Green Mountain Guns robbed again.

[SideShow Bob]

This time thieves used a concrete truck to run through the type 4 barriers and Ballards to smash the front gate.
No links yet to the news website yet.

[GeorgeandSugar]

Wow! Makes you wonder if this a local crowd doing the stealing or a nation-wife group?


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[SideShow Bob]

Wow! a nation-wife group?


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They must be Slingers.........

[BushMasterBoy]

They got the garbage truck idea from a Bruce Willis movie. I'm guessing they trashed the place.

[Ramsker]

Based on the latest on tv, it looks like they just hooked up cables to the doors and yanked them off the storefront instead of ramming the doors. Maybe the plan was to take the biggest truck they could steal and ram it . . . but then decided pulling the doors off with cabels would work fine.

[hurley842002]

https://kdvr.com/2018/12/04/cement-truck-used-in-smash-and-grab-at-lakewood-gun-shop/

For those still waiting for a link.

[.455_Hunter]

I wonder if my gun on consignment was stolen?

I guess I will need to follow-up with them in a day or two.

This is area where our new liberal masters can act- all retail guns stored in safes at night.

[SideShow Bob]

Based on the latest on tv, it looks like they just hooked up cables to the doors and yanked them off the storefront instead of ramming the doors. Maybe the plan was to take the biggest truck they could steal and ram it . . . but then decided pulling the doors off with cabels would work fine.

Yep ,
Denver 7’s narration of what happened wasn’t matching what they were showing in the video when they showed a clear shot of the front of the store, instead of of a closeup of the eye candy.

[Squeeze]

I wonder if my gun on consignment was stolen?

I guess I will need to follow-up with them in a day or two.

This is area where our new liberal masters can act- all retail guns stored in safes at night.

^^^THIS. Now, before the crowd of shop owners chime in with the "It only takes an angle grinder and 5 minutes to defeat a gun safe"... Yes, you are correct. However, these thieves are looking for a quick grab. They aren't going to want to spend time cutting into a safe and hoping they get the guns they are specifically looking for. Not to mention, I'm guessing Lakewood PD was on-scene pretty quick. Is it a pain in the butt to put the guns away in safes every night? Yep. Is it better than having them all stolen? Yep. The criminals likely cased the store before hitting it. Probably around closing time to see if the guns were put away after hours. Just guessing though.

[Irving]

Maybe they should use cardboard display guns like American Furniture Warehouse.

On a serious note, I don't like this trend one bit.

[bellavite1]

At Silverbullet we put the firearms away every night.
Every single night.

[Squeeze]

At Silverbullet we put the firearms away every night.
Every single night.

Novel concept. For those shops who do, I bet they don't get targeted by the "smash and grab" gang.

Good on you guys for doing it right.

[BushMasterBoy]

"It only takes an angle grinder and 5 minutes to defeat a gun safe"

Some guys put a container of "black powder" in the safe. Sparks and stuff , you know.

[BPTactical]

Concrete evidence.......

[UrbanWolf]

They were a**holes when I visited a couple times, I wonder if they pissed off someone really badly?

[hurley842002]

I wonder if they pissed off someone really badly?

Doubtful anger was the cause...

[Squeeze]

"It only takes an angle grinder and 5 minutes to defeat a gun safe"

Some guys put a container of "black powder" in the safe. Sparks and stuff , you know.

[Muaha]

[SideShow Bob]

I wonder if my gun on consignment was stolen?

Well if it was under a consignment contract, wouldn’t their insurance cover it and at your original asking price ? $$ Payday $$

[DenverGP]

A video surveillance system should have been able to detect activity in time to alert someone before the crooks were able to gain access.... I know my own house has several cameras in front and back, and the motion detection sends me text message alerts. I do get a false alarms when it picks up cars driving by in the middle of the night, but I'd expect a gun shop could take it a step further and have a monitoring service that could call police for actual suspicious activity.

[buffalobo]

If you make yourself a target...

[colorider]

All guns should be in a safe or vault after closing. Especially after all the smash and grabs last year. No excuses.

[Ridge]

They were a**holes when I visited a couple times, I wonder if they pissed off someone really badly?

Unlikely. Remember last summer, it seemed like this was happening once a week?

[Zundfolge]

Wow! Makes you wonder if this a local crowd doing the stealing or a nation-wife group?


At this point I almost wonder if they aren't financed by Bloomberg.

[Irving]

At this point I almost wonder if they aren't financed by Bloomberg.

I've heard there are people who believe that the Clinton administration allowed the reintroduction of wolves into Yellowstone as a long game play on gun control.

[BushMasterBoy]

No, really we had a store where we kept blackpowder in the safe. In other news, there was a concrete truck in Pueblo...

https://koaa.com/news/covering-colorado/2018/12/04/concrete-truck-goes-off-road-tips-over-in-pueblo/

[.455_Hunter]

Bass Pro keeps (or kept) their BP in a small Type II rolling magazine that most definitely would count as a safe.

[KS63]

^^^THIS. Now, before the crowd of shop owners chime in with the "It only takes an angle grinder and 5 minutes to defeat a gun safe"... Yes, you are correct. However, these thieves are looking for a quick grab. They aren't going to want to spend time cutting into a safe and hoping they get the guns they are specifically looking for. Not to mention, I'm guessing Lakewood PD was on-scene pretty quick. Is it a pain in the butt to put the guns away in safes every night? Yep. Is it better than having them all stolen? Yep. The criminals likely cased the store before hitting it. Probably around closing time to see if the guns were put away after hours. Just guessing though.

If I remember correctly, a member here said the guns would get scratched being transferred to and from the safe everyday by employees and that would hurt the bottom line. Plus, safes cost lots of money.....

[Irving]

Seems like it'd be pretty easy to just build slightly more robust display cases for pistols and steel grates can be locked on every night. Same for guns stored on walls. It'd be the same as putting on hurricane panels every night. Take up less space and cost a lot less than a bunch of safes.

[eddiememphis]

Poor guy. His insurance is going to skyrocket. He will likely get dropped by his current carrier and have to go to what's called a sub-standard carrier. High premiums and poor service. That will be another way "THEY" will strangle the industry. Underwriting will deem covering retailers too risky and not offer coverage.

[Irving]

Surplus lines carrier is what you're thinking of. Not necessarily sub-standard, but more equipped to handle higher risk. Assuming they are insurable at all.

[eddiememphis]

Seems like it'd be pretty easy to just build slightly more robust display cases for pistols and steel grates can be locked on every night. Same for guns stored on walls. It'd be the same as putting on hurricane panels every night. Take up less space and cost a lot less than a bunch of safes.

It is easy but not cheap. I looked into it when working for a metal fabrication shop. I can build you a sweet case that bolts to the floor in several places and has "hurricane" glass but it's gonna cost several thousand dollars just for the glass. Most gun shops can't afford them. Jewelry stores can but they rarely get hit. They have awesome security systems and usually lock everything up in safe rooms at night.

[eddiememphis]

Surplus lines carrier is what you're thinking of. Not necessarily sub-standard, but more equipped to handle higher risk. Assuming they are insurable at all.

You're correct. I've been out of the biz for a decade.

[Irving]

It is easy but not cheap. I looked into it when working for a metal fabrication shop. I can build you a sweet case that bolts to the floor in several places and has "hurricane" glass but it's gonna cost several thousand dollars just for the glass. Most gun shops can't afford them. Jewelry stores can but they rarely get hit. They have awesome security systems and usually lock everything up in safe rooms at night.

I'm thinking regular glass, then whatever steel to cover it at night. Doesn't need to be pretty for after store hours.


You're correct. I've been out of the biz for a decade.

I had to go ask my wife because I couldn't remember either.

[eddiememphis]

I'm thinking regular glass, then whatever steel to cover it at night. Doesn't need to be pretty for after store hours.



I had to go ask my wife because I couldn't remember either.

That's asking a lot from employees. My design is stand alone, no extra work needed. A framing hammer needs multiple blows to get through the glass, a sledge a few less. Hopefully enough time the police can respond before the jerks leave.

Another problem is most shops are in leased spaces limiting the security measures the tenant can take.

[ben4372]

It is easy but not cheap. I looked into it when working for a metal fabrication shop. I can build you a sweet case that bolts to the floor in several places and has "hurricane" glass but it's gonna cost several thousand dollars just for the glass. Most gun shops can't afford them. Jewelry stores can but they rarely get hit. They have awesome security systems and usually lock everything up in safe rooms at night.

There was a gun store up north, maybe 15 years ago. 88th and Washington maybe. All of the guns were in locking cabinets. Might of had roll up doors? They did have a few junk guns in a 55 gallon drum. They were way ahead of the curve.

[Gman]

They must be Slingers.........

That's the second funniest thing I've read all day. [Coffee]

[Gman]

Concrete evidence.......

Or evidence of concrete.

[brutal]

Seems like it'd be pretty easy to just build slightly more robust display cases for pistols and steel grates can be locked on every night. Same for guns stored on walls. It'd be the same as putting on hurricane panels every night. Take up less space and cost a lot less than a bunch of safes.

It'd be the same just with longer chains/cable from the concrete truck.

[Squeeze]

If I remember correctly, a member here said the guns would get scratched being transferred to and from the safe everyday by employees and that would hurt the bottom line. Plus, safes cost lots of money.....

If you can afford to open a shop, you should be able to accommodate at least 1 quality safe. I bet good money that A LOT of members here have some very high quality safes in their houses. Also, if you take care and caution when moving guns in/out of a safe that is properly lined, you won't be beating up the guns. Insurance companies may give you a break on your premium if you store them in a safe as well, thus saving you money.

[BushMasterBoy]

You just hire a homeless vet and give him a AR. Especially if he has a valid military ID card. Blah, blah, blah...

[CS1983]

Something I wanted when we were in business was these smoke emitters that pretty much fill the building in seconds after the grace period on the alarm is tripped. (existing system, there's youtube videos, but I don't remember what it was anymore).

It would only work once, of course, as next time they would come back with gas masks or not be afraid of it, but I tend to think the first time someone broke in and set that off they would panic and flee not knowing WTF it is. It's designed also for robbery situations, but I see it as less valuable there. At any rate, make them panic, and make the scene even more visible is what I desired. Couldn't afford that crapola though. It also makes them less comfortable because they can only see about 12" around, no guarantee LEO isn't already there from the "bad guy" perspective.

...and what would the responding LEO perspective be of coming up on/going into a building in which they cannot see or at least PID targets?

[colorider]

Wait outside for the dickbags to exit the smoke filled building. Cuff and stuff. Or shoot back.

[sellersm]

CrossBreed Holsters posted this on FB today:

76740

[00tec]

Something I wanted when we were in business was these smoke emitters that pretty much fill the building in seconds after the grace period on the alarm is tripped. (existing system, there's youtube videos, but I don't remember what it was anymore).

It would only work once, of course, as next time they would come back with gas masks or not be afraid of it, but I tend to think the first time someone broke in and set that off they would panic and flee not knowing WTF it is. It's designed also for robbery situations, but I see it as less valuable there. At any rate, make them panic, and make the scene even more visible is what I desired. Couldn't afford that crapola though. It also makes them less comfortable because they can only see about 12" around, no guarantee LEO isn't already there from the "bad guy" perspective.
If you're gonna smoke 'em, may as well pepper spray 'em.

https://www.burglarbomb.com/products/

[TFOGGER]

If you're gonna smoke 'em, may as well pepper spray 'em.

https://www.burglarbomb.com/products/

I was thinking the same thing at first, but cleaning that sh!t up is a serious pain...

[Irving]

It'd be the same just with longer chains/cable from the concrete truck.

Are you talking about safes or hurricane panels? Same thing right? It's all about adding enough time to lower the likely success rate of a smash and grab.