote.
That's noble, and unrealistic.
The law now allows unaffiliated voters to cast a ballot in the primary of his choosing. This was done, in my opinion, to be able to sabotage the other side's candidates.
By casting votes for the least likely to win in the general election, you guy looks much better.
This is all a moot point since Polis will win. He is the only candidate with name recognition, and he's gay which will sway many uninformed voters.
Why in the world would being gay sway an uninformed voter? Being gay isn't a policy or platform.
Why in the world would being gay sway an uninformed voter? Being gay isn't a policy or platform.
I've known some fairly conservative gay people, but in identity politics, they tend to line up with the Dems. Being gay is heroic and progressive, don'tcha know.
But that's a gay voter, as opposed to an uninformed voter.
All of the Repubs look good, and safely to vote for in the primary. The Dems all look terrible, and scary as hell, so don't vote for them.
Simple.
The real test comes next, to win the actual election. This is where everyone has to step up, and walk your precinct, talk to your neighbors, friends, coworkers, etc.
-John
Stapleton name has recently been associated with the kkk. (Old mayor of Denver) The neighborhood and school was looking for a name change.
Even though he is not kkk and has won statewide office, the uniformed voter may not vote for the "racist" associated name and vote for the gay candidate, because it's the "right" thing to do.
The Stapleton name is Denver, so if it is racist, we are racist. (And we're not.)
-John
There is probably a lot of truth to that in that specific context. I spend a decent amount of time outside of this echo chamber, and besides hard core activist people, I've never met anyone that would vote for a gay candidate, with their homosexuality being the main issue, just because it was the right thing to do. I've never actually heard anyone that was activist enough to have homosexuality be their single issue, but I'm sure they're out there, and I can think of at least one person I've encountered in life that would probably fit that bill.
Personally I do know a lot of Homosexual single issue voters, Irving. They are out there. This is what they identify themselves with, and this is how they vote.
I guess what you are saying is you have never met someone that voted for a homosexual for being homosexual, but they exist.
-John
Aloha_Shooter
06-09-2018, 23:00
I also voted against the change but it allows me to do triage on whichever party I want. The larger problem IMO is, does triage in this case mean voting for some looneybin nutcase despite the possibility s/he might get in? There isn't any "moderate" choice when it comes to the Democrats, just Left and Lefter, and they're all unprincipled scum. On the Republican side, the "safe" choice is often anathema to returning this country to its roots and reclaimed past greatness.
Oh I'm sure they do exist (I was saying I've met people that I would put into that box, but don't know for sure). Single issue voting is kind of silly, no matter what the single issue is.
But again, a niche single issue voter, is still different than just a plain, run of the mill, uninformed voter.
Yes, right, I'm sorry. A plain unaffiliated voter has no reason to vote for a pro-homosexual Governor. You are right about that. They would be less likely to vote for a homosexual governor.
-John
The Stapleton name is Denver, so if it is racist, we are racist. (And we're not.)
-John
https://www.cpr.org/news/story/a-stapleton-middle-school-tackles-the-kkk-connection-in-their-name
Dont think that the school admin wouldn't have the name change debate around the time of the election if Stapleton is the R nominee. What better way to "endorse" polis without endorsing him by having the Stapleton name trashed and associated with the Klan. And the denver metro media will play along. Metro Denver controls this state, even more after the 2020 census.
Am I wrong in seeing it this way?
https://www.cpr.org/news/story/a-stapleton-middle-school-tackles-the-kkk-connection-in-their-name
Dont think that the school admin wouldn't have the name change debate around the time of the election if Stapleton is the R nominee. What better way to "endorse" polis without endorsing him by having the Stapleton name trashed and associated with the Klan. And the denver metro media will play along. Metro Denver controls this state, even more after the 2020 census.
Am I wrong in seeing it this way?
Its a valid concern
This question was just asked and covered in a thread yesterday. Let's not ask this same question in 27 different threads and have fragmented conversations all over the forum.
While I get the idea of sabotage, I don't want to risk some looney tunes leftist getting on the ballot and then voted in due to toeing the party line.
As such, I'm going to be voting for the most hardcore conservatives on the R ballot since I have yet to make the full, official leap to the Constitution Party.
I've seen poll results where some voters think "socialism" is good because they think it's related to social media. So I wouldn't put it past some to get hung up on the name "Stapleton".
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Great-Kazoo
06-10-2018, 10:46
This question was just asked and covered in a thread yesterday. Let's not ask this same question in 27 different threads and have fragmented conversations all over the forum.
No Shit
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/169053-New-primary-system?p=2146651#post2146651
At least the mayor is in jail for killing an uber passenger
If the voting system is so broken that anyone would even contemplate voting for someone they don't want, just to try and bring strife to someone else, then that person just shouldn't vote at all.
Thanks to the mods for consolidating threads and moving back to Legislation & Politics forum.
Vic Tory
06-12-2018, 20:30
I can't believe I'm going to promote a Libertarian idea, but....
Approval Voting (Ranked voting) is a better system, IMO. You can vote for 3 candidates, regardless of party. It dulls the influence of big donors and PACs.
Therefore, it will never fly in Colorado....
I can't believe I'm going to promote a Libertarian idea, but....
Approval Voting (Ranked voting) is a better system, IMO. You can vote for 3 candidates, regardless of party. It dulls the influence of big donors and PACs.
Therefore, it will never fly in Colorado....
AKA Instant-Runoff. Yes, best option IMHO.
RblDiver
06-13-2018, 12:56
Approval Voting (Ranked voting) is a better system, IMO. You can vote for 3 candidates, regardless of party. It dulls the influence of big donors and PACs.
Disagree. It'll just make things bad.
Example: Say you have three candidates, a Republican with 45% approval, a Dem with 35% approval, and a Socialist with 20% approval. In a regular election (non-runoff), if everyone voted their preferred party, the Republican would win. If the Dem wanted to win, they would have to reach out to the Socialists (and, to a lesser extent, the Republicans) and provide reasons why they deserve their vote.
Now go to the instant runoff version. The Dem doesn't have to do any outreach, because they can be comfortable knowing that, unless they REALLY pissed off the base, they're going to win with a handy margin after the Socialist is eliminated and the vast majority of their votes transfers to the Dem. What incentive do they have to do outreach, either to the Socialist or to other Republicans, in order to win?
Also, what happens if I only like one candidate, and the rest are terrible? If I don't put a number for everybody, under Maine's new laws my vote is marked as invalid, but if I do, now you're compelling speech to prevent disenfranchisement. If, instead of doing like Maine and forcing you to put a number, now they allow you to only mark as many as you'd like, if my candidate is eliminated now my vote is no longer in the running, a different kind of disenfranchisement.
I'm sorry, but I believe in one man, one vote, not one man, one vote that changes depending on other people's votes.
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