This state is hosed

[BPTactical]

Polis for Gov and Weiser for AG?

AWB inbound.

[ray1970]

I implemented a long term plan. I convinced the youngest son to move to Wyoming recently. His mom misses him. Phase two will be for him to make a grand baby. Once phase two is complete convincing the wife to leave Colorado will be easy.

[ChickNorris]

Mwahawahahaha

Grand babies!

[jreifsch80]

I’ve been looking to moving to Wyoming for the last year as well just have to wait it out a little more before my family can move

[ChickNorris]

Comrade Polis.

Hosed

[Grant H.]

WY is on my short list right about now.

Thankfully, 112 is failing, so our housing market will stay strong, which makes going to WY or somewhere else a better move financially.

[jreifsch80]

WY is on my short list right about now.

Thankfully, 112 is failing, so our housing market will stay strong, which makes going to WY or somewhere else a better move financially.


On the other hand if 112 and 74 were to pass would we have been able to get money for lost property value? Haha

[kfr]

Looks like we are getting a gay lib for a gov and Faith Winters as my local liberal troll. I honestly cannot believe the people here can be so stupid to vote for these shit bags. I've been thinking about moving to TX but they are voting for Beatoff.

[Great-Kazoo]

AZ over Wyo

While closer to CO, there's a higher cost per house than AZ.

Where we're at literally looks like western Wy, without the cold, wind and snow. Yes the local sales tax is $$, however the property tax is less than 1/2 of what we paid in CO. The year round weather put us in central AZ over Wyo and Id. Combined with the locals very vocal distaste for anything CA.

Was hoping Stapleton pulled an upset over Polis, sorry guys.

[Scanker19]

Hahahahahaha!!!!

NM Election Results (http://www.kunm.org/post/live-new-mexico-election-results-npr)


Fuuuuuuuu..........

[jreifsch80]

Arizona will be ruined eventually like colorado haha at least with Wyoming I wouldn’t have to find a new job

[ben4372]

Watching NBC coverage. Looks like a lot of blue wins in places that surprised me. Too bad Crowe beat out Coffman.

[hollohas]

Polis for Gov and Weiser for AG?

AWB inbound.I can't for the life of me understand how Weiser is winning. I literally never heard a single ad for the guy. Brauchler was running great ads non-stop and the dude has a VERY impressive resume. Only explanation is dumb assed Dems voting the party line without considering the candidate at all.

[UrbanWolf]

I'm not surprised one bit.

[UrbanWolf]

There is really not place left to run anymore, Liberalism spreads too fast with no sign of stopping, I'm over it.

[Gman]

A Dem in District 6. [Bang]

[hurley842002]

Only explanation is dumb assed Dems voting the party line without considering the candidate at all.

That's exactly what it is, the mass exodus of liberal turds moving here over the last couple years has put us in 100% California status, the only thing missing is the gun laws, and that is coming.

[emiller35]

That's exactly what it is, the mass exodus of liberal turds moving here over the last couple years has put us in 100% California status, the only thing missing is the gun laws, and that is coming.

Sad but true


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[BPTactical]

We can thank the Colorado GOP for this. Brauchler would have made a solid run against Polesmoker.
Instead they played fuck fuck with Tancredo and Sullivan (might be wrong on the name, the gal that got beat in the primary).
It screwed Brauchler.
I dont understand how a solid and proven performer such as him got hosed, Weiser never even saw the inside of a courtroom.
I could deal with Polis as Gov and Brauchler as AG, it would have kept Polis in check but Weiser will lockstep with Fluffy the Gov.

How did state Senate/House races run out?

[Eric P]

So can I rent a storage in WY to keep my "assault weapons" and silencers safe until I can retire and kiss this cesspool goodbye?

[Irving]

Has anyone on here who complains about dems voting the party line, EVER voted for a Dem?

I haven't, but I'm just curious.

[OtterbatHellcat]

leave Colorado will be easy.

Yep.

[keylay31]

How did state Senate/House races run out?

Just read that we have a Dem gov, senate, and house. Goodbye gun rights. At least all of the tax measure increased failed. I've never thanked God for TABOR more to keep the dems in check a bit.

[CS1983]

Here's what I don't understand:

CO votes no on tax increases

CO votes in Dems, who will put out programs that need tax increases, and otherwise just push for tax increases.

It makes no sense. It's like people don't understand cause and effect.

[GeorgeandSugar]

Bummed! I see assault on 2A and gun rights in state. Once house sells, we?ll move to AZ. Partly weather for wife and gun friendly for me. WY too cold for wife.


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[opie011]

leave Colorado will be easy.

Yep.

It's on my short list!

[thvigil11]

Hahahahahaha!!!!

NM Election Results (http://www.kunm.org/post/live-new-mexico-election-results-npr)


Fuuuuuuuu..........

Yeah buddy. Prepper your Angus. We about to start circling the drain

[Grant H.]

On the other hand if 112 and 74 were to pass would we have been able to get money for lost property value? Haha

The thing that most didn't realize about this is that there is no good answer if 74 and 112 had passed.

Not only is there no good way to assess lost value, but the lawyers fee's to chase this down would make it unlikely that most land owners affected could ever successfully capitalize on it, beyond whatever measly sum the dims in control deign to offer. Corporations and such? Yep, they've got the money and lawyers.


The biggest hurdle to leaving CO for me is family and church.

[Honey Badger282.8]

I moved to KS for school, but I still vote in CO. It looks like I won't be returning after I graduate. This election helped narrow down my choices of which regional airline I want to apply to. SkyWest just jumped to the top of the pile; here's hoping I can get Boise, ID or SLC as a domicile - eventually.

The KS Governor race was interesting as the GOP picked a terrible candidate who had a lot of baggage. Unsurprisingly, he lost. Thankfully, none of the Governors agenda items should pass without the state house, especially the repeal of campus concealed carry.

[UrbanWolf]

Just wait until 2020. Thanks to trump, our next president will be half arabic, 50% homosexual, 50% transsexual, 50% gender-ambiguous, 25% hermaphrodite, post-op man->woman lesbian in pre-op to become a man, married to a consenting pit-bull (male) who will be the first-dog whose platform will be bestiality. The president will identify 50% as native american, 50% latin american, 50% east asian, 0% arabic, be a member of the Muslim brotherhood, and declare that science should develop a disease to kill all white people. AND THEY WILL BE ELECTED. Why? Because you could run ANYTHING against Trump and they WILL win. It will be a flat-out blank check, even more so than running Hillary against (any) GOP.

Then, between 2020-2024, we are likely to lose Clarence Thomas, and for the first time in decades, the court will shift 5:4 Liberal. Where you going to move then, peeps?

The issues we are having are far above the Colorado GOP. The media WANTED Trump to get the nomination. He polled the worst against Hillary. Blew their mind when he won ANYWAY, but thing is, when you rock the pendulum hard one way, well.... It has to fall eventually. Unfortunately for everyone, thanks to hiring a clinically severe Cluster-B who can't ever shut.the.fuck.up., that swing is going to go far further left than it ever did right.

Keep praising the narcissistic asshole though. In 2020, will I vote for him? Yes, because I have to. Make no mistake though, you won't ever hear praise from me for this clinical example of a cluster-b asshole, as I know what the real long term effect of it will be.

+1000

[roberth]

I was looking at shooting ranges in CA to see what we might get, this is a guide to your guns and how CA interprets them.

https://www.angelesshooting.com/aw-registration/

[KS63]

This state.....I can’t

[Bailey Guns]

The dems gained the US house because of almost 40 republicans who are either retiring or running for another office...not because of Trump. As a matter of fact, Trump probably created wins for republican candidates where there were none. No other president in my lifetime has tried as hard as Trump to energize voters. The man has worked tirelessly for republicans...even those with whom he's had a testy relationship (like Cruz). Bash him all you want. His policies have been good for the country, despite the fact he's a loud mouth. I'll take a loud mouthed republican president over a democrat any time.

[Rucker61]

Just wait until 2020. Thanks to trump, our next president will be half arabic, 50% homosexual, 50% transsexual, 50% gender-ambiguous, 25% hermaphrodite, post-op man->woman lesbian in pre-op to become a man, married to a consenting pit-bull (male) who will be the first-dog whose platform will be bestiality. The president will identify 50% as native american, 50% latin american, 50% east asian, 0% arabic, be a member of the Muslim brotherhood, and declare that science should develop a disease to kill all white people. AND THEY WILL BE ELECTED. Why? Because you could run ANYTHING against Trump and they WILL win. It will be a flat-out blank check, even more so than running Hillary against (any) GOP.

Then, between 2020-2024, we are likely to lose Clarence Thomas, and for the first time in decades, the court will shift 5:4 Liberal. Where you going to move then, peeps?

The issues we are having are far above the Colorado GOP. The media WANTED Trump to get the nomination. He polled the worst against Hillary. Blew their mind when he won ANYWAY, but thing is, when you rock the pendulum hard one way, well.... It has to fall eventually. Unfortunately for everyone, thanks to hiring a clinically severe Cluster-B who can't ever shut.the.fuck.up., that swing is going to go far further left than it ever did right.

Keep praising the narcissistic asshole though. In 2020, will I vote for him? Yes, because I have to. Make no mistake though, you won't ever hear praise from me for this clinical example of a cluster-b asshole, as I know what the real long term effect of it will be.

We just have to hope that there's another opening on the Court in the next two years. And yes, continued support for Trump will bring the Republicans down long term.

[Rucker61]

The dems gained the US house because of almost 40 republicans who are either retiring or running for another office...not because of Trump. As a matter of fact, Trump probably created wins for republican candidates where there were none. No other president in my lifetime has tried as hard as Trump to energize voters. The man has worked tirelessly for republicans...even those with whom he's had a testy relationship (like Cruz). Bash him all you want. His policies have been good for the country, despite the fact he's a loud mouth. I'll take a loud mouthed republican president over a democrat any time.

Yeah, those tariffs are such a good idea. Sorry, he's a Cheeto faced shite gibbon and cause me not to vote for president for the first time since 1980. He's not good for the country.

Did you notice that the stock market is up today because Wall Street loves a split Congress?

[KAPA]

The market has been correcting itself for weeks in prep for this already. Today is the correction for that since dems didn't do as well as thought.

[Gman]

Did you notice that the stock market is up today because Wall Street loves a split Congress?
The markets have been positive following the midterms every time since the 1940's. What business likes is gridlock, because whenever the government does things, it's usually bad for business.

The House won't be able to get rid of Trump's tax breaks. The Dems don't have enough votes to override a presidential veto.

I am more concerned about this state.


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[keylay31]

We may all like most of Trump's policies, but he's a POS personally and to blame for the election results. It was all Dems needed to turn Colorado from purple to blue. Imagine if we had a respectable president with Trump's results. The US would be voting republican for decades. Instead, we have a momentary policy gain while showing all of the young millennials that are just starting to pay attention to politics that republicans have no morals.

[Rucker61]

The markets have been positive following the midterms every time since the 1940's. What business likes is gridlock, because whenever the government does things, it's usually bad for business.

The House won't be able to get rid of Trump's tax breaks. The Dems don't have enough votes to override a presidential veto.

I am more concerned about this state.


I'm more concerned about this state, too, and I'm concerned about even more tariffs from someone who doesn't seem to have a basic comprehension of macro economics.

[TRnCO]

republicans have no morals. And the Democrats do? Did you miss the Kavenaugh debacle? Seems the Dems showed their true color and being high on morals isn't their strong suit.

[buckshotbarlow]

Anybody buy themselves an election result care package?

[DDT951]

Anybody buy themselves an election result care package?

Not yet... but need to get some incoming...

[Great-Kazoo]

I moved to KS for school, but I still vote in CO. It looks like I won't be returning after I graduate. This election helped narrow down my choices of which regional airline I want to apply to. SkyWest just jumped to the top of the pile; here's hoping I can get Boise, ID or SLC as a domicile - eventually.
.


Umm having family in Boysee i can tell you, if you think denver is bad, forget that city. HEAVILY populated with CA's who have changed (in the past year) the demographic (political and economic) of the city. Housing in Boise is now close to if not surpassed Denver metro / front range for price per sq. ft. Think the summer house bidding is crazy in CO. Boise is a better have cash in hand yesterday if you want a house And... it's not slowing down like denver.

SLC itself as the surrounding area is damn proud of their home pricing. As is most of the populated areas of the state. However the housing across the country is still in an uptick economy.


I was looking at shooting ranges in CA to see what we might get, this is a guide to your guns and how CA interprets them.

https://www.angelesshooting.com/aw-registration/

Only in public high density areas of the state. The few remaining and i mean few don't care.

[GeorgeandSugar]

I'm more concerned about this state, too, and I'm concerned about even more tariffs from someone who doesn't seem to have a basic comprehension of macro economics.

Not a fan of tariffs either. I would like much more favorable business tax policy to allow manufacturers to produce more in the USA. However, Democrats oppose these. They were critical of corporate tax rate reduction. Corporation don't pay taxes. We do. They pass these costs through in the products and services we purchase. The Democrats don't have a basic comprehension of this reality.

Regulations, tax policy and legislation to encourage economic activity and expansion is not something Democrats much care about. Their solution seems to be these gimmicks and rhetoric to "target" some legislative action which from what I have seen and experienced over the years was "useless" and produced nothing at all. The stimulus Obama supported was loaded with government spending and gimmicks. GDP never took off.

Conflicts of vision: the Democrats want more "socialist" policies, hence money to spend, but criticize "capitalism," capital formation etc... which is required and necessary. While tariffs are problematic. Tax policy and the growing national debt and this attitude of people want "free stuff" at the expense of others or more borrowing.

Nevertheless, Wall Street likes gridlock and divided government. Likely works for Wall Street, but not Main Street.




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[MarkCO]

We may all like most of Trump's policies, but he's a POS personally and to blame for the election results. It was all Dems needed to turn Colorado from purple to blue. Imagine if we had a respectable president with Trump's results. The US would be voting republican for decades. Instead, we have a momentary policy gain while showing all of the young millennials that are just starting to pay attention to politics that republicans have no morals.

Bingo!

[Martinjmpr]

Well, with the house in Dem control, we can hope that the loonies in the democratic party will immediately start pushing for impeachment. That would consume all their money, time and energy and prevent them from doing more damage to the country, and since the republicans still control the senate, the dems can impeach all they want but there is zero chance of the president being convicted and removed from office, so it will all be wasted effort.

"Political capital" is a zero-sum game: The more they spend on impeachment, the less they have to spend on other crap.

[roberth]

Well, with the house in Dem control, we can hope that the loonies in the democratic party will immediately start pushing for impeachment. That would consume all their money, time and energy and prevent them from doing more damage to the country, and since the republicans still control the senate, the dems can impeach all they want but there is zero chance of the president being convicted and removed from office, so it will all be wasted effort.

"Political capital" is a zero-sum game: The more they spend on impeachment, the less they have to spend on other crap.

I was thinking the same thing.

Should I hope pelosi gets to be speaker of the house again or mad maxine waters?

[roberth]

As far as moving from CO goes...

There is no point to it from purely political considerations, the very close senate elections in Arizona and Montana are a testament to that.

You may give thanks to the enormous success the communists have experienced with infiltrating the national education system and teaching their twisted entitlement theories. In short order this entire nation will be overrun with people who don't believe in natural rights and think that government largess is the answer to every problem.

[Rucker61]

Well, with the house in Dem control, we can hope that the loonies in the democratic party will immediately start pushing for impeachment. That would consume all their money, time and energy and prevent them from doing more damage to the country, and since the republicans still control the senate, the dems can impeach all they want but there is zero chance of the president being convicted and removed from office, so it will all be wasted effort.

"Political capital" is a zero-sum game: The more they spend on impeachment, the less they have to spend on other crap.

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[Rucker61]

I was thinking the same thing.

Should I hope pelosi gets to be speaker of the house again or mad maxine waters?

I'd pay money to see Waters as SOTH.

[Martinjmpr]

I'd pay money to see Waters as SOTH.

Popcorn sales would be through the roof. :D

[MarkCO]

After reading the press release from Pelosi, I am sure of two things.

1. She did not write it.
2. I hope she follows it.

[TRnCO]

I see there's still a few that wish Hillary would've won two years ago. As bad as things are now, I can't for the life of me think it would be better with her in charge instead of Trump.

[Grant H.]

We may all like most of Trump's policies, but he's a POS personally and to blame for the election results. It was all Dems needed to turn Colorado from purple to blue. Imagine if we had a respectable president with Trump's results. The US would be voting republican for decades. Instead, we have a momentary policy gain while showing all of the young millennials that are just starting to pay attention to politics that republicans have no morals.

CO wasn't purple before last night.

CO has been a solid blue state for at least the last 2-4 years, and in reality, longer than that. Denver, Boulder, Ft Collins, and Peublo have seen to that.

Blaming Trump for this is damn near the same as chanting "not my president"...

This came about by californians moving here with money, buying into the population centers, and attracting more liberal doofuses.

It also came about due to the fact that conservatives have done little to stop the systematic destruction of the family and morals in the US for the last 30ish years. We've also done little, besides bitch, about the continuing onslaught on realistic Morals and reality in the school system. Even here on this board there were those that saw no problem with the school district bring a mentally ill freak show in on career day, to try and indoctrinate more that mental illness is to be "celebrated" and "accepted".

[Bailey Guns]

^^ Thank you.

[BushMasterBoy]

Dead brothel owner wins election! Why would you want to be in government, when you own a successful business ?


https://www.denverpost.com/2018/11/07/dead-brothel-owner-dennis-hof-wins-election/

[roberth]

Grant H for the win!

[TEAMRICO]

Grant H for Speaker of the House!!!!
Bravo!

[Skip]

+1 for Grant

Trump is bigger than Trump. Libs wouldn’t respect anyone other than a good loser.

[.455_Hunter]

CO wasn't purple before last night.

CO has been a solid blue state for at least the last 2-4 years, and in reality, longer than that. Denver, Boulder, Ft Collins, and Peublo have seen to that.

Blaming Trump for this is damn near the same as chanting "not my president"...

This came about by californians moving here with money, buying into the population centers, and attracting more liberal doofuses.

It also came about due to the fact that conservatives have done little to stop the systematic destruction of the family and morals in the US for the last 30ish years. We've also done little, besides bitch, about the continuing onslaught on realistic Morals and reality in the school system. Even here on this board there were those that saw no problem with the school district bring a mentally ill freak show in on career day, to try and indoctrinate more that mental illness is to be "celebrated" and "accepted".

Yes. The thing that made Colorado a great state was a pragmatic electorate that generally favored split government. This was usually manifested by a D governor (Owens is the only R governor in my lifetime) and a mixed crew of statewide office holders plus the R's controlling at least one branch of the legislature. This mostly kept the stupid under control.

[clodhopper]

Dead brothel owner wins election! Why would you want to be in government, when you own a successful business ?

Self described as the "Trump from Pahrump".



Trump is bigger than Trump. Libs wouldn?t respect anyone other than a good loser.

Trump is as much, or more, a boogeyman to the left than a real adversary. Part of why his ability to tie them in knots is so funny.

[Bailey Guns]

9 of 11 senate candidates that Trump campaigned for won...some that all polls said the democrat had all but locked up the race. Trump and republicans kicked ass and took names in the senate races.

40 republican house candidates retired or otherwise moved on. Incumbents are re-elected at a rate of 98%. When you consider the odds against republicans it's a minor miracle the democrats only gained 27 or 28 seats. In 2010, midway thru Obama's first term, republicans gained 63 seats in the house.

The republican party might be irrelevant if it weren't for Trump. Frankly, I don't give a rat's ass if he's rude, crude or tweets a lot. He knows what's at stake for this country. Apparently a lot of other people don't.

[MarkCO]

^^Truth.

[Joe_K]

I wonder what the ratio is of liberals moving in and conservatives moving out. Douglas County where I reside only had 60% of eligible voters show up at the polls. Not sure if we need more people to vote or less.


?For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;?
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:5‬ ‭

[Bailey Guns]

Umm having family in Boysee i can tell you, if you think denver is bad, forget that city. HEAVILY populated with CA's who have changed (in the past year) the demographic (political and economic) of the city. Housing in Boise is now close to if not surpassed Denver metro / front range for price per sq. ft. Think the summer house bidding is crazy in CO. Boise is a better have cash in hand yesterday if you want a house And... it's not slowing down like denver.

Somebody's giving you some bad information:


The average price of a single-family home sold in metro Denver reached $502,986 in February, up 2.5 percent from January and 11.8 percent from February 2017.


The median price of an Ada County house is almost $300,000 today, according to Boise Regional Realtors.

I can't speak for just the city of Boise, but in Ada county, where Boise is located, registered republicans outnumber democrats by almost a 3 to 1 margin. Hell...unaffiliated voters outnumber dems over 2 to 1. According to the SoS website the democrat governor candidate won in Ada county by about 1%. However, many other republicans won in Ada county. Statewide the republican governor won by a 60% to 38% margin. The republican US House candidate won 61 to 33 percent in Ada county.

I'm not denying that "foreigners" are moving into the state but as of right now they aren't having much effect on the political climate. Democrat candidates stand almost no chance of winning a major statewide election, and even less at winning a national level election, in almost the entire state. There are a few places, but not many. In Latah County (Moscow, ID) the republican state senator lost to a dem, but the incumbent democrat state representative lost to a republican. Democrats are practically irrelevant in the Idaho statehouse.

When I first moved to CO back in 89 it was much like it is here now. I miss those days and I'm very sad for a once very great state to have been taken over by progressives.

ETA: I might add that Idaho is another one of the very conservative-voting states that voted to expand Medicaid...overwhelmingly. There are just some things I don't get.

[Justin]

Yeah, those tariffs are such a good idea. Sorry, he's a Cheeto faced shite gibbon and cause me not to vote for president for the first time since 1980. He's not good for the country.

Did you notice that the stock market is up today because Wall Street loves a split Congress?


Orange man bad.

[Honey Badger282.8]

Umm having family in Boysee i can tell you, if you think denver is bad, forget that city. HEAVILY populated with CA's who have changed (in the past year) the demographic (political and economic) of the city. Housing in Boise is now close to if not surpassed Denver metro / front range for price per sq. ft. Think the summer house bidding is crazy in CO. Boise is a better have cash in hand yesterday if you want a house And... it's not slowing down like denver.

SLC itself as the surrounding area is damn proud of their home pricing. As is most of the populated areas of the state. However the housing across the country is still in an uptick economy.

I can deal with an expensive blue enclave in a sea of red. I just want to be within driving distance of the airport. Boise and SLC sure beat Philly, KC, or LaGuardia.

[RblDiver]

Has anyone on here who complains about dems voting the party line, EVER voted for a Dem?

I haven't, but I'm just curious.

I don't think I've voted for a Dem, but in 2016 I voted for someone other than Trump (and Hillary, obviously) for prez :P

[RblDiver]

Where you going to move then, peeps?

Liberland. I'm about 50% of the way to citizenship >.>

[BlasterBob]

Here I thought our State of Illinois gun laws were just a tad better than those of Colorado. That changed quickly with a Democrat being elected as Illinois Governor. Won?t be long before former Illinois Governor, Rod Blagovich(sp) will have a much deserved cell mate out in the CO Super MAX.... [Jail]

[Zundfolge]

I wonder what the ratio is of liberals moving in and conservatives moving out. Douglas County where I reside only had 60% of eligible voters show up at the polls. Not sure if we need more people to vote or less.‭

Since the legalization of Marijuana we've had more than a quarter million people move here. I have met many of our new neighbors and not a single one of them is a Republican (even the Texans ... we seem to be emptying Travis County, TX as fast as we can). During the same time I've known a dozen or so people who left CO in the last few years and every single one of them was a Republican.

Polis was part of the original gang of leftists that ran "The Blueprint" (https://www.amazon.com/Blueprint-Democrats-Colorado-Republicans-Everywhere-ebook/dp/B003KN3IXA) on Colorado. And while there's a handful of things the D's have done to increase their chances over the R's, legalization of weed was probably the final straw (a pox on all you "libertarians" that voted for that shit).

I will state for the record now that I predict that there will never, for the rest of human history, be another Republican governor here in Colorado, nor will the Republicans ever control either house of the legislature. Every session from here to the end of the Republic will be filled with more schemes to maintain and increase the Democrat's control over the state, and to make the lives of all but the most extreme and richest leftists hell.

Colorado is now solidly East California. And I don't care what gun control they pass, I refuse to comply ... at some point that will likely cause my ouster here on this forum but so be it.

I'm currently working a temporary job that lasts until mid December ... I can afford to coast for a few months after that so I think the house is going up for sale in the spring and I'm going to start looking for work elsewhere. So far we're looking at Casper WY and Rapid City SD.

Of course I can't go back to Kansas because they just elected a far leftist as governor (but wouldn't move back there ever for a long list of reasons that have nothing to do with politics).

I also keep telling myself that the D take over of the US House is ultimately going to work in our favor ... but I could very well be lying to myself so I don't completely lose hope.



The giant meteor or Russian EMP attack can't come soon enough.

[Ridge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FjWe31S_0g

[hurley842002]

Only 6 more months until I'm eligible to put my paperwork in for promotion to another location, to hell with Colorado!

[Grant H.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FjWe31S_0g

That little diddy has been a staple in our company.

Makes a great exit when leaving stupid projects...

Always funny.

[Grant H.]

Since the legalization of Marijuana we've had more than a quarter million people move here. I have met many of our new neighbors and not a single one of them is a Republican (even the Texans ... we seem to be emptying Travis County, TX as fast as we can). During the same time I've known a dozen or so people who left CO in the last few years and every single one of them was a Republican.

Polis was part of the original gang of leftists that ran "The Blueprint" (https://www.amazon.com/Blueprint-Democrats-Colorado-Republicans-Everywhere-ebook/dp/B003KN3IXA) on Colorado. And while there's a handful of things the D's have done to increase their chances over the R's, legalization of weed was probably the final straw (a pox on all you "libertarians" that voted for that shit).

I will state for the record now that I predict that there will never, for the rest of human history, be another Republican governor here in Colorado, nor will the Republicans ever control either house of the legislature. Every session from here to the end of the Republic will be filled with more schemes to maintain and increase the Democrat's control over the state, and to make the lives of all but the most extreme and richest leftists hell.

Colorado is now solidly East California. And I don't care what gun control they pass, I refuse to comply ... at some point that will likely cause my ouster here on this forum but so be it.

I'm currently working a temporary job that lasts until mid December ... I can afford to coast for a few months after that so I think the house is going up for sale in the spring and I'm going to start looking for work elsewhere. So far we're looking at Casper WY and Rapid City SD.

Of course I can't go back to Kansas because they just elected a far leftist as governor (but wouldn't move back there ever for a long list of reasons that have nothing to do with politics).

I also keep telling myself that the D take over of the US House is ultimately going to work in our favor ... but I could very well be lying to myself so I don't completely lose hope.



The giant meteor or Russian EMP attack can't come soon enough.

Major cities would be the worst hit.

Most of the libtards live in major cities.

Hmmm...

Makes one wonder.

(Sorry, I know it's dark, couldn't resist)

On a more serious note, I agree. Weed has been severely detrimental to this state. Not just on the political front either. It's getting freaking hard to find a useful part of society that can pass random drug tests.

Yeah, CO is Eastern CA, and will only progress further down the trail that CA has blazed. It's going to get really ugly...

[Skip]

There are always options but I have to say, we are kidding ourselves if we think we can outrun tyranny in 2018. It will find you unless you are willing to do hard things.

You think this state is a prize? It's not. The prize is the governable people who produce more value than they consume: YOU. And there will always be a long line of people who claim ownership of you because they need you to stay in power.



And while there's a handful of things the D's have done to increase their chances over the R's, legalization of weed was probably the final straw (a pox on all you "libertarians" that voted for that shit).

[snip]

Yup.

Another of those "in principle, not a bad idea" but applied = disaster.

FL just did that with felon voting rights and they too will likely be a blue state given the margins we just last night.

[Bailey Guns]

Major cities would be the worst hit.

Most of the libtards live in major cities.

Hmmm...

Makes one wonder.

Yes, yes it does. (Rushes out to shop to see if materials are available to build a nuclear device and a launch vehicle. Mopes back into house.)

Dammit...

[Eric P]

Yes, yes it does. (Rushes out to shop to see if materials are available to build a nuclear device and a launch vehicle. Mopes back into house.)

Dammit...

Large enough capacitor or transformer can work. No need for nuclear material.

[Bailey Guns]

Yeah...I didn't see anything like that out there, either.

[Great-Kazoo]

Somebody's giving you some bad information: My cousin who is a large contractor and real estate investor. Who sees hard cash coming in over bidding on shit hole meth lab homes just to plow it down, then build over priced homes on lots the city/ bank wouldn't bother foreclosing on.





I can't speak for just the city of Boise, Once again i can with ^^ see above direct info. WE saw some of it last year during our stay in Boise. The rest of ID is sparse enough and spread out to (for now) curtail the CA influx. For now.

I'm not denying that "foreigners" are moving into the state but as of right now they aren't having much effect on the political climate. Democrat candidates stand almost no chance of winning a major statewide election, and even less at winning a national level election, in almost the entire state. There are a few places, but not many. In Latah County (Moscow, ID) the republican state senator lost to a dem, but the incumbent democrat state representative lost to a republican. Democrats are practically irrelevant in the Idaho statehouse.

So was CO. It was only Boulder who was the leftist fringe. Migrated to Denver, up through Ft Collins and parts of greeley (See D. Dave Young) along with when a majority of weld cty residents (unfortunately) Vote NO on separating from the state of CO.


When I first moved to CO back in 89 it was much like it is here now. I miss those days and I'm very sad for a once very great state to have been taken over by progressives.

ETA: I might add that Idaho is another one of the very conservative-voting states that voted to expand Medicaid...overwhelmingly. There are just some things I don't get.



Thank the people who want that security blanket as they age.


I agree ID isn't going blue anytime soon. However, like AZ, that slow influx of locust will one day be large enough to ask. WTF happened. By that time i'll be old enough to forget what my name, or if the nurse changed my depends, is to care.

[GeorgeandSugar]

The demographics are against us. As Democrats leave one place for obvious reasons and come here and elsewhere, their politics follow. Eventually, they will muck it up again.

As others have said, CO likely won't see another Republican governor and the legislature will be a toss-up at best.

As far as, Trump. He likely will be the last Republican for president in my lifetime. I hope I am wrong. IMHO, what he accomplished in 2016 was remarkable. Although we had good candidates, none could have convinced voters that Trump captured to have voted for any of them.

While some on this forum have complained about his tone, crudeness etc... His tone and crudeness is no less as pathetic as what you hear on the other networks. I can't say whether, if he did tone it down it would help him any. Ever since his election, many have had it in for him.

He is the only one fighting for the life and soul of this nation. Filling the courts with conservative judges will be his greatness achievement and lasting legacy.

Unfortunately, as said on this forum. Some Americans don't understand what is at stake. Civic duty for the devil in disguise? "Useful idiots" doing what they have been programmed to do. Allowing "leftists germination" to take hold in school, government etc.... might be our doing in.


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[BPTactical]

Id rather have the "Tone" and "crudeness" of Trump.
He is honest in his words, speaks matter of factly.
Sick and tired of the polished liars that are "Politicians"

[GilpinGuy]

I can care less for what Trump says. It's what he does that matters, and I'm sure many of you have seen the list of accomplishments. The Supreme Court judges....gigantic.
Is he my favorite person? No, but I don't care about that if he gets the job done.

And yeah, this state is hosed.

[Justin]

Orange man bad!

[BushMasterBoy]

Well I hope this state administration does better at controlling forest fires than the outgoing one. I have to have air to breath. The smoke has given me extreme migraines. The fires need to be hosed.

[DDT951]

Well I hope this state administration does better at controlling forest fires than the outgoing one. I have to have air to breath. The smoke has given me extreme migraines. The fires need to be hosed.

Wow.

This is my opinion. Take it for what you paid for it.

I think part of the problem with wildfires is that we try and control nature too much.

Right now there is too much beetle kill. Go for a drive in the mountains. It has just been getting worse and worse. Beetle kill makes nice dry, dead trees ready to burn. In the past, forest fires burned this down and help control the spread of the beetles. Now, we dont want fires because they threaten structures and towns. So we fight them. And the beetle kill spreads giving more fuel. And then bigger fires. And then more calls to stop fires.

Ironically lodge pole pine requires fire to make new trees.

https://csfs.colostate.edu/colorado-forests/forest-types/lodgepole-pine/

"These long-lived cones may remain viable for decades, waiting for a fire to release their seeds. The prolific regeneration that naturally occurs in the open, sunny areas left in the fire?s wake often results in dense stands of 20,000 or more trees per acre. "


It is simply that decades to us is unacceptable to have forested area without trees because we only live about 7 or 8 decades.

But to the forest, a fire where the trees will regrow is part of the long cycle.

We have no patience and dont want to accept that we cannot control nature.

Maybe the solution is not to build houses in the forest? Or if a person builds a house in the forest, understand that the risk of doing so is a potential fire that occurs naturally and the trade off for that nice house in the forest is that you may or may not lose it to a fire. It should be between the property owner and their insurance as to the risk they want to take. The public shouldnt be on the hook for choices made by people to build in areas where fire occur.

[BushMasterBoy]

I'm talking about air quality, not living in the forest. I live on the high plains. Even the smoke from other states is really bad. Either you control nature, or it controls you. Quit drinking the DDT.

[Grant H.]

Wow.

This is my opinion. Take it for what you paid for it.

I think part of the problem with wildfires is that we try and control nature too much.

Right now there is too much beetle kill. Go for a drive in the mountains. It has just been getting worse and worse. Beetle kill makes nice dry, dead trees ready to burn. In the past, forest fires burned this down and help control the spread of the beetles. Now, we dont want fires because they threaten structures and towns. So we fight them. And the beetle kill spreads giving more fuel. And then bigger fires. And then more calls to stop fires.

Ironically lodge pole pine requires fire to make new trees.

https://csfs.colostate.edu/colorado-forests/forest-types/lodgepole-pine/

"These long-lived cones may remain viable for decades, waiting for a fire to release their seeds. The prolific regeneration that naturally occurs in the open, sunny areas left in the fire?s wake often results in dense stands of 20,000 or more trees per acre. "


It is simply that decades to us is unacceptable to have forested area without trees because we only live about 7 or 8 decades.

But to the forest, a fire where the trees will regrow is part of the long cycle.

We have no patience and dont want to accept that we cannot control nature.

Maybe the solution is not to build houses in the forest? Or if a person builds a house in the forest, understand that the risk of doing so is a potential fire that occurs naturally and the trade off for that nice house in the forest is that you may or may not lose it to a fire. It should be between the property owner and their insurance as to the risk they want to take. The public shouldnt be on the hook for choices made by people to build in areas where fire occur.

FYI -

Beetle kill actually makes the spread of fire less aggressive. Dead trees burn well, in their one little spot.

Sure, the dead trees can light a little easier, but a dead forest doens't burn with anywhere near the heat and intensity, and propensity for crowning, jumping tree top to tree top, or other such phenomenons that cause forest fires to grow quickly.

[Grant H.]

Well I hope this state administration does better at controlling forest fires than the outgoing one. I have to have air to breath. The smoke has given me extreme migraines. The fires need to be hosed.

You're funny.

The incoming state administration is all googly eyed for "green" everything, and will likely work to remove humans from the forests, and "let nature take control", which will result in more fires, worse smoke, and higher costs.

[UrbanWolf]

Well I hope this state administration does better at controlling forest fires than the outgoing one. I have to have air to breath. The smoke has given me extreme migraines. The fires need to be hosed.

Good luck with that, all those beetle kills are ready firewood ready for the spark.

[Irving]

There are some pictures floating around of a lone house on the beach that held up pretty well during hurricane Michael. Same deal, poured concrete, metal roof. Supposedly built to withstand 240mph winds. I can't confirm that part though.

[Grant H.]

Poured concrete homes with metal roofs and a setback from trees would probably do pretty well to the point where you could just let a fire burn. Friend of mine over here (well-known shooter) had his home concrete poured a couple decades ago, and then did a 60 ton concrete pour for a pad with proper plumbing setup, mathematically calculated to heat up / cool down to provide alternating passive heat/cool to the home, effective to the point they never needed climate control of any kind 98% of the time. I wish in retrospect I'd taken better look to see how all that worked - obviously the weight is for 12 hour cycles - taking 12 hours to heat up (daytime) drawing heat from the house/sun, then 12 hours to cool down, providing heat to the house at night. The hardware though is what I wished I'd paid attention to.

Suffice to say, that shit would survive a close forest fire a hurricane and a tornado all on the same day. More expensive to build... but much cheaper in the long term, from cooling/heating alone, even more so in disaster prone areas.

Agreed.

The number of highly flammable houses in the mountains, with firewood stacked next to them, and no clearance to the trees is astounding.

[Justin]

I know a guy who lost his house in the Black Forest fire. The new one that he built utilized concrete siding that, from the outside, looks like wood. It's pretty cool.

[mahabali]

Did this really turn in to a forest fire conversation

[Irving]

Did this really turn in to a forest fire conversation

Since every other thread ends up talking about how much everyone hates the Democratic Party or murdering immigrants, this is a fresh and exciting change!

[Gman]

Did this really turn in to a forest fire conversation

You already know the answer to your question.

[UrbanWolf]

Did this really turn in to a forest fire conversation

This state is on fire, hose it. [Swim]

[Skip]

Since every other thread ends up talking about how much everyone hates the Democratic Party or murdering immigrants, this is a fresh and exciting change!

Well, this escalated quickly.

[Irving]

Okay okay, that specific example only happened once.

[stevew]

I did this last time but it was a mistake, would be nice if they had consistent ordering for Dem and Rep on the ballot :) Luckily it was for a a race that didn't matter much!


Has anyone on here who complains about dems voting the party line, EVER voted for a Dem?

I haven't, but I'm just curious.

[Joe_K]

Slightly off topic, but this is what the good folks in Washington State are dealing with. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181112/b8d07408d23c9231f5a0d88cde6dad2d.jpg


?For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;?
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:5‬ ‭

[beast556]

Slightly off topic, but this is what the good folks in Washington State are dealing with. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181112/b8d07408d23c9231f5a0d88cde6dad2d.jpg


?For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;?
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:5‬ ‭

We will be in the same boat very soon!!!

[ben4372]

Funny that the Washington vote didn't really get people talking. It is a terrible law for gun owners. I'd say its even more aggressive than CA. It did in one vote what took California a decade or more. I was also thinking the 3D printing guy is all but gone too. Good to see California mindset is spreading. I used to think I'd move to Texas to escape. Seems they're infected too.

[Will1776]

Funny that the Washington vote didn't really get people talking. It is a terrible law for gun owners. I'd say its even more aggressive than CA. It did in one vote what took California a decade or more. I was also thinking the 3D printing guy is all but gone too. Good to see California mindset is spreading. I used to think I'd move to Texas to escape. Seems they're infected too.

No way it's more aggressive than CA. They can still build lowers into regular rifles or convert ARs back to normal from manual or buy complete normal AR pistols. CA has insane feature bans and no legal AR pistols unless fixed 10 round magazine.

[roberth]

Funny that the Washington vote didn't really get people talking. It is a terrible law for gun owners. I'd say its even more aggressive than CA. It did in one vote what took California a decade or more. I was also thinking the 3D printing guy is all but gone too. Good to see California mindset is spreading. I used to think I'd move to Texas to escape. Seems they're infected too.

There is no point in moving anywhere for purely political reasons, the federal communist education system has outrun you.

AZ, ID, MT are all gradually turning blue. The major cities in those states will control the politics for all of the surrounding areas, just like here in CO.

[GeorgeandSugar]

There is no point in moving anywhere for purely political reasons, the federal communist education system has outrun you.

AZ, ID, MT are all gradually turning blue. The major cities in those states will control the politics for all of the surrounding areas, just like here in CO.

We are considering leaving and moving away. The problem is where to move too. Partly is a favorable gun environment and partly to avoid being trapped in a left leaning government smothered by government taxes, mandates, and other nonsense leading to a CA-like state.[emoji15]


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[roberth]

We are considering leaving and moving away. The problem is where to move too. Partly is a favorable gun environment and partly to avoid being trapped in a left leaning government smothered by government taxes, mandates, and other nonsense leading to a CA-like state.[emoji15]

I want to move in a few years, AZ is first pick but with the problems they're having electing McSally over that wretched communist bitch tells us that AZ is turning too.

[GeorgeandSugar]

I want to move in a few years, AZ is first pick but with the problems they're having electing McSally over that wretched communist bitch tells us that AZ is turning too.

Actually that is where my wife wants to move too. I feel the same way. Moving and then seeing the state go purple and possibly blue is a slap in the face. Going to speak to Great-Kazoo about life in AZ.


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[roberth]

Actually that is where my wife wants to move too. I feel the same way. Moving and then seeing the state go purple and possibly blue is a slap in the face. Going to speak to Great-Kazoo about life in AZ.

Kazoo is an excellent source, we're looking at Chino Valley, Cottonwood, and other smaller towns around there.

[roberth]

Listening to the radio this morning, full of gloom and doom for my beautiful Colorado.

You (D) can fuck off and die.

[Great-Kazoo]

Actually that is where my wife wants to move too. I feel the same way. Moving and then seeing the state go purple and possibly blue is a slap in the face. Going to speak to Great-Kazoo about life in AZ.


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Kazoo is an excellent source, we're looking at Chino Valley, Cottonwood, and other smaller towns around there.

The guest house should be available in late jan. Hopefully by then the shop would have been built. Started networking with a few people been shooting with.
If Sinema gets the win, there's still the .guv as a veto power locally. Nationally everyone is fuked.

Like ID there's enough space and small towns that offer a good buffer between leftist freeshit and reality. However either choice is farrrrrrr better than CO.
One has to decide what environment they want weather and as needed work wise.

[ChickNorris]

Admittedly I browsed home listings in AZ yesterday.

[Great-Kazoo]

Admittedly I browsed home listings in AZ yesterday.

where ?

[MarkCO]

AZ, ID, and TX will all follow in COs path to Liberalism. It does not take a lot of effort to look at the R v. D voting numbers over the years and see the obvious trends.

[ChickNorris]

North Tucson

[.455_Hunter]

You guys are kidding yourselves if you don't think that AZ is right in the cross hairs of the various gun control and other leftist groups.

[O2HeN2]

Save your money, as of January, 2021 it won't matter where you move.

Growing up I always wondered how Germany was able to manufacture such hatred for Jews that people were willing to kill them or at the very minimum, look the other way while they were killed. I wonder no longer.

As for Colorado specifically, Bloomberg finally managed to buy a state, something no one else in history has owned before.

Come January, 2019 what we'll see won't be gun control in this state, it will be revenge and punishment against gun owners. Nothing less.

...and then it'll come to a nation near you in 2021.

O2

[ChickNorris]

[Snip]

Too much info.

[Gman]

At some point I expect the Feds to go full retard and it won't matter where you live. They'll dictate your existence. The Feds wiped their collective butts with the Constitution and the states have allowed the usurpation of their sovereignty decades ago.

...and for some reason, about 1/2 the population seems to want it that way.

SMH

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[Aloha_Shooter]

Democrats are already on record pushing for federal laws, regulations, and mandates to override state laws. It doesn't matter where you move to, they are pushing to dumb down the indoctrination educations system, force government "services" (and accompanying regulations) on the citizenry, and putting all power in the hands of unelected bureaucracy. This is like dealing with a wildfire, you don't fight it by running, you have to choose your ground, build firebreaks, and FIGHT it. We should have been using the Bush years to keep undercutting the Democrat takeover of universities, law schools, entertainment, etc. but we're at where we're at and fleeing to another state isn't going to fix it.

[10x]

This is a depressing thread. I don't like what is happening one bit. I don't know what to do about it.

[Irving]

This is a depressing thread. I don't like what is happening one bit. I don't know what to do about it.

If you view the world through a narrow enough window, anything can seem terrible. Broaden your perspective.

[Skip]

At some point I expect the Feds to go full retard and it won't matter where you live. They'll dictate your existence. The Feds wiped their collective butts with the Constitution and the states have allowed the usurpation of their sovereignty decades ago.

...and for some reason, about 1/2 the population seems to want it that way.

SMH

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They need it that way. Complete control is the only way to efficiently allocate resources (to good Comrades) and prevent the bad people from having any power to pushback against social, economic, and racial justice.

I think more and more people are waking up to the bad choice that lies ahead.

[ben4372]

...and for some reason, about 1/2 the population seems to want it that way.

Funny. Isn't half about the population that works for the government. Then you have all the businesses that get much money from government contracts. The entitlement people seem to want it too. Now that I thought about it. I'm gonna say 3/4 of the people want it.

Sounds crazy but what if this is AI's first move? That would be awesome.

[roberth]

They need it that way. Complete control is the only way to efficiently allocate resources (to good Comrades) and prevent the bad people from having any power to pushback against social, economic, and racial justice.

I think more and more people are waking up to the bad choice that lies ahead.

Yes, they need it that way because of their horribly flawed education at the hands of the federal government. They can't get good jobs and they think they're entitled to our paychecks.


I think more and more people are waking up to the bad choice that lies ahead.

The CO, FL, AZ, MT, and US House of Representative elections certainly do not reflect this.

[Bailey Guns]

I don't understand the mentality that assumes someone moves because they're running from something. At all.

In our case we were running towards something: better economic opportunities, higher standard of living, a better environment in terms of congestion and traffic, better retirement options, less government intrusion into or lives and a political atmosphere that more closely mirrors our beliefs.

In Colorado, what and how are you really gonna fight the progressive infection? Sure, you can vote and lobby in the statehouse...we know how far that got us in 2013. But what else are you going to do? Sorry, but that's a little too cliche for me to really take seriously.

ID may turn blue...eventually. But with the population and demographics its gonna be a long, long time. This state cant really be compared to AZ or TX. In the meantime I can live a comfortable life in a far better environment.

I don't begrudge anyone wanting to do something to better their situation. If that means staying where you are, so be it. If it means moving, that's entirely up to you.

[CS1983]

I don't understand the mentality that assumes someone moves because they're running from something. At all.

In our case we were running towards something: better economic opportunities, higher standard of living, a better environment in terms of congestion and traffic, better retirement options, less government intrusion into or lives and a political atmosphere that more closely mirrors our beliefs.

In Colorado, what and how are you really gonna fight the progressive infection? Sure, you can vote and lobby in the statehouse...we know how far that got us in 2013. But what else are you going to do? Sorry, but that's a little too cliche for me to really take seriously.

ID may turn blue...eventually. But with the population and demographics its gonna be a long, long time. This state cant really be compared to AZ or TX. In the meantime I can live a comfortable life in a far better environment.

I don't begrudge anyone wanting to do something to better their situation. If that means staying where you are, so be it. If it means moving, that's entirely up to you.

+1 exactly.

One reason we are looking so hard at Oklahoma is we can get places with 10-20 acres, a good house, and still end up with a lower mortgage.

Even if we move and I take a pay cut, this remains a viable option.

Currently, we are priced out of our own neighborhood if we were to sell here and then buy within COS. All the options for land are on the plains, and they are usually a modular (which VA won't finance), and don't have nearly the features of what we see in Oklahoma (nice outbuildings, creek through property, etc.). Plus, in OK, you can hunt on your own land. No stupid GMU rigmarole like in CO.

[Great-Kazoo]

North Tucson

APS (AZ) utility is proud of their electric rates. Tucson all the way up to almost the black canyon area stays wayyy too hot in the summer for us. This areas weather is (today ) is like a brisk CO fall with temps in the mid 60's Hottest we've seen it the last two years , between visiting and making the move, is high 90's daytime, 60's at night. Unless there's employment opportunities not sure why people look at tucson.


You guys are kidding yourselves if you don't think that AZ is right in the cross hairs of the various gun control and other leftist groups.


Every state is in the cross hairs, just depends how serious or apathetic the voters are. One is kidding them self if they believe their state or county isn't headed left of center, eventually. The leftist plague is well organized, well financed and well off their rocker.


I don't understand the mentality that assumes someone moves because they're running from something. At all.

In our case we were running towards something: better economic opportunities, higher standard of living, a better environment in terms of congestion and traffic, better retirement options, less government intrusion into or lives and a political atmosphere that more closely mirrors our beliefs.

In the meantime I can live a comfortable life in a far better environment.

I don't begrudge anyone wanting to do something to better their situation. If that means staying where you are, so be it. If it means moving, that's entirely up to you.


That's how & why we ended up in n. central AZ. The spouse said after 45 yrs, she was done shoveling snow. That took ID off the map, but still doesn't prevent us from having a summer place up there. Family has a lot of land up in McCall area, til then we're here.

[GeorgeandSugar]

+1 exactly.

One reason we are looking so hard at Oklahoma is we can get places with 10-20 acres, a good house, and still end up with a lower mortgage.

Even if we move and I take a pay cut, this remains a viable option.

Currently, we are priced out of our own neighborhood if we were to sell here and then buy within COS. All the options for land are on the plains, and they are usually a modular (which VA won't finance), and don't have nearly the features of what we see in Oklahoma (nice outbuildings, creek through property, etc.). Plus, in OK, you can hunt on your own land. No stupid GMU rigmarole like in CO.

Where in OK are you considering? I've looked only with a passing thought and that was in the panhandle area.


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[Bailey Guns]

I almost bought a HUGE house in OK (don't remember exactly where) back in the early 80s when I was still in the military. My in-laws at the time owned an oil field equipment leasing business down there and we were visiting. We found this house, over 5000 sq ft, brick, very nice, detached 4 car garage on about 40 acres if I recall correctly that was listed for some ridiculous price like $38,000. Gives you an idea of how low the energy business got at the time. I don't know if it's good or bad that I didn't buy it. Wish I could find something like that now.

[CS1983]

Where in OK are you considering? I've looked only with a passing thought and that was in the panhandle area.


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Tulsa/Bartlesville area.

[Skip]

[snip]

The CO, FL, AZ, MT, and US House of Representative elections certainly do not reflect this.

The polarization isn't perfectly 50/50 but it's ramping up.

Balkanization is next and where many in this thread instinctively went. I'm not blaming anyone for thinking it, I just don't understand the strategy unless you have a state that will spill blood at its borders over principle and/or take effective measures to firewall itself from Lib locusts. The hooks are already into every state on my map.

[hurley842002]

Off topic, but since we are talking about new places to live, and AZ has come up, McSally just conceded to Sinema fu$%!

[Great-Kazoo]

Off topic, but since we are talking about new places to live, and AZ has come up, McSally just conceded to Sinema fu$%!

Up side is we still have a R .guv. My take away from the mid terms is. No matter what the r or d ran on. I didn't see 1 positive ad explaining why that person was worthy of my vote.

Now to start prepping for the 2020 election ad cycle.

[hurley842002]

No matter what the r or d ran on. I didn't see 1 positive ad explaining why that person was worthy of my vote.

Wife and I were talking about this in the days leading up to the election, it's like a foreign concept these days to explain the positive in voting for a candidate, just negative everywhere.

[Bailey Guns]

Off topic, but since we are talking about new places to live, and AZ has come up, McSally just conceded to Sinema fu$%!

I've been mocked and berated right on this forum for stating I believe that voting for your party is far more important than voting for the person. AZ election results from last week are a perfect illustration of why I believe that to be true (though there are numerous examples every election cycle if one cares to look).

Latest numbers show 1,287,831 registered republicans vs 1,150,136 registered democrats. 1,236,201 are "Other".

Look at the AZ governor's race between Ducey and Garcia and the US Senate race between McSally/Sinema:

Total votes cast in the gov race was (as of 5:45pm tonight) 2,155,731. Total votes cast in the senate race was 2,156,445. These are R and D votes only. There were 714 more votes counted in the senate race...so, considering the numbers the counted vote totals are very close.

Sinema, the democrat, won by a 49.7% to 48% margin.

In the governor's race, Ducey, the republican, won by a 56.4% to 41.5% margin. Not even close.

I know this isn't a scientific breakdown of votes and I know the "other" voters contributed. The point is, somebody sure as hell crossed over from voting for a R gov to a D senator. And not a run-of-the-mill democrat, either. Sinema is a full-blown Marxist of the worst kind. For the life of me I don't know how someone comes to the conclusion they'll vote for a very conservative governor and a communist senator. If the same people that voted for Ducey had voted for McSally she would've won easily.

[BPTactical]

Maybe Arizona still had a bad taste of "Mc" in their gullet....

[Great-Kazoo]

I've been mocked and berated right on this forum for stating I believe that voting for your party is far more important than voting for the person. AZ election results from last week are a perfect illustration of why I believe that to be true (though there are numerous examples every election cycle if one cares to look).

Latest numbers show 1,287,831 registered republicans vs 1,150,136 registered democrats. 1,236,201 are "Other".

Look at the AZ governor's race between Ducey and Garcia and the US Senate race between McSally/Sinema:

Total votes cast in the gov race was (as of 5:45pm tonight) 2,155,731. Total votes cast in the senate race was 2,156,445. These are R and D votes only. There were 714 more votes counted in the senate race...so, considering the numbers the counted vote totals are very close.

Sinema, the democrat, won by a 49.7% to 48% margin.

In the governor's race, Ducey, the republican, won by a 56.4% to 41.5% margin. Not even close.

I know this isn't a scientific breakdown of votes and I know the "other" voters contributed. The point is, somebody sure as hell crossed over from voting for a R gov to a D senator. And not a run-of-the-mill democrat, either. Sinema is a full-blown Marxist of the worst kind. For the life of me I don't know how someone comes to the conclusion they'll vote for a very conservative governor and a communist senator. If the same people that voted for Ducey had voted for McSally she would've won easily.

Not sure how it happened. Similar to CO going way blue, yet the same demographic voted NO on a lot of tax items.




Maybe Arizona still had a bad taste of "Mc" in their gullet....

Come on man. You're Flaking out on us, again

[roberth]

I've been mocked and berated right on this forum for stating I believe that voting for your party is far more important than voting for the person. AZ election results from last week are a perfect illustration of why I believe that to be true (though there are numerous examples every election cycle if one cares to look).

Latest numbers show 1,287,831 registered republicans vs 1,150,136 registered democrats. 1,236,201 are "Other".

Look at the AZ governor's race between Ducey and Garcia and the US Senate race between McSally/Sinema:

Total votes cast in the gov race was (as of 5:45pm tonight) 2,155,731. Total votes cast in the senate race was 2,156,445. These are R and D votes only. There were 714 more votes counted in the senate race...so, considering the numbers the counted vote totals are very close.

Sinema, the democrat, won by a 49.7% to 48% margin.

In the governor's race, Ducey, the republican, won by a 56.4% to 41.5% margin. Not even close.

I know this isn't a scientific breakdown of votes and I know the "other" voters contributed. The point is, somebody sure as hell crossed over from voting for a R gov to a D senator. And not a run-of-the-mill democrat, either. Sinema is a full-blown Marxist of the worst kind. For the life of me I don't know how someone comes to the conclusion they'll vote for a very conservative governor and a communist senator. If the same people that voted for Ducey had voted for McSally she would've won easily.

Thanks for the stats. I highly doubt the same people who voted for Ducey voted for sinema. Very fishy...

[GeorgeandSugar]

I've been mocked and berated right on this forum for stating I believe that voting for your party is far more important than voting for the person. AZ election results from last week are a perfect illustration of why I believe that to be true (though there are numerous examples every election cycle if one cares to look).

Latest numbers show 1,287,831 registered republicans vs 1,150,136 registered democrats. 1,236,201 are "Other".

Look at the AZ governor's race between Ducey and Garcia and the US Senate race between McSally/Sinema:

Total votes cast in the gov race was (as of 5:45pm tonight) 2,155,731. Total votes cast in the senate race was 2,156,445. These are R and D votes only. There were 714 more votes counted in the senate race...so, considering the numbers the counted vote totals are very close.

Sinema, the democrat, won by a 49.7% to 48% margin.

In the governor's race, Ducey, the republican, won by a 56.4% to 41.5% margin. Not even close.

I know this isn't a scientific breakdown of votes and I know the "other" voters contributed. The point is, somebody sure as hell crossed over from voting for a R gov to a D senator. And not a run-of-the-mill democrat, either. Sinema is a full-blown Marxist of the worst kind. For the life of me I don't know how someone comes to the conclusion they'll vote for a very conservative governor and a communist senator. If the same people that voted for Ducey had voted for McSally she would've won easily.

Agreed. I have always voted party. It was just how I voted, and it wasn't until I heard Mike Rosen state, "Party trumps the person." It doesn't matter whether you happen to like a particular politician. They vote along party lines on most legislation. Look at Joe Manchin. He is supposedly a moderate or perhaps a conservative Democrat. How often did he vote with Republicans? He did not vote for tax reform. Doubling the personal exemption and the child tax credit benefits those Americans paying federal taxes. Those that shrug this off likely are the 47-50% of Americans who pay NO federal taxes.

When Democrats talk tax cuts, they refer to them as "targeted." Every time when they passed "targeted" tax cuts; I saw no difference in my pay check. None. Nada.

IMHO, we are at war. A war of ideas. A battle between what this country will look like in 20-30 years. Democrats are about win at all cost, power and control (ever aspect of your life).

DJT greatest legacy will be the conservative judges he appoints. These judges hopefully will stopped the shenanigans of these far left groups using the judicial to enact legislation (judicial activism).

I am not fooled by these Democrats who call themselves moderates or independent. I'll be voting straight party line.

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[roberth]

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/11/what_truly_caused_the_pogrom_of_1938.html


Everyone knows what happened 80 years ago, November 9-10, 1938 in Germany. The unprecedented pogrom of the Jews got the name Kristallnacht – "Night of Broken Glass." Today, we are well aware of the approximate number of murdered Jews, destroyed businesses, and burned synagogues. The formal reason for the pogrom was the murder of the German diplomat Ernst vom Rath in Paris by the Jewish teenager Herschel Grynszpan on November 7.

Unfortunately, few people know about the true causes of the pogrom.

Will the Red Flag law be our Kristallnacht?


As a result, a massive (and effective) campaign for the confiscation of weapons had begun, and in many regions of Germany, the Jews were wholly disarmed in just six months – by November 1938. For example, the day before the pogrom, on November 8, 1938, the New York Times published an article reported that the head of the Berlin police noted with satisfaction that practically all firearms from Berlin Jews had already been taken. The Nazis' sequester was effective because law-abiding German Jews registered all their weapons, as the law required. As a result, the addresses of the Jewish owners of the firearms and the details of the weapons in question were known to the authorities in advance.

Where you read the word "Jew" substitute "conservative", "deplorable", "pro-life", "American Nationalist", etcetera and you'll have an idea of what the (D) has planned for us. I know it is early in the game but we can learn from history if we know it.

[Great-Kazoo]

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/11/what_truly_caused_the_pogrom_of_1938.html



Will the Red Flag law be our Kristallnacht?



Where you read the word "Jew" substitute "conservative", "deplorable", "pro-life", "American Nationalist", etcetera and you'll have an idea of what the (D) has planned for us. I know it is early in the game but we can learn from history if we know it.

'Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.'

[Irving]

As someone who tends to be vocal about voting party line (mostly after years of hearing people on here complaining about the Dems doing it), I have to say that if you believe in your party, then voting party line is the clear choice. Anything else wouldn't make sense.

When people start doubting that the party really has their best interest in mind, or finds more than minor things they don't agree with in the party platform, that's where the trouble starts.

Not trusting your own party starts you down a troubling path and a gateway to opting out completely, imo. If you don't trust your own party, you sure as hell aren't trusting any of the others, so that pretty much leaves one out in the cold.

The latest Freakonomics podcast presented the idea that the Rep&Dem political parties are closer to a market dominating duopoly (a la Coke and Pepsi) than they are competing political parties as they portray. I'd like a discussion about it here, but don't know how many people would listen first.

[Bailey Guns]

Those who don't learn from history are usually progressive.

[Bailey Guns]

It's not so much trusting the Republican party. It's more of a distrust of the Democrat party. It's also a matter of which party is more likely to support ideals in which I believe. Democrats dont... at all. At least the Republican party says it believes in the things I do even if the individuals in the party don't always act that way. I'm not blindly loyal...just pragmatic.

[Irving]

Completely understand.

[Skip]

Those who don't learn from history are usually progressive.

I disagree. They've learned and use it as a guidebook.

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If red flag/registration is ever used as a Kristallnacht in any state it clearly violates the legislative intent and moves up the difficult decisions that everyone has to make. It would fully clarify that gun control is about disarming political enemies, not safety. Citizens, LE, government, politicians, etc... couldn't sit on the fence.

I'm not saying some pol wouldn't try, I think the more removed such pols are from real world consequences, and the understanding of them, the greater the odds get. I doubt Polis has ever so much as skipped a meal like most of his fellow travelers.

[O2HeN2]

It's not so much trusting the Republican party. It's more of a distrust of the Democrat party. It's also a matter of which party is more likely to support ideals in which I believe. Democrats dont... at all. At least the Republican party says it believes in the things I do even if the individuals in the party don't always act that way. I'm not blindly loyal...just pragmatic.

Good way to put it.

O2

[roberth]

It's not so much trusting the Republican party. It's more of a distrust of the Democrat party. It's also a matter of which party is more likely to support ideals in which I believe. Democrats dont... at all. At least the Republican party says it believes in the things I do even if the individuals in the party don't always act that way. I'm not blindly loyal...just pragmatic.


Good way to put it.

O2

Yes it is.

[Bailey Guns]

I disagree. They've learned and use it as a guidebook.

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OK...and that's kind of my point. What the Germans did to the Jews just prior to, and during, WWII, worked for them. In the very short term. But once their atrocities were uncovered the world (by world I mean mostly the US) got involved, handed them a crushing and devastating defeat, exposed their atrocities and tried and executed many of those responsible. Sure...it met an objective for a time...but at a tremendous cost in the long run. I think the argument can be made it didn't really work out to well for them.

We know from looking at examples from history gun control only works to help bolster tyrannical governments. Of course, tyranny comes in degrees...but it robs the people of freedom in the most mild form to the most brutal form. That's not opinion...that's just basic fact that can be verified any number of times from looking at not only history, but modern societies as well. It robbed Jews of their lives in the 30s and 40s and it robs others, like citizens in some of our states and in the UK for example, of their God-given right to safety.

Knowing this, you and I can look at gun control from an intellectual standpoint and say, with some pretty hard evidence to back it up, it never works as intended. Progressives look only at the emotional side of it. Gun control makes them feel good because maybe the wrong person won't be able to get a gun and hurt someone. Historical fact and plain logic have no room in their arguments.

[GeorgeandSugar]

Gun control, followed by genocides
January 28, 2013

1929: The Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929-1953, 20 million dissidents rounded up and murdered.

1911: Turkey established gun control. From 1915-1917, 1.5 million Christian Armenians rounded up and exterminated.

1938: Germany established gun control. From 1939-1945, 13 million Jews and others rounded up and exterminated.

1935: China established gun control. From 1948-1952, 20 million political dissidents rounded up and exterminated.

1964: Guatemala established gun control. From 1981-1984, 100,000 Mayan Indians rounded up and exterminated.

1970: Uganda established gun control. From 1971-1979, 300,000 Christians rounded up and exterminated.

1956: Cambodia established gun control. From 1975-1977, 1 million educated people rounded up and exterminated.

In the 20th Century more than 56 million defenseless people were rounded up and exterminated by people using gun control.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailyherald.com/amp-article/20130127/discuss/701279952/


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[roberth]

Lets be honest about all of these gun control measures in other countries.
NO OTHER COUNTRY HAS EVER HAD THE AMOUNT OF FIREARMS WE HAVE.
these farmers, peasants, workers, professors, etc were not heavily armed or trained. Most of these people probably never had a gun to begin with and unless their countries conscripted, probably never even used one.

Thankfully we have lots and know how to use them. Fuck ALL THE POLITICIANS.

Excellent point,

Those other countries probably had a pretty easy time instituting their gun control programs.

[Bailey Guns]

Fuck ALL THE POLITICIANS.

I don't necessarily disagree with the sentiment. If only it were that easy to just dismiss them. The reality is, it isn't. The other reality is they're probably gonna fuck you before you fuck them. And there's not a whole lot you can do about it.

[Bailey Guns]

Excellent point,

Those other countries probably had a pretty easy time instituting their gun control programs.

When has anyone (by that I mean an organized group) REALLY resisted ANY gun control measure that's been instituted in this country in our lifetimes? I can't think of an instance. Not in 1934. Not in 1968. Not in 1986. Not in 1994. Not in 2013. Resistance has occurred in the courts for the most part. And the record is mixed. Yet we have hundreds of millions of guns in the hands of ordinary people.

[Great-Kazoo]

Excellent point,

Those other countries probably had a pretty easy time instituting their gun control programs.

They don't and or didn't have a Constitution like we have, for now,

[Skip]

[snip]

Knowing this, you and I can look at gun control from an intellectual standpoint and say, with some pretty hard evidence to back it up, it never works as intended. Progressives look only at the emotional side of it. Gun control makes them feel good because maybe the wrong person won't be able to get a gun and hurt someone. Historical fact and plain logic have no room in their arguments.

Agree completely (with all). But I'm learning that I have to separate the "good intention" feel-good useful idiots who are ignorant, from those who know exactly what happens, "bad intention people." These bad intention people are the same people who boast of demographic "replacement," centralizing all power, and ultimately taking paychecks (slavery by another name). Gun control is a means to an ends so the facts don't matter to them either because their success requires ignorance.

Kind of like the Weather Underground who sat around 50 years ago coldly calculating how many Americans would resist "re-education" and need to be murdered as part of their revolution. In the last few years we've seen high profile Dems use similar suggestive language: "Irredeemable, does not belong" (in the state of NY). There is nuance here, but they are articulating that the differences aren't ideas but people. What do all powerful collectivists do with individuals who stand in the way of progress and prevent them from creating utopia?

The bad intention people know exactly what they are doing. And their hope is people don't catch on until the balance of physical power/force has shifted in such a significant way that it can't be recovered by the people.

ETA/PS: This is why I caution about running from tyranny as a strategy. Things might look good now, but the bad intention people can't let there be a competing free space that competes with their utopia.

Such utopias are built on people being forced in with no escape. Those escapes are a threat to their system. This is why their walls are built to keep people in (rather that the wall I want to keep people out).



They don't and or didn't have a Constitution like we have, for now,

Yup.

Constitution is paper. It means nothing if people aren't willing to defend it. Most of us could rattle off law, policy, decision examples that violate the Constitution.

[roberth]

Slightly off topic, but this is what the good folks in Washington State are dealing with. Ref 1639 ‭

http://www.captainsjournal.com/2018/11/15/police-chief-in-eastern-washington-says-his-officers-wont-enforce-new-gun-laws/


REPUBLIC, Wash. ? The police chief in Republic, Washington said on social media that he won?t allow his department to enforce the regulations passed by voters under Initiative 1639, saying the new gun laws violate the 2nd amendment.

[roberth]

There's nothing for him to choose to enforce that I can see. DA gets to chose charges, LEO has no choice in that. The act doesn't seem to involve much of anything that involves LEO as the point of first contact, a lot centers around FFL's, and FFL's will not be able to violate federal or state regs or circumvent background check changes.

The article also includes snippets of the whole "door to door confiscation" thing which is never going to happen. Gun owners will be forever distracted by their shiny wet dream, while they let registration and grandfathering happen down to the last gun. They don't need door-to-door, everyone's kids will voluntarily turn them in when we croak. Socialefts are not stupid.

(Note, not directed at you, just the article).

I think LEO is stating that a magazine infraction for instance, won't be a primary offense but like you said, if the DA gets a bug up his ass he'll pursue that and any other charges.

You're right, door to door won't happen en masse, they'll do it to a few via red-flag and then your remark about children is true.

The left is playing the long game, if my team were playing the long game the leftists in the 1950s and 1960s would have been run out of the country or DRT.

ETA - Been thinking about what I wrote here in my last statement. It is a gross violation of freedom of speech and association in their purest forms.

So I have a question - the left can do anything it wants w/o consequence, just look at antifa, the obvious election cheating in AZ and FL, the deprivation of natural rights that are affirmed by The Constitution, the assault on the language by political correctness, where is the line that creates a negative consequence for the left?