December 7th...

[Martinjmpr]

Today is the 77th anniversary of the bombing of Pearl Harbor.

[Marine] <---- (yes I know that's Iwo Jima but I thought it was the best smiley to use.)

Since it's Pearl Harbor day I thought it would be appropriate to post this:

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And finally my favorite:

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[Gman]

"- a date which will live in infamy -"

In hindsight, fewer casualties than 9/11.

Thanks to our predecessors for rising to the call.

[BushMasterBoy]

They had plenty of warning. Two privates could have minimized the losses. Let the debate begin!

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[theGinsue]

The attack on Pearl Harbor was an important lesson for the United States.

Among so many other things learned, probably the most important was to not discount any gathered intelligence until it was investigated and found to be of no value. Sadly, we had intel of the impending attack but it was deemed unreliable before it was actually vetted.

Additionally, while I commend our leaders for not wanting to enter into another war unless it was absolutely necessary, there was enough evidence that we would eventually have to fight. By delaying our involvement we allowed the Axis powers to grow in strength and secure positions that eventually cost many American lives to reclaim.

While the attack on Pearl Harbor set us back in the Pacific, militarily speaking, it served as a motivating catalyst to enter the war with determination. This would prove to be essential, particularly against the Japanese, as they were ruthless and determined to win at any cost.

[mattiooo]

I still want to visit the memorial. I've yet to visit Hawaii. Most of my travel has been to Europe.

On a (much) lesser note, 46 years ago today, for better or worse, my brother was born.

[Doc45]

I still want to visit the memorial. I've yet to visit Hawaii. Most of my travel has been to Europe.

On a (much) lesser note, 46 years ago today, for better or worse, my brother was born.

I’ve been twice-if there’s any way you can make the trip, do it.

[Bailey Guns]

While the attack on Pearl Harbor set us back in the Pacific, militarily speaking, it served as a motivating catalyst to enter the war with determination. This would prove to be essential, particularly against the Japanese, as they were ruthless and determined to win at any cost.

It's kind of ironic that one of the greatest and most victorious military attacks in history ultimately caused one of the most crushing and devastating defeats of a country and it's military in history.

“For a while we’ll have everything our own way, stretching out in every direction like an octopus spreading its tentacles. But it’ll last for a year and a half at the most.” Adm Yamamoto, Sep 1941

[CS1983]

It's kind of ironic that one of the greatest and most victorious military attacks in history ultimately caused one of the most crushing and devastating defeats of a country and it's military in history.

“For a while we’ll have everything our own way, stretching out in every direction like an octopus spreading its tentacles. But it’ll last for a year and a half at the most.” Adm Yamamoto, Sep 1941

We are a nation borne of the defeat of an empire at the hands what, 3% of the total population in the 1770s?

Why on earth would we, established as we were by the 1940's, do anything but crush the ever living shit out of Japan?

[JohnnyDrama]

This is one of the few historical dates along with 10 November 1775 and 30 April 1863 that I always remember.


"- a date which will live in infamy -"

In hindsight, fewer casualties than 9/11.

Thanks to our predecessors for rising to the call.

That fact was not lost on me, as a travel agent, watched flights being canceled as we listened to the news on the radio.

Yes, a big thanks to those to who rose to the call.

[Madeinhb]

I?ve been twice-if there?s any way you can make the trip, do it.

I'd wait until they decide if they will reopen the USS Arizona memorial.


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[BPTactical]

We beat the Japs, Russia beat the Nazi's.


Never forget.

[Bailey Guns]

We are a nation borne of the defeat of an empire at the hands what, 3% of the total population in the 1770s?

Why on earth would we, established as we were by the 1940's, do anything but crush the ever living shit out of Japan?

That's my point. It seems so obvious. So why didn't the Japanese leadership listen to Yamamoto?

[CS1983]

That's my point. It seems so obvious. So why didn't the Japanese leadership listen to Yamamoto?

It's a flaw of the Asian mentality.

[Bailey Guns]

We beat the Japs, Russia beat the Nazi's.


Never forget.

Yeah...Russia beat the Nazis. In Russia. With a lot of help from Hitler himself. Frankly, I think Russia got lucky the German forces were under the micro-management of Hitler. If he had listened to his very capable military commanders things might have turned out differently. Why the fuck would you invade a country that's signed a non-aggression pact with your country? Especially when there were plenty of relatively easier pickings.

[BPTactical]

Many dont realize that about 80% of Germany's military resources were tied up in Russia.
Had the Paperhanger not gone after the Russkies and devoted those resources to holding western Europe it would have been an entirely different ETO.
And yes, if the war in Russia had been led by the generals instead of the paperhanger again, totally different scenario.

The Paperhanger was his own worst enemy.

[Gman]

History has always proven, don't get involved in military conflict in Russia where you may fight during winter. Didn't work very well for Napoleon either.

[Aloha_Shooter]

It's kind of ironic that one of the greatest and most victorious military attacks in history ultimately caused one of the most crushing and devastating defeats of a country and it's military in history.

“For a while we’ll have everything our own way, stretching out in every direction like an octopus spreading its tentacles. But it’ll last for a year and a half at the most.” Adm Yamamoto, Sep 1941


We are a nation borne of the defeat of an empire at the hands what, 3% of the total population in the 1770s?

Why on earth would we, established as we were by the 1940's, do anything but crush the ever living shit out of Japan?


That's my point. It seems so obvious. So why didn't the Japanese leadership listen to Yamamoto?

The Japanese leadership didn't listen to Yamamoto because America was far away and they had beaten their only previous opponents (Mongols, China, Russia, Korea) decisively in previous wars. They felt Japan had a destiny and Yamamoto was just a worrywart.

Yamamoto's predictions were based on the America of the 1930s, which he saw intimately while he was here on a foreign exchange tour. He saw an America that was an industrial powerhouse with still untapped reserves, where common people hunted frequently so gun use was common and proficient. Sadly, I don't think any of those conditions necessarily hold today and if the liberals have their way, the latter will definitely be negated.

[Rucker61]

It's a flaw of the Asian mentality.

The book Flyboys has an interesting back story on the pre-war rise of the pseudo-bushido I found enlightening.