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BPTactical
11-27-2018, 08:20
Just another reason to not ever go to Denver, City and County of: https://kdvr.com/2018/11/27/denver-city-council-passes-ordinance-to-create-safe-injection-site/
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuccccccccccckkkkkkkkkk
Alright! We can go shoot up, OD, and they'll save us with Naloxone every time. I wonder how fast they'll run out of Naloxone.
I wonder how much the city will pay when the first junkie dies in their shooting gallery. How much money will the aid worker get when some junkie sticks them and they get aids or hep?
So when will they set up a safe site for meth and cocaine users?
thedave1164
11-27-2018, 10:19
yeah, it has worked so well in other places like san francisco.......
USMC88-93
11-27-2018, 10:21
Its my understanding that in some way the state legislature must approve or allow this as well. Once upon a time I would have said there was no chance of it but now I have no doubt this state is irrevocably hosed.
beast556
11-27-2018, 11:09
Pathetic!!!!!!
Scanker19
11-27-2018, 11:16
Coming soon to Denver...
https://youtu.be/9fWGKrxV3Pc
Glad I really have no reason whatsoever to visit LoDo. The 16th Street Mall is going to be 10x more dangerous and will continue to be so. Tourists are gonna love it!
When are they going to provide us a protected place to shoot (which is legal)?
"We need more laws" is the answer of the left....and then you get this. [Bang]
BushMasterBoy
11-27-2018, 12:05
Maybe we should setup overdose stations. Go there to overdose, get a free bodybag and toe tag. Cheaper in the long run. Great capitalist solution. You could even get a Broncos orange body bag.
newracer
11-27-2018, 12:31
Its my understanding that in some way the state legislature must approve or allow this as well. Once upon a time I would have said there was no chance of it but now I have no doubt this state is irrevocably hosed.
Yes the legislature still needs to make changes that would allow the sites but that will likely happen now.
Where is all the data?
The left ignore the data and go with their "feels".
I'm trying to imagine anyone who's posted so far reading any research into this or following actual results in any other location, but I just can't do it.
I've seen articles about theses sites for years, but it's always a piece about the conflict between the people who want it and the people who don't, never anything tangible one way or the other.
Rooskibar03
11-27-2018, 13:06
How about free supplies for diabetics?
BPTactical
11-27-2018, 13:07
Where is all the data?
Lets try this on for size: https://m.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Number-of-people-shooting-up-drugs-in-SF-rises-50-13333141.php
Paints a rosy picture
SamuraiCO
11-27-2018, 13:56
Progressive logic. Something illegal (drugs) given their safe space to do shoot up. But something legal (anything 2A) is bad and illegal if it scares them. What would be ironic if they placed GPS devices on the drug addicts to pinpoint where they buy junk from and get the dealers.
Denver is the mile high city.
colorider
11-27-2018, 15:19
The Purge
The news I've been hearing is all over the place. I've heard this is the first time its been tried in Merica. I've heard California passed a statewide proposal and Brown dig not sign it. The first one is private funded for testing, then we pay for it. Funny because the head tax collector was on the radio talking about how serious they are gonna get about out of state sales tax. Already been discussed here. So this is just one more expense for big brother to pick up. Some argue it may have been caused by the friendly treatment of 'Big Pharma". I'm not sure. What I do know is it is tough to wrap my head around the selective enforcement of laws and the laws that by all rights should have not even been passed. Even tougher to explain to my kids how to navigate this logic less mess we call progress. Oh and the same revenue guy spoke about how much weed money actually hits the budget, it's not as much as you'd hope.
Everyone is looking at this all wrong. This will be some of the best people watching around.
Not that this is any argument for or against, but people frequently refer to laws already on the books, but I can't think of many laws that are less effective than current drug laws. That doesn't mean that THIS is the answer, just an observation.
OtterbatHellcat
11-27-2018, 20:36
Maybe we should setup overdose stations. Go there to overdose, get a free bodybag and toe tag. Cheaper in the long run. Great capitalist solution. You could even get a Broncos orange body bag.
This is where I'm at on the whole thing.
Where is all the data?
Not a dig to your view, brother.... I think that absorbing all the data available about it, however much *good* there could be from it....I don't like the stations for the very reason BMB stated in the post above.
Progressive logic. Something illegal (drugs) given their safe space to do shoot up. But something legal (anything 2A) is bad and illegal if it scares them. What would be ironic if they placed GPS devices on the drug addicts to pinpoint where they buy junk from and get the dealers.
This ^^^^ is an awesome idea.
Everyone is looking at this all wrong. This will be some of the best people watching around.
Only if everyone crowds the stations every day "to like, totally ruin my epic high, bro". :)
Hoping for an OD cure drug shortage. Stop hijacking Darwinism and let the stupid meet the fate they were heading towards.
Drug use is a self solving problem. Let the druggies die from their OD and toss them in the garbage where they belong.
The Purge
...of rational thought.
Everyone is looking at this all wrong. This will be some of the best people watching around.
If you want to just see them lay there...then maybe.
DavieD55
11-27-2018, 22:02
You can't help junkies and addicts by promoting and encouraging them to use narcotics. Regardless of how the left and their main stream propaganda machine try to spin this in a way to make this sound reasonable or normal, it is NOT! This is a dangerous leftist experiment and agenda and in no way is this good for the general welfare or the safety and health of society.
It is much easier to force socialism on a dependent drugged up society and that IS what it's really all about... this is really about taking advantage and exacerbating the problem to create and manufacture dependency at the expense of taxpayers.
I've seen articles about theses sites for years, but it's always a piece about the conflict between the people who want it and the people who don't, never anything tangible one way or the other.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S095539591830183X?via%3Dihub
There are a few articles on this topic. Here's one.
RblDiver
11-29-2018, 22:55
Don't suppose we can get a safe place to buy 30-round magazines, can we? >.>
Lets try this on for size: https://m.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Number-of-people-shooting-up-drugs-in-SF-rises-50-13333141.php
Paints a rosy picture
From the article
"There is a national opioid epidemic, and S.F. is not an exception," said SFDPH Director of Communications Rachael Kagan.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S095539591830183X?via%3Dihub
There are a few articles on this topic. Here's one.
The link you posted seems to be about drinking, is that the right one?
I'm not for or against these "safe spaces" or whatever, because I don't know enough about them. I think there are some interesting things being looked at more recently that seem to have a good track record for curing people of addictions, but since they require the use of other currently illegal drugs, they aren't really getting any traction.
Great-Kazoo
11-30-2018, 08:51
Don't suppose we can get a safe place to buy 30-round magazines, can we? >.>
A Long, long time ago
in a land far, far away.
Realistically the "state" condones what it wan't the populace to feel it's doing for them. The homeless is an issue the feels generation[s] can wrap it's head around.
What Irv was, i believe, alluding to is. At what point will the same metrosexual feels group become vocally outraged enough at the swarms of junkies littering the downtown area. That the state says OK we're pulling the plug on this social experiment.
Transferring that money towards more sanctuary city, legal defense programs [facepalm]
I don't think the state should be spending money on a drug problem, ESPECIALLY if it's not working toward a cure. If it's just a bandaid, then what is the point?
beast556
11-30-2018, 10:13
I don't think the state should be spending money on a drug problem, ESPECIALLY if it's not working toward a cure. If it's just a bandaid, then what is the point?
It's all for the feels, you don't want anyone to get there feelings hurt?
I don't think the state should be spending money on a drug problem, ESPECIALLY if it's not working toward a cure. If it's just a bandaid, then what is the point?
We're talking about the government here, they don't need a goal, they just need our money. Never you mind what they do with our money after they've stolen it.
It's selective law enforcement. A really slippery slope and a really bad idea.
BPTactical
11-30-2018, 16:13
I don't think the state should be spending money on a drug problem, ESPECIALLY if it's not working toward a cure. If it's just a bandaid, then what is the point?
Allegedly there will be no public funds utilized for this.
Allegedly there will be no public funds utilized for this.
Allegedly....
They're lying when they say no public funds. Just wait until the first lawsuit after some junkie sticks the attendant with needle that has already seen 20 different junkies...then we'll see if public funds are used.
There is so much here that can and will go wrong.
1st junkie den should be next door to the president of the Denver city council.
OtterbatHellcat
11-30-2018, 19:49
Or a tent on hickenloopers driveway even.
Or a tent on hickenloopers driveway even.
Oh I like that idea.
It would be great if that stupid fuck got AIDS off a dirty needle he stepped on just before he announces his 2020 presidential run.
BladesNBarrels
12-01-2018, 10:42
From what I understand, the fed's will make a decision and that will influence the enforcement no matter what the state's position.
This could be the continuation of the "State's Rights" battle that transcends drug enforcement policy.
Interesting times for an observer.
DavieD55
12-01-2018, 14:55
This has nothing to do with helping people or finding a cure for drug addiction. It isn't normal nor is it an acceptable role for people in the government to provide addicts with places to get high. The state shouldn't be harboring illegal aliens or fostering safe havens for drug cartels to operate under sanctuary city policies either.
Let's just call it insanity because that is what it is.
Feds shut it down.
https://www.9news.com/article/news/local/next/feds-issue-scathing-response-to-denvers-supervised-injection-ordinance/73-620913839
Aw darn, now the shooting gallery won't be built in Cherry Creek next to the day spa.
Feds shut it down.
https://www.9news.com/article/news/local/next/feds-issue-scathing-response-to-denvers-supervised-injection-ordinance/73-620913839
No, Feds fired a shot across their bow. They are moving forward anyway.
State Representative Leslie Herod (D-Denver) said she will be one of the sponsors for a bill to waive the nuisance ordinance. She said the bill is in the works of being written and the plan is still to introduce it during it in January, despite what the U.S. Attorney's Office and DEA said.
No, Feds fired a shot across their bow. They are moving forward anyway.
Of course they are, they aren't bound by federal law. Rules are for proles, not for the learned elite.
But who would risk the fine and jailing for running such a site?
Essentially shut down regardless of what the liberal wishes are.
But who would risk the fine and jailing for running such a site?
Essentially shut down regardless of what the liberal wishes are.
The same kind of people who run pot shops.
one of the questions is "Will DEA do something or is the DEA just blowing smoke?".
Peter Boyles had a guy who has seen the carnage in Vancouver, just awful and then add the cartel influence.
I don't feel one ounce of sympathy for a junkie, part of me hopes they all OD on fentanyl. The people I feel bad for are the parents who have to watch their child sink into this depravity.
Denver city council should be crucified over this abject stupidity, the pain and suffering they are bringing to Denver should be a capital offense.
The same kind of people who run pot shops.
How exactly does a free injection site make money? Comparing them to pot shops is dumb considering the money pot shops make.
KevDen2005
12-05-2018, 10:33
No, Feds fired a shot across their bow. They are moving forward anyway.
Definitely agree it's just a warning.
They are going to push until they get some kind of ability to run this. It will happen I think sooner or later. Denver and Colorado want to be the leaders in the progressive liberal world utopia.
kidicarus13
12-05-2018, 10:52
Of course they are, they aren't bound by federal law. Rules are for proles, not for the learned elite.Marijuana is illegal federally, CO don't care.
How exactly does a free injection site make money?
Haven't you learned yet that nothing is free, someone is going to pay and that someone is Joe Schmoe the working man. If you believe the lie that "no public funds will be used" then I can't help you.
I can only speculate on how they'll make money on it t but I do know that this wouldn't be happening unless someone's pockets were getting greased.
Maybe a city council person has a buddy (developer) who owns an empty building and they'll charge Denver some atrocious sum to rent it, and the city council person will get a cut. Maybe the cartel promised someone campaign funds if they'd legalize smack. These are democrats we're talking about and they don't have morals or ethics, truly "the ends justify the means" is all we need to know.
Comparing them to pot shops is dumb considering the money pot shops make.
I didn't compare this to a pot shop, I said the same kind of people will staff it. The kind of people who think they're exempt from prosecution or the kind of bleeding heart scum who think that the risk of getting stuck with an AIDS needle is worth "just one life".
Marijuana is illegal federally, CO don't care.
Right.
Now, what federal laws am I exempt from.
None.
Right.
Now, what federal laws am I exempt from.
None.
Damn. Where's that LIKE button?
Right.
Now, what federal laws am I exempt from.
None.
The exact same ones that the people you are complaining about are exempt from, whether you choose to utilize that is up to you.
theGinsue
12-05-2018, 22:08
This has nothing to do with helping people or finding a cure for drug addiction. It isn't normal nor is it an acceptable role for people in the government to provide addicts with places to get high. The state shouldn't be harboring illegal aliens or fostering safe havens for drug cartels to operate under sanctuary city policies either.
Let's just call it insanity because that is what it is.
Precisely how I feel on the subject.
I'm still at a loss as to how anyone believes that this will help solve the problem of opioid/narcotic drug abuse (then again, I'm ASSUMING they want to resolve the problem) when all they are actually doing is helping to enable the behavior.
I don't realistically see deaths or hospitalizations from overdoses dropping just because you're going to offer a "safe/supervised" location where people can shoot up. Sure, they might be able to administer Narcan or whatever product to those ODing in their presence but I think it'll be a drop in the bucket. Oh, but they'll be offering flyers (which will then litter the streets) and services which can help these poor unfortunates. Does anyone really think for a second that anyone doesn't know these services exist? Do they really believe that these drug users will say "Well sh*t, I didn't know this option was available. Let me drop this needle full of heroin and go to one of these treatment facilities right now"? Dang it liberals, WAKE THE F UP TO REALITY!
What I do expect to see is more used needles all over the streets for blocks around this site. I expect crime within a mile of this site to skyrocket. I expect more noise, more violence and less safety for the users as well as neighbors and citizens within the area of this site. When this fails to improve anything on the drug front and destroys the area around this site, how long will it be before they admit their failure? Will they then just decide to open another facility someplace else and try again because, well, "they just didn't do it right right time, but now we know better how to implement it"?
Feds shut it down.
https://www.9news.com/article/news/local/next/feds-issue-scathing-response-to-denvers-supervised-injection-ordinance/73-620913839
No, Feds fired a shot across their bow. They are moving forward anyway.
Of course they are, they aren't bound by federal law. Rules are for proles, not for the learned elite.
Yep. Places like Denver (soon to be most of CO, CA (most of the state), Seattle, etc. are thumbing their noses at the .fed and claiming that they can pick and choose which federal laws apply to them, but by golly they still expect to receive every federal tax dollar they believe should be coming to them. The liberal courts only made things worse by reinforcing this belief by telling the .fed that they can not withhold federal tax dollars when states/cities refuse to enforce federal law. Funny, I seem to recall the .fed having no problem withholding tax dollars from states that refused to abide by the old 55MPH speed limit.
What I do expect to see is more used needles all over the streets for blocks around this site.
Just on this point alone, isn't the part of the purpose of these sites to provide clean needles? I thought that part of this was providing clean needles to reduce spreading disease, so I have to imagine that part of the way they operate would be to leave the used needle on site to be properly disposed. That being said, lack of used needles around is hardly an argument for the whole operation.
I've been struggling since the thread was posted to remember what any positives to this type of operation were when presented in the media. I can't for the life of me think of anything that sticks out more than the clean needle use. That by itself is such a small thing that it's like, who cares? Unless this was done in conjunction with some proven treatment to actually help people rid themselves of their addiction, I just don't see the point and the negatives really vastly outweigh any positives. Money, public or private, doesn't really matter* where it comes from, should be used toward cures, not comfort while someone navigates an addiction that generally only leads to one place.
*I'm not saying that I don't care if public money is used. I'm saying that regardless of where the money comes from, be it the passionate private sector, or the stolen public sector, it should be used well. This idea is lacking.
BPTactical
12-05-2018, 23:03
I just wish the .Gov had the cajones to ENFORCE Federal law, withhold funding from states and cities violating Federal laws and charging AND prosecuting officials that defy Federal law.
Hammer a few of the highest nails down deep and watch how fast this shit stops.
Great-Kazoo
12-05-2018, 23:37
Just on this point alone, isn't the part of the purpose of these sites to provide clean needles? I thought that part of this was providing clean needles to reduce spreading disease, so I have to imagine that part of the way they operate would be to leave the used needle on site to be properly disposed. That being said, lack of used needles around is hardly an argument for the whole operation.
The same people justifying this shit are the same ones who said something similar about the homeless.
If we give them a place to stay, the homeless problem will no longer be an issue for those living where the homeless now reside.
Providing Narcan to junkies is like providing RU486 to every female of breeding age. No responsibility or ramification for ones action.
Honestly all this feel good shit is always supported with your tax dollars. Based on the white guilt the Denver populace has. When you ask them how many they're opening their door for, you're called every name in the book, then some.
DavieD55
12-06-2018, 21:00
Here's how this agenda is working out in SF.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld6qYJe4pRs
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