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Shooter45
02-13-2019, 21:20
While I think with the widespread of CWD, that people have eaten an infected animal unknowingly before, we shall see the future of this.


Deadly ?zombie? deer disease could possibly spread to humans, experts warn

A deadly disease that has affected the deer population in an estimated 24 states (https://www.cdc.gov/prions/cwd/occurrence.html) and two Canadian provinces could eventually spread to and infect humans, experts warn.
Speaking at the Minnesota (https://www.foxnews.com/category/us/us-regions/midwest/minnesota) State Capitol last week, experts from the University of Minnesota told lawmakers of the dangers of Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD), or what the U.S. Geological Survey describes (https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/what-chronic-wasting-disease?qt-news_science_products=0#qt-news_science_products) as a ? fatal, neurological illness occurring in North American cervids (members of the deer family), including white-tailed deer, mule deer, elk, and moose.?

Currently, there are no vaccines or treatments available for the disease, (https://www.foxnews.com/category/health/medical-research/rare-diseases) which scientists say spreads directly through animal-to-animal contact but also indirectly through contaminated drinking water or food.
While there have been no reported cases of CWD in people, Michael Osterholm, the director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, told lawmakers that the disease should be treated as a public health issue, claiming human cases of CWD will likely be ?documented in the years ahead.?
?It is probable that human cases of CWD associated with the consumption of contaminated meat will be documented in the years ahead. It is possible that number of human cases will be substantial and will not be isolated events,? he said, in part, according to the Twin Cities Pioneer Press. (https://www.twincities.com/2019/02/07/experts-yes-chronic-wasting-disease-in-deer-is-a-public-health-issue-for-people/)
?If Stephen King could write an infectious disease novel, he would write about prions like this,? he added.
Osterholm likened CWD to mad cow disease, which public health officials and those in the beef industry once did not think could infect people (it has since been confirmed that a cureless variant of mad cow ? Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (vCJD) ? can adversely impact humans). CWD and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease belong to the same family of diseases known as prion diseases, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

CWD was first detected in a captive deer in the late 1960s, the CDC said. Symptoms of the disease include drooling, stumbling, lack of coordination, lack of fear of people, aggression, and listlessness ? which explains the ?zombie? deer disease nickname. The symptoms are a result of a ?malformed prion that kills neurons in the infected animal?s brain,? the University of Minnesota explains. (https://www.vetmed.umn.edu/news/umn-veterinary-scientists-propose-faster-chronic-wasting-disease-diagnostic-test)

Osterholm echoed the CDC when warning the disease could potentially spread to humans in the future.
?Animal studies suggest CWD poses a risk to some types of non-human primates, like monkeys, that eat meat from CWD-infected animals or come in contact with brain or body fluids from infected deer or elk. These studies raise concerns that there may also be a risk to people. Since 1997, the World Health Organization has recommended that it is important to keep the agents of all known prion diseases from entering the human food chain,? the CDC states.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/deadly-zombie-deer-disease-could-possibly-spread-to-humans-experts-warn

Irving
02-13-2019, 21:22
CWD has been around for a long time and there has yet to be a single case of transference to humans.

DFBrews
02-13-2019, 21:32
This article made the rounds on fb and Instagram today and both sides of my friends both the hardcore hippy and the die hard hunting friends all shared it.

What form of media did you come across it on? What platforms have you shared it on?


Are you zombie sharing or did the cdc pay for the article to go to the front page


I have been sending my heads in for testing in unit 19 for over 15 years
CWD first noticed in the 60s in captive and wild in the 80?s

Irving
02-13-2019, 21:40
First noticed in Colorado as well, I believe.

Jamnanc
02-13-2019, 22:09
Rumor has it, caused by an elk ranch at highway 14 and 287.

whitewalrus
02-13-2019, 22:30
I have been sending my heads in for testing in unit 19 for over 15 years


Any of them come back positive?

DFBrews
02-13-2019, 22:42
Any of them come back positive?
Nope 6 elk 4 bulls and 2 cows and 5 mulies all tested fine. The hunting has changed since the fire came through though technique is all different

Delfuego
02-14-2019, 07:26
CWD has been around for a long time and there has yet to be a single case of transference to humans.Or has it....

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/T9jT898xknY/maxresdefault.jpg

Irving
02-14-2019, 09:51
Prime wild game eaters if I've ever seen them.

BushMasterBoy
02-14-2019, 10:35
CWD can turn into CJD. It is called a zoonosis when the animal gives a human a disease. In 1996 I saw hundreds of dead deer carcasses from this disease. It was horrible to see such devastation. Stuff like this won't make the news, it scares off the tourists. This was in the northwest corner of Colorado. Sorry I don't have any photographs of this horrible occurrence.

Irving
02-14-2019, 10:43
CWD is always fatal, but not right away. Hundreds of dead deer wasn't from CWD.

BladesNBarrels
02-14-2019, 11:48
CWD is always fatal, but not right away. Hundreds of dead deer wasn't from CWD.

Hunters?

D_F
02-14-2019, 14:36
CWD can turn into CJD. It is called a zoonosis when the animal gives a human a disease. In 1996 I saw hundreds of dead deer carcasses from this disease. It was horrible to see such devastation. Stuff like this won't make the news, it scares off the tourists. This was in the northwest corner of Colorado. Sorry I don't have any photographs of this horrible occurrence.

I have heard some "hot spots" in the NW region are running up to 24% positive in the buck population. Also some studies indicating the prions are being "expressed" through plant tissue. Crazy disease.

BushMasterBoy
02-14-2019, 15:27
It looked like a battle ground. Dead deer everywhere, just rotting. Not even any raptors were seen. It was CWD. I don't know the vector, which is the method it is spread. Report below says prions can be found in deer saliva. There will not be any serious research done until this affects livestock. Remember a virus mutates every transmission, in other words it uses your DNA to replicate. I find virology fascinating. I would heed the warning seriously.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/Chronic_Wasting_Disease_in_North_America.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_wasting_disease

Irving
02-14-2019, 16:34
Let's not pretend that CDW is being ignored, because it definitely isn't. Prions aren't really a virus, they are protein, which is why it is so difficult to kill. From the way I understand CWD, it is a slow killer, so to see hundreds of deer dead all at the same time would like like having hallways of hospitals filled with dead people all having died from heart disease at the same time.

whitewalrus
02-14-2019, 18:00
Prime wild game eaters if I've ever seen them.


Friend sent this link to me a week ago:
https://www.wideopenspaces.com/hipsters-next-generation-hunters/

Guess they are

Irving
02-14-2019, 18:17
That's kind of a funny article in that it even suggests that a 9% increase in licenses sold is from hipsters. Also the line about selling game meat at a farmers market. Nice to see increased exposure from that side politically though.

Justin
02-14-2019, 20:29
It looked like a battle ground. Dead deer everywhere, just rotting. Not even any raptors were seen. It was CWD. I don't know the vector, which is the method it is spread. Report below says prions can be found in deer saliva. There will not be any serious research done until this affects livestock. Remember a virus mutates every transmission, in other words it uses your DNA to replicate. I find virology fascinating. I would heed the warning seriously.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/Chronic_Wasting_Disease_in_North_America.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_wasting_disease

Not that I'm an expert, but my understanding is that stuff like CWD and Mad Cow don't even rise to the level of complexity of a virus. They're mis-folded proteins that manage to propagate through an animal, eventually killing it.

def90
02-14-2019, 22:52
It looked like a battle ground. Dead deer everywhere, just rotting. Not even any raptors were seen. It was CWD. I don't know the vector, which is the method it is spread. Report below says prions can be found in deer saliva. There will not be any serious research done until this affects livestock. Remember a virus mutates every transmission, in other words it uses your DNA to replicate. I find virology fascinating. I would heed the warning seriously.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/Chronic_Wasting_Disease_in_North_America.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_wasting_disease


That wouldn’t be CWD..

Steve Rinella had a good podcast about CWD.. basically if you dont eat the brains or spinal material the odds of it transferring are slim if it is able to at all.

If you harvest the neck meat they recommend that you remove the meat from the spine/bones, many people take the whole neck and roast it on the bone, dont do that and you should be fine.

Wisconsin had a massive over population of deer and they made an attempt at wiping out the disease by basically opening up the deer season and giving out unlimited tags. If CWD was transferrable it probably would have happened already with the number of infected deer out there.

There is also a “theory” out there that CWD has always been around and its just a matter of us recently discovering it and now of course as we increase testing we will also see an increase in positive tests.

Not_A_Llama
02-15-2019, 14:23
Not CWD. That'd be like a bunch of people with Alzheimer's dying all of a sudden. It can happen, just not from the disease (nursing home bus flying off a cliff).

Prions are weird shit. Not viral, nothing to do with DNA. Cooking doesn't help. Think of it sorta like those reusable heatpacks they used to sell, with the metal disc inside. Or supercooled water videos on youtube. Kick it off and it spreads. A single screwed-up version of "stuff" ends up corrupting the rest. Crystals in solution for the hot packs/ice, prions in protein for critters.

Once a protein has been transformed (folded) into a prion form, there's no going back. It's like trying to uncook an egg.

The thing that unsettles me is that Prions are now demonstrated to be persistent in soil and vegetation for YEARS (infectious after 26 months buried, in one study (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2658766/)), long after any animals have been present. You could wipe out every deer and elk today, reintroduce in X years, and it could come back from them grazing in previously-infected areas.

Monkey and transgenic mouse models are mixed on transmission from consumption. I've chatted with some epidemiologist types - I get the feel that most think it's out there in people, but it's infrequent/slow/not particularly disease-causing, or is misdiagnosed as other TSEs and dementias. Keep in mind that 10% of people get alzheimer's, and by age 90, something like 40% of people will have some sort of dementia, and given the lack of cures and lack of concern with the elderly, almost nobody gets additional screening like Amyloid plaque scanning. We'd just never know.

Personally? Don't take the weird deer. I avoid CNS material. I won't feed to kids. I'll feed to dogs and myself, as I'm older and if it does cause disease in people, it probably wouldn't take hold of me before my time is up anyway (the Fukushima retiree approach (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-13598607))

Justin
02-18-2019, 13:51
Mom had a distantly related cousin who got some kind of a degenerative thing. The docs didn't know what it was, but it slowly killed off his ability to move, then walk, then speak and eventually killed him outright. At the time he was in his 40s.

In retrospect I've often wondered if he didn't have some kind of a prion thing.