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I know some are annoyed at the increasing popularity of the idea of "optics," but I think it matters. Here is an example I found. Read this article without watching the video of looking at any of the photos, then come back here.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-guns-states-idUSKCN1MI12G
Now that you've read the article, what is your impression of the portrayed gun groups? Are they scrappy underdogs upsetting the big dogs in local politics? Legal Eagles frustrated with the bloated inner workings of the colossus that is the NRA? Perhaps. Now go watch the video and scroll through the photo slide show.
Are we taking about the same champions of gun rights from the article, or is this suddenly a feature about another roving band of Antifa jerk-offs? Those pictures out of context could go either way. In context those pictures show me people who care way more about arguing about political points than they do the subject they are arguing about.
In the end, I'd rather have a group of people arguing for my rights than none at all, but maybe put a tad more effort into the optics part of the organization.
Seems like the title should be Optics Matter, instead matters.
Bailey Guns
10-09-2018, 06:19
Optics probably do matter. A lot. But unless you control the optics for your group the media, that undoubtedly has a leftist-driven agenda, will control the optics. And the media optics will almost always be what is seen...at least anywhere other than locally. You can bet the vast majority of media outlets won't show anything pro-gun in a positive light.
68Charger
10-09-2018, 06:27
I just don't like the cultural appropriation of the word "optics"
I clicked on the thread hoping to read about scopes..
Instead I get a poorly-written left-leaning hit piece that used a picture of people from "Open carry Texas" (and they're a bad example of typical gun owners, IMHO) in an article about Missouri?
Yeah, they went on to mention them- but I think that was forced in there, because the picture they had and wanted to use for maximum scary impact was of OCT.
Of course optics matter. Which is why, when the media portray any side/person they don't agree with, they go out of their way to paint an unflattering picture by taking things out of context, well-crafted poisoning of the well, etc.
If the article were about the importance of drinking water more than soda, and the media outlet which runs the story and interview is biased for soda, the writing might go something like:
"Weathered and with a slight limp, 86 year old pro-water activist Elsie Wardeth seems an unlikely proponent for such a movement as healthy hydration habits. With a cracking voice she asks if we want water as she opens the fridge to offer us a drink. Amidst the gallons of drinking water, we spy the sweet tea, a few cans of generic cola, and an opened bottle of wine. Water it is."
The article will go on to note Elsie's proffered advice on how water is good for the skin, helps the joints, keeps the vocal cords lubricated, and how other things are not as good for a person. Of course, Elsie never claims one should never, ever, ever drink anything else. A glass of sweet tea, coke, or wine is fine. Her argument is simply that we don't drink enough pure H2o. She's weathered, and talking about skin. Limping, and talking about joints. Cracked voice, and talks about vocal cords. Pro-water, but a hypocrite with other things in her fridge.
What's the goal? cast doubt, engage in subtle ad hominems, and ultimately make the pro-water crowd look like unhinged lunatic hypocrites.
Same thing.
I have no doubt that the editors used pictures that made those guys look bad as possible, and are probably still laughing about how little work they had to do to get those shots. "We're gonna be in a article? Whip off your shirt Buck, let's give 'em a show!"
She'd offer you a glass of water after you examine her slick, tin roof in August.
CobaltSkink
10-09-2018, 06:51
I read the Reuters article, looked at the pics, and skimmed the video [no audio].
The article talked about Missouri, Texas, and Idaho, but all the pics/video were only from Texas.
68Charger
10-09-2018, 07:16
I have no doubt that the editors used pictures that made those guys look bad as possible, and are probably still laughing about how little work they had to do to get those shots. "We're gonna be in a article? Whip off your shirt Buck, let's give 'em a show!"
That's my point, they probably thought the Missouri "activists" looked too normal... so they hunted for the most radical group they could find in recent news- I'm not surprised they chose pics of the Open Carry Texas guys, they're really aggressive and kinda whacky.
I don't agree with all of their tactics, many gun owners don't.
Great-Kazoo
10-09-2018, 08:36
I read the Reuters article, looked at the pics, and skimmed the video [no audio].
The article talked about Missouri, Texas, and Idaho, but all the pics/video were only from Texas.
Click Bait. What 110% of the media relies on, for you the public to click on. If it can show R leaning, gun toting, religious people in a negative light it runs for days.
Look for the blip about the CNN reporter who years ago called them fags , not wanting to room with a lesbian. The media blew it off (rather quickly) as a youthful indiscretion. YET literally called for storming the Bastille, over allegations from 3+ decades about Bret Kavanaugh.
A station down here threw in, Judge Kavanaugh was sworn in after an investigation of alleged allegations of sexual assault. That's it.
So i emailed them to mention maybe next story on the Judge, after alleged allegations of sexual assault they include were found to be untrue. To show there's no media bias, of course
Delfuego
10-09-2018, 09:40
Thought we were gonna talk about scopes [Roll1]
Way more interesting conversation...
ChickNorris
10-09-2018, 09:57
Thought we were gonna talk about scopes
He's a tricker. : )
In my opinion, MOA proponents have done nothing to win over the MIL crowd, what with their condescending math and hard data — where’s the heartfelt pleas? Both sides forget the common plex and BDC man.
Anyway, this was in leg and pol, so I guessed it wasn’t going to be another same-Philippine-factory-different-branding thread.
Media is dying and the young generation of "narrative shapers" who openly replace facts with Lib narrative are only going to hurt it more.
Stop caring about media. Start caring about direct and peripheral relationships with human beings. In real life and socials.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/1663/media-use-evaluation.aspx
https://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/pliae47xf0ayijnaojwkng.png
Notice the major dips in recent memory are when the media (DNC Propagandists) went all-in destroying a GOP President. Otherwise the trendline is steady decline.
Even if media could convince 100% of the 41% who currently have a general level of trust, they will fail to obtain a plurality on any issue/politician.
And these polls almost always oversample Libs.
These groups have become increasingly active in promoting a pro-gun agenda in many states, unafraid of alienating lawmakers who waver on gun rights. In many cases, they say they would rather lose a legislative fight on principle than compromise and support a watered-down bill.
The presstitute is admitting here that the oligarchy doesn't obey the people, that the push for these rights is grassroots ("MUH DEMOCRACY!"), and the piece is nothing but a smear against common people.
Rinse, repeat, on multiple issues. What kind of impact do these optics have when everyone's ox has been gored at some point by these propagandists?
68Charger
10-09-2018, 11:10
He's a tricker. : )
He's the Loki of ar-15.co, but without the demi god status...
he used clickbait to complain about a clickbait article... [LOL]
Delfuego
10-09-2018, 15:38
He's the Loki of ar-15.co, but without the demi god status...
he used clickbait to complain about a clickbait article... [LOL]At least he didn't redirect us to his website!
Please check out my site that is actually about optics. https://tinyurl.com/2fcpre6
Great-Kazoo
10-09-2018, 15:46
Media is dying and the young generation of "narrative shapers" who openly replace facts with Lib narrative are only going to hurt it more.
Stop caring about media. Start caring about direct and peripheral relationships with human beings. In real life and socials.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/1663/media-use-evaluation.aspx
https://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/pliae47xf0ayijnaojwkng.png
Notice the major dips in recent memory are when the media (DNC Propagandists) went all-in destroying a GOP President. Otherwise the trendline is steady decline.
Even if media could convince 100% of the 41% who currently have a general level of trust, they will fail to obtain a plurality on any issue/politician.
And these polls almost always oversample Libs.
The presstitute is admitting here that the oligarchy doesn't obey the people, that the push for these rights is grassroots ("MUH DEMOCRACY!"), and the piece is nothing but a smear against common people.
Rinse, repeat, on multiple issues. What kind of impact do these optics have when everyone's ox has been gored at some point by these propagandists?
The problem with the media, is the media. When you see (on a daily basis) hit pieces about Trump, R's, SCOTUS, bias this, racist that. Then look past the click bait headline to see who twittered the story. 99.9% of the time it's not even a known journalist. The "writer" is someone from Yahoo Styles, Esquire's glamour or better yet the wapo society section. WTF cares what some society douche says about anyone, at all.
The problem with the media, is the media. When you see (on a daily basis) hit pieces about Trump, R's, SCOTUS, bias this, racist that. Then look past the click bait headline to see who twittered the story. 99.9% of the time it's not even a known journalist. The "writer" is someone from Yahoo Styles, Esquire's glamour or better yet the wapo society section. WTF cares what some society douche says about anyone, at all.
There is a TON of this! Along with "anonymous sources" and "as reported in" which leads to nothingness.
I think people are catching on. It's easy to hate Trump, or any Republican, but then the statists move in on something important to you and facts/rational conversations are gone all so they can make "progress."
I wanted to title this thread, "Look at these fucking clowns!" but was trying to be more diplomatic. In the end I was full of myself at 1:00am and ticked you into reading my thinly disguised rant.
Great-Kazoo
10-09-2018, 21:02
I wanted to title this thread, "Look at these fucking clowns!" but was trying to be more diplomatic. In the end I was full of myself at 1:00am and ticked you into reading my thinly disguised rant.
Just happy you didn't go all Norsemen on us.
Ah yes. The press goes out of their way to portray gun rights activists as crazy, and Irving blames the gun rights activists instead of the agenda-driven press.
How far out of their way do you think the press had to go to make those guys look bad? That's my point. Why hand it to them?
How far out of their way do you think the press had to go to make those guys look bad? That's my point. Why hand it to them?
From Jefferson, Missouri to Houston, Texas apparently.
According to Google Maps, that's a distance of 788 miles/11 hours 55 minutes.
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Jefferson+City,+MO/Houston,+TX/@34.2604747,-99.0284627,6z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x87db5dab4e3b0a f1:0xb2e7c94bbca8d9ad!2m2!1d-92.1735164!2d38.5767017!1m5!1m1!1s0x8640b8b4488d85 01:0xca0d02def365053b!2m2!1d-95.3698028!2d29.7604267!3e0
So, pretty damned far out of their way.
Zundfolge
10-19-2018, 15:53
There has to be a modern, urban/suburban variation on the old Fudd ... upper middle class yuppies that object to "rednecks" owning guns;
"If you're going to own a gun, make sure you're never seen in anything less than khakis, a polo shirt and oxfords or you're feeding the negative stereotype of gun owners as working class."
"Oh my God, Chad, They're showing pictures of gun owners that drive pickups and wear trucker hats unironically! Those rednecks are going to make us look bad!"
There has to be a modern, urban/suburban variation on the old Fudd ... upper middle class yuppies that object to "rednecks" owning guns;
"If you're going to own a gun, make sure you're never seen in anything less than khakis, a polo shirt and oxfords or you're feeding the negative stereotype of gun owners as working class."
"Oh my God, Chad, They're showing pictures of gun owners that drive pickups and wear trucker hats unironically! Those rednecks are going to make us look bad!"
I believe they are called NRA board members.
Zundfolge
10-19-2018, 17:30
Cav wins the thread
DireWolf
10-19-2018, 18:22
There has to be a modern, urban/suburban variation on the old Fudd ... upper middle class yuppies that object to "rednecks" owning guns;
"If you're going to own a gun, make sure you're never seen in anything less than khakis, a polo shirt and oxfords or you're feeding the negative stereotype of gun owners as working class."
"Oh my God, Chad, They're showing pictures of gun owners that drive pickups and wear trucker hats unironically! Those rednecks are going to make us look bad!"
I believe they are called NRA board members.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181020/dcdfc44e04007eb40a403acce827a627.gif
Delfuego
10-19-2018, 20:20
I'm sad nobody clicked my link on this thread [Cry]
68Charger
10-20-2018, 06:23
I'm sad nobody clicked my link on this thread [Cry]
Well, nobody's going to click on it now... you laid it on a little too thick.
Delfuego
10-20-2018, 08:15
do it....
I'm not clicking on a tinyurl.
Delfuego
10-20-2018, 09:37
You guys (girls, x, y, z, etc, etc) are no fun at all
Pull my finger.
Sent from my electronic leash using Tapatalk
Zundfolge
10-20-2018, 12:05
I'm not clicking on a tinyurl.
Best case scenario its a Rick Roll, worst case we get to see Delfuego's penis.
And then my buddy over in network defense calls me with a "Dude... wtf" moment.
Delfuego
10-20-2018, 13:37
Best case scenario its a Rick Roll, worst case we get to see Delfuego's penis.Push the button...
I kinda glad people have wised up by 2018. Kinda sad practical jokes are getting harder.
I was told it's not ok to put an American flag and NRA sticker on my Impreza.
Impreza = Hipster Corolla
Kinda sad practical jokes are getting harder.
And the mystery of what's behind the link continues...
CobaltSkink
10-20-2018, 16:53
Funny thing at the TinyURL...
A white guy, but his voice identifies as a black guy.
Impreza = Hipster Corolla
Nice basic AWD car. Far from hipster.
hurley842002
10-20-2018, 18:26
Speaking of optics, how do targets with political figures in the crosshairs fit into the issue?
Nice basic AWD car. Far from hipster.
I didn't make it up.
http://youtu.be/agJyoLppzKU
Fun Fact at 2:24
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