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.455_Hunter
11-07-2018, 08:13
Over 10 rd mag ban, no grandfathering?
AW ban?
Roll back of the CCW program?
Mandatory storage?
Roll back of supposed pre-emption?
I bet the next Tanner will be a bit more crowded...
Overtaxation by their representation..For the greater good....
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They plan to demand a wheat crop after they failed to supply the necessary seeds (which they confiscated as property of the state).
sellersm
11-07-2018, 09:13
?More bricks without straw!?
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ChickNorris
11-07-2018, 09:15
Pre printed Boxer name tags
Democracy is mob rule. Unfortunately the transplants have taken over. Voting means consent and submission to the whatever the state does and it is like pulling teeth for me to do so. But at least I got my I voted sticker[emoji2957]76531
Over 10 rd mag ban, no grandfathering?
AW ban?
Roll back of the CCW program?
Mandatory storage?
Roll back of supposed pre-emption?
I bet the next Tanner will be a bit more crowded...
I do not think they will go for a 10 round, nor the CCW law until after 2020. What I think we will see in the next two years is social policies and spending on welfare policies. We will likely also see a Red Flag law. Pre-emption, probably sniff that out too. They don't want to kick a nest of hornets, and there are plenty. 2021 will be the AWB, mandatory storage.
BPTactical
11-07-2018, 09:34
Over 10 rd mag ban, no grandfathering?
AW ban?
Roll back of the CCW program?
Mandatory storage?
Roll back of supposed pre-emption?
I bet the next Tanner will be a bit more crowded...
All of the above, I could see NFA going away at a state level, the lowly serfs arent worthy.
With a D Governor, AG, Senate and House there are no checks and balances.
Scorched earth.
Add ban on internet ammo sales to their list.
Rucker61
11-07-2018, 09:52
All of the above, I could see NFA going away at a state level, the lowly serfs arent worthy.
With a D Governor, AG, Senate and House there are no checks and balances.
Scorched earth.
Yeah, for sure. Democratic lawmakers don't know anything about Constitutional protections, statistics or firearms, but they sure do know how to pander to their voting base.
I envision a fee to use the gas pump.
I could see them impose a $2 (pick a number) fee for the privilege of fueling your vehicle, we'll lift the handle, $2 appears in the screen before you've pumped a single drop of gas. Same idea for natural gas usage at your domicile.
Dickenpooper raised the fees on vehicle registration, they'll visit this again.
TABOR will be a top priority.
Aloha_Shooter
11-07-2018, 10:14
All of the above, I could see NFA going away at a state level, the lowly serfs arent worthy.
With a D Governor, AG, Senate and House there are no checks and balances.
Scorched earth.
Worse than the AG, the Secretary of State went Dem too. That means there's no check on the corrupt election practices ala Pueblo.
Look at Washington's anti-gunowner initiative that passed. It is ugly! It mandates all kinds of training including suicide prevention, mandatory inspections of safe storage by law enforcement, and forfeiture of HIPAA privacy. It is really bad, and sets up people for confiscation of their firearms. I see this as the next thing we'll face in Colorado.
Gun owners need to organized before the session starts and target three vulnerable Senators with a threat of recall if they vote or champion any anti-gunowner legislation. I plan to write Neville's replacement (my senator) first day of session letting that person know what will happen. Two senators were recalled and one forced to resign so these threats now hold a lot of weight. We just need to get busy before it happens and not wait until we get screwed.
TABOR will be a top priority.
Absolutely.
Yeah, guns will be a target, but secondarily. Repealing TABOR will be their first priority, so they can push for socialist single payer medical, expanded services for LGBT illegal aliens undocumented immigrants, and more drug decriminalization. Once they attract a super majority of leftists to the state, they can steamroll our gun rights with little or no effort.
Look at Washington's anti-gunowner initiative that passed. It is ugly! It mandates all kinds of training including suicide prevention, mandatory inspections of safe storage by law enforcement, and forfeiture of HIPAA privacy. It is really bad, and sets up people for confiscation of their firearms. I see this as the next thing we'll face in Colorado.
After this year, I can no longer afford healthcare for me, so joke's on them!
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The gun fight was coming no matter what and, honestly, will never end unless really bad things happen in this country. Disarmament is baked into the Left's playbook. When they say stupid shit like "Socialism/Communism just wasn't done correctly" in history they are articulating they need complete control to make it "work."
I started a thread some time ago advising people to diversify looking at the worst possible outcomes while attempting to maintain the ability to project force.
TheParty won't tolerate power remaining with the people.
The interesting thing about the election results last night is that CO Libs voted against any increase in cost of living (no on 112, no on 73, etc) but voted for the candidates most likely to increase cost of living, increase the "wealth gap," and make the Denver metro look like other blue shitties in spite of all the negative things we see in Denver (and talk about on this board).
If there's hope to swing things back, I think it lies in brutal economic consequences. But to get there we have to endure all those negative consequences with a high probability we won't be able to undo (e.g. ACA).
Bgc and additional tax to purchase ammo and related supplies. Welcome to New California, check your weapons and bank accounts at the door.
sellersm
11-07-2018, 12:34
Yeah, for sure. Democratic lawmakers don't know anything about Constitutional protections, statistics or firearms, but they sure do know how to pander to their FUNDING base.
FIFY
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One of the libs here just said that taxes would NOT go up. I told them we'll revisit that in 4 years, they said OK and that I'll still be wrong.
One of the libs here just said that taxes would NOT go up. I told them we'll revisit that in 4 years, they said OK and that I'll still be wrong.
I trust Libs about as much as a fart at Casa Bonita.
Notice how when they are wrong it's someone else's fault?
Grant H.
11-07-2018, 13:47
[snip]
Once they attract a super majority of leftists to the state, they can steamroll our gun rights with little or no effort.
This is exactly what they hope to do. It's how they have so effectively ruined california, and despite the desire to think so, they aren't stupid.
By gaining a super majority, they have been able to force through laws that have made breaking their super majority an impossibility. They can literally do whatever they want, and the left will just go along with it.
I trust Libs about as much as a fart at Casa Bonita.
Notice how when they are wrong it's someone else's fault?
This one is really smart with computers but doesn't recognize even recent history.
This one is really smart with computers but doesn't recognize even recent history.
Book smart/street stupid
I am sure no one will bet me even a dime...this will be introduced again right up front...https://www.coloradoindependent.com/2018/05/08/red-flag-law-introduced-bipartisan-senate-killed/
I am sure no one will bet me even a dime...this will be introduced again right up front...https://www.coloradoindependent.com/2018/05/08/red-flag-law-introduced-bipartisan-senate-killed/
Done deal in the first session.
Book smart/street stupid
Yep.
She believes what the boob toob tells her and everything I've seen her read online is leftist so............
Anyway, her problem and I'll be unhappy to win our little disagreement.
I am sure no one will bet me even a dime...this will be introduced again right up front...https://www.coloradoindependent.com/2018/05/08/red-flag-law-introduced-bipartisan-senate-killed/
Done deal in the first session.
Yup, it'll become effective July 1, 2019 unless they can push it sooner.
Then all the pro-gun liberals on this board can turn the rest of us in to the authorities for being big meanies.
newracer
11-07-2018, 16:33
Red Flag law will likely be the only gun specific law, they will wait until after 2020 for more.
Tabor will be the top priority.
Red Flag law will likely be the only gun specific law, they will wait until after 2020 for more.
Tabor will be the top priority.
Why wait for 2020?
I think gun control items will come much quicker. Expect January to be introduced.
TABOR is much harder for them. It needs a vote by the people. It is in the Colorado Constitution and can only be changed by a vote of the people.
And last year, at least REPs were smart. We upped the threshold to amend the constitution to require 55% of the vote and to get on the ballot a certain amount of signature from each county. That really screwed DEMs wanting to get rid of TABOR.
Now, the list of fees that they may try and come up with will be mind boggling. I mean I can comprehend 3x10^8 but the number of fees DEMs can come up with will far exceed that.
The funny part is the DEMs think they have a mandate for single payer and free everything. But they have to ask the people for the taxes. Oh I love TABOR.
In general, I think people understand that TABOR is the only thing that saves them from taxes. Look at how many taxes failed this year.
newracer
11-07-2018, 17:12
I think they will wait until after 2020 because gun control issues tend to make them lose votes and they want votes for the next presidential election. Anyone else notice that many of the D candidates were promising gun control early on but it quickly went away.
I think they will wait until after 2020 because gun control issues tend to make them lose votes
I am not sure that is true in CO anymore.
There were plenty of "anytown" ads on TV and that didnt scare voters off.
In fact the only ad I saw in the Neville race were against Neville and his support by NRA.
It is a sad day when the LBGTQWREOJMSPOHSA is out and gun owners are put in the closet.
Maybe we just all need to cross dress, talk about our sexuality, and carry guns so we are accepted? In some level of seriousness, maybe the in-your -face approach the gay community used is the way to go. You know police dont want to confront 1000 armed protesters complaining about gun laws.
68Charger
11-07-2018, 18:13
Look at Washington's 1639 gun control that passed with a 20% margin... that will be what they will model- unless it is successfully challenged in the courts.
https://ballotpedia.org/Washington_Initiative_1639,_Changes_to_Gun_Ownersh ip_and_Purchase_Requirements_Measure_(2018)
"brought to you by Microsoft" since 2 of the biggest 3 donors are Ballmer and Paul Allen's estate.
I think they will wait until after 2020 because gun control issues tend to make them lose votes and they want votes for the next presidential election. Anyone else notice that many of the D candidates were promising gun control early on but it quickly went away.
They have to make it safe for politicians to take our rights, agree. How they get into that space, I don't know. I think "red flag" is the easiest way.
Once they breech it without consequences, it will get worse.
newracer
11-07-2018, 19:56
Now that I see that Tom Sullivan won a seat in the House I take back my previous statements. I am sure he will introduce every type of gun control legislation possible.
.455_Hunter
11-07-2018, 20:26
Now that I see that Tom Sullivan won a seat in the House I take back my previous statements. I am sure he will introduce every type of gun control legislation possible.
It will be interesting with him and Pat Neville in the same room.
I am not sure that is true in CO anymore.
True, the communists have the momentum in CO now.
DavieD55
11-08-2018, 10:31
They're not going to waste anytime in pushing their agenda through. 2013 and 2014 are reminders of that. However, I predict that 2019 is going to be the hardest left session in Colorado political history, unfortunately.
wctriumph
11-08-2018, 12:32
When it comes to guns:
Colorado State Gun Owner's Card that needs to be renewed every 5 years (with a hefty price tag) in order to buy a gun
10 day or longer waiting period to pick up your new gun and will also apply to private party transfers, including C&R and BB guns
No out of state internet ammo purchasing
all ammo sales will be recorded with a background check and a 5 day waiting period
Ban on semiautomatic "Military Grade" heavy weapons with no provision to sell or transfer them
Close the Firearms Trust loophole
Ban all NFA classified items and no provision to sell or transfer them
Detachable Magazine capacity will be reduced to 10 rounds.
CCW laws will be re-written and will require more hours by state certified instructors in the class and range shooting, will be required to re-certify every two years and perhaps issuance will be removed from the county sheriffs in favor of the state issuing all permits. Fees will go through the roof.
In the end, one way or another we will get the short shitty end of the stick.
68Charger
11-08-2018, 15:47
In the end, one way or another we will get the short shitty end of the stick.
Is this a reference to the new governor's boyfriend?
Going to be bad
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/11/08/what-we-can-expect-with-a-democrat-marxist-controlled-house-of-representatives/#more-156461
What We Can Expect With a Democrat-Marxist Controlled House of Representatives?.
Posted on November 8, 2018 by sundance
CTH has received multiple requests for a review of predictable consequences as a result of the midterm election. Thankfully, and perhaps unfortunately, we have solid references to base these predictions on ? because there?s a solid frame of reference from the 2006 midterm and the subsequent consequences we saw in 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010.
If we take the empirical 2006 example as the starting point and overlay the 2018 landscape to modernize the predictive model, what results is a most likely scenario.
First, any intellectually honest review must overlay the current political environment. In 2018 the scale of unchecked lawless behavior is a significant influence toward the differences we can expect from the last time Democrat/Marxists held congressional power. The term ?Democrat-socialism?, in essence a Marxist approach, is now the dominant fuel within the professional DNC political operations.
When the Democrats last held power in 2006, their actionable objective was toward a far-left, Saul Alinsky-type aggressive tone and influence; however, there was a need to couch that intention as they positioned Senator Barack Obama for the 2008 presidential election.
In 2006 the radicals, needed to downplay their radicalism. In 2018 the severity and aggression of the left, as assisted by the dropping of all media pretense, no longer needs to hide the intention. When Democrat-Marxists take control in January of 2019 they no longer need to couch the extremism, the American electorate have been prepped.
Secondly, it cannot be overstated how violent and confrontational the House of Representatives will be as soon as they are sworn in. They will work with an immediate purposeful intention. All political violence will be approved to attain their objectives. The recent behavior of Jim Acosta (CNN media), and ANTIFA toward Tucker Carlson, is now, and will be going forward, the new normal.
There will be extreme political violence.
In 2006 it was the SEIU and AFSCME union foot-soldiers who smashed windows, advanced upon polling places and engaged in the most severe examples of voter fraud and intimidation. In 2018, with the help of uber-Alinsky DNC Chairman Tom Perez, that corrupt sentiment is now institutionalized within democrat-socialist political apparatus. ANTIFA is now the DNC grassroots activist approach.
Failing to accept the severity of this shift in the past decade is intellectually dishonest. As Nancy Pelosi said of the Occupy Wall Street violent anarchists: ?God bless these people.? Indeed the OWS precursor to ANTIFA were laying the groundwork for the new severity of power in Democrat leadership. Nothing is out-of-bounds; no level of corrupt behavior will be avoided; everything will happen openly and without any backlash from a compliant media apparatus; the social fabric will be shredded.
The Democrat mantra: ?never let a crisis go to waste? is the modern version of the Fabian-Socialist: ?remould it closer to the heart?s desire?. Both approaches rely upon the destruction of acceptable norms in order to advance the political objective.
♦Specifics: When Democrats last took power in January 2007, Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer took control in the final two years of George Bush second term. Immediately they set about a process laying the groundwork for the 2008 presidential election of Barack Obama. This was a priority objective.
One of the techniques was the removal of the budget process. By eliminating the federal budget process in 2007 (fiscal year ?08) the Democrats paved the way for the next democrat president to demand massive open-ended spending.
By the time the year of the general election came around (2008), the lengthy budget process was replaced with Omnibus spending bills (fiscal year 2009). Obviously when Obama was successfully installed in November of 2008, the useful crisis was financial. The subsequent TARP bailout, auto bailout, ARRA ($1 trillion stimulus) and QE1 were all accomplished with massive omnibus spending packages.
[NOTE: These are important references because from that moment forward, despite the GOP taking back control in January 2011, the constraining budgetary process was forever destroyed. There was never regular-order budgetary spending again.]
It is also critical to emphasize the difference between Democrats taking control in the last two years of Bush?s second term, and Democrats taking control in the last two years of Trump?s first term. Within this difference you will predictably see a shift in strategic operations from the Marxists.
George W Bush was exiting, and unlimited spending was used to empower the entry of Obama; however, now the Marxists need to knee-cap President Trump by weaponizing the power of the purse ? the biggest weapon of the House of Representatives.
After a ten year UniParty hiatus the Marxists will now go back to using budgets in the structural defunding and dismantling of ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement), the Southern Border Wall, and any program, initiative, policy or institution the Marxists want to see removed. This is a strategy of the Democrat crisis-makers; and they are exceptionally better at achieving their desired results than Republicans.
When it comes to political weaponization and political power constructs the Marxists have exceptional work ethics; they will outwork anyone on the other side who opposes them. They are far, far, better at political strategy and scheme than conservative politicians. Part of the reason for their success is that crooks, cons and swindlers are far more cunning than honorable, virtuous and moral people. It is unfortunate, but true; and the same truth applies beyond politics.
♦ Two other thoughts on this issue. First, you might remember when this massive spending, and the government takeover of healthcare, led to the Marxists losing the 2010 midterm election in a massive defeat. But do you remember what the democrats did in the lame-duck congress between November 2010 and January 2011?
Does the term ?Porkulous? ring a bell?
While 63 democrat seats were lost in the November 2010 election (and six democrat senate seats), those exiting Marxists, despite just having suffered the worst defeat in almost 100 years, audaciously ?and apologetically? voted in the December 2010 lame-duck session, to fully fund President Obama?s next two years in office. This was done by Speaker Nancy Pelosi specifically to block the incoming GOP wave from upending the priorities of the Obama administration in 2011. That was called the ?Porkulous? spending bill; and the democrat-marxists didn?t give a snit about how it looked.
Now, do you think Speaker Paul Ryan will do anything as bold to fund and secure the budgetary priorities of President Donald Trump in this lame-duck?
Secondly, about the overall unilateral commitment and cunning historically displayed by the Marxists. They are so committed to the long-term view they are willing to sacrifice anything for the biggest, most consequential, advances toward their objectives. In 2010 the democrats killed their own ?blue-dog? coalition to advance their ideological goals.
Within the 63 House seats the Marxists lost in that 2010 midterm election; they killed off the entire 40 member Bart Stupak coalition; the blue-dog caucus. Totally willing to sacrifice 40 seats to attain a generational ideological objective (ObamaCare); and they are about to step back into power a mere eight years later. Stunning when you think about it.
In my opinion few reading this have any idea just how bad these next two years are going to be. It?s not your fault. We are the normal people who don?t spend every moment of our day scheming, conniving, and developing plans to dismantle the lives of your freedom loving community and rebuild it as a collective society. For these Marxists who are about to take power that?s all they do. Every moment of their existence they spend thinking about how to gain power and dominate, 24/7/365 that?s all they do.
Lastly, future predictions: Michael Bloomberg will be the Democrat/Marxist nominee for 2020. There will be a field of candidates; but the professional Democrat machine will run the splitter strategy, and the back-room crowd who really control the elements of power have already pre-selected their nominee, Michael Bloomberg. Marxists always have the plan mapped out well in advance. (A woman will be the VP nominee)
If you start now looking at what actions the Marxists are taking, through the prism of their goal being President Michael Bloomberg, lots of things will make a lot more sense.
CobaltSkink
11-08-2018, 22:00
Is this a reference to the new governor's boyfriend?
I am hereby stating I will not be protesting in Denver.
Any shouting of "F*** the Polis!" will be coming from the governor's mansion, not me.
68Charger
11-08-2018, 22:40
I am hereby stating I will not be protesting in Denver.
Any shouting of "F*** the Polis!" will be coming from the governor's mansion, not me.
Saturday night at the govnah's mansion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQPmxDB04Ps
Our best chance is a few more replacement people on the Supreme Court. Then challenge everything and appeal to the Supreme Court and get it blocked from being enforced.
kidicarus13
11-09-2018, 07:23
Red flag bill...
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/politics/colo-democrats-plan-to-reintroduce-controversial-red-flag-gun-bill
How would the state enforce a new magazine ban when they can't enforce the one they have now?
68Charger
11-09-2018, 08:16
How would the state enforce a new magazine ban when they can't enforce the one they have now?
Eliminate grandfather clause, then prosecute otherwise law abiding citizens for owning a plastic box with a spring in it.
ChickNorris
11-09-2018, 09:07
Eliminate grandfather clause, then prosecute otherwise law abiding citizens for owning a plastic box with a spring in it.
Exactly.
Great-Kazoo
11-09-2018, 09:18
Eliminate grandfather clause, then prosecute otherwise law abiding citizens for owning a plastic box with a spring in it.
Tell anyone inquiring those plastic containers are for your weed stash. Making people believe you're a gun owner will keep them from trying to rip off your stash.
Will1776
11-09-2018, 09:36
Eliminate grandfather clause, then prosecute otherwise law abiding citizens for owning a plastic box with a spring in it.
Or require people to "declare" their magazines and carry around paperwork. That's what Connecticut did.
Eliminate grandfather clause, then prosecute otherwise law abiding citizens for owning a plastic box with a spring in it.
But how are they going to catch people with the wrong box?
Are they going to fly drones over the national forest and look for people? Are they going park themselves at Centennial Gun Club (an example) and check the magazines of the people who go there to shoot?
Or require people to "declare" their magazines and carry around paperwork. That's what Connecticut did.
So CT shifted the burden of proof to the gun owner?
In any event nothing good will come from Democrats controlling the legislature and governor's office.
If I could get my wife to move, we would. Where not sure. She is too tied in to ladies club, friends and church to change.
The discussions above are horrible prospects. I am sure the Dems have already thought of everything above already or I would say we should stop giving them ideas.
Will1776
11-09-2018, 10:31
So CT shifted the burden of proof to the gun owner?
I guess so. Basically if you had 10+ mags you had to "declare" them and the state gave a you some sort of paperwork to show police in the event of a home defense situation or at the range, etc. I was too young to even buy a gun at the time, but I have heard about the process from others.
68Charger
11-09-2018, 11:00
So CT shifted the burden of proof to the gun owner?
That's what they'll do, make them contraband- illegal to possess unless you have an affirmative defense (LEO, etc)
Tell anyone inquiring those plastic containers are for your weed stash. Making people believe you're a gun owner will keep them from trying to rip off your stash.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKOc6hXMDhc
DavieD55
11-09-2018, 16:23
1984 is getting closer and closer.
If you look at all of what is going on both in Washington and in terms of gun control and violence in the streets you need to ask yourself why?????
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GbHDxCCDT8
DavieD55
11-09-2018, 17:02
Gun Confiscation IS happening. Read that sentence again and listen carefully to your internal dialog. What's going through you mind? Can't happen here? Can't happen to me? Well, it's just a few "crazy" people. I dont live in that state. I support the police? I support Trump? This line of thought is dangerous to the point of terminal naivete. Any thinking man already knows that these self-made excuses are foolish. More than 150 people have already been Red Flagged in Florida alone. [UPDATE: in Florida as of July 27th, 467 risk protection cases were filed.]
The Christians and the Jews didn't believe it could happen to them to the point where they got onto the rail cars under their own strength. The interviews with survivors are astonishing. They still couldn't believe what was right in front of them even as their neighbors got hauled off by the SS.
Dont care about the Jews? Thats fine because Honey, this time its about YOU.
Back in America; first they're coming for the "crazy" gun owner. Then they'll come for...who? Who's next, the Gab Nazis? Then who? Then who after that?
Here is the back and forth that took place on live TV after the Parkland, Florida shooting: "Allow due process so no ones rights are trampled, but the ability to go to court, obtain an order and then collect not only the firearms but any weapons", Mike Pence, said. "Or, Mike, take the firearms first, and then go to court," President Trump responded. And later; Take the guns first, go through due process second, -President Trump.
That conversation happened with Democrat leadership in the room. It kicked off a furious round of legislative action across the nation to accomplish the passage of "Red Flag" laws. There is broad bi-partisan support for these laws. At least 16 states have legislatively taken steps toward legalizing Gun Confiscation without evidence of a crime. The NRA has not objected to this, at all, and has been supportive of it, why?
Check your internal dialog again.
This isnt about blame, this is about getting you to realize that it IS HAPPENING, right here in America. In Maryland and in California and the rest of the Left Coast we shouldnt be surprised I suppose, but you should be alarmed, very alarmed. But thats not all, its happening in Indiana, a Red State. Many more states have these laws or are working on them with several quietly passing similar legislation but are not acting upon them yet.
The Right has initiated this idea, and the NRA doesnt object, and the Left starts to implement it. There is no third party. And the police enforce it, by summary execution if you dont comply? The courts have fully approved this post Patriot Act methodology. To where do you turn for relief?
Maybe Christians are crazy with their sky God? Maybe conspiracy theorists are a danger? Maybe you are the problem, maybe youre the terrorist? Whites are dangerous? Why the push to get medical and physiological doctors involved in evaluating gun owners? Does any of this register on your internal dialog BS meter because thats where this is headed.
These laws rely upon neighbor turning against neighbor. The division thats been sewn over decades is now starting feed on itself. This is not an accident. Its not happening in a vacuum. Those that run the power structure are not dumb. This is what the Soviets and the Nazis did and now its what the Americans are doing.
Police come to a mans home, kill him, and take his guns. How is this different from Stalin? How? By Gods Law, Trump, all the way down to the local cop has this blood on their hands. Is this what Western Civilization is, now again in the twenty first century?
Gun confiscation IS happening. Where were you when the gun confiscations started?
- ProGunFred
Zundfolge
11-09-2018, 17:58
But how are they going to catch people with the wrong box?
There not even going to go hunting for scofflaws, but with the Red Flag law a lot of non-dangerous gun owners are about to have their guns seized and at that point they'll be charged for all the mags (so even after the red-flag period, they'll be felons so they can't get their guns back). Also we've all heard the stories of ATF agents showing up at gun ranges and hassling people over their NFA items (demanding to see stamps and such) ... well the State Patrol will be tasked with that here.
Any sort of grandfathering that requires you to get a permit from the state will eventually be turned into a confiscation scheme.
On a side note:
When we do get some kind of draconian gun laws, I'd like to see the owners of this site delete all the posts and start over fresh so as to not give the State a place to search and find what many of us have said in the past.
68Charger
11-09-2018, 19:28
Where's the like button?
Oh and it's not "grandfathering" if it's registration.
But to foxtrot's point, this is what gun confiscation looks like in the 21st century.
Good thing rocks are lethal weapons, right?
Good thing rocks are lethal weapons, right?
Your mind can be a lethal weapon.
Your mind can be a lethal weapon.Your mind is the weapon. Everything else is merely an accessory.
Sent from somewhere...
Your mind is the weapon. Everything else is merely an accessory.
Sent from somewhere...That was my point, thank you.
I was also hinting that if the plan was to eliminate weaponry, they'll probably have to remove those of us with a similar mindset.
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I really think that gutting TABOR is first on their list
I really think that gutting TABOR is first on their list
I would agree. TABOR stops almost all of their plans. If there is no tax money, they have to juggle money from one cause to fund another. And with so many promises of free everything, they need to come up with the money to make every free.
But that asks the question, if it is free, why do they need more money?
BPTactical
11-11-2018, 13:29
My plans?
Shall not comply
Will1776
11-12-2018, 10:29
"Rep. Jared Polis, D-Boulder, says he thinks banning weapons possessed by law-abiding people violates the Second Amendment.
“I believe it would make it harder for Colorado families to defend themselves and also interfere with the recreational use of guns by law-abiding Coloradans,” Polis said. “If we want to reduce violence, we should invest in improving our schools to ensure that young people have jobs and do not turn to gangs, crime or violence of any form, and improving access to mental health services.”"
https://www.denverpost.com/2013/01/24/colorados-sens-udall-and-bennet-uncommitted-on-assault-weapons-ban/
There might be some hope. Yes, an older article, but important info. I don't doubt that if he feels it won't affect his reelection much he would sign any ban.
Anything coming out of a politicians mouth is B.S., particularly if they're trying to get elected.
I think the Dems will be emboldened by the new demographics of the state and they'll be full throttle on pushing their agendas.
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kidicarus13
11-12-2018, 11:48
POLIS:
Strengthen penalties for black-market gun salesBlack-market gun sales are enabling violent criminals and gangs to purchase firearms without background checks. The root of this issue is gun theft. In 2015 and 2016 alone, smash-and-grab gun store robberies resulted in nearly 400 guns being stolen in Colorado. We should work to equip gun shops with strong security measures like closed-circuit cameras, discrete signage, and reinforced windows, which are already required of marijuana dispensaries in Colorado. We can also look to the example of Richmond, Va., who have strengthened penalties for illegal gun sales--and seen armed robberies and gun homicides drop substantially as a result.
I've encountered few issues as polarizing as our nation's deadly gun violence epidemic. It shouldn't be this way. Like most Coloradans, I support our Second Amendment right to use guns for defense and sport. And like most Coloradans, I think we should take action to reduce gun violence and help save lives. Nothing about these views is incompatible.
Source:?2018 Colorado Gubernatorial website PolisForColorado.com?, Jul 4, 2018
Ban military-style weapons; plus CDC studies gun violence[In the wake of the deadly Parkland school shooting]: "This is a case where the public interest in safety needs to win out over special interest politics," he said.
Polis said common-sense measures are needed including the banning of military-style weapons, not allowing access to guns to those who have temporary restraining orders and allow for the Centers for Disease Control and others to conduct gun violence research. He added that saying there's no easy solution is not an excuse for inaction.
Source: The Coloradoan on 2018 Colorado gubernatorial debate , Mar 3, 2018
Supports gun-control legislationQ: Do you generally support gun-control legislation?
A: Yes.
Source: Colorado Vote Smart 2016 Political Courage Test , Nov 1, 2016
Banning weapons violates the Second AmendmentRep. Jared Polis says he thinks banning weapons possessed by law-abiding people violates the Second Amendment: "I believe it would make it harder for Colorado families to defend themselves and also interfere with the recreational use of guns by law- abiding Coloradans," Polis said. "If we want to reduce violence, we should invest in improving our schools to ensure that young people have jobs and do not turn to gangs, crime or violence of any form, and improving access to mental health services."Source: Denver Post on 2018 Colorado gubernatorial race , Jan 24, 2013
So, Polis is a mealy mouthed, two faced, lying sonofabitch politician? This is my surprised face... [Roll1]
Politicians will say whatever they think potential voters want to hear. His prior actions speak louder than all the bullshit pouring out of that ugly hole under his nose. The communists can pass all of the laws they want, without our consent or approval. Enforcement and compliance are a whole other animal.
newracer
11-12-2018, 12:11
This is from a post on that other AR15 site.
Call your reps....I called mine and he actually called me back.
I spoke with Senator Don Coram today . The general feeling is they may push for Red Flag again. Bans? Possible but according to Mr Coram highly unlikely and according to what he said will get a lot and I mean a lot of push back.
He said they still remember the recalls quite vividly. Someone he speaks to on the other side is a marine vet who just was elected to the Pueblo seat.....They remember 2013 trust me. I am not saying a ban wouldn't happen but its very unlikely as its toxic politically to even discuss such things. They went with a mag ban over an assault weapons ban because of the potential backlash.
He did say some sort of gun control is likely but a ban? Odds are against it. Red flag though in some way, shape or form? Count on it.
I will say that he did mention the GOP will fight if anything nasty comes down the pike and unlike a lot of politicians who say well I support the 2nd. Don bought his first AR 3 weeks ago.
Bottom line Red Flag is the low hanging fruit. Bans are so high up on the tree they would really want to pull it down to get to it.
I concluded the call with him saying "You have my number so call me any time you have concerns on anything happening at the capital."
Red flag needs to be ruled against sooner than later.
Red flag needs to be ruled against sooner than later.
It's going to take one hell of a case to do that since simply depriving an American of a civil right that SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED apparently isn't enough.
We're going to need a plaintiff who was harmed after being disarmed, lived through it, and has $200K+ in his pocket.
Again, I'm ready to donate to any serious challenge on these state level infringements we think can go all the way.
BPTactical
11-12-2018, 15:34
"Rep. Jared Polis, D-Boulder, says he thinks banning weapons possessed by law-abiding people violates the Second Amendment.
?I believe it would make it harder for Colorado families to defend themselves and also interfere with the recreational use of guns by law-abiding Coloradans,? Polis said. ?If we want to reduce violence, we should invest in improving our schools to ensure that young people have jobs and do not turn to gangs, crime or violence of any form, and improving access to mental health services.?"
https://www.denverpost.com/2013/01/24/colorados-sens-udall-and-bennet-uncommitted-on-assault-weapons-ban/
There might be some hope. Yes, an older article, but important info. I don't doubt that if he feels it won't affect his reelection much he would sign any ban.
[hahhah-no]
The 'dems are much better at playing the long game than the 'pubs:
Shannon Watts going up against Cory Gardner in 2020. We've all been wondering why she moved here? Her sugar daddy thought he'd own Colorado first. He was right.
I'd put money on it. Bloomberg will pour dizzying amounts of money into the race; his previous donations will pale by comparison, if necessary.
O2
Ps. For the record this is not my observation, but I agree with it:
https://gunfreezone.net/what-the-democrats-will-do-with-their-new-power/
Good thing rocks are lethal weapons, right?
That is why I was hesitant to put in river rock at my house, in case the Palestinians attack. [Sarcasm2]
Zundfolge
11-17-2018, 17:06
Call your reps....I called mine and he actually called me back.
I spoke with Senator Don Coram today . The general feeling is they may push for Red Flag again. Bans? Possible but according to Mr Coram highly unlikely and according to what he said will get a lot and I mean a lot of push back.
He said they still remember the recalls quite vividly. Someone he speaks to on the other side is a marine vet who just was elected to the Pueblo seat.....They remember 2013 trust me. I am not saying a ban wouldn't happen but its very unlikely as its toxic politically to even discuss such things. They went with a mag ban over an assault weapons ban because of the potential backlash.
He did say some sort of gun control is likely but a ban? Odds are against it. Red flag though in some way, shape or form? Count on it.
I will say that he did mention the GOP will fight if anything nasty comes down the pike and unlike a lot of politicians who say well I support the 2nd. Don bought his first AR 3 weeks ago.
Bottom line Red Flag is the low hanging fruit. Bans are so high up on the tree they would really want to pull it down to get to it.
I concluded the call with him saying "You have my number so call me any time you have concerns on anything happening at the capital."
Yes they talk like this now, but once they get into session and start feeling their newly increased power they'll get drunk with it and I expect some sort of CA/NY style nastiness by middle of next year. Red Flag is the least of our problems.
DavieD55
11-17-2018, 20:20
Yes they talk like this now, but once they get into session and start feeling their newly increased power they'll get drunk with it and I expect some sort of CA/NY style nastiness by middle of next year. Red Flag is the least of our problems.
Exactly.
Didn't they already do some emissions thing? Or was that our normal "government?"
-John
To Govern;
to rule over by right of authority:
to govern a nation.
to exercise a directing or restraining influence over; guide:
the motives governing a decision.
to hold in check; control:
It used to be that America was defined by freedom. Freedom from Government.
-John
It should be noted, that the first act of this congress, will be to restrict our collective freedoms,.
What are the Bill of Rights, and the Second Amendment, but in anticipation of runaway Government today?
Only 40 shopping days before the next legislative session!
O2
KevDen2005
11-29-2018, 13:56
Overtaxation by their representation..For the greater good....
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This seems familiar....has it already been tried?
Any updates on the inspired elite from the local commie rag?
TEAMRICO
12-10-2018, 18:02
I see New Jersey in our future.........
More taxes disguised as fees.
Now the childless or single folk will be subsidizing the breeders with 1% of their salaries. Or another take of the responsible subsidising the irresponsible.
No rainy day funds, not my problem, but soon it will be.
https://kdvr.com/2018/12/07/paid-family-leave-could-soon-be-reality-in-colorado/
Fvck socialists and their thieft of my money.
The most basic aspect of not only humanity, but all life, ever = irresponsible. Is that what I'm reading here? Just want to be clear.
The most basic aspect of not only humanity, but all life, ever = irresponsible. Is that what I'm reading here? Just want to be clear.
No, the act of producing something that you cannot afford to maintain on your own=irresponsible.
I have no problem with kids. I have problems with people that expect others to pay for their kids, or pay for them to take time off to have them.
That's not what was posted.
If the issue is that the proposed bill is terrible, why is the anger not aimed at the people proposing the bill?
Great-Kazoo
12-10-2018, 20:10
That's not what was posted.
If the issue is that the proposed bill is terrible, why is the anger not aimed at the people proposing the bill?
Because the people proposing it play on white guilt to get what they want. Knowing as the demographic sits, there's no repercussion for anything tax and social spending related.
So one can write letters, send emails, post comments in the local papers, protest at the capitol. No one cares, no one gives a fuk what we the common folk say.
The CO Voters spoke and they not only listened, they went above and beyond to make sure. When the CO state legislature convenes, the magic word of the session will be TAXES! High high and how much will be the question.
Buzz words to trigger white guilt.
The Children
Think of the Kids
Living Wage
income equality
Better schools / education for Everyone. (see below)
Immigrants. Not illegal, just immigrants. The all inclusive umbrella which shines false hopes on those coming to America, Illegally.
Common Sense Gun Laws
We need to do something / provide for the Homeless.
Keeping in mind all the above have been tried over & over with minimal results, Except taxes and Fees going up.
Of course if you don't agree with those ideals. There's always the worn out buzz words.
RACIST and Xenophobic
That doesn't address what I'm asking at all.
Great-Kazoo
12-10-2018, 20:22
That doesn't address what I'm asking at all.
You asked why the anger is not aimed at the ones who come up with these bills. I replied, the ones who do/did don't care what you think. or how angry you are. So like most forums, it's an echo chamber voicing ones displeasure of being screwed over.
Or did i get lost in the prs post ;)
You got lost. It's okay, I'm trying to make clarifications before accusations so it's a bit hard to follow.
Great-Kazoo
12-10-2018, 20:37
You got lost. It's okay, I'm trying to make clarifications before accusations so it's a bit hard to follow.
Ahh ye ol j'accuse ploy. enteresting. very enteresting.
buffalobo
12-10-2018, 21:04
Meh, should be between a worker and their employer. No need for govt involvement.
Great-Kazoo
12-10-2018, 21:08
Meh, should be between a worker and their employer. No need for govt involvement.
That ship sailed after Johnsons Great Society.
Quick math off the top of my head:
1% of everyone's salary capped at 12 weeks. Assuming 45 working years, and avg 2 children per family, that's 45% of your annual salary committed towards paying benefits of 24 weeks (46% of year). Seems equal on it's face, but the child bearing age will have the lowest wage (and thus, lowest benefit) while the last 20 years of work will have the highest wage by far (probably a factor of 2x), and ofc few people could actually take 12 weeks off of work for a variety of reasons. It seems to me that quite a bit more will be deducted than will be paid. Unless of course, benefits are paid to a lot of non-contributors to make the avg child per income far higher than 2, which seems likely.
I don't necessarily have an issue with this, but I think it should sorta be pay-to-play, in many regards. This should be built like an HSA account, that rolls over and can be invested. And you can draw down unused portions after age 65. Reward people for being invested in their future, and make it equal between child and non-child families. Have 8 kids before 25? Yeah, you're probably not getting 12 weeks of for each of them. Have on kid at 30? F it, take 16 or 20 if you can swing it through your account if you want. Or only take what you need and build it for retirement. (Could also open it up to medical costs after an arbitrary age, like 45)
Problem with handout benefits is its a "commons" problem... people use it to the maximum, even if unnecessary to do so.
Bolded is the only reason they want this. On it's face it's an issue that every conservative that has ever uttered anything about the importance of family should be behind 100% if they actually believed what they were preaching. In reality, it's a way to create yet another pool of free money that can just be invested and used on an unlimited amount of other projects with no strings attached and with zero oversight. Individual plans as suggested by foxtrot would provide the most long term benefit to people as a whole, but probably wouldn't work that well in reality for the same reasons as in the bold section. Even if everyone was allowed some sort of very broad use HSA from the very first day of their working life until they were old, the vast majority of young workers wouldn't contribute, and even those that did may not have earned enough money to be useful by the time they had their first kid.
Unless it wasn't voluntary [Beer] as much as it might piss some people off, the long term benefits of low mandatory HSA, 401K, and in this case - FAM (family account), help everyone in the long term.
Except, as with Social Security, the natural tendency of government to spend money left in their care on shit that was never intended is inevitable. If it was a mandatory contribution to a privately held investment fund, the government would simply nationalize the banks and seize the money "for the good of the people".
kidicarus13
12-10-2018, 23:05
Freshman lawmaker Tom Sullivan, whose son died in the Aurora theater shooting,?will be the lead house sponsor of?a red flag gun bill?in the upcoming legislative? session.
https://www.cpr.org/news/story/rep-elect-tom-sullivan-whose-son-died-in-aurora-will-co-sponsor-red-flag-gun-bill
Firehaus
12-10-2018, 23:32
Freshman lawmaker Tom Sullivan, whose son died in the Aurora theater shooting,?will be the lead house sponsor of?a red flag gun bill?in the upcoming legislative? session.
https://www.cpr.org/news/story/rep-elect-tom-sullivan-whose-son-died-in-aurora-will-co-sponsor-red-flag-gun-bill
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I don’t need 1% taken from my pay. My wife stays at home with the kids and I save comp time and PTO for such needs.
What I need is for Polis and his ilk to overdose on poppers and shingella.
I don’t need 1% taken from my pay. My wife stays at home with the kids and I save comp time and PTO for such needs.
What I need is for Polis and his ilk to overdose on poppers and shingella.
Neither do I, I don't have children so why am I on the financial hook for this bullshit. I will NEVER get to use this "benefit" because I'm too old to have children.
Children are the main selling point but it sounds like they’re including in it basic caregiving.
The problem is for most it will only provide the illusion of a safety net and necessitate part time work, at least, during that period of “benefit”.
When that fails, another gov benefit will be “necessary”.
Those who understand this prior will never use the “benefit”, but will pay for it nonetheless.
FWIW, my fav part of the article is the quote from Moreno (D - Commerce City)
"If you are getting something in return, then it can be considered a fee," Moreno said.
So... taxes give nothing in return, Mr. Moreno?
Heh.
How would this apply to people like IT guys that work from home for a company based elsewhere?
I was under the impression that companies with remote workers have a business “presence” in the state of residence of the worker, and are therefore subject to state law for that worker.
Can someone confirm/deny?
68Charger
12-11-2018, 13:00
I was under the impression that companies with remote workers have a business ?presence? in the state of residence of the worker, and are therefore subject to state law for that worker.
Can someone confirm/deny?
When you are on payroll in Colorado, you will have taxes withheld for CO, and will be subject to labor laws there.
I was remote worker in Colorado for years my employer is based out of NY, but had offices in CO- also, I was temporarily assigned to go to Tulsa for 7 weeks, and they withheld OK takes while I was there- in addition to CO taxes.
Once I moved to Texas, I filed with the company that my new base of remote operations was TX, and the CO withholding stopped.
What if there are no offices in Colorado?
How does being a 1099 change that?
Great-Kazoo
12-11-2018, 15:52
What if there are no offices in Colorado?
How does being a 1099 change that?
Always best to speak with your accountant, when it comes to tax questions. .
68Charger
12-11-2018, 20:45
What if there are no offices in Colorado?
How does being a 1099 change that?
Technically, if you're working in Colorado there's a presence there... could an individual get away with pretending their income is in another state the company is in? sure- but good luck if you're audited.
The short answer is that a 1099 will be filing taxes similar to a business... quarterly payments, etc... you're not an employee but a contractor.
I'm not an accountant- I won't be responsible if you make any life decisions based on this...
I'm not asking for advice here, or for me. I was just curious.
It's a "fee" not a tax. No tax evasion then.
68Charger
12-12-2018, 07:10
I'm not asking for advice here, or for me. I was just curious.
That wasn't directed at you specifically, just a catch-all to those reading it. I don't want Hell's accountants coming after me on their fuel-efficient scooters.
I'll say first that I don't support this, but there is something in here that would benefit us childfree folks.
Current federal law mandates you can keep your job if you need to take time off from work to care for yourself or a loved one if they are sick or just gave birth. It does not, however, mandate you should be paid.
When a family member is sick or a new baby is born, employees could then request benefits from the state.
Obviously the wording of the actual bill could be different, but it seems to apply to FMLA or sick leave as well.
Great-Kazoo
12-12-2018, 21:28
I'll say first that I don't support this, but there is something in here that would benefit us childfree folks.
Obviously the wording of the actual bill could be different, but it seems to apply to FMLA or sick leave as well.
Those buzz words translate to: Once you've exhausted all PTO, sick days and any comp time. Sounds like a loose form of workers comp.
First legislative session was yesterday.
For all those that think that any of the Family Leave, single payer, etc are good ideas... (maybe a DEM is reading this).
Here is a direct effect. I have 2 to 3 engineering positions I was going to fill this year. Not any more.
I have to expand my manufacturing operations. My manufacturing orders went up 10X for Q2 2019. I will hire a few extra people but not many.
Basically, DEMS have added to much uncertainty with respect to employees so until the dust settles, I try not to hire. And I have interviews with two engineers this morning. I have not decided if I will fill the open positions.
So, the direct result is less hiring.
Lippy Laroux
01-05-2019, 14:13
I will shut down my Classic car restoration operation here and do all my work from my AZ shop. I don't need this crap. Four employees will be let go or have to move to AZ.
For all those that think that any of the Family Leave, single payer, etc are good ideas... (maybe a DEM is reading this).
Here is a direct effect. I have 2 to 3 engineering positions I was going to fill this year. Not any more.
I have to expand my manufacturing operations. My manufacturing orders went up 10X for Q2 2019. I will hire a few extra people but not many.
Basically, DEMS have added to much uncertainty with respect to employees so until the dust settles, I try not to hire. And I have interviews with two engineers this morning. I have not decided if I will fill the open positions.
So, the direct result is less hiring.
Can you elaborate a little more? Do these things raise your employee costs enough that the revenue generated by a 10x increase in orders does not offset 2-3 engineering positions?
Just trying to understand.
Can you elaborate a little more? Do these things raise your employee costs enough that the revenue generated by a 10x increase in orders does not offset 2-3 engineering positions?
Just trying to understand.
Enough uncertainty that I won't hire as many as I would have.
Also questioning where to manufacture. Was going to be CO. Arrived in in the EU this morning and this week discussing Czech production site.
Having possible radical changes that drive up costs possible does not make businesses want to hire.
One hope is participating in the "industry partnership" workshops over the family leave bill. We are hoping to try and help steer them away or not do too much damage. I dont have a lot of hope of working with DEMS.
Cujo0920
01-06-2019, 09:58
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918-1956
Rucker61
01-09-2019, 15:15
So when do we start seeing new bills on these state Democratic platform points?
Firearms and Gun Safety
We agree with individual ownership of firearms for hunting and personal safety, but also believe that firearms should be
regulated as follows:
1. Ban assault weapons, bump stocks, and high capacity magazines.
2. Enact universal background checks federally.
3. Enact restrictions: Must be 21 and must demonstrate competency with firearms to purchase a firearm.
4. Prohibit the possession and purchase of firearms by people with violent criminal offenses or on terrorist watch list.
5. Except for security personnel, ban firearms on K-12 schools, college campuses and allow cultural institutions to ban firearms on their premises.
6. Enact Extreme Risk Protection Order law, which would allow families and law enforcement to seek a court order to temporarily disarm a person who is dangerous to themselves or others.
7. Enact criminal penalties when adults fail to properly store firearms and minors gain access and harm themselves or others.
8. Restrict firearms use in National Forest to designated areas, except during hunting season.
9. Allow the CDC and other government agencies to conduct gun violence research, and properly fund.
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918-1956
Aleksandr was right.
Unfortunately 98% of the people in this country who could take up arms against their oppressor won't, they're too comfortable and complacent, me included.
Nobody wants to start anything because there aren't enough people willing to join in.
As a result we'll get the government we deserve.
So when do we start seeing new bills on these state Democratic platform points?
Firearms and Gun Safety
We agree with individual ownership of firearms for hunting and personal safety, but also believe that firearms should be
regulated as follows:
1. Ban assault weapons, bump stocks, and high capacity magazines.
2. Enact universal background checks federally.
3. Enact restrictions: Must be 21 and must demonstrate competency with firearms to purchase a firearm.
4. Prohibit the possession and purchase of firearms by people with violent criminal offenses or on terrorist watch list.
5. Except for security personnel, ban firearms on K-12 schools, college campuses and allow cultural institutions to ban firearms on their premises.
6. Enact Extreme Risk Protection Order law, which would allow families and law enforcement to seek a court order to temporarily disarm a person who is dangerous to themselves or others.
7. Enact criminal penalties when adults fail to properly store firearms and minors gain access and harm themselves or others.
8. Restrict firearms use in National Forest to designated areas, except during hunting season.
9. Allow the CDC and other government agencies to conduct gun violence research, and properly fund.
I posted this in the Polis thread too; we need to organize as soon as possible, and be ready to fight with the only thing those people understand...throwing them out of office.
We only need to flip two senators to block gun control at the legislature. We need to go after these three before it is passed with the ultimatum that they will be recalled; maybe just show up at the hearings with the petitions in hand and organize rather than listen to their BS because they won't listen to us anyway.
Leroy Garcia, District 3 (this was Giron's seat so he knows a recall is possible)
Pete Lee, District 11 (this was Morse's seat so he also knows a recall is possible)
Tammy Story, District 16 (this is Neville's seat that he lost, and a lot of mountain people will trash her on the gun issue)
Jessie Danielson (D20) and Brittany Patterson (D22) are possibilities too.
Faith Winter (D24) is another one too; she flipped the seat from Beth Martinez Humenik
Pancho Villa
01-11-2019, 21:39
Does anyone have any actual contacts with people who are spooling up legislation or is this all speculation?
Does anyone have any actual contacts with people who are spooling up legislation or is this all speculation?
Good place to start.
https://leg.colorado.gov/bill-search?field_chamber=All&field_bill_type=All&field_sessions=57701&sort_bef_combine=search_api_relevance%20DESC
Expect them to go full Oregon, where a bill has been introduced limiting ammunition purchases to 20 rounds a month (among other things), then out of the goodness of their hearts, offer to "compromise".
https://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/news/politics/2019/01/11/oregon-bill-would-require-permits-buy-guns-limit-ammunition/2527929002/
O2
...I should add. We won't see any legislation until the next school or other high profile shooting. Then, like New York's SAFE act, legislation will be proposed, passed and signed into law in less than 48 hours.
The dems know how to get stuff passed with a minimum of bother from the serfs.
We won't know what hit us.
O2
...I should add. We won't see any legislation until the next school or other high profile shooting. Then, like New York's SAFE act, legislation will be proposed, passed and signed into law in less than 48 hours.
[snip]
So all we have to do to keep our rights is make sure no pot/SSRI addled young men from secular progressive homes, who have been programmed by media to believe black rifle violence (SWIDT?) is way to gain notoriety and set right the injustices of their own narcissistic behavior, shoot up any schools?
Seems easy.
When has pot ever been part of that equation?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=link+between+teen+marijuana+use+and+violence
Pot leads to school shootings is another big leap on your part.
Pot leads to school shootings is another big leap on your part.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/parkland-shooting-suspect-nikolas-cruz-spoke-voices-says-he-attempted-n898151
During the interview, he says that he had used a lot of marijuana and had taken a lot of the prescription tranquilizer Xanax.
This is the asshole who just won Florida their red flag "law."
http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2041634,00.html?xid=rss-mostpopular
An Army official says Loughner admitted he was a regular marijuana user.
This is the asshole who got us Everytown.
https://kdvr.com/2015/02/02/new-state-study-highlights-negative-effects-of-marijuana-on-adolescent-young-adult-brains/
Aurora theater gunman James Holmes was being treated for some form of psychoses by University of Colorado doctors. Acquaintances have said Holmes smoked pot regularly.
This is the asshole who got us mag bans.
Okay you win. The oldest drug known to man has recently started a rash of school shootings.
68Charger
02-05-2019, 12:49
When did Sturving become a pro-drug SJW?
[mop]
I'm sure it feels like that (I don't know about the SJW part).
The second Colorado started talking about decriminalization, people started complaining that every traffic infraction they saw was "some stoner." Same shitty drivers every day, but now it was all being blamed on weed. When PokemonGo came out, I kept hearing people complaining about how people were just zombies on their phones because they were all playing PokemonGo. Really? People have been glued to their cell phones for the past 20 years, and now if you see someone not paying attention it's because of Pokemon? Then that died down and people went back to just regular complaining. It's just human nature to pick the newest change in your environment and start blaming everything you can on it. Pot, pokemon, liberals, puppy mills, texting, whatever. I know it's annoying, but if I feel like something is getting blamed that may not be related, I'm going to say something about it. I feel like Colorado has been swirling the bowl since before I was old enough to understand and experience the changes myself, and regardless of legal weed, the population here is growing and we're getting all the increased regulation and dipshit nanny state laws that come with that. I just can't imagine any other place of similar population levels where people aren't spending most of their time complaining about things they don't like.
There's a high coorelation between violent poeople and those who drank mother's milk as a baby, too.
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I'm sure it feels like that (I don't know about the SJW part).
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It's just human nature to pick the newest change in your environment and start blaming everything you can on it. Pot, pokemon, liberals, puppy mills, texting, whatever.
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It is also "just human nature" to take an unprincipled stand on things that are opposed to the actions of one's self, one's family, and one's close friends. Illegal Aliens, Pot, welfare, whatever.
However, it does not create truth in one's argument.
Great-Kazoo
02-05-2019, 14:28
I forgot about illegals.
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68Charger
02-05-2019, 14:47
I'm sure it feels like that (I don't know about the SJW part).
The second Colorado started talking about decriminalization, people started complaining that every traffic infraction they saw was "some stoner." Same shitty drivers every day, but now it was all being blamed on weed. When PokemonGo came out, I kept hearing people complaining about how people were just zombies on their phones because they were all playing PokemonGo. Really? People have been glued to their cell phones for the past 20 years, and now if you see someone not paying attention it's because of Pokemon? Then that died down and people went back to just regular complaining. It's just human nature to pick the newest change in your environment and start blaming everything you can on it. Pot, pokemon, liberals, puppy mills, texting, whatever. I know it's annoying, but if I feel like something is getting blamed that may not be related, I'm going to say something about it. I feel like Colorado has been swirling the bowl since before I was old enough to understand and experience the changes myself, and regardless of legal weed, the population here is growing and we're getting all the increased regulation and dipshit nanny state laws that come with that. I just can't imagine any other place of similar population levels where people aren't spending most of their time complaining about things they don't like.
It's not like legal weed is the latest thing in Colorado... been over 5 years now, hasn't it?
I wasn't in the metro... so didn't see the decline caused by liberalization directly (until the gunpocalypse of 2012)... but started seeing major changes that seemed related to MJ legalization- been involved with several discussions on this site (and several others)... And I continue to have discussions because there are people who want legalization in TX. I'm going to continue to fight against it, because I believe wholeheartedly that it would lead to TX being a blue state sooner than it is already doomed to.
But at least I now understand what you're doing.... even if I can't identify with it or why.
That's not what this thread is about.
Great-Kazoo
02-05-2019, 15:09
That's not what this thread is about.
This could get interesting.
.455_Hunter
02-05-2019, 15:25
Oh please, all of ya'll mentioning the illegals but now I do & suddenly it's not about that and they are unmentionable? Miss me. This thread is titled "SO WHAT DO OUR NEW OVERLORDS HAVE PLANNED FOR US". Trump is head overlord isn't he? So this is the correct thread for this post. If my comment is not in the right place then I'll move it to whatever thread you want but it does not change the facts or the laws, which are to use E-verify and NOT hire illegals while hypocritically condemning them. You specifically forgot about illegals in this thread so I thoughtfully & factually reminded you, in the same thread.
I am the OP, and this thread was intended to discuss the legislative plans of the "D"-trifecta once again infesting the Colorado State Capitol, not really the national debate on immigrants or general Trump policies.
Firehaus
02-05-2019, 16:28
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.455_Hunter
02-05-2019, 16:38
Really? I didn't see many factual discussions, I saw some daydreaming:
"I envision a fee to use the gas pump."
I saw some kooky hypotheticals about policy, including about "Illegals":
"Repealing TABOR will be their first priority, so they can push for socialist single payer medical, expanded services for LGBT & Illlegal Aliens"
I saw the usual whiney "Welcome to New California, blah blah."
I saw the usual insulting/bashing of others "I trust Libs about as much as a fart at Casa Bonita."
I saw this nonsense: "LBGTQWREOJMSPOHSA ..we just all need to cross dress, talk about our sexuality, and carry guns so we are accepted".
I saw gay sex & butt joke attempts: "In the end, one way or another we will get the short shitty end of the stick. Is this a reference to the new governor's boyfriend?" along with silly videos.
I saw more silly videos about where to hide your weed stash.
I saw some advise on hiding & deleting your online activity: When we do get some kind of draconian gun laws, I'd like to see the owners of this site delete all the posts and start over fresh so as to not give the State a place to search and find what many of us have said in the past.
I saw this post which I did not think was related: I have no problem with kids. I have problems with people that expect others to pay for their kids, or pay for them to take time off to have them.
I saw a post listing "Buzz words to trigger white guilt" which included "Immigrants. Not illegal, just immigrants. The all inclusive umbrella which shines false hopes on those coming to America, Illegally."
I saw this personal wish list: This should be built like an HSA account, that rolls over and can be invested. And you can draw down unused portions after age 65. Reward people for being invested in their future, and make it equal between child and non-child families. Have 8 kids before 25? Yeah, you're probably not getting 12 weeks of for each of them. Have on kid at 30? F it, take 16 or 20 if you can swing it through your account if you want. Or only take what you need and build it for retirement.
I saw some death wishes: What I need is for Polis and his ilk to overdose on poppers and shingella.
I saw this melancholic post: I will NEVER get to use this "benefit" because I'm too old to have children.
I saw some people asking for tax advise: What if there are no offices in Colorado?
How does being a 1099 change that?
I saw Tax advise being given: The short answer is that a 1099 will be filing taxes similar to a business... quarterly payments, etc... you're not an employee but a contractor.
I saw this stream of speculation: So all we have to do to keep our rights is make sure no pot/SSRI addled young men from secular progressive homes, who have been programmed by media to believe black rifle violence (SWIDT?) is way to gain notoriety and set right the injustices of their own narcissistic behavior, shoot up any schools?
And this noteworthy 2 cents: There's a high coorelation between violent poeople and those who drank mother's milk as a baby, too.
These comments are totallly acceptable, totally in the right place & are great examples of the intellectual & factual discussion on the legislative plans in Colorado State Capitol that this thread was intended to be. My apologies, I shall do better & take my cue from these enlightening contribuitions as examples.
You are one that specifically referenced back to my thread title, not the other people.
Glorida, if you are going to cherry pick comments and declare them unrelated, I would suggest you read the thread again, as my comment you used was in direct conversation about proposed legislation BY OUR NEW OVERLORDS.
kidicarus13
02-05-2019, 16:56
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68Charger
02-05-2019, 17:36
Nope, wrong thread! If you want to discuss Xanax, put that in the Xanax prescriptions thread!
You're going to have to start your own, I can't find one...
Okay you win. The oldest drug known to man has recently started a rash of school shootings.
Also not what I said..
So all we have to do to keep our rights is make sure no pot/SSRI addled young men from secular progressive homes, who have been programmed by media to believe black rifle violence (SWIDT?) is way to gain notoriety and set right the injustices of their own narcissistic behavior, shoot up any schools?
Seems easy.
buffalobo
02-05-2019, 18:20
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Zundfolge
02-09-2019, 17:53
Yep it looks like red flag laws will be the first thing they do:
https://www.krdo.com/news/krdo-exclusive-1-on-1-with-colorado-gov-jared-polis/1005533201
Polis dodged all the other gun control related issues. If you watch the video clip the segment on gun control starts at about 3:38
Also at about 2:10 you see the "reporter" catch himself in bias with a comment about the voters "sadly" not voting for tax hikes.
kidicarus13
02-10-2019, 10:27
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gun-seizures-spike-nationally-as-states-pass-laws-aimed-at-curbing-mass-shootings
More than 1,700 orders allowing guns to be seized for weeks, months or up to a year were issued in 2018 by the courts after they determined the individuals were a threat to themselves or others. The actual number is probably much higher since the data was incomplete and didn't include California...
"Not only does there need to be a medical professional, there also needs to be a judicial process around this.
A medical professional? How about an psychiatric professional that isn't biased against guns.
A judicial process? Does this mean he won't sign the "red flag" law if there isn't a means to return the firearms to the rightful owner in the event that the rightful owner was determined NOT to be a nut like the rightful owners neighbor (for instance) said they were? Does this mean the rightful owner gets to sue the crap out of their accuser after the false accusation?
Do you people who voted (D) and own guns (shame on you) understand that these charges could be leveled against you?
I'm guessing we might see something tomorrow. Depends if the Colorado left is waiting for a shooting or will springboard off an anniversary of a shooting.
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Like the Valentine's Day Massacre if they can't find anything else?
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