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Joe Rogan had guys on that were a fantastic eye opener. I used to go back and forth with my concerns about CWD. This makes me much more concerned. They even talk about the scientist and wildlife pros being ignored because of politics (surprise). This is a good listen for folks that don't hunt too. About half the states have it and we even exported it to Asia. Worth a listen for sure.
http://podcasts.joerogan.net/podcasts/doug-duren-bryan-richards
Snowman78
08-09-2018, 21:56
I listen to that earlier today, holly shit it’s scary!
I've read that where wolves are at the top of the food chain, they do an effective job of culling the critters with CWD out of the herd. Apparently with CWD they make poor decisions fleeing from predators which make them easier to take down.
Articles like this: http://www.timberwolfinformation.org/researchers-say-wolves-could-help-curb-wasting-disease/
I thought about posting this in the hunting section earlier today. Unfortunately I listened while working so only half heard it.
I thought about posting it in hunting too. Truth is it effects non hunters too. And they touch on what a prion is. Lots of discussion on managed hunt farms too.
I haven’t listened yet but Any chance CWD is also linked to liberalism/socialism? I feel like they make extremely stupid mistakes but our society allows them to survive the wolves....
Well, probably not, but it certainly didn't help that the Park Service kept RMNP closed to hunting for a century, forcing high concentrations of deer and elk in tundra, aspen and lowland habitats. The NPS has presided over an ecological catastrophe in the park due to adherence to a preservation standard that wasn't founded in science and historic reality.
Well, probably not, but it certainly didn't help that the Park Service kept RMNP closed to hunting for a century, forcing high concentrations of deer and elk in tundra, aspen and lowland habitats. The NPS has presided over an ecological catastrophe in the park due to adherence to a preservation standard that wasn't founded in science and historic reality.
But muh paid hunters with night vision and thermals so they don't wig out the tourists with daytime kills! How will these individuals survive if they can't get PAID to hunt and area that most people would LOVE to hunt and pay to do so!?
As we harvest mule deer and elk this fall, where can we take the heads to be tested, even if not required?
Hunting is a public service, no one should be paying for tags. I'd be taking coyotes off my back deck if I could and posting pics on Nextdoor.
Maybe showing their safety card to make hand wringers feel okay about it is the only thing that should be necessary. Basic rules, gear, maybe high limits, etc... But the state should welcoming all hunters.
Well, they haven't really said anything new so far 1.5 hours in to it . The ultimate issue is whether or not it can be transmitted to humans via consumption. I would like to see if there have been any studies on the predator and scavenger community in high cwd areas and if there is any proof of transmission outside the deer family.
Zundfolge
08-10-2018, 10:30
This is one thing that annoys me about Rogan. He tends to nod along with whomever comes on his show. Back when he had Ted Nugent on, Ted basically had him convinced that CWD was a myth.
Being agreeable, to a point, helps lubricate conversion for sure. At least he's open about the way Nugent stated the problem and brought it up to give these guys the opportunity for a counter point.
I like it that Joe Rogan seems to be curious about learning many different things. He doesn't bring people onto the show to have a shouting match. He wants to know the what, where, when, how, & why...and you can come along for the ride. Or don't. I've found several of his videos very interesting and educational.
I'm not a fan of British comedian Russell Brand, but I have watched 2 of his YouTube interviews with Jordan Peterson that were very interesting and insightful. I love it when people of differing views can really have conversations without it becoming a shouting match.
Long form pod casting is replacing long form journalism and it is superior in most ways, IMO. It reaches FAR, FAR more people, and often times there is some back and forth to ask questions that readers would usually have.
I agree. The web has provided access where it used to be primarily controlled by the MSM.
I'll drop this link here to make it easy to access as an example I mentioned above;
http://youtu.be/kL61yQgdWeM
Very interesting to listen to. Especially the part where they know CWD will not transfer to mice. And mice have the same type of cells we do. So that is pretty good news....except for the one strain in Canada that transferred to the mice. That scared me. Then how the disease will transform and adapt. So it is a possibility this disease is in the earlier stages of transforming and its possible to transfer to humans. Then even if a human were positive for CWD, if could stay dormant for a very long time.
We could easily have thousands of people that have the disease that is dormant. Very scary to think about.
The really crazy thing is that the disease is not an organism. It's a simple protein. As mentioned in the Rogan interview, we're not even sure what function the normal protein has in our function. They think it's intercellular communication, but nobody knows. We're just now becoming aware of how these types of diseases work, so just imagine what we don't know.
How could it be a protein? Deer are vegetarian!
I drive a lot, and work at a desk when I'm not. Podcasts are great for me.
Many people listen to podcasts at 2x or 3x speed so they don't take as long. I wouldn't be able to do that the same way as I can't skim when I read.
I use pod cast when I'm doing another task by myself. I would never sit and solely listen without doing at least one other task. I want to pile on to Fox's not liking the slow pace. This is why I hate video tutorials. I would much rather have text to skim, and a couple photos or diagrams of the important stuff. Video is slow.
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