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Colorado to adopt California's stricter car pollution rules
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/colorado-to-adopt-california-s-stricter-car-pollution-rules
Democratic Gov. John Hickenlooper told state regulators begin writing rules that incorporate California's low-emission vehicle standards, with a goal of putting them in place by the end of the year.
Hickenlooper said strict emissions standards are important to Colorado, citing climate change and noting the state's elevation makes pollution worse.
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The states that currently apply California's rules are Connecticut, Delaware, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington.
"Colorado is recognizing along with other states that the federal rollback is both unjustified and harmful, so the governor is joining others in protecting his state's citizens," Tonachel said.
Well that puts us in good company. Guess Hick's girl lost and he's mad.
Yes, I'm pissed about the usurp but gives us a good example of what Dems do to CO, making us CA. And driving up the cost of living.
Too bad they banned MTBE. Hick could pollute our groundwater in the quest for lower emissions...just like California.
WHY CALIFORNIA MANDATED POISON IN YOUR TANK (http://www.wnd.com/1997/07/3114/)
...and then the oil companies had to pay for the damage.
$423-million MTBE settlement is offered (http://articles.latimes.com/2008/may/08/local/me-mtbe08)
Politicians should be required to be educated in "Unintended Consequences" before taking office so that they can't claim ignorance when the axe falls.
BushMasterBoy
06-19-2018, 19:37
They oughta just legalize moonshining and run it all on ethanol. First Ford trucks were all designed to run on ethanol from sugar cane factory waste.
They oughta just legalize moonshining and run it all on ethanol. First Ford trucks were all designed to run on ethanol from sugar cane factory waste.
I really don't think it matters how much progress is made or what alternatives could do.
If cars ran on zero-emission unicorn farts, Dims would still need to solve a problem and find a way to drive up the cost of living. Cars = freedom.
And we can't seriously believe any Dim cares about the environment when they are bringing millions more into this country to replace Americans. More people, more pollution.
Madeinhb
06-19-2018, 20:12
"California low emissions"? I'm from SoCal and the smog and air quality is shit. Not sure what means by this whole low emissions shit.
beast556
06-19-2018, 20:25
"California low emissions"? I'm from SoCal and the smog and air quality is shit. Not sure what means by this whole low emissions shit.
More money and regulations they dont give a shit about pollution its all about $$$$
BPTactical
06-19-2018, 21:13
Gonna fuck this state in a progressive manner on his way out.
Fuck you Dickenpooper.
I have to get my truck tested every year for $45 to $75 a pop. And I am pissed about this to no end. And I don't want to have to buy a low power vehicle for thousands just to save pennies at the pump.
Gonna fuck this state in a progressive manner on his way out.
Fuck you Dickenpooper.
Pretty much sums up my feelings.
The front range has been going that direction for a few years. I quit going to the Boulder emissions station (45+min and an anal probe). Don't get my muffler guy started on the emissions BS.
Emissions is old and debunked given that emissions was set up to turn exhaust into CO2 mostly. When the current leftist boogie man is CO2 and its causing Climate Warming or Global Change or something stupid. Emissions needs to go away.
Some of those guys on bikes in spandex should be charge with a gross sex crime for showing off that much flab and frank and beans. Not you. But some.
Great-Kazoo
06-20-2018, 06:31
I have to get my truck tested every year for $45 to $75 a pop. And I am pissed about this to no end. And I don't want to have to buy a low power vehicle for thousands just to save pennies at the pump.
Just wait till CO enacts CA vehicle registration policies.
CA pays every year till you sell the vehicle, the same registration price as you paid when first registering it.
When the price of two or three tickets a year is cheaper than putting my vehicle on the road legally I’ll skip the e-tests and registration and just take my chances.
Great-Kazoo
06-20-2018, 07:47
Just wait till a liberals wet-dream of having ELD style equivalents in all cars comes true, sold in a pill to "fairly tax based on miles driven because it's unfair to spandex wearers". At that point, it'll be most economical to buy a bulldozer and armor it with concrete.
SMOGDOZER
Zundfolge
06-20-2018, 09:03
At that point, it'll be most economical to buy a bulldozer and armor it with concrete.
Foxtrot wins the internet!
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This feels like a f-u to rular Colorado, thou shall obay your betters....
Foxtrot what the hoing price for dozers.
Foxtrot what the hoing price for dozers.
That probably depends on the quality of the hoing.
They charge me for my vehicles weight. Its a normal pickup with a diesel engine but gets singled out as something worth extra costs. And they charge an extra $10 at the DMV for the engine type and just because they charged it twice and liked it so much they kept it there for 2 years now. A dozer is starting to sound like a good idea but do they make them with 4 doors? One might not be alone in there.
hickindooper just had to get one more SLAP to the Colo. residents on his way out. I'll be glad when he's gone but I'm nervous about who we might end up to replace him.
Thankfully I live in a county that doesn't require emissions testing, ......yet. Won't be long before that gets changed, I'm guessing.
BPTactical
06-20-2018, 13:45
hickindooper just had to get one more SLAP to the Colo. residents on his way out. I'll be glad when he's gone but I'm nervous about who we might end up to replace him.
Thankfully I live in a county that doesn't require emissions testing, ......yet. Won't be long before that gets changed, I'm guessing.
Pay attention to where Lickenpooper goes after he leaves here.
He was at the Bilderberg last month ya know.
Little Dutch
06-20-2018, 13:45
Anyone want to place wagers on whether or not my 1998 Ford F150 daily driver will pass emissions? What about my 1990 F150 work truck (in-line 6) that likes to runs rich?
Last year I sold my high-mileage vehicle for a low-mileage commuter truck. I have an acquaintance who got wrecked physically in a head-on collision, so decided to trade mileage for momentum.
Zundfolge
06-20-2018, 14:26
I wish this would go into effect before the election in November. That might help assure that the sodomite doesn't win.
I *might* be perusing Craigslist for a suitable dozer...
GeorgeandSugar
06-20-2018, 16:19
What do you expect? Liberal policies are utopian lunacy. Get out and vote in November. Fed-up with the crap. The magazine limit makes me mad as hell. Still fuming over this when it was passed.
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Is there evidence that California's smog laws have helped their air quality? I use to be into cars and always hated the California smog BS.
However, there are a lot of people moving here. If we're going to end up with tighter smog laws one way or the other anyway, I'd rather it happen before our own little smog cloud gets any worse.
newracer
06-20-2018, 18:33
It has been shown several times that the emissions laws on the Front Range do very little to effect the air quality along the Front Range.
Is it that the restrictions are misplaced (like so many other laws) or that they aren't restrictive enough?
I don't want to give the impression I want more restrictions, because I don't. At the same time, I'm not willing to write something off just because it is proposed by someone I don't agree with politically. So I'm open minded to ideas.
Let me guess, this is another one of those "fees" that won't be a tax according to some bought & paid for judges
BPTactical
06-20-2018, 18:53
It has been shown several times that the emissions laws on the Front Range do very little to effect the air quality along the Front Range.
Ayup.
When I worked for CDOT I was privy to air quality reports that were not made public. Motor vehicles actually have little impact on air quality.
Hell, the biggest changer of "the brown cloud" in the metro was CDOT gravitating away from conventional salt and sand, it created tremendous amounts of dust.
Let me guess, this is another one of those "fees" that won't be a tax according to some bought & paid for judges
No kidding!
Great-Kazoo
06-20-2018, 18:56
Is it that the restrictions are misplaced (like so many other laws) or that they aren't restrictive enough?
I don't want to give the impression I want more restrictions, because I don't. At the same time, I'm not willing to write something off just because it is proposed by someone I don't agree with politically. So I'm open minded to ideas.
It's about a contract scam between Air Cares and former .gov representatives, forced upon us by a sky's falling group.
As for CA transplants. Once the 2020 election cycle gets here. Don't be surprised if there's a ballot initiative calling for tighter than Hickenlooper proposed emission standards.
beast556
06-20-2018, 19:03
Saying emission regulations make the air cleaner is the same as saying gun controll makes the streets safer. Like I said before it is all about money plane and simple.
More regulations! yay!
[hahhah-no]
Before environment people talk carbon emissions, I would recommend them to at least check on their air filters, catalyic converters, not run unncessary idles, and plan trips ahead. I bet even thsoe 1/2 ass effort from individuals will reduce significant Monoxide and Dioxide emissions.
Ask electrochemist to find out how much crazy toxic chemicals are inside those Tesla S/X/3s'.
Thanks for setting me straight. Less government is better, especially when it just costs money and doesn't accomplish anything.
Think it's safe to say that manufacturer regulations have reduced emissions far more than any consumer side restrictions?
Ayup.
When I worked for CDOT I was privy to air quality reports that were not made public. Motor vehicles actually have little impact on air quality.
Hell, the biggest changer of "the brown cloud" in the metro was CDOT gravitating away from conventional salt and sand, it created tremendous amounts of dust.
That's what I've heard as well. The sand is pulverized into silt and makes its way into the air.
The years we haven't had much snow are usually clearer than those years that do.
Thanks for setting me straight. Less government is better, especially when it just costs money and doesn't accomplish anything.
Think it's safe to say that manufacturer regulations have reduced emissions far more than any consumer side restrictions?
I welcome some regulations. I welcome some areas which government lacks of such as investments and asSholes who rip off their employees and go to yacht trip with con money.
As econ guys always say:
When Social Marginal Benefit is Equals to Social Marginal Cost.
Another one can be ease off of FDA and go after stupid generic pharmaceutical companies which charges $5 per colchicine pills or $400 for epipens. Oh yeah got should stop giving generic -opolies to some generic pharmaceuticals.
:)
That's what I've heard as well. The sand is pulverized into silt and makes its way into the air.
The years we haven't had much snow are usually clearer than those years that do.
Also doesn’t seem to be getting cleaned up in the spring any more. Used to have sweepers get a lot of it up in the 80s/90s. Now it stays in the medians to chip windshields all year long.
Just to keep with the small efficient vehicle theme, I am getting an armored, hardened, skid steer. Those full sized dozers are going to destroy the planet. [Smart]
I still see them cleaning, but not until May.
JohnnyDrama
06-20-2018, 21:22
I *might* be perusing Craigslist for a suitable dozer...
I saw a John Deere 850 at work last week that impressed me. It made less noise than the water truck while idling.
kidicarus13
06-20-2018, 22:11
Vroom75153
hurley842002
06-21-2018, 14:50
This is what CA emissions has done for them:https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180621/cb73af31266980835f1a3c0f98d2cf61.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180621/d5d2562f0c3b649ce4f97017bf778e60.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180621/a29e06698e776c8b52546ac89945ba6d.jpg
On our way down from Lake Arrowhead, approximately 5,000 ft above sea level, there is a city down there somewhere. I suppose the argument could be made, that if not for the strict emissions standards, it would be worse, but I'm not convinced.
Zundfolge
06-21-2018, 15:32
So does this just apply to brand new cars?
Aloha_Shooter
06-21-2018, 16:18
All the more reason to make a classic car or truck my next purchase. Cheap registration and a good argument against incorporating shit you don't want.
On our way down from Lake Arrowhead, approximately 5,000 ft above sea level, there is a city down there somewhere. I suppose the argument could be made, that if not for the strict emissions standards, it would be worse, but I'm not convinced.
This is pretty much my question, and since I don't really know much about auto emissions and what actually causes "smog," I'm not in a position to make a judgement one way or the other.
I would have to think that a large portion of the brown cloud here is simply dirt blowing off the mountains. I can dust my house and leave the windows open for a day and have to start all over again the next day.
Great-Kazoo
06-21-2018, 18:37
This is pretty much my question, and since I don't really know much about auto emissions and what actually causes "smog," I'm not in a position to make a judgement one way or the other.
They use to be called Temperature Inversions and The Brown Cloud, before it was not PC to say anything but GLOBAL WARMING, CARBON FOOTPRINTS!
Depending where you are along the CO/Wyo/ NE border it's visible if you're looking for it.
I'm not for heavy emissions regulation. I always have a car or two with collectors plates. However, you'll are being dishonest if you think modern cars don't help the air. If I'm on the road and a classic or 1981 F150 is in front of me it STINKS. And please think back to a covered parking structures, with your eyes burning. I like advancements. I hate the regulations that stop you from hot rodding your own property. Some cars actually have cleaner exhaust than the air they take in. That is awesome and I like that. But let the market drive it.
I grew up in SoCal prior to any emissions requirements...and it was painful. I do know today that I can smell raw gas coming out of a classic when I'm behind them in traffic. Imagine when every vehicle out there was doing the same? Modern vehicles are very clean. CO2 is plant food and required for life on this planet.
The LA Basin is almost impossible to keep clear, as the prevailing winds just stack everything up against the mountains.
I personally believe that all of this global warming/climate change hoopla is simply to give people something to be afraid of. Governments love that.
Zundfolge
06-21-2018, 20:11
I'm not for heavy emissions regulation. I always have a car or two with collectors plates. However, you'll are being dishonest if you think modern cars don't help the air. If I'm on the road and a classic or 1981 F150 is in front of me it STINKS. And please think back to a covered parking structures, with your eyes burning. I like advancements. I hate the regulations that stop you from hot rodding your own property. Some cars actually have cleaner exhaust than the air they take in. That is awesome and I like that. But let the market drive it.
I can see that, but there's a point of diminishing returns. You could probably make cars that only put out 1% of the current level of pollution, but cost over 100 grand to build.
Yes some pollution regulations are good, but we have plenty now. Making too many does nothing but make people suffer (and ultimately cause them to stick with older, worse polluting cars).
I personally believe that all of this global warming/climate change hoopla is simply to give people something to be afraid of. Governments love that.
Well that's probably part of it, but most of it is to give them an excuse to control energy use, and thus control everything (including our precious bodily fluids).
Great-Kazoo
06-21-2018, 20:58
If I'm on the road and a classic or 1981 F150 is in front of me it STINKS. .
If the fanatics hadn't forced the removal of lead from gas you'd never have that issue. Especially with an average of 90 octane ratings gas availability.
Butt Noooooooooooo The Lead's bad for you and the environmental cry babies fucked that joy ride up, but good.
Damn i miss those 97 high octane days. With that nice red colored Sunoco gas in my 62, 389 powered, bonny rag top .
Correction, it’s Dickinpooper!
They need to go after the gross polluters, those oil burners I get stuck behind at the light (and they're not classics).
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