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Gman
07-30-2018, 17:07
U.S. states make last-minute legal bid to halt 3-D online guns (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-states-make-last-minute-legal-bid-to-halt-3-d-online-guns/ar-BBLheYX)


July 30 (Reuters) - Several U.S. states on Monday said they would jointly sue the Trump administration for allowing the public to download blueprints for 3-D printable guns in a last-ditch effort to block the designs from becoming available on Wednesday.

Washington State Attorney General Bob Ferguson said at a news conference in Seattle that the states will ask a federal judge to issue a restraining order and an injunction to block the publication of the designs, which they say would allow criminals easy access to weapons.

Along with Washington state, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, Oregon, Maryland and the District of Columbia are working on finalizing the lawsuit and plan on filing it later on Monday, Ferguson said.

At issue is a June settlement between the U.S. government and Texas-based Defense Distributed company that will allow it to legally publish gun blueprints online. Defense Distributed, which had challenged an earlier government ban as a violation of its First and Second Amendment rights, says on its website that it plans to release the plans by Aug. 1.

The administration of U.S. President Donald Trump failed to explain why it settled the case and allowed the publication of the blueprints, Ferguson said.

The U.S. State Department had previously banned the blueprints as a national security risk and a violation of arms trafficking regulations. As recently as April, the government in court filings argued downloadable guns would allow extremist groups and criminals abroad unfettered access to arms.

The State Department and Justice Department, which represented the government in the case, did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the announcement of the lawsuit.

"Our Congress has carefully crafted laws to protect us and, in one moment, without any consultation with experts, the administration undoes it," Washington state's Ferguson said.

The government failed to study the impact of its decision and did not consult with other agencies before settling, making its actions "arbitrary and capricious" in violation of federal law, Ferguson said. He said the settlement violated states' rights to regulate firearms.

Gun control groups on Friday failed to convince a federal judge to intervene before the designs were expected to go online. U.S. District Judge Robert Pitman in Austin, Texas found that the groups, including the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, lacked legal standing.

The National Shooting Sports Foundation, a trade association for gun manufacturers, says concerns over 3-D printable guns are overblown because criminals are unlikely to use the expensive technology to manufacture guns. (Reporting by Tina Bellon; editing by Grant McCool)

68Charger
07-30-2018, 17:20
Too much stupid to even respond to...

The files are already available, they're even being updated... just not from their server...
And it's not like they're assault weapons
[panic]

ETA: more like an ILLEGAL bid, since it was determined to be constitutionally protected.... but they want to stop him anyway.

Wish willfully violating the constitution hurt... a lot.

Eric P
07-30-2018, 21:17
No one show them a polymer 80 glock receiver. A pocket knife and <30 minutes of whittling is all it took to make a ghost gun more likely to be used in a crime than any printable AR.

But the thread about bolt receivers being firearms has me wondering if the ATF has been instructed to slowly regulate essential parts needed to finish a ghost reciever... hmmm...

Grant H.
07-30-2018, 21:31
No one show them a polymer 80 glock receiver. A pocket knife and <30 minutes of whittling is all it took to make a ghost gun more likely to be used in a crime than any printable AR.

But the thread about bolt receivers being firearms has me wondering if the ATF has been instructed to slowly regulate essential parts needed to finish a ghost reciever... hmmm...

They have completely stalled all forward movement of an new 80% items at this point. (SS80 being among them).

They are going to do their damndest to "stop this even loophole", even if it means breaking the law to do it.

Hence my interest in the DD settlement and it's ramifications for the .50 Upper thread.

Gman
08-01-2018, 23:15
Heard on the news this morning that a judge halted the publication of the designs. All kinds of handwringing about undetectable plastic guns being used in crimes, in airports, etc.

Eric P
08-02-2018, 03:08
Vice news had a report last night with a 3d print enthusiast and he printed the gun. The prints are out there, so this stopped nothing. Just made a few liberal DAs pound their chests...

Rucker61
08-02-2018, 05:42
These idiots act like the Internet stops as the US border. It's a data file, and if the laws can't stop the pedophiles and all of their traffic they aren't going to stop these files coming from overseas servers.

https://www.computerworld.com.au/article/644453/download-print-kill-rise-3d-printed-guns-australia/

68Charger
08-02-2018, 08:00
These idiots act like the Internet stops as the US border. It's a data file, and if the laws can't stop the pedophiles and all of their traffic they aren't going to stop these files coming from overseas servers.

https://www.computerworld.com.au/article/644453/download-print-kill-rise-3d-printed-guns-australia/

My take away from that article is that the real reason they're trying to fight this is it's really prolific if there's a all-out gun ban... they want to ban all guns, and they know this will be an issue if they get their wish.

cstone
08-02-2018, 14:23
Nothing creates more crime than more laws. Legislators are the greatest creators of criminals.

If most people died due to drowning, lawyers would outlaw liquids.

Someone really should show politicians a couple videos of Peshawar tribesmen making AKs out of scrap metal.

Irving
08-02-2018, 14:43
The higher percentage of college degrees we have as a country, the lower percentage of the population will be able to make things.













I'm being pretty facetious.

bczandm
08-02-2018, 14:48
I feel so much safer now.

Zundfolge
08-02-2018, 14:51
Banning the dissemination of 3D printed gun files is a pretext to go after what they really want which is any form of home made guns that aren't "registered" with the government.

https://slate.com/technology/2018/08/diy-guns-like-80-percent-lower-kits-are-a-bigger-threat-than-3d-printed-firearms.html

Great-Kazoo
08-02-2018, 17:12
Banning the dissemination of 3D printed gun files is a pretext to go after what they really want which is any form of home made guns that aren't "registered" with the government.

https://slate.com/technology/2018/08/diy-guns-like-80-percent-lower-kits-are-a-bigger-threat-than-3d-printed-firearms.html

Not sure why anyone would want to own / possess something a .gov entity was not aware of.




































































[ROFL2]

68Charger
08-02-2018, 17:12
Banning the dissemination of 3D printed gun files is a pretext to go after what they really want which is any form of home made guns that aren't "registered" with the government.

https://slate.com/technology/2018/08/diy-guns-like-80-percent-lower-kits-are-a-bigger-threat-than-3d-printed-firearms.html

Which is a pretext to going after ALL guns

Irving
08-02-2018, 17:13
I'm sure all the elected officials involved in this have never attempted to avoid taxes or hide funds before.

DDT951
08-02-2018, 22:02
Heard on the news this morning that a judge halted the publication of the designs. All kinds of handwringing about undetectable plastic guns being used in crimes, in airports, etc.

Or someone could just use a CAD program and model their own "firearms" and print them. Perfectly legal. Not talking about how well it would ultimately function, buy they can be modeled and printed.

Circuits
08-02-2018, 22:44
The higher percentage of college degrees we have as a country, the lower percentage of the population will be able to make things.













I'm being pretty facetious.

Well, yeah - those shithole countries are notably lacking in college degrees, and just swimming in flying cars and spaceships and infrastructure and shee-it.

Irving
08-02-2018, 22:47
They're too busy making a bunch of stuff to mess around with sci-fi.

Zundfolge
08-03-2018, 08:54
Which is a pretext to going after ALL guns

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/e9/4c/37/e94c37a656f33295e04a82464f789fd3.jpg

Rucker61
08-04-2018, 10:43
It's already illegal to make or possess guns or major gun components that don't show up on airport screening equipment. Idiots.

Irving
09-20-2018, 07:58
This guy is wanted for having sex with an under age girl supposedly. He flew to Thailand, got word, and hasn't come back.

Joe_K
09-20-2018, 09:04
This guy is wanted for having sex with an under age girl supposedly. He flew to [Taiwan FIFY] word, and hasn't come back.




“Don’t go slow, be careful” Jedi

Irving
09-20-2018, 11:40
Where ever. Didn't have article handy.

Great-Kazoo
09-20-2018, 11:55
Where ever. Didn't have article handy.

Who cares, as long as he's not nominated to SCOTUS.

Skip
09-20-2018, 12:37
Can you believe anyone is that stupid? I guess so, but wow.

ChadAmberg
09-21-2018, 15:53
Of course, the whole story on what happened helped.

16 year old girl decides to act older and advertise as a sex worker. Does so for apparently a while.

Dude books time with her, assuming she's of age.

She's found out later as being under age.

68Charger
09-21-2018, 19:48
Of course, the whole story on what happened helped.

16 year old girl decides to act older and advertise as a sex worker. Does so for apparently a while.

Dude books time with her, assuming she's of age.

She's found out later as being under age.

Agreed, but doesn't prevent morally corrupt Democrats from claiming it was a crime... even if said Democrats maybe paid said individual to target Mr. Wilson... I have no proof, but that doesn't matter when #MeToo is involved

Pound MeToo is based on an unconstitutuional asymmetrical defense... no presumption of innocence, no right to face your accusor.