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Gman
10-25-2018, 17:02
Bailey Guns, you know it's only a matter of time before you get an IKEA. I was hoping you went before us to create a conservative refuge for the rest of us. ;-)

Priced-out Californians buying homes in Idaho for Monopoly money (https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/priced-out-californians-buying-homes-in-idaho-for-monopoly-money/ar-BBOQn6y)



Idaho may be the new frontier for Californians.

In a new Bloomberg story (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-23/boise-and-reno-capitalize-on-the-california-real-estate-exodus), the reporters Prashant Gopal and Noah Buhayar describe an "echo boom" in which Californians are invading cities in landlocked states out west, like Boise, Idaho; Phoenix, Arizona; and Reno, Nevada.

The article said the move was ignited by California's record housing prices, volatile politics, high taxes, and "constant threat of natural disaster," like the recent wildfires in the state.

It wasn't long ago that people priced out of California were fleeing to Seattle and Portland, but prices -- along with traffic and other frustrations -- are rising there too. Earlier this year, Forbes named the roughly 700,000-person Boise metro area the fastest-growing U.S. city, followed by Seattle.

"Eventually the laws of supply and demand are going to drive people to other parts of the country," Glenn Kelman, CEO of the real-estate firm Redfin, told Bloomberg. "Boise isn't five times worse than California as a place to live. But places in California are five times more expensive."

The median home price in California hit a record $600,000 in June, more than twice the national median. Bloomberg described Kelman as saying it was easy for homeowners relocating to places like Boise to feel as if they're spending Monopoly money.

But frustrated locals feel that the Californians are driving up prices. The cost of a typical home in Ada County, which includes Boise, hit nearly $300,000 in September, an 18% jump from the previous year, Gopal and Buhayar reported. One new gated community sells homes with huge windows and "wine walls" to mostly out-of-state buyers, a sales agent told the news outlet.

Rent in these areas is also much cheaper. According to Zillow, the median rent in the Boise metro area is $1,400, compared with $2,300 in the Seattle metro area and $3,324 in the San Francisco metro area.

But the economic relief of moving to a down-home city is just one reason Idaho experienced a rise in popularity among Californians, who made up 85% of the state's total domestic immigration in 2016, Bloomberg reported, citing an analysis of U.S. census data.

Boise has for years appeared on rankings of the best places to live by outlets like US News & World Report, Niche, and SmartAsset, touting spectacular outdoor attractions, a high quality of life, and safety, in addition to low taxes, affordable housing, and a strong job market.

ETA: Thanks Mods, you guys rock!

Irving
10-25-2018, 17:08
Great, I'm sure they'll fuck up the hunting.

Gman
10-25-2018, 17:13
Great, I'm sure they'll fuck up the hunting everything.
FIFY

Irving
10-25-2018, 17:25
Well, the essential oils market will probably be off the hook.

hurley842002
10-25-2018, 17:53
Look for mag restrictions and BGC laws in 5-10 years.

Bailey Guns
10-25-2018, 18:45
It hasn't really hit in this area yet but boy do people bitch about it after a trip to Boise or CDA. There are two things almost everyone here hates with a passion...Californians and wolves.

I don't see any new gun restrictions on the horizon, though. But even housing here is up substantially in the 3 years we've been here.

Irving
10-25-2018, 18:49
People who hate wolves might as well be Californians...

DFBrews
10-25-2018, 20:01
People who hate wolves might as well be Californians...

I identify as a sheep farmer and am offended

hurley842002
10-25-2018, 20:14
Funny, my wife just sent me a Facebook quiz for where you should live, and....... Idaho, she got Tennessee.

opie011
10-25-2018, 20:28
Well sh!t its gonna be like here by the time I get there....[Bang]

Skip
10-25-2018, 20:51
They aren’t sending their best.

buffalobo
10-25-2018, 20:52
Well sh!t its gonna be like here by the time I get there....[Bang]^^^This.

Irving
10-25-2018, 20:53
I identify as a sheep farmer and am offended

I have a comeback about domestic flocks spreading disease to wild herds, and something about wool, but I'm too lazy to flesh it out and put in the effort to have it make sense.

Mtneer
10-25-2018, 21:26
Bummer, now Idaho is a given for President Chelsea Clinton. Incrementalism sucks.

DireWolf
10-25-2018, 21:28
People who hate wolves might as well be Californians...I agree!

In all seriousness though, I feel as if there should be a 10-year (or longer) moratorium on voting in any State or local election for people inbound from CA.

Irving
10-25-2018, 21:34
I agree!

In all seriousness though, I feel as if there should be a 10-year (or longer) moratorium on voting in any State or local election for people inbound from CA.

Would you agree to that for yourself moving somewhere else?

DireWolf
10-25-2018, 21:55
Would you agree to that for yourself moving somewhere else?Absolutely, that wouldn't bother me in the least and don't see any issues - for three reasons.

1. I have a pretty good handle on cause-effect relationships;

2. I wouldn't move somewhere I hated/disagreed with the culture (e.g. - have had several very lucrative job opportunities over the last 15-20 years which would have required moving to the Bay area...nope!). I would stay where I was or move somewhere better aligned with my world-view, thus avoiding the issue.

3. I'm not a self-righteous shitbird - and that's the polite term - who would flee a hostile-environment largely of my own creation (stemming from a skewed view of reality where cause/effect is irrelevant and feelings are more important than logic), move somewhere else/better/different, and then immediately embark on a mission to 'educate' the backwards savages and change the local culture/laws to be more 'enlightented' like the place I just fled....

I moved to CO about 20 years ago and felt a strong cultural alignment, but the place is practically unrecognizable since then...Fuck these assholes and the prius they rode in on.


So, no - no problem at all with universal application of that.


ETA: Wanted to add that previously mentioned "shitbird" title is not universal to people from CA (or anywhere else for thst matter), and only applies to those who choose to take their social-engineering show on the road...Sooner or later that crap will leave no place unmolested & unspoiled.

Anybody truly fleeing those commie wonderlands for something better, without trying to shove their beliefs/judgements down everyone's throats, and works to adapt and integrate with the local culture, well those people are OK in my book.

Irving
10-25-2018, 22:13
Ahhh, never mind. It doesn't matter.

DireWolf
10-25-2018, 22:44
Yeah, wasn't sure if you were just messin with me or not, but figured I'd give a straight answer either way ;)

68Charger
10-26-2018, 06:23
Fuck these assholes and the prius they rode on

something like this needs to be a T-shirt... would sell alongside the "don't Californicate my Texas" shirts pretty well.

Bailey Guns
10-26-2018, 06:30
People who hate wolves might as well be Californians...

It's actually not the wolves per se. It's that the wolf reintroduction was very controversial because raising livestock and subsistence hunting are very big in the region and people who make their living that way feared the wolves would negatively impact them. People see the ungulate populations dwindling pretty rapidly in areas where they've historically been very strong and many blame the wolves. I don't know enough about it to really have an opinion either way but I'll admit I tend to side with the wildlife...usually since they didn't have a say in the matter. I'd love to see a wolf in the wild, though.

Irving
10-26-2018, 06:48
That's a pretty accurate description of how people feel. That said I stand by my position.

Mazin
10-26-2018, 07:17
something like this needs to be a T-shirt... would sell alongside the "don't Californicate my Texas" shirts pretty well.

I can handle the vinyl decals

jerrymrc
10-26-2018, 09:01
Back in the 70's Our Governor in Oregon told us they were coming and there was nothing we could do about it. He said it would only take 10-15 years before the way of life as we knew it would change. When I got out of the Military in 92 I went back and in a month I was asking WTF had happened. Then it hit me. That was when I moved to Colorado full time. Every time I go back it amazes me. [beatdeadhorse]