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https://abc13.com/dallas-officer-charged-after-shooting-man-in-wrong-apartment/4171229/
DALLAS, Texas (KTRK) --
A Dallas police officer who shot and killed her neighbor and later explained that she had mistaken his apartment for her own will be charged with manslaughter, the police chief said Friday.
SideShow Bob
09-08-2018, 10:07
I would like to see photographs of both the victims apt. and the officer’s apt. To see just how similar the interiors are that the officer would think it was her apt.
I would bet that the decor is not even remotely the same......
hollohas
09-08-2018, 12:15
I would like to see photographs of both the victims apt. and the officer’s apt. To see just how similar the interiors are that the officer would think it was her apt.
I would bet that the decor is not even remotely the same......
Yeah, I would think you'd need to be REALLY, REALLY eff'n tired to make that mistake....or drunk. Just saying.
She should not be treated any differently because she is a cop.
She should not be treated any differently because she is a cop.
Already has. You or I shoot someone in their own home, we would be in cuffs within the hour.
76040
Already claims that it was actually a murder of an Ex basically. Fake who knows.
Was a video on liveleak of her pacing in hallway and ems taking the guy out doing CPR but it's yanked from LL.
Whats wild is the withholding of her picture and name initially. In all honesty, her shooting an ex is better for me. Better than her shooting random people accidentally.
BladesNBarrels
09-09-2018, 08:45
In today's Denver Post:
Victim's mother said he wouldn't have been shot if he was white.
In today's Denver Post:
Victim's mother said he wouldn't have been shot if he was white.
Almost as bad as the fucker who's daughter killed by the illegal using it to virtue signal and conflate illegal criminals with all hispanics and some dumbass comment about tacos. Granted the daughter was on the same train tweeting about hating white people in the last year. When progressive derangement is so bad, their idea of PC overrules the lives of family.
Second shooting for Dallas officer Amber Guyger who killed black man in his apartment (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/second-shooting-for-dallas-officer-amber-guyger-who-killed-black-man-in-his-apartment/ar-BBN4TMD)
The Dallas police officer who says she fatally shot a black man in his apartment believing that it was her own apartment also shot a man last year, according to court documents.
Police say Amber Guyger, a four-year veteran of the force, told investigators she was returning home from her shift Thursday night and accidentally entered Botham Jean's apartment. Guyger, who is white, believed Jean was an intruder and shot him, police said
In May 2017, Guyger was called to assist another officer searching for a suspect. An affidavit indicates a man identified as Uvaldo Perez got out of a car and became combative with Guyger and another officer. A struggle began and Guyger fired her Taser at Perez, who then wrested away her Taser. Guyger then drew her gun and shot Perez in the abdomen, the affidavit says. Guyger was not charged in the case.
theGinsue
09-10-2018, 00:53
Second shooting for Dallas officer Amber Guyger who killed black man in his apartment (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/second-shooting-for-dallas-officer-amber-guyger-who-killed-black-man-in-his-apartment/ar-BBN4TMD)
Looks to me like the shooting last year was legitimately a good shoot. Too many facts still not made public about this recent one to make a decision on it, but it isn't looking too good at this point.
Yep, I'm not judging, just passing along info. I can't make sense of what has come out so far.
Shooter45
09-10-2018, 17:35
The district attorney released the arrest affidavit for Dallas Police Officer Amber Guyger on Monday.
Dallas, TX – The arrest affidavit released Monday afternoon revealed many more details about the circumstances surrounding the Dallas police officer who mistakenly shot a man in his own apartment.
Off-duty Dallas Police Officer Amber Guyger returned home from work just after 10 p.m. on Sept. 6, after having worked 14 hours serving warrants in high crime areas of the city.
Officer Guyger, 30, parked on the 4th floor of the parking garage adjacent to her apartment building, WCAU reported.
The affidavit said the garage levels correspond with the floors in the apartment complex. Officer Guyger lives on the 3rd Floor of the Southside Flats apartment complex, and should have parked on the 3rd floor where her apartment was.
Officer Guyger proceeded into the building and went to the door of the apartment she believed to be her own and inserted her key.
The affidavit used to get the warrant for the officer’s arrest said the door to the 4th Floor apartment was not completely shut. It’s been reported that the Southside Flats apartments use a keycard entry system.
“She inserted a unique door key, with an electronic chip, into the door key hole,” the affidavit said. “The door, which was slightly ajar prior to Guyger’s arrival, fully opened under the force of the key insertion.”
The sound of the door opening alerted 26-year-old Botham Jean, who went to see what was going on at his front door, the affidavit said.
Officer Guyger saw the silhouette of someone in what she believed to be her own apartment, and drew her firearm, WCAU reported. The affidavit said she believed she was being robbed.
She gave verbal commands that were ignored by Jean, according to the affidavit. Then she fired her weapon in the dark at the person twice, striking him once.
The arrest affidavit said it wasn’t until Officer Guyger was already on the phone with 911, that she reached to turn on the lights and she realized she was not in her own apartment.
She went into the hall and checked the address on the door, and confirmed for the dispatchers that she was in unit 1478, one floor above her own apartment, WCAU reported.
Jean was transported to Baylor Medical Center in Dallas where he later died.
Dallas Police Chief U. Renee Hall announced Officer Guyger’s impending arrest on Friday, and said the Texas Rangers were taking over the investigation.
“We have also invited the Texas Rangers to conduct an independent investigation," Chief Hall told reporters. “They have just arrived a moment ago and they are currently being briefed.”
The Texas Rangers requested that the warrant not be issued until they actually had a chance to investigate. That warrant was issued on Sunday.
Officer Guyger surrendered to authorities at the Kaufman County Sheriff's Department on Sunday night. She was released on a $300,000 about two hours later, the Star-Telegram reported.
District Attorney Faith Johnson said the investigation was ongoing and the final case would be presented to a grand jury, who will then decide whether or not to charge the off-duty officer with manslaughter, murder or any other charges.
“Trust me, we will present to the grand jury everything that we can possibly present to them,” Johnson said at a press conference on Sept. 10.
From the limited information that has been released, there has been nothing to suggest that there could have, in any way, been racial bias involved in the shooting.
The officer was also off-duty and not acting in a law enforcement capacity at the time.
Multiple sources have confirmed that the two did not know each other, and any claims otherwise have been disproven, according to the Dallas Morning News.
https://defensemaven.io/bluelivesmatter/news/new-details-released-about-what-actually-happened-in-dallas-apartment-shooting-2P-lO_RomEqdBUkm8z5pRw/
That seems like a much better account than what I read previously.
Zundfolge
09-10-2018, 22:06
She gave verbal commands that were ignored by Jean, according to the affidavit.
I'm going to bet that this part is a fabrication on her part. She was tired after a stressful shift and she just reacted to the intruder in "her" apartment.
Aside from that bit, I think the rest looks pretty honest to me.
Sucks for all involved, that's for sure.
ETA
I don't even think she's necessarily lying when she says she "gave verbal commands". She was tired and stressed and there was a confluence of events that made her really think she was in HER apartment, so she saw a shape, slapped leather and shot him. Maybe even thinking she'd issued a warning, but I bet if there was a video of the incident it would contradict her statement.
hollohas
09-11-2018, 10:53
Some reports now that neighbors heard knocking and a women yelling "let me in! Let me in!". And then heard "Oh my God! Why did you do that?" From a man.
That doesn't dispute her claim that she thought she was at her apartment, but it could be what her "verbal commands" were.
Some reports now that neighbors heard knocking and a women yelling "let me in! Let me in!". And then heard "Oh my God! Why did you do that?" From a man.
That doesn't dispute her claim that she thought she was at her apartment, but it could be what her "verbal commands" were.
...but that would contradict the claim that the door swung open when she inserted her cardkey...
O2
Zundfolge
09-11-2018, 16:40
Some reports now that neighbors heard knocking and a women yelling "let me in! Let me in!". And then heard "Oh my God! Why did you do that?" From a man.
If THIS is true, she's in trouble.
hollohas
09-14-2018, 15:16
Sounds like the door was locked then the resident opened it and was shot.
She 'was attempting to enter apartment 1478, with a set of keys', the officer who wrote the report said, when Botham confronted her at the door.
The report reads: 'During this incident, an off-duty Dallas Police Officer who was wearing a full Dallas Police uniform, was attempting to enter apartment number 1478, with a set of keys.
'An unknown male, inside the apartment, confronted the officer at the door. A neighbor stated that he heard an exchange of words, immediately followed by at least two gunshots.
Looks like there is a half eaten bowl of cereal and a book on a foot stool. The officer said it was dark when she entered. I don't know too many people who eat cereal and read in the dark. Just saying.
I think her story is falling apart.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6169631/Search-warrant-says-Dallas-cop-trying-open-black-neighbors-door-set-keys.html
I never understood why professions that rely on the mental acuity of professionals regularly work people on low sleep. Doctors and police come to mind.
I never understood why professions that rely on the mental acuity of professionals regularly work people on low sleep. Doctors and police come to mind.
True. But there is a wide gulf between total exhaustion and full-retard.
True. But there is a wide gulf between total exhaustion and full-retard.
Oh I think she's lying regardless of being tired. I was just bringing that up since its related.
Zundfolge
09-15-2018, 10:52
I wouldn't broadly typecast people...
In this case I bet your analysis is spot on.
I'm going to bet she's one of those women that doesn't get along well with other women, is an athletic, type A personality, overly competitive and probably often brags about how she was exposed to more testosterone in the womb than most women. (I've known half a dozen such women over the years and they're all the same look as well ... toned, athletic, petite little blonde women that almost always wear their hair in a pony tail and are constantly competing with every person they interact with ... a good friend of mine is currently dating one of them and she's a parametric who's mother is an ATF agent).
BushMasterBoy
09-15-2018, 12:03
I think it is simply she did not have a light on her target. Can't really identify the target, yet it is a threat. I read relatives get shot every once in awhile in the home where they live, by misidentification. Occam's razor here for me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor
I wouldn't broadly typecast people, but...
Funniest thing I've read all day. Like 40% of your posts over the last five years are broadly typecasting people as Cluster B sociopaths.
That's kind of like typecasting people on a forum like this as likely gun owners. Ya got me there.
Hey...we've never met, how did you know I'm a gun owner?!? That's PROFILING !! [Coffee]
Convicted. Murder
https://www.kltv.com/2019/10/01/prosecutor-officers-testimony-killing-neighbor-absurd/
BushMasterBoy
10-01-2019, 21:22
This happened to me once. Came home and the toilet flushed and I heard voices. I just about shit myself. Turns out the plumber came to fix the plumbing underneath the house I had just bought weeks earlier. Little girl came out of the bathroom. Plumber had parked behind the house, I had no idea anybody was in my house. His whole family was in my bathroom! Builder did not tell me a plumber would have the key to my house. And bring his whole family...
The difference is it was your house. The apt she went to was not her own.
I'm surprised at the murder charge. Manslaughter seems more appropriate.
The difference is it was your house. The apt she went to was not her own.
The other difference is he didn?t shoot and kill anybody.
The difference is it was your house. The apt she went to was not her own.
I'm surprised at the murder charge. Manslaughter seems more appropriate.
I haven't read any of the details of the testimony provided. Perhaps it has to do with intent?
The other difference is he didn?t shoot and kill anybody.
Details...details...
I haven't read any of the details of the testimony provided. Perhaps it has to do with intent?
She was asked if she intended to kill him when she shot center mass. She screwed up and said “yes”. Her answer should have been a qualified, “I intended to attempt to neutralize what I perceived to be a deadly threat, as trained and practiced for over 4 years, in what I thought was my own apartment.”
10 years!
I guess she is too dangerous and needs to be locked away from the public to keep them safe for a decade on the taxpayers dime.
I would have let her contribute to society and set her up with a ton of community service. Not sure how the family of the dead benefit from her going to prison. Was she a threat to society?
Was she a threat to society?
If you lived in her apartment complex, yes.
I also heard her testify that she intended to kill him. I was wondering why she didn't say that she shot to stop the threat. They also used some comments she made in the past against her.
I also thought she would have been charged with manslaughter.
If you lived in her apartment complex, yes.
I also heard her testify that she intended to kill him. I was wondering why she didn't say that she shot to stop the threat. They also used some comments she made in the past against her.
I also thought she would have been charged with manslaughter.
You think she is a danger to the apartment complex any more than the next person? Seriously, this will cost the taxpayers tons of money all to punish someone for an honest mistake that anyone could make. Unless she had some sort of shady past and there was a history of behavior like this, she needs to be set free and not have her life ruined also. Give her the option of doing something good for the community somehow. This is really no different than if she had fallen asleep on her way home and accidentally hit him as he crossed the street and that was her only offense.
Maybe I am missing something from her past that proves she is more dangerous than the next poster in this thread, but our justice system failed on this one.
So,,,,did she get the guilty of Criminal Trespass as well?
You think she is a danger to the apartment complex any more than the next person? Seriously, this will cost the taxpayers tons of money all to punish someone for an honest mistake that anyone could make. Unless she had some sort of shady past and there was a history of behavior like this, she needs to be set free and not have her life ruined also. Give her the option of doing something good for the community somehow. This is really no different than if she had fallen asleep on her way home and accidentally hit him as he crossed the street and that was her only offense.
Maybe I am missing something from her past that proves she is more dangerous than the next poster in this thread, but our justice system failed on this one.
I'm more or less in agreement. This seems like a perfect situation for hard labor. I don't have a more nuanced answer, but it seems like her working her ass off, and most of that effort/income going to that family for that ten years doesn't seem out of the question.
I wouldn't call it an innocent mistake. This comes from a mindset that intends murder in any instance where they think they can get away with it. E.g. the "Drag em' inside your doorstep, and the best witness is already deceased!"
Yeah, she made a mistake of going to the wrong floor. She probably believed there was somsone inside her apartment. What wasn't a mistake, is she made a conscious decision that she was going to murder "the sonofabitch that was inside her apartment" before she ever opened the door. No problem, she'll just claim she was afraid and castle doctrine, right? He was sitting on his couch eating icecream. Based on ballistics, he wasn't standing when she shot him, and there wasn't any possible fear or justification. Someone barged into his apartment and shot him dead without warning.
Her only justification was "SOMEONE IS INSIDE MY APARTMENT I'M GOING TO KILL THAT ASSHOLE". Had she not had the "I can get away with it" mindset, he would be alive, despite her mistaken apartment. She would have figured it out in 0.5 seconds (oh hey, this isn't my furniture), if her single minded focus wasn't murder.
Rot in prison, bitch, maybe you'll be a good lesson to fudds who have the same mindset.
You think she is a danger to the apartment complex any more than the next person? Seriously, this will cost the taxpayers tons of money all to punish someone for an honest mistake that anyone could make. Unless she had some sort of shady past and there was a history of behavior like this, she needs to be set free and not have her life ruined also. Give her the option of doing something good for the community somehow. This is really no different than if she had fallen asleep on her way home and accidentally hit him as he crossed the street and that was her only offense.
Maybe I am missing something from her past that proves she is more dangerous than the next poster in this thread, but our justice system failed on this one.
Texas Cop Who Murdered Black Man in His Home Admitted She's Racist in Text Messages (https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/texas-cop-who-murdered-black-man-in-his-home-admitted-shes-racist-in-text-messages/ar-AAIayDi)
After convicting Amber Guyger of the murder of Botham Jean, Texas jurors were presented with racist and violent text and social media messages composed by the former Dallas police officer before the fatal shooting.
Guyger, 31, who is white, faces 99 years behind bars as the conviction phase of her trial resumes on Wednesday.
She was found guilty on Wednesday of killing her 26-year-old neighbor on another floor, who is black, inside his own apartment, claiming she mistook him for someone burglarizing her own home.
According to WFAA, jurors heard prosecutors present text messages from Jan. 15, 2018, as Dallas officers were assigned to the Martin Luther King Jr. parade.
?When does this end lol,? read a text to Guyger, to which she responded, ?When MLK is dead? oh wait??
As the texted conversation turned to the parade attendees, WFAA reports Guyger texted, ?Just push them? or spray your pepper spray in that general area.?
The Washington Post reports that, in another text exchange dated Sept. 4, 2018, someone reached out to Guyger about adopting a German Shepherd.
?Although she may be racist,? the dog?s owner messaged Guyger.
?It?s okay,? Guyger replied. ?I?m the same.?
In the same group text thread, she wrote, ?I hate everything and everyone but y?all,? according to the Post.
The state also shared text messages sent between Guyger and her ex-lover and police partner, Officer Martin Rivera, from March 9, 2018, in which they seem to disparage black officers.
?Damn I was at this area with 5 different black officers!!!,? she wrote to him, according to the Dallas Morning News. ?Not racist but damn,? he responded.
?Not racist but just have a different way of working and it shows,? she replied.
Social media posts made by Guyger, which prosecutors presented to jurors Wednesday, were violent in nature.
One image she shared shows a military sniper, along with text that reads: ?Stay low, go fast; kill first, die last; one shot, one kill; no luck, all skill.?
In another post, Guyger wrote: ?I wear all black to remind you not to mess with me, because I?m already dressed for your funeral.?
She further commented she had a gun, shovel and gloves ready to go, according to the reports.
Additionally, Guyger commented, ?People are so ungrateful,? on a post featuring a cartoon character with the text: ?No one ever thanks me for having the patience not to kill them.?
Also on Wednesday, Jean?s mother, Allison Jean, shared the pain she?s endured since her businessman son?s killing.
?My life has not been the same,? his mother told jurors. ?It?s been a roller coaster. I can?t sleep. I can?t eat.?
Guyger told jurors during her testimony at trial she mistakenly walked into Jean?s apartment on Sept. 6, 2018, and believed it was her own apartment.
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?I was scared whoever was inside of my apartment was going to kill me, and I?m sorry,? Guyger testified last Friday while sobbing. ?I have to live with that every single day.?
Jurors were given the option of finding Guyger guilty of manslaughter, a lesser conviction.
It was not immediately clear Wednesday if Guyger intends to appeal her conviction.
Who knows how much of what she posted was sarcasm, which doesn't translate well to the written word. Yet another problem with social media.
Reminds me of the scenes in My Cousin Vinny where Bill Gambini (Ralph Macchio) is being interrogated about when he shot the clerk and he responds, "I shot the clerk?", twice. When his "confession" is read back at trial it's represented as "I shot the clerk."
ETA: Found a video snippet of the interaction and how it was represented:
http://youtu.be/5PZonyefBW4
These are pretty weak examples. When your job is to be in conflict with everyone you meet, that's how you act.
ETA: Don't take that as me trying to shit on cops, it's just the nature of the job. SIU (Special Investigation Unit, IE Fraud) insurance adjusters are often extremely jaded and mistrusting of everyone they meet just by the nature of their job.
When you're dealing with the dregs of society on a regular basis, it takes a special person to be able to handle that properly. If you don't know how you'll handle it, you probably shouldn't be a cop.
BushMasterBoy
10-03-2019, 15:04
Political trial to keep Dallas from burning. Overturned on appeal...
BushMasterBoy
10-05-2019, 18:26
Supposedly a witness was shot to death. Another strange twist to a bizarre tale.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/05/us/botham-jean-neighbor-killed/index.html
BushMasterBoy
10-08-2019, 13:20
And it was drugs....
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/joshua-brown-murder-arrest-made-death-witness-amber-guyger-trial-n1063836
149 grams of THC cartridges. A felony in TX. 12 pounds of weed. Personal consumption, right? [Sarcasm2]
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