View Full Version : Ft Hood shooting going on.
yeah i have been watching this too. crazy stuff. i wonder if this is a .mil attack, a few guys going awal, terrorist attacks or what.
hopefully more news comes and they catch everyone involved...dead or alive.
Okay 2 shooters in custody now. Unverified reports of shots fired at a soldier's residence.
The report I heard on NPR this morning was too early to be this one, so it was a different story where 7 people were also killed/injured.
Pistol Packing Preacher
11-05-2009, 15:38
Not good....
Okay, 12 dead, 31 injured. Shooter was shot and killed. 2 others have been arrested on suspicion with involvement. I'm getting this info from the news conference directly from Ft Hood. Terrible. Confirmed that it was a US Soldier.
yep just read that as well. soldier did the shooting. using handguns. possibly 2 other shooters.
12 dead 31 injured.
not good at all.
I just got home and found out about this not 10 minutes ago.
Gunman was Maj. Malik Nadal Hasa.
Any surprise there?
I am really pissed off right now.
Obama's inaction is emboldening our enemies.
What I think... is highly politically incorrect.
How long are we going to put up with this shit?
I was surprised to hear the name (that's a different issue) but I'm very interested to hear details on this as they are released.
Colorado Luckydog
11-05-2009, 17:12
Profiling is a necessary evil.
God bless the victims and their families. God bless all the good people in our military.
Bailey Guns
11-05-2009, 17:13
A Muslim shooter and the attacks were carried out precisely rather than randomly or chaotically in an obvious premeditated attack according to witnesses.
Can't offend Muslims by calling it a terror attack, though.
My daughter in law is a nurse in one of the hospitals at Ft Hood. She says it's very hectic and at least 6 shooting victims have been brought to her floor.
I guess it was right before a graduation was about to start. Bailey, can you get us more info? I'm anxious to hear if this was some kind of sleeper cell bs.
Bailey Guns
11-05-2009, 17:31
From what I'm hearing the shooter shot the victims up close and execution style. It wasn't like a random, psycho shooting. I've heard it described as obviously well-planned.
DIL says some victims she's had contact with are saying the same. Shooter made statements that he didn't want to be deployed.
That's really all I know other than what the news is reporting.
Maj Malik Nidal Hasan, 39 yoa, is the deceased shooter.
I've also heard conflicting reports that the two soldiers who were in custody have been released. I've also heard it's believed another suspect is at large but that's not confirmed.
Lt Gen Cone is having a news conference at 1630...right now.
Tune in for more info.
I'm a little upset that the clip they keep playing of Obama sounds like he is mad that his afternoon nap was interrupted or something, but it is more likely that he is just trying to figure out what is going on, and was choosing his words carefully since he keeps sounding stupid when he comments on hot topic news issues.
Bailey Guns
11-05-2009, 17:37
I saw Obama's remarks. I think he was obviously disturbed but I thought his remarks were appropriate given how early they were made in the investigation.
Fox is now saying Hasan was a psychiatrist recently reassigned to Ft Hood from Walter Reed.
Its a sad day for TX. The word is Hasan was an Army psychiatrist.
What is the world coming to.
Bailey Guns
11-05-2009, 17:39
Still waiting for news conference from Ft Hood.
Pancho Villa
11-05-2009, 19:40
http://www.facebook.com/people/Malik-Hassan-Malik/1008970609
Could be him, maybe not. But thought y'all might want to see.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Malik-Hassan-Malik/1008970609
Could be him, maybe not. But thought y'all might want to see.
doesn't look like the guy on the news.
now the news saying hasan is wounded, but alive.
I hope they fry him.
Bailey Guns
11-05-2009, 20:32
I was stunned when I heard the general say that!
Pancho Villa
11-05-2009, 20:41
I missed it, what did the General say?
Bailey Guns
11-05-2009, 20:45
Sorry...when he said the shooter was alive...not dead as has been reported all day. He's been in CID custody in the hospital since he was shot earlier today.
SA Friday
11-05-2009, 21:29
Wife called me while I was on campus to tell me this was going on. I called it as a single shooter right off the bat. The other's they detained (not arrested) were probably to ensure it was a single shooter incident. I highly doubt this is terrorist related. More than likely, his religious beliefs played into his psychological break, but as to how only the investigation can uncover.
Blaming the Islam faith for this incident is way premature. I suspect when it's all said and done, the shooter's religion (although a psychological factor for the shooter) is incidental to his actions. I saw something similar while in OSI when Buttons flew off in an A-10 with live munitions on it. He was disturbed, conflicted, and never overtly related his turmoil to anyone. He never asked for help. It boiled over into him flying the A-10 into the side of a mountain up in Eagle County.
We also saw this back in June 1994 at Fairchild AFB, WA when Dean Mellburg took an MAK-90 into the Psychologist wing of the hospital there and shot up the place. Dean was a severly disgruntled young man who was being discharged for psychological problems.
There have been a few incidents of Soldiers attacking other soldiers because of their Islamic beliefs, but this one doesn't fit those incident's MOs.
That's what I see so far. I've been wrong before, and the investigation will root this out. I just think it's way too early to bring in the shooter's religious beliefs at this point as the motivator for the shootings. At this point, it's just something the media can sell.
SA Friday
11-05-2009, 21:30
Sorry...when he said the shooter was alive...not dead as has been reported all day. He's been in CID custody in the hospital since he was shot earlier today.
Ya, I'm thinking pre-trial confinement is a foregone conclusion at this point...
robsterclaw
11-06-2009, 01:16
This kind of shit makes me sick. Seems he didn't like the fact he was going to be deployed. Why'd he join the Army then? Second, why don't these fuckers just shoot themselves? Make a public spectacle of it for all I care. Get in front of cameras some way and blow your damn head off. Don't take others out.
2 things though different about this shooting then others. He didn't use an assault weapon, and he was military. Don't see how the libs can use this for their agenda. Can't call for a ban. Can't say we need to take guns out of the hands of people like him. Gonna takes guns away from the military?
Something has always struck me as weird. When I'm on FT Carson, generally the only people I see with guns are guards checking ID's at the gate and the occasionally MP. But when I'm on Pete Field, they have people walking around with loaded M16's. And a girl at one of the FT Carson shoppettes told me they have to check their guns at the armory. She was going to join me (us) on one of the club shoots, and said she'd have to get her guns from the Armory first.
Bailey Guns
11-06-2009, 15:07
I just read that Hasan used an FN FiveSeven 5.7mm caliber pistol in the shootings. A pretty unusual choice, I'd think. The Army is also saying he was carrying another pistol but didn't fire it.
I know what these pistols are and I'm vaguely familiar with the caliber. Does anyone know if it will penetrate a vest? I think it probably would out of one of the FN carbines, but I don't know about being fired from a handgun.
First time I've heard of a 5.7 being used in a crime.
Very sad and disturbing but interesting, too.
That is interesting. I know that there is a lot of speculation online about if the 5.7 will penetrate a soft vest. I think a lot of people think that it can. If he shot 38 people, doesn't that mean that he had at least four mags, and probably more assuming that every shot fired didn't hit someone. Crazy.
Bailey Guns
11-06-2009, 15:38
I think standard capacity for that gun is 20 rounds per magazine. I haven't heard exactly how many magazines he had or how many rounds he fired.
I've heard there may have been some friendly fire issues. His use of a 5.7 should make that part of the investigation a lot easier. At least from a technical standpoint. I doubt anything about it will really be easy.
Bailey Guns
11-06-2009, 15:43
Here we go...the sensationalism starts re: the 5.7mm pistol he used. That didn't take long:
AP Sources: 5.7 mm pistol used in Fort Hood rampage was purchased legally at Texas gun store
DEVLIN BARRETT, LARA JAKES Associated Press Writers
3:28 PM CST, November 6, 2009
WASHINGTON (AP) — A 5.7-millimeter pistol used in the Fort Hood shooting was purchased legally by suspect Nidal Hasan at a Texas gun shop, law enforcement officials said Friday.
The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case.
Records indicate Hasan bought the FN 5.7 at store called "Guns Galore" in Killeen, Texas, well before the attack that left 13 people dead, one of the officials said. The pistol has been dubbed a "cop killer" by those who have tried to stop its use.
The most powerful type of ammunition for the gun is available only to law enforcement and military personnel. Gun control advocates call it a "cop killer" weapon because that ammo can pierce bulletproof vests, and its use by Mexican drug cartels worries police.
It is not clear what kind of ammunition was used in the Fort Hood attack. One official said the store records do not indicate Hasan purchased any ammo when he bought the gun.
Bailey Guns
11-06-2009, 15:44
My prediction: If you've ever wanted an FN 5.7, get it now.
Thanks for the correction on the mag thing, I knew that, but totally messed up what I was trying to say. I'm going to go look on http://www.theboxotruth.com/ to see if he's tested that caliber before.
The media is so dumb. You don't need a cop killer bullet to kill unarmed, unprotected people. Unfortunately, people will be too stupid to realize that.
Bailey Guns
11-06-2009, 16:51
Yeah...but then again, regular bullets just won't kill a cop. [Rant1]
GreenScoutII
11-06-2009, 16:59
How sick and cynical am I?
The first thing I think of anytime there is a mass shooting like this is: Fuck! I wonder how the anti gunners will use this as an excuse to ban something...
This was a horrible and tragic loss of human life, don't get me wrong. It is, however, irrelevent how these people were killed. It doesn't matter what weapon the psycho used. Even though none of the victims were wearing body armour (why would they be?), I'd almost bet my left nut the liberal whiney-bitch gun grabbers will be laying prosrate in the street crying for a ban on the so called "cop killer" pistols.
I honestly had no interest in owning the FN 5.7 untill now. Knowing they'll try to ban it makes me want to get one now though...
I looked into them, but they are over priced IMO. Maybe it's just because I can't afford $950 for a handgun.
GreenScoutII
11-06-2009, 17:07
OK. I can't resist....
I have a provocative question for you guys:
Do you think this shooting spree had anything to do with this guy being a Muslim?
Or, is this guy just a garden variety crazy?
Better yet, does membership in the former automatically imply membership in the latter group?
Just a couple of things I was thinking about....
I'm surprised (and pleased) that it took this long for this to be brought up on this website. I've read the posts that he supposedly posted on the internet, and I don't think he's crazy for saying what he said. Right now the news keeps reporting that people who knew him claim that he was combative about the two current wars and often disagreed with people who supported the wars. I haven't heard anything that has really made me think that he is some fundamentalist, but he certainly sounds like he has a different set of beliefs than I do.
Zundfolge
11-06-2009, 17:24
OK. I can't resist....
I have a provocative question for you guys:
Do you think this shooting spree had anything to do with this guy being a Muslim?
Pfft ... that's CRAZY talk ... Islam is the Religion of PEACE!
[NoEvil]
OK. I can't resist....
I have a provocative question for you guys:
Do you think this shooting spree had anything to do with this guy being a Muslim?
Or, is this guy just a garden variety crazy?
Better yet, does membership in the former automatically imply membership in the latter group?
Just a couple of things I was thinking about....
absolutely. he was conflicted about having to take a more active role in a war against his muslim bros.
ryanek9freak
11-06-2009, 18:11
This is BULLSHIT. I totally dissagree that his religion didn't come into play as a reason for all of this. When the hell is this country going to wake the fuck up and start looking at Islam in the same light as being a KKK member? We are a nation of religious tolerance, but why should we be tolerant of an intolerant religious ideology, who's main objective is to want dead all of us westerners just because of who we are and how we live our day to day lives?!
To hell with all of the camel jockey rag head SOB's. I say we start rounding them up in concentration camps just like we did with the japanese in WWII. It's time to put the shoe on the other foot and stop worrying about what's politically correct, only to ignore our own saftey.
THese people want us DEAD! Do you get that? ANd this guy was an AMerican citizen!!
On a side note, isn't it a little ironic that a pshyciatrist who is trained to prevent such tradgedies, is the one who caused it?
My prediction: If you've ever wanted an FN 5.7, get it now.
+1
Just another Bullshit terrosist that was let in because We have to be non profileing SOB's..
face it they all hate us and they will be your friend as long as they can get more peeps to fall for their shit and then try to kill as many as they can before they pull the plug on themselves so they can go get their reward.
And tonite the stupid media was going for the HE BOUGHT THE GUN LEGALLY, and blah blah it could hold up too 20 rounds with a after market magazine. Where do these things come from blah blah....
GreenScoutII
11-06-2009, 19:01
[quote=ryanek9freak;140639]This is BULLSHIT. I totally dissagree that his religion didn't come into play as a reason for all of this. When the hell is this country going to wake the fuck up and start looking at Islam in the same light as being a KKK member? We are a nation of religious tolerance, but why should we be tolerant of an intolerant religious ideology, who's main objective is to want dead all of us westerners just because of who we are and how we live our day to day lives?!
To hell with all of the camel jockey rag head SOB's. I say we start rounding them up in concentration camps just like we did with the japanese in WWII. It's time to put the shoe on the other foot and stop worrying about what's politically correct, only to ignore our own saftey.
THese people want us DEAD! Do you get that? ANd this guy was an AMerican citizen!!
Yep. +1
I have observed that in modern times people who belong to vastly different religions are able to live peacefully, side by side, for the most part. With the exception of Islam, that is...
Think about it..
When was the last time a fundamentalist Bhuddist group beheaded a journalist?
What about the last time the Mormons hijacked an airliner?
How about the radical Baptist who killed his daughter for being too "western"?
Oh yes, lets not forget the extremist Jews who came over here on student visas and then crashed airplanes into the WTC..
Oh wait, these atrocities weren't comitted by Bhuddists, Mormons, Baptists, or Jews. They were committed by Muslims!
These people hate us. They hate everything we stand for. Our core values are diametrically opposed to the core tennets of their religion. Islam is not now and never will be content to exist peacefully among the rest of us.
We're too damn concerned about being politically correct and not hurting anyone's feelings to openly and honestly confront this situation..
I'm tired of being told Islam is a religion of peace. I call Bullshit!!!
Maybe I'm just a blue collar Joe, but I call it how I see it....
SA Friday
11-06-2009, 19:57
[Bang]
What the hell do you guys know about the Islamic religion? Obviously nothing.
Seriously, do you just spew stupid hate all the time or is today a special occasion?
How about the dozen Muslims I spent time with in the middle east fighting NEXT to? Men and women that I would have died for and would have willingly died for me?
You go and try to round them up for concentration camps. I'll be there.
While you're ponder that, start looking up all those non-violent religions you are all talking about. Start looking for how many times someone from them killed in the name of their religion. NONE of the ones you mentioned are untainted. Not one. I find it also ironic that you left Christiananity out of your list... Christians practically committed genocide in the middle east, in god's name non the less, a little over a thousand years ago.
Short of new evidence showing he was affiliated with and conspiring with a terrorist organization, there is no evidence that this shooting was nothing more than mentally ill man who happened to be a Muslim. Even if it's proven he committed these murders based on terrorist motives, it doesn't reflect one iota on all Muslims. After all, I don't hold it against the rest of the members of this blog site that a few of the members advocate committing the systematic enprisonment of an entire sect of US citizens.
ryanek9freak
11-06-2009, 20:06
Says the man who has no dead loved ones from a crazy shooter at Ft. Hood. Poster above me is 100% correct. Oh and FYI, because this is the great United States of America, I have the right to be intolerant of a secular group of people who hate western values. I'm just giving them back what they project. I don't trust them and never will.
Christians have killed more in the name of religion,, but muslims are now the new Christians.
Christians have killed more in the name of religion,, but muslims are now the new Christians.
really? christians in the dark ages were nothing to be happy about, but don't paint the muslims of the same era to be peace loving people who didn't want to fight. they killed just as many. both were at fault.
Religion is a vessel. I suppose none of you guys will ever trust an FN firearm again because it killed people?
No one is asking anyone to tolerate criminals and terrorists, but people's beliefs are not black and white.
With that said, if there was ever a case of "if you don't like it here, move some where else" this is it. I'm not talking about you guys raging over Islam, I'm talking about people who hold beliefs that can never simultaneously exist with the main stream beliefs in this country.
Bailey Guns
11-06-2009, 22:38
Personally, I think one of two scenarios occurred here:
1) Hasan was just a mentally unstable whack-job that snapped. The religious utterings are simply a side-note.
2) His twisted concept of his faith coupled with his fear of going to a war zone where his fellow soldiers were engaged against others of his faith, compelled him to do this. If that's considered terrorism, so be it. At this point I'm skeptical his actions were part of some broader, al-Queda type terrorist act. I think he most likely acted alone, again based on his twisted concept of Islam.
I certainly don't condemn the entire faith because of his actions or the actions of other radicals who have hijacked Islam.
That's no different than saying all Blacks are bad because many of them belong to gangs and subscribe to the gang mentality. Or Hispanics. Or White people.
Muslims account for about 22% to 24% (about 1.6 billion people) of the world's population. If they were all terrorists, and if they all wanted us dead, we'd have a real problem.
SA Friday
11-06-2009, 23:11
Personally, I think one of two scenarios occurred here:
1) Hasan was just a mentally unstable whack-job that snapped. The religious utterings are simply a side-note.
2) His twisted concept of his faith coupled with his fear of going to a war zone where his fellow soldiers were engaged against others of his faith, compelled him to do this. If that's considered terrorism, so be it. At this point I'm skeptical his actions were part of some broader, al-Queda type terrorist act. I think he most likely acted alone, again based on his twisted concept of Islam.
I certainly don't condemn the entire faith because of his actions or the actions of other radicals who have hijacked Islam.
That's no different than saying all Blacks are bad because many of them belong to gangs and subscribe to the gang mentality. Or Hispanics. Or White people.
Muslims account for about 22% to 24% (about 1.6 billion people) of the world's population. If they were all terrorists, and if they all wanted us dead, we'd have a real problem.
Good post.
A possible third scenario would be a combination of one and two.
I posted this previously, but we've seen this problem in the military before. Buttons, conflicted between his job/duty as an A-10 pilot and his Mormon faith flew his plane into the side of a mountain in Eagle County, CO. No warning signs, never even hinted to those close to him the inner conflict was at the point of homocide/suicide.
These are not faith based crimes. These are crimes committed by those with inner turmoil drastic enough to cause a mental break.
GreenScoutII
11-06-2009, 23:17
Ok. I admit I said some inflamatory things.
I would never advocate putting anyone in a concentration camp. I wasn't the guy who said that anyway.
I guess I just got a little fired up.. Sorry about that guys, this isn't the best place for a guy to run his mouth or keyboard without thinking..
watching Fox news now about this. still lots of speculation, but it seems as if this guy was picked on a ton about his religion, loving allah etc. had his car keyed, his little "love allah'' bumper sticker removed....little things.
the catch is, this guy was a psychiatrist who was helping our soldiers...yet he would consistently ARGUE with them about the war. this is not help.
I don't know if this guy was intentionally infiltrating the .mil and was able to slip by due to his background/name/religion...whatever you want to input there. Possibly over time he was just sick of people picking on him for his thoughts/beliefs/religion etc.
6 months ago, he was targeted by the feds for terrorist talks/writings on forums.
He was set to be deployed, probably would be targeted by other islamic people for his name/background/religion and more than likely killed ahead of time being viewed as a trader of islam.
He was yelling "god is great" during the shootings.
My take/opinion: the guy was stressed about being deployed (that is what he signed up for so i have no sympathy), he was a life long muslim so he values those beliefs, got tired of other soldiers picking on him/attacking him for those beliefs.
He finally decided he was not going to fight the americans war on terror/islam/whatever you like to call it, and he decided he was going to take out as many as possible.
The army paid for everything for this guy. He should have been pulled out/detained long before this ever happened. the feds need to start cracking down waaay soon for associating with terrorists.
for all I know the feds may have been going after the guy and then Obama stepped in and called it off. that is why you see Obama protecting this situtation so closely. Obama even said "don't be quick to come to conclusions". that tells me right there something is deeper than whats on the surface.
Either way, i don't blame all of islam for this, and don't want to see them all rounded up and put in concentration camps. We are not in a hitler society to commit genocide. If we were, we would pull all of our troops, drop some nukes and level all of the middle east.
On the other hand, I see these deep roots in islam, that seem to be unwaivering, no matter what position is held, what the background is. Devoute followers of islam appear to go back to their roots, their upbringings, what they know and will act upon it.
I know there are guys on here who fought in iraq/afghanistan and there are people there and here who want whats better, do not like the hate projected toward the west, are sick of the fighting etc. etc. there is always the exception. even with gun owners, we see it all the time here. Imagine if every time a shooting occured the dems wanted to round up all the gun owners and put them in camps because we are all the same. probably wouldn't fly?
It took time but this guy finally conjured up the cojones and acted upon his hate for all the soldiers that picked on him, told him he was a terrorist, told him the war was against people just like him etc. etc.
I have no sympathy for the guy, they are keeping the guy alive to try to get info out of him, after that they need to pull the plug, and hopefully he will suffer.
I pray for the families of our true fallen heros.
fuck obama. fuck reid. fuck pelosi
This really makes me sad.
The Orlando shooting and Ft Hood shooting.
This just makes liberals to use it against the 2A supporters.
Ye shall know them by their fruits.
If the beliefs of extremists that kill people were really so far out of line with islam, the billon or so "peaceful" muslims would be doing a hell of a lot more to stamp it out.
at best the extremists get quiet disdain from the rest.
this guy at Ft. Hood didn't do a hell of a lot to make americans more tolerant and trusting of mulims. neither did the scumbag that ran over his daughter. nor the people I saw on the news, dancing in the street in egypt, gaza and syria on 9/12/01.
backwards people with backwards culture.
if the saudis hadn't won the millennial lotto by living on one of the richest deposits of oil on the planet, they'd still be herding camels in the desert.
the fact is muslim beliefs and middle eastern culture are not compatible with ours, because they are literally centuries behind us.
when you hear them bitch about the west, they always end up going back to the crusades. events that happened hundreds of years ago.
they call us pigdogs and cowards. they're really just jealous because they are lousy fighters, that meet defeat on the regular at the hands of israel, and the U.S.
while the renaisannce was happening in euorpe, they were still living in tents, lying and bribing to get a bigger piece of the dirt pie.
I have no respect for them, their religion, or the bare hand wiping hajji fucksticks that want us dead.
I'm all for making the entire muslim world our ally in the war on global terror by announcing our intention to nuke mecca if there is ever another terror attack carried out by muslim extremists, anywhere.
maybe that will light a fire under them to be more proactive in controlling people who's desire to kill is supposedly so far outside the tenets of islam.
like I said ..... by their fruits.
Bailey Guns
11-07-2009, 08:58
The immediate trend in the press is to focus on the victim mentality...as usual. It didn't take them long to paint Hasan as a victim. Personally, I don't see him as a victim in any sense of the word.
Here's a very interesting article about this whole "victim" thing:
http://www.gunnewsdaily.com/index.php/contributor-commentaries/184-hasan-v-cook-a-contrast-in-political-correctness
Yep...political correctness is killing us. Literally.
ryanek9freak
11-07-2009, 11:24
Nuke Mecca. ROTF!!
wow I sure killed this one, didn't I?
Someone on some other board posted this up with the thread title as "Islamic Extremist goes on killing spree."
I told him that there was a lot of speculation, but nothing substantial to show that he was waging a holly war against the US.
He responded by pointing out that victims heard him saying "Allahu Akbar" while he was shooting people. A quick web search showed me that the saying is similar to say "God" in times of high excitement or stress, etc. I told him if him saying, "oh god" a bunch of times while he's going on a crime spree makes him an extremist, then every time I say Jesus Christ when I stub my toe, I must be an extremist as well.
It's just irritating that people paint things like this so black and white.
I'm disappointed that we haven't seen a list of the victims names at all yet. They are the important ones here. I'll go look for a list and post it up here if I find anything.
Here is a list:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/06/fort-hood-victims-names_n_348250.html
Also, I found it pretty irritating that people would point out what he said about suicide bombers, while simultaneously posting stuff about November 5th and Guy Fawkes.
MichiganMilitia
11-09-2009, 17:15
Sturtle... where to start?
Clearly you ARE a toe-stubbing extremest! [LOL]
This is my first comment about this event and the one thing that I would like to express is that instead of Nuking Mecca, I would like to "Nuke" political correctness. Political correctness is no different than lying. The act of being politically correct is just as dishonest as lying itself and I have no toleration for either.
[Rant1]
I couldn't agree more with the statement about "political correctness" just being a fancy term for lying.
Why do people have to go to the extremes of either side though? It's like people are either being "politically correct", or acting like Sniper7 and directly blaming Obama for this event. Give me a break.
GunTroll
11-09-2009, 19:30
Here is a list:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/06/fort-hood-victims-names_n_348250.html
Also, I found it pretty irritating that people would point out what he said about suicide bombers, while simultaneously posting stuff about November 5th and Guy Fawkes.
The huffington post? Checking out the dark side are you?
I just googled for the list and that was the first one I found.
GoldFinger
11-09-2009, 21:01
Huffington Post. Evil, they are. - Yoda 1984
I couldn't agree more with the statement about "political correctness" just being a fancy term for lying.
Why do people have to go to the extremes of either side though? It's like people are either being "politically correct", or acting like Sniper7 and directly blaming Obama for this event. Give me a break.
where did I blame obama for this incident?
I blame the army, I blame the feds for not doing something. I mentioned obama could have put his hand down and said to be "politically correct" and not target muslims in the military.
Now you see the direct result of the political correctness.
I think it is time for you to question the world around you a bit more.
Why is it all the libtards could blame Bush for everything yet you defend obama when he is blamed for something?
are you drinking the obama coolaid?[Pepsi]
for all I know the feds may have been going after the guy and then Obama stepped in and called it off. that is why you see Obama protecting this situtation so closely. Obama even said "don't be quick to come to conclusions". that tells me right there something is deeper than whats on the surface.
Maybe you should clarify then, because this sounds an awful lot like you're suggesting that Obama could have influenced this event.
Maybe you should clarify then, because this sounds an awful lot like you're suggesting that Obama could have influenced this event.
how do YOU KNOW that he didn't? how do you know that one of his aides who follow his same policies said: "we don't want the publicity to pull an open muslim from the military and receive the backlash" how do you know obama himself didn't put out the word the leave the guy be since he would be deployed in no time? how do YOU know?
obviously somebody had to step in and tell the feds no. if there wasn't some kind of intervention, the feds would have been all over this guy for making threats, communicating with terrorists, making terrorist comments etc. etc.
and when Obama says don't be so quick to come to conclusions...I get a feeling there is something deeper. Look at all the evidence now against the guy.
don't be afraid to say that something is a little fucked up with this situation and this guy should have been questioned, had all of his computers and files gone through and pulled out of the position of power he was in. we are supposed to have national security but we have terrorists that infiltrate our own military. something is wrong with that.
SA Friday
11-10-2009, 11:20
There are virtually hundreds of definitions of terrorism and terrorist. There are so many that to be able to define the actions of a single person as terrorism is a very sticky proposal. This isn't political correctness, this is prudence. Over reacting to the actions of a lone shooter's motives could lead to the wrongful persecution of thousands of loyal US citizens in our military ranks. The backlash from this would be infinately worse than the lone gunman's actions, and seed the beginning of further actions within out boarders.
Hasan's actions do meet the definition of Islamic Radicalism and there is tons of evidence he was influenced by and preparing to act upon these beliefs, but there is little to no current evidence he was acting as a part of an organized cell. Without that evidence, it is very difficult to categorize his acts as terrorism.
Hindsight has shown there were lots of indicators Hasan was going to act violently in one way or another before the shootings. There were multiple failings to identify him as a potential threat, and the Army's CI and CID Agents are going to have to figure out why they failed to identify Hasan as a military member turning to Radical Islam beliefs. They are going to have to learn from this tragedy. Unfortunately, this is the nature of counterintelligence and counterterrorism, you only hear about the failures and very rarely see the successes. Success in countering threats results in nothing happening. It's hard to prove success, because nothing happened.
Be very careful cruxifying anyone but Hasan for these acts. Nothing you say or do can be worse than the flagellation the Agents are going through right now or the fear other loyal military Muslims are going through right now.
Do you really think that the Feds require that much hand holding? They just reported today that the Feds looked into this guy almost one year ago and decided that they didn't think he was a threat.
Do you honestly think that the FBI sits around waiting for Obama to tell them how to do their job? Obama never has any idea what is going on with anything, I would be surprised and eat my humble pie if he had ever heard this guys name before he shot people.
GreenScoutII
11-10-2009, 12:37
Be very careful cruxifying anyone but Hasan for these acts. Nothing you say or do can be worse than the flagellation the Agents are going through right now or the fear other loyal military Muslims are going through right now.
First, I would like to apologise for the inflamatory bullshit I posted the other day when I stated essentially that Islam is synomous with terrorism.
I understand that there are many, many decent patriotic muslims serving our country and living peacefully here in the US.
I was pissed off and angry because a close friend of mine is currently stationed at Ft. Hood awaiting deployment yet again. Thank God, he was not among the injured or killed.
My being angry is not an excuse for blaming all Muslims for the acts of a very small percentage of extremists who do not represent Islam as a whole.
To anyone who I may have offended with my statements the other day, I sincerely apologise...
So right now, they are having Obama read stuff about the soldiers. I don't like how it is sounding, but I can't blame Obama for it. It is just like when you go to any other funeral, and the priest or who ever has like 2 days to sit down with the family and listen to stories.
I can't offer up a better solution, but I always find it irritating when some stranger who is a good speaker, says a bunch of hastily prepared remarks about the passing of someone they never even met.
when some stranger who is a good speaker, says a bunch of hastily prepared remarks about the passing of someone they never even met.
He is not some stranger. He is their Commander in Chief and President of the United States.
He is not some stranger. He is their Commander in Chief and President of the United States.
precisely. it just shows how ill prepared he is for anything to do with the military. I think one requirement to be the POTUS is military service. That at least shows you are willing to die for your country.
on top of that legitimate proof of US citizenship is another.
and lastly I would love to see a single term limit of 6 years. a year from now ads will start popping up on the TV telling us why we should vote for obama again. he will waste time and energy fighting off a replacement when he should be working to fix the problems of the country.
and lastly I would love to see a single term limit of 6 years. a year from now ads will start popping up on the TV telling us why we should vote for obama again. he will waste time and energy fighting off a replacement when he should be working to fix the problems of the country.
Interesting. I'll think about this tonight at home. Knee jerk reaction is that this idea has some merit.
Interesting. I'll think about this tonight at home. Knee jerk reaction is that this idea has some merit.
I have been thinking/preaching this for a long time. I also want to see senators/congressman term limited as well. that will bring some "change"
You know what irritates me about this whole Ft. Hood thing? How they keep referring to this guy as the suspect. What the hell? Just because someone hasn't been to court yet, doesn't mean they didn't do it.
Obama was "advised" to go to Ft Hood to show his respect....
ryanek9freak
11-10-2009, 19:58
It seems like in the years leading up
> to whatever it was that happened
> at Fort Hood on November 5, Maj.
> Nidal Malik Hasan was one busy guy.
>
> He made it a point to attend a mosque
> run by a notorious, high profile imam
> with an overly anti-American philosophy.
>
> He encouraged soldiers to desert.
>
> He was loud and outspoken about his
> opposition to the war.
>
> We're not some obscure immigrant
> just off the boat working at a gas
> station in Bayonne. NJ.
>
> This was a freakin' major in the US army...
> in wartime...who was given the job of providing
> psychological counseling to troops.
>
> Did the Army have a problem with any this?
>
> No, not at all.
>
> The Army is a liberal institution in the
> best sense of that word and encourages
> a wide diversity of opinion on its policies.
>
> Live and let live. Every man is
> entitled to his own opinion, right?
>
> Any readers ever been in the armed forces?
>
> How long do you think you'd have lasted
> if you carried on this way?
>
> For example, can you imagine a Marine
> walking around base, spouting Marxism
> and quoting Lenin at the height of the
> Cold War being given a top security
> clearance? Ridicu...
>
> Ooops. I just described Lee Harvey
> Oswald.
>
> (Pay no attention to the foot high
> stacks of documents the CIA *still*
> refuses to release about him.)
>
> But hey, that's all "conspiracy" stuff
> and that's for kooks.
>
> The US military has better things to
> do while it protects the country than
> keep tabs on a very publicly unbalanced
> officer who is very publicly against the war.
>
> ...On the other hand, if you're a *civilian*
> and not some nut in the making and
> you're interested in peace, watch out.
>
> The resources for keeping track of you
> are boundless.
>
> Video:
>
> http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/353.html
GunTroll
11-10-2009, 21:36
I think its time for the peaceful and tolerant Muslims to prove they are the majority and root out the extremest jihadist and punish them middle eastern style. I know there out there! Who has more members? Tolerant or extreme?
Pancho Villa
11-11-2009, 08:27
precisely. it just shows how ill prepared he is for anything to do with the military. I think one requirement to be the POTUS is military service. That at least shows you are willing to die for your country.
on top of that legitimate proof of US citizenship is another.
and lastly I would love to see a single term limit of 6 years. a year from now ads will start popping up on the TV telling us why we should vote for obama again. he will waste time and energy fighting off a replacement when he should be working to fix the problems of the country.
To be honest, the last thing I want to see is Obama "working to fix the problems of the country." Please, please, let him get on the campaign trail tomorrow and not do another thing.
Totally agree. The term "do nothing" president is always mentioned in a bad light when it shouldn't be. A whole 4 year term without a bunch of new bullshit? Sign me up.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.2.3 Copyright © 2025 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved.