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Batteriesnare
03-14-2019, 20:27
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-14/there-were-bodies-all-over-me-least-30-dead-or-wounded-after-gunman-opens-fire-new
Hadn't heard anything else about this. Details still emerging but sounds like video if the event was broadcast live on social media.
GilpinGuy
03-14-2019, 20:46
Another "look at me, look at me!" psycho.
Deranged fuck, some info from a local forum there. Includes the gopro video of the shooting... I'd lead towards most people not watching it. There was one near hero at least that charged him and knocked the rifle down for a few moments, but paid for it and sadly didn't look like many were able to take that moment and get out.
Most maddening thing is after all the shooting and screaming there's still people milling around at the edges of the property not getting away.
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/brenton-tarrant-posts-on-8chan-shoots-up-mosque-killing-30-muslims-in-new-zealand-livestreams-from-gopro.54323/
Great-Kazoo
03-14-2019, 21:54
https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/nation-world/new-zealand-police-multiple-fatalities-in-mosque-shootings/507-9e528bf1-2856-4158-980d-cf1b2576a57a
One of the pictures of the kiwi cops. Not only does the female officer show nice trigger discipline , she has some nice arms .
kidicarus13
03-14-2019, 22:07
https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/nation-world/new-zealand-police-multiple-fatalities-in-mosque-shootings/507-9e528bf1-2856-4158-980d-cf1b2576a57a
One of the pictures of the kiwi cops. Not only does the female officer show nice trigger discipline , she has some nice arms .
There were a lot of innocent people killed so who cares about some female's trigger discipline and arms?!
From the info posted on the first link, there are some pretty glaring inconsistencies in his beliefs; although I suppose that's not surprising.
It's a shame that he's saying that Candace Owens has radicalized him. I've only really heard her on a long podcast, but I'm pretty sure that none of what she says has anything to do with what his manifesto is about, especially through the lens that he looks at the world. This is a sad event.
Wow. That’s all sorts of fucked up. Rip to the victims. I don’t even know why else to say.
Shooter45
03-14-2019, 22:32
Standby to see this used for an example of why the public does not need AR's, and to include more protections against "islamaphobia."
From the info posted on the first link, there are some pretty glaring inconsistencies in his beliefs; although I suppose that's not surprising.
It's a shame that he's saying that Candace Owens has radicalized him. I've only really heard her on a long podcast, but I'm pretty sure that none of what she says has anything to do with what his manifesto is about, especially through the lens that he looks at the world. This is a sad event.
He has some quote as saying he wants the left to be triggered into trying to crack down on everything right wing prompting/provoking a civil war.
Grant H.
03-14-2019, 22:57
From the info posted on the first link, there are some pretty glaring inconsistencies in his beliefs; although I suppose that's not surprising.
It's a shame that he's saying that Candace Owens has radicalized him. I've only really heard her on a long podcast, but I'm pretty sure that none of what she says has anything to do with what his manifesto is about, especially through the lens that he looks at the world. This is a sad event.
It is truly a sad event.
I have my own "tin foil hat" suspicions about this and the early/public linking to Candace Owens...
Standby to see this used for an example of why the public does not need AR's, and to include more protections against "islamaphobia."
It will be. 100% guaranteed.
There will be precisely .29 seconds of "RIP" followed by the rest of the time being "evil AR-15's must be bannified, they too scary"...
Despite how truly sad this situation is, the libs will never let something like this go to waste... Political capitalization will ensue.
He has some quote as saying he wants the left to be triggered into trying to crack down on everything right wing prompting/provoking a civil war.
Ties into my "tin foil suspicions" mentioned earlier.
Great-Kazoo
03-14-2019, 23:59
There were a lot of innocent people killed so who cares about some female's trigger discipline and arms?!
I do , it was an observation. When you consider the hoops kiwi's have to jump through for a gun. Once again laws did nothing to stop someone bent upon mass murder.
Psycho left a 94 page manifest. 94 pages. Clearly nuts.
Psycho left a 94 page manifest. 94 pages. Clearly nuts.
Yeah, that is where he details his grevences in which many are conflicting. His manifesto states that he believes his actions will ignite a civil war in the US over the 2nd Amendment leading to the “Balkanization” of the country and preserving white culture. Hes also seems to be upset at the US over their siding with muslims and bombing of whites in Kosovo.
Yeah, that is where he details his grevences in which many are conflicting. His manifesto states that he believes his actions will ignite a civil war in the US over the 2nd Amendment leading to the “Balkanization” of the country and preserving white culture. Hes also seems to be upset at the US over their siding with muslims and bombing of whites in Kosovo.
Great, so not only do we need to watch what happens in the US, now we’ve got to worry about what physcopaths do in Foreign countries. Fuck!
in his manifesto he also stated that he could have used any means of attack that would have created as many deaths, a truck bomb, a plane.. going on to list many other avenues of attack including a ball peen hammer but he chose a firearm because he knew it would cause the left in the US to demand gun control and push the country in to civil war.
manifesto:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5770516-The-Great-Replacement-New-Zealand-Shooter.html
”Finally, to create conflict between the two ideologies within the United States on the ownership of firearms (http://i.viglink.com/?key=2c76014af88c4b2eb8c349670da4ee6c&insertId=04f8e3c331dd9622&type=CD&exp=-100%3ACILITE%3A45&libId=jta3kkkj0100b0av000TAnot9v8e5&loc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ar15.com%2Fforums%2FGeneral% 2FBREAKING-Terrorist-attack-in-Christchurch-NZ-49-dead-OP-UPDATED%2F5-2202558%2F%3Fpage%3D2&v=1&iid=04f8e3c331dd9622&opt=true&out=http%3A%2F%2Fpalmettostatearmory.com%2Ffirearm s.html%3Futm_source%3Dviglink%26utm_medium%3Dcpc%2 6utm_campaign%3Dinsert%26utm_term%3Dfirearms&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ar15.com%2Fforums%2FGeneral% 2FBREAKING-Terrorist-attack-in-Christchurch-NZ-49-dead-OP-UPDATED%2F5-2202558%2F%3Fpage%3D1&title=BREAKING%3ATerrorist%20attack%20in%20Christc hurch%2C%20NZ%2C%2049%20dead%20OP%20UPDATED%20-%20Page%202%20-%20AR15.COM&txt=%3Cspan%3Efirearms%3C%2Fspan%3E) in order to further the social, cultural, political and racial divide within the United states.This conflict over the 2nd amendment and the attempted removal of firearms (http://i.viglink.com/?key=2c76014af88c4b2eb8c349670da4ee6c&insertId=04f8e3c331dd9622&type=CD&exp=-100%3ACILITE%3A45&libId=jta3kkkj0100b0av000TAnot9v8e5&loc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ar15.com%2Fforums%2FGeneral% 2FBREAKING-Terrorist-attack-in-Christchurch-NZ-49-dead-OP-UPDATED%2F5-2202558%2F%3Fpage%3D2&v=1&iid=04f8e3c331dd9622&opt=true&out=http%3A%2F%2Fpalmettostatearmory.com%2Ffirearm s.html%3Futm_source%3Dviglink%26utm_medium%3Dcpc%2 6utm_campaign%3Dinsert%26utm_term%3Dfirearms&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ar15.com%2Fforums%2FGeneral% 2FBREAKING-Terrorist-attack-in-Christchurch-NZ-49-dead-OP-UPDATED%2F5-2202558%2F%3Fpage%3D1&title=BREAKING%3ATerrorist%20attack%20in%20Christc hurch%2C%20NZ%2C%2049%20dead%20OP%20UPDATED%20-%20Page%202%20-%20AR15.COM&txt=%3Cspan%3Efirearms%3C%2Fspan%3E) rights will ultimately result in a civil war that will eventually balkanize the US along political, cultural and, most importantly, racial lines.
This balkanization of the US will not only result in the racial separation of the people within the United States ensuring the future of the White race on the North American continent, but also ensuring the death of the “melting pot” pipe dream.”
”Why did you choose to use firearms (http://i.viglink.com/?key=2c76014af88c4b2eb8c349670da4ee6c&insertId=04f8e3c331dd9622&type=CD&exp=-100%3ACILITE%3A45&libId=jta3kkkj0100b0av000TAnot9v8e5&loc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ar15.com%2Fforums%2FGeneral% 2FBREAKING-Terrorist-attack-in-Christchurch-NZ-49-dead-OP-UPDATED%2F5-2202558%2F%3Fpage%3D2&v=1&iid=04f8e3c331dd9622&opt=true&out=http%3A%2F%2Fpalmettostatearmory.com%2Ffirearm s.html%3Futm_source%3Dviglink%26utm_medium%3Dcpc%2 6utm_campaign%3Dinsert%26utm_term%3Dfirearms&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ar15.com%2Fforums%2FGeneral% 2FBREAKING-Terrorist-attack-in-Christchurch-NZ-49-dead-OP-UPDATED%2F5-2202558%2F%3Fpage%3D1&title=BREAKING%3ATerrorist%20attack%20in%20Christc hurch%2C%20NZ%2C%2049%20dead%20OP%20UPDATED%20-%20Page%202%20-%20AR15.COM&txt=%3Cspan%3Efirearms%3C%2Fspan%3E)?
I could have chosen any weapons or means.A TATP filled rental van. Household flour, a method of dispersion and an ignition source.A ballpeen hammer and a wooden shield.Gas,fire,vehicular attacks,plane attacks, any means were available. I had the will and I had the resources.
I chose firearms (http://i.viglink.com/?key=2c76014af88c4b2eb8c349670da4ee6c&insertId=04f8e3c331dd9622&type=CD&exp=-100%3ACILITE%3A45&libId=jta3kkkj0100b0av000TAnot9v8e5&loc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ar15.com%2Fforums%2FGeneral% 2FBREAKING-Terrorist-attack-in-Christchurch-NZ-49-dead-OP-UPDATED%2F5-2202558%2F%3Fpage%3D2&v=1&iid=04f8e3c331dd9622&opt=true&out=http%3A%2F%2Fpalmettostatearmory.com%2Ffirearm s.html%3Futm_source%3Dviglink%26utm_medium%3Dcpc%2 6utm_campaign%3Dinsert%26utm_term%3Dfirearms&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ar15.com%2Fforums%2FGeneral% 2FBREAKING-Terrorist-attack-in-Christchurch-NZ-49-dead-OP-UPDATED%2F5-2202558%2F%3Fpage%3D1&title=BREAKING%3ATerrorist%20attack%20in%20Christc hurch%2C%20NZ%2C%2049%20dead%20OP%20UPDATED%20-%20Page%202%20-%20AR15.COM&txt=%3Cspan%3Efirearms%3C%2Fspan%3E) for the affect it would have on social discourse, the extra media coverage they would provide and the affect it could have on the politics of United states and thereby the political situation of the world.
The US is torn into many factions by its second amendment, along state, social, cultural and, most importantly, racial lines.
With enough pressure the left wing within the United states will seek to abolish the second amendment, and the right wing within the US will see this as an attack on their very freedom and liberty.
This attempted abolishment of rights by the left will result in a dramatic polarization of the people in the United States and eventually a fracturing of the US along cultural and racial lines.”
Great-Kazoo
03-15-2019, 08:21
Great, so not only do we need to watch what happens in the US, now we’ve got to worry about what physcopaths do in Foreign countries. Fuck!
Psycho's and true believers have been doing this for centuries around the world. IMO it's not our problem (directly) or will terrorist / ideology attacks ever stop.
While here in the U.S. The gun grabbers are more interested in eradicating the gun, instead of looking at what causes people to go off the rails.
At the same time Ignoring the Who, What, When , Where and Why this happens.
Parkland and the education system, is a microcosm of leftist turning an eye to trouble, waiting for something to happen.
Then DEMAND Action. Hand wringing, media colluding to add one more layer or restriction on a Constitutional Right.
Disgusting.
Equally disgusting (and yes I say equally because it's giving the nutter what he wants to encourage copycats) is American/global media doing everything they can to link this to their political enemies in the US. Everything from gun control to Trump and white supremacy. "White supremacy" meaning peopled who didn't vote for Clinton, not actual white supremacists.
manifesto:
[snip]
I chose firearms (http://i.viglink.com/?key=2c76014af88c4b2eb8c349670da4ee6c&insertId=04f8e3c331dd9622&type=CD&exp=-100%3ACILITE%3A45&libId=jta3kkkj0100b0av000TAnot9v8e5&loc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ar15.com%2Fforums%2FGeneral% 2FBREAKING-Terrorist-attack-in-Christchurch-NZ-49-dead-OP-UPDATED%2F5-2202558%2F%3Fpage%3D2&v=1&iid=04f8e3c331dd9622&opt=true&out=http%3A%2F%2Fpalmettostatearmory.com%2Ffirearm s.html%3Futm_source%3Dviglink%26utm_medium%3Dcpc%2 6utm_campaign%3Dinsert%26utm_term%3Dfirearms&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ar15.com%2Fforums%2FGeneral% 2FBREAKING-Terrorist-attack-in-Christchurch-NZ-49-dead-OP-UPDATED%2F5-2202558%2F%3Fpage%3D1&title=BREAKING%3ATerrorist%20attack%20in%20Christc hurch%2C%20NZ%2C%2049%20dead%20OP%20UPDATED%20-%20Page%202%20-%20AR15.COM&txt=%3Cspan%3Efirearms%3C%2Fspan%3E) for the affect it would have on social discourse, the extra media coverage they would provide and the affect it could have on the politics of United states and thereby the political situation of the world.
[snip]
And here we have (again) confirmation that the media's obsession with disarming the American people messages that the best way to gain notoriety and stay in the news is to use a black rifle.
Martinjmpr
03-15-2019, 09:31
If anything it seems like this attack would undermine the arguments for gun control in the US. After all, NZ has much stricter gun laws than the US, and he was still able to do this. So it seems all this attack (and the one in Norway) demonstrates is that if someone is determined to attack innocents with a gun they're going to find a way to do it, laws be damned.
And yes, I understand that's not the way the media or the gun control advocates will spin it but that is the way that a lot of people "in the middle" (i.e. not committed strongly to either side of the gun debate) are likely to see it.
If anything it seems like this attack would undermine the arguments for gun control in the US. After all, NZ has much stricter gun laws than the US, and he was still able to do this. So it seems all this attack (and the one in Norway) demonstrates is that if someone is determined to attack innocents with a gun they're going to find a way to do it, laws be damned.
And yes, I understand that's not the way the media or the gun control advocates will spin it but that is the way that a lot of people "in the middle" (i.e. not committed strongly to either side of the gun debate) are likely to see it.
This is already saying that NZ has relaxed laws.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/15/asia/new-zealand-gun-control-intl/index.html
BPTactical
03-15-2019, 11:12
Aussie Senators response:
https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/politics/politician-lashes-out-at-muslims-after-christchurch-shootings-they-are-the-perpetrators/news-story/8e3f11fe73821dc3e65d75432ac76f2e
Hammer, meet nail.
Aloha_Shooter
03-15-2019, 11:24
This is already saying that NZ has relaxed laws.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/15/asia/new-zealand-gun-control-intl/index.html
New Zealand only has relaxed laws in comparison to the totalitarian crackdown CNN would like. They are right in that NZ doesn't require registration of 96% of civilian firearms. What they fail to mention is that those 96% are single shot hunting rifles. NZ has very stringent requirements on anything semi-automatic -- at least, they claimed to when I was there in 2016 -- and they're not keen on civilian ownership of handguns. One thing NZ has that I'd like to see copied in the US is that suppressors are viewed as safety/hygiene items (preserve your hearing and that of others in the outdoors) so are available over the counter without permit or registration (or so I understand).
BPTactical
03-15-2019, 12:00
This was a horrific atrocity, just as any school/church/synagogue etc incident stateside is.
An observation-
When your people in your "ideology" excel in running amok on a worldwide basis doing terrorist shit, don't be surprised when terrorist shit comes back to bite you in the ass.
UrbanWolf
03-15-2019, 16:00
These creatures just gets crazier every time.
in his manifesto he also stated that he could have used any means of attack that would have created as many deaths, a truck bomb, a plane.. going on to list many other avenues of attack including a ball peen hammer but he chose a firearm because he knew it would cause the left in the US to demand gun control and push the country in to civil war.
manifesto:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5770516-The-Great-Replacement-New-Zealand-Shooter.html
?Finally, to create conflict between the two ideologies within the United States on the ownership of firearms (http://i.viglink.com/?key=2c76014af88c4b2eb8c349670da4ee6c&insertId=04f8e3c331dd9622&type=CD&exp=-100%3ACILITE%3A45&libId=jta3kkkj0100b0av000TAnot9v8e5&loc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ar15.com%2Fforums%2FGeneral% 2FBREAKING-Terrorist-attack-in-Christchurch-NZ-49-dead-OP-UPDATED%2F5-2202558%2F%3Fpage%3D2&v=1&iid=04f8e3c331dd9622&opt=true&out=http%3A%2F%2Fpalmettostatearmory.com%2Ffirearm s.html%3Futm_source%3Dviglink%26utm_medium%3Dcpc%2 6utm_campaign%3Dinsert%26utm_term%3Dfirearms&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ar15.com%2Fforums%2FGeneral% 2FBREAKING-Terrorist-attack-in-Christchurch-NZ-49-dead-OP-UPDATED%2F5-2202558%2F%3Fpage%3D1&title=BREAKING%3ATerrorist%20attack%20in%20Christc hurch%2C%20NZ%2C%2049%20dead%20OP%20UPDATED%20-%20Page%202%20-%20AR15.COM&txt=%3Cspan%3Efirearms%3C%2Fspan%3E) in order to further the social, cultural, political and racial divide within the United states.This conflict over the 2nd amendment and the attempted removal of firearms (http://i.viglink.com/?key=2c76014af88c4b2eb8c349670da4ee6c&insertId=04f8e3c331dd9622&type=CD&exp=-100%3ACILITE%3A45&libId=jta3kkkj0100b0av000TAnot9v8e5&loc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ar15.com%2Fforums%2FGeneral% 2FBREAKING-Terrorist-attack-in-Christchurch-NZ-49-dead-OP-UPDATED%2F5-2202558%2F%3Fpage%3D2&v=1&iid=04f8e3c331dd9622&opt=true&out=http%3A%2F%2Fpalmettostatearmory.com%2Ffirearm s.html%3Futm_source%3Dviglink%26utm_medium%3Dcpc%2 6utm_campaign%3Dinsert%26utm_term%3Dfirearms&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ar15.com%2Fforums%2FGeneral% 2FBREAKING-Terrorist-attack-in-Christchurch-NZ-49-dead-OP-UPDATED%2F5-2202558%2F%3Fpage%3D1&title=BREAKING%3ATerrorist%20attack%20in%20Christc hurch%2C%20NZ%2C%2049%20dead%20OP%20UPDATED%20-%20Page%202%20-%20AR15.COM&txt=%3Cspan%3Efirearms%3C%2Fspan%3E) rights will ultimately result in a civil war that will eventually balkanize the US along political, cultural and, most importantly, racial lines.
This balkanization of the US will not only result in the racial separation of the people within the United States ensuring the future of the White race on the North American continent, but also ensuring the death of the ?melting pot? pipe dream.?
?Why did you choose to use firearms (http://i.viglink.com/?key=2c76014af88c4b2eb8c349670da4ee6c&insertId=04f8e3c331dd9622&type=CD&exp=-100%3ACILITE%3A45&libId=jta3kkkj0100b0av000TAnot9v8e5&loc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ar15.com%2Fforums%2FGeneral% 2FBREAKING-Terrorist-attack-in-Christchurch-NZ-49-dead-OP-UPDATED%2F5-2202558%2F%3Fpage%3D2&v=1&iid=04f8e3c331dd9622&opt=true&out=http%3A%2F%2Fpalmettostatearmory.com%2Ffirearm s.html%3Futm_source%3Dviglink%26utm_medium%3Dcpc%2 6utm_campaign%3Dinsert%26utm_term%3Dfirearms&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ar15.com%2Fforums%2FGeneral% 2FBREAKING-Terrorist-attack-in-Christchurch-NZ-49-dead-OP-UPDATED%2F5-2202558%2F%3Fpage%3D1&title=BREAKING%3ATerrorist%20attack%20in%20Christc hurch%2C%20NZ%2C%2049%20dead%20OP%20UPDATED%20-%20Page%202%20-%20AR15.COM&txt=%3Cspan%3Efirearms%3C%2Fspan%3E)?
I could have chosen any weapons or means.A TATP filled rental van. Household flour, a method of dispersion and an ignition source.A ballpeen hammer and a wooden shield.Gas,fire,vehicular attacks,plane attacks, any means were available. I had the will and I had the resources.
I chose firearms (http://i.viglink.com/?key=2c76014af88c4b2eb8c349670da4ee6c&insertId=04f8e3c331dd9622&type=CD&exp=-100%3ACILITE%3A45&libId=jta3kkkj0100b0av000TAnot9v8e5&loc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ar15.com%2Fforums%2FGeneral% 2FBREAKING-Terrorist-attack-in-Christchurch-NZ-49-dead-OP-UPDATED%2F5-2202558%2F%3Fpage%3D2&v=1&iid=04f8e3c331dd9622&opt=true&out=http%3A%2F%2Fpalmettostatearmory.com%2Ffirearm s.html%3Futm_source%3Dviglink%26utm_medium%3Dcpc%2 6utm_campaign%3Dinsert%26utm_term%3Dfirearms&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ar15.com%2Fforums%2FGeneral% 2FBREAKING-Terrorist-attack-in-Christchurch-NZ-49-dead-OP-UPDATED%2F5-2202558%2F%3Fpage%3D1&title=BREAKING%3ATerrorist%20attack%20in%20Christc hurch%2C%20NZ%2C%2049%20dead%20OP%20UPDATED%20-%20Page%202%20-%20AR15.COM&txt=%3Cspan%3Efirearms%3C%2Fspan%3E) for the affect it would have on social discourse, the extra media coverage they would provide and the affect it could have on the politics of United states and thereby the political situation of the world.
The US is torn into many factions by its second amendment, along state, social, cultural and, most importantly, racial lines.
With enough pressure the left wing within the United states will seek to abolish the second amendment, and the right wing within the US will see this as an attack on their very freedom and liberty.
This attempted abolishment of rights by the left will result in a dramatic polarization of the people in the United States and eventually a fracturing of the US along cultural and racial lines.?
When someone on a suicide mission is willing to sacrifice their life in the killing of others, no amount of laws will stop them.
An observation-
When your people in your "ideology" excel in running amok on a worldwide basis doing terrorist shit, don't be surprised when terrorist shit comes back to bite you in the ass.
This argument has been used by many to categorize 9/11 as a justifiable response to American foreign policy, and that's just as shitty as this is. These 49 people are not responsible for terrorist acts, nor should they have answer for crimes of others just because they may share a religion.
Great-Kazoo
03-15-2019, 17:49
This argument has been used by many to categorize 9/11 as a justifiable response to American foreign policy, and that's just as shitty as this is. These 49 people are not responsible for terrorist acts, nor should they have answer for crimes of others just because they may share a religion.
While i agree with you. Unfortunately the anti-gun movement sees all gun owners as responsible for every shooting. I, you , we, had Zero to do with any shooting, one on one, or mass, ever. YET we as gun owners pay the price for the deeds of the few.
I don't know if anyone else heard this, but I heard on the radio (850 KOA), and maybe saw on foxnews.com that the "authorities" were trying to erase this video from the internet, and were interested in whom was seeking out the video "for like mindedness." (if that is a word.) That scares me more than anything.
-John
Great-Kazoo
03-15-2019, 17:55
I don't know if anyone else heard this, but I heard on the radio (850 KOA), and maybe saw on foxnews.com that the "authorities" were trying to erase this video from the internet, and were interested in whom was seeking out the video "for like mindedness." (if that is a word.) That scares me more than anything.
-John
They using precogs ?
While i agree with you. Unfortunately the anti-gun movement sees all gun owners as responsible for every shooting. I, you , we, had Zero to do with any shooting, one on one, or mass, ever. YET we as gun owners pay the price for the deeds of the few.
I don't disagree, and it sucks, just as it sucks for every other group that gets shit on for the actions of a few. Doesn't help us to do it to others.
They using precogs ?
Apparently. It's either liberal media bias, or more scary, true.
-John
Great-Kazoo
03-15-2019, 18:11
Apparently. It's either liberal media bias, or more scary, true.
-John
I'd say D: all the above
Shooter45
03-15-2019, 18:31
If America and the World is so outraged about the New Zealand attack, where's the outrage for all the constant attacks on Christians from muslims?
40 Christians killed in attacks in Nigeria
http://www.bpnews.net/52500/40-christians-killed-in-attacks-in-nigeria?fbclid=IwAR3HyCakqcRqEvd5qrNR23uKLoXjjuexT _TBVrUwggH9ZmJ9gFb7KhSw5n0
If America and the World is so outraged about the New Zealand attack, where's the outrage for all the constant attacks on Christians from muslims?
40 Christians killed in attacks in Nigeria
http://www.bpnews.net/52500/40-christians-killed-in-attacks-in-nigeria?fbclid=IwAR3HyCakqcRqEvd5qrNR23uKLoXjjuexT _TBVrUwggH9ZmJ9gFb7KhSw5n0
I'd imagine it'd be much the same reason we ignore or say that's a shame to any number of horrific goings on in Africa or parts of Asia from the Rwandan genocide, Somalia after we faced substantial resistance, human rights abuses in the former Burma, and god knows how many other examples. If it makes you feel better the world seemed fairly outraged at the massacre in the church in Texas, and at the Vegas shooting as well.
Great-Kazoo
03-15-2019, 18:50
the Vegas shooting as well.
Speaking of the vegas shooting. What ever happened with that investigation. Besides the feds telling us they were at a dead end with leads? IMO that is one of the most suspicious "red flag" shootings. Hell even the "much lauded" security guard who made the rounds on talk tv, but didn't have time for a FBI interview has also disappeared.
At least no one is arguing the politics of this shooting or being racist to further divide the country just like he wanted!
Right guys?!
Right?
Nope. I think we are all in agreement that mass murders happen.
I haven't heard. Did they get the guy?
-John
Nope. I think we are all in agreement that mass murders happen.
I haven't heard. Did they get the guy?
-John
I kept meaning to ask this, and I honestly don't know. Is he dead?
Last I heard he is dead.
-John
hollohas
03-15-2019, 19:25
I don't know if anyone else heard this, but I heard on the radio (850 KOA), and maybe saw on foxnews.com that the "authorities" were trying to erase this video from the internet, and were interested in whom was seeking out the video "for like mindedness." (if that is a word.) That scares me more than anything.
-JohnThey've been pushing hard to remove the manifesto too. Every link I try ends up being dead by the time I see it.
The guy is trolling the world. He claims he's a white supremacists, but then says he was inspired by a black conservative woman? He says he's a facist, but then later he's an environmentalist. He mentions Trump a single time in 73 pages and the media runs "Trump supporter" in all the headlines. He also said he was inspired by video games. And when he was brought into court he's flashing the upside-down 'ok' sign with his fingers which somehow the media thinks is some sort of white supremacists hand signal. But anyone who's not a dumbass knows it's just a kids game to punch each other. He's literally hitting on every single media trigger for these mass murders.
hollohas
03-15-2019, 19:28
He's alive...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190316/2e95a63725ebd17efdd04e1a874a366b.jpg
I'd go read his statement myself, if the government/media, hasn't warned me against it.
Thanks, hollohas, and I will probably go read it anyway. Fuck those that don't want me to read it.
-John
I believe that 4Chan is responsible for tricking the world (media) into thinking that the "OK" sign was a white supremacist thing.
I just see more holes ;)
-John
TEAMRICO
03-15-2019, 19:37
Damn I looked! A punch for me!
hollohas
03-15-2019, 19:48
I believe that 4Chan is responsible for tricking the world (media) into thinking that the "OK" sign was a white supremacist thing.I think you're right Irv
Damn I looked! A punch for me!Exactly! And this guy knows the so-called racist symbol is BS. I was only partially convinced he's some sort of sick troll before, but the hand gesture in court convinced me. He's a psychopath troll.
I think you're right Irv Exactly! And this guy knows the so-called racist symbol is BS. I was only partially convinced he's some sort of sick troll before, but the hand gesture in court convinced me. He's a psychopath troll.
He even threw in the Navy Seal copypasta.
He's alive...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190316/2e95a63725ebd17efdd04e1a874a366b.jpg
Looks like he came from the shallow end of the gene pool......what's he doing with his hand in the left photo?
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=235319
2019-03-15 10:52 by Karl Denninger
in Editorial , 310 references
Terrorism and Censorship
The insanity is on full display this morning.
Last night I read the shooter's "manifesto" on Scribd, all ~80 pages of it. This morning it has been scrubbed.
Book-burning is alive and well among so-called "progressives."
I can make a fairly-clean argument for yanking the so-called "live stream" -- but what is everyone afraid of when it comes to written words? Is someone (or lots of someones) afraid that perhaps there's some truth embedded in what will be viewed as an expression of insanity?
That's something to think about because there was truth embedded in that document. Among the truths was that Anglo-Saxon culture and people are being slowly exterminated by their own hand; they simply are not reproducing at a rate sufficient to replace themselves as they get older and die. That's fact, not hyperbole.
In addition there was the fact that the "migrants" that are so "welcomed" by various factions in the United States and elsewhere have many more children than required to replace themselves. Math is an ugly bitch according to many I suppose; it bears no animus, it has no political bent and it cannot be dismissed as "racist." It just is.
Then there's the fact that the entire western world has established a welfare state and in combination with open borders the producers are decreasing every single year while those who consume far more in tax resources than they produce are increasing. This is,once again, mathematical fact. In addition the end game of such a system is also mathematical fact and easily visible. I've pointed it out repeatedly in these pages as well; does that make me a racist?
And finally there is the fact (not mentioned, however) that it's our fault that we set the table and opened the door. "We", being Americans, Europeans and similar. If I build a pool and do not fence it, then a child falls in and drowns, I'm the one who gets tagged for an attractive nuisance even if the child was old enough to know he or she couldn't swim and thus the water was dangerous and even if the child was also old enough to know that they were trespassing and thus committing a crime by being there.
Doesn't matter -- if I put out a buffet and then people take all the food I'm the one who set the table.
The insanity of what we're seeing from the left is on full display. Al Gore just said "climate change will destroy civilization" yet Al Gore supports unlimited migration, open borders and people screwing like rabbits. Since more people means more resource consumption you can't have this both ways; if you really believe that "climate change" can kill us all then you can't support any subgroup of people that breed at materially above replacement rate because the outcome of such a policy is mathematically certain.
The shooter's manifesto also contained two other nuggets of truth nobody wants to discuss, and thus it must be buried. First is that in the US as soon as Texas flips to blue there will never again be a Republican President. Ever. That's the Electoral Math -- and it's indisputable. The fact that those who come here illegally, and they number more than 10 million, produce far more children than native people do will inevitable flip said state is inconvenient, but factual. Now couple that with what we have today coming from the Democrats in terms of professed policy and you have what I've written about many times: There is no reason for a producer today to produce.
I can, with a lot of work, earn a mid-six figure income. I've done it before and have the tax checks and Social Security and Medicare earnings and tax records to prove it. When Obamacare passed I said there was no way I'd do it again so long as anything approaching that remained on the books. Why? Because I produced and many more than my one person got what I made without producing anything. It was taken from me under threat of being imprisoned or shot and I got nothing back out of it. I certainly didn't get a stronger, better society -- I instead got people who won't assimilate into America, who demand Sharia Law in the US and who call me a racist *******. They break every ****ing law in the book and in turn get "sanctuary" from law enforcement while those who are citizens get jailed. I'm told I must cover their housing, medical care and food -- or I go to prison. Among the illegal invaders there are millions who refuse to follow the rules in America; it's why "uninsured motorist" coverage is so damned expensive, never mind who's running most of the heroin and fentanyl into this country. If caught the cops let those people go even if they hit someone and cause injury or worse; if I, on the other hand, do not have car insurance, drive and get caught I go to jail. Colorado prosecuted -- twice -- a baker for refusing to make a gay wedding cake (and one celebrating "transition"); he beat both after much effort by proving that the state came after him because he is religious. Walk into any of the Muslim bakeries in Dearborn MI (you can't walk a couple of blocks there without finding one) to demand a gay wedding cake -- you'll be told to pound sand and get the **** out of their establishment. These are people who believe gays should be stoned to death or thrown from high buildings -- their "religious beliefs" -- and yet none of them have been harassed, closed down or prosecuted.
I'm not supposed to "discriminate", in short, under pain of being called all sorts of nasty names or even arrested yet those who come here illegally or for the handouts not only can discriminate they do on a daily basis and not one single bad thing happens to them. Ever. We even elect them to Congress and let them spew tropes that have been used to spread hatred for decades, even centuries without a single word of rebuke.
Then there's the other nasty truth that was demonstrated last night. The shooter's manifesto proclaimed that part of his intent was to foment a civil war over the 2nd Amendment here in the United States. You can bet the left will seize on this shooting and further his agenda. You can also bet that the citizens of this nation are too ****ing stupid to realize the obvious, although if you find and watch the livestream of him mowing down people in that mosque (yeah, I've seen it) what will be instantly obvious is that had just one of the attendees had a pistol and hid around a corner he could have nailed that son-of-a-bitch right in the head and put a stop to that crap. But.... you see..... there is no 2nd Amendment in New Zealand and everyone inside the mosque was unarmed.
Well, the first mosque anyway. In the second it appears he encountered someone who was armed and chased his ass out of there. Go figure.
The left wants to make you equally able to be shot right here, right now, in America and the people of this nation are too damned stupid to tell them all to pound sand and mean it.
If that's not enough Muslims bombed a Philippine Catholic Church in January, murdering 20 people and injuring 100. Where was the wall-to-wall press coverage? Religious terrorism aimed at Christians isn't less heinous than that aimed at Muslims...... or is the truth that one is ignored by the media and politicians in DC (and possibly even quietly cheered around the office watercooler) while the other is condemned?
I could go on but what's the point?
If we start asking too many questions about whether mass-murder is ever excusable we wind up in some pretty nasty places -- and thus we can't have that discussion and must bury both printed word and live video. I put out as Exhibit "A" of our national insanity Newt Gingrich who just yesterday put forward the statement that our military should remove Maduro, in a sovereign land, and in an operation that will inevitably involve mass-murder with a body count higher than what just happened in Christchurch.
Never mind that William Barr, our AG, just said the threat of political and religious violence is real and we must remain vigilant against it. Does he intend to indict -- or at least rebuke -- Newt? Or is his statement of contempt and vigilance only apply to the times when he likes the targets of said political and religious violence?
Speaking of the vegas shooting. What ever happened with that investigation. Besides the feds telling us they were at a dead end with leads? IMO that is one of the most suspicious "red flag" shootings. Hell even the "much lauded" security guard who made the rounds on talk tv, but didn't have time for a FBI interview has also disappeared.
A buddy sent me some articles shortly after the Vegas shooting, there were several inconsistencies and another 'person of interest' which never appeared in follow-up reports.
I'm not big on conspiracy theories, but maybe there are some things that were not investigated as thoroughly as they should have.
what's he doing with his hand in the left photo?
That's what we're talking about. It's that kids game where you hold your hand like that, below your waist, and if your friend looks at it, you get to punch him. 4Chan started spreading stuff online about that being a white supremacist thing and the media gobbled it up hook, line, and sinker and now people think it is a racist thing and are getting in trouble over it. A lot of adults still play that game. Recently there was a team photo of a SWAT team and one of the guys was doing that hand signal and now he's of course taking heat for it.
4Chan has started other things that are just ridiculous, but there are dumb enough people in the world that they think it is real and start doing it for real. I think another thing they started was "Free Bleeding" where women don't use pad or tampons during their period and just bleed into their pants. It was all supposed to be a big joke until people started doing it.
Huh. I thought he was playing with himself.....
Great-Kazoo
03-15-2019, 20:42
think another thing they started was "Free Bleeding" where women don't use pad or tampons during their period and just bleed into their pants. It was all supposed to be a big joke until people started doing it.
That's not new, or something some web site started, it's been going on for decades. Trust me, there are some women who take "natural" to the extreme.
hollohas
03-15-2019, 20:45
A lot of adults still play that game.
My wife got me the other day and we're in our mid 30's.
Consider me schooled then. Off topic anyway. Interested to see what happens with this guy since he's still alive. Probably a bunch of nothing.
Is he still alive? I'm scared to google it, because of the threats from media (and government.)
-John
Yeah, the photos above are him in custody.
How the hell is he still alive? I would google it, if it wasn't afraid that the government would consider me "like minded."
-John
Consider me schooled then. Off topic anyway. Interested to see what happens with this guy since he's still alive. Probably a bunch of nothing.
Well, there was the guy in Norway or where ever that killed 50 some kids at a summer camp.. he had a manifesto of sorts and was given enough life sentences that he wont ever be out again.. people forgot about him fairly quick.
I believe that 4Chan is responsible for tricking the world (media) into thinking that the "OK" sign was a white supremacist thing.
Like this?
OK, I see this as a hoax but some may see it as Nazis. Look in the mirror.
BPTactical
03-16-2019, 07:52
Aaaaand New Zealands semi autos are gone!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2019/03/daniel-zimmerman/breaking-new-zealand-attorney-general-announces-ban-on-semi-automatic-guns/amp/
Terrorism works...
Rucker61
03-16-2019, 07:55
While i agree with you. Unfortunately the anti-gun movement sees all gun owners as responsible for every shooting. I, you , we, had Zero to do with any shooting, one on one, or mass, ever. YET we as gun owners pay the price for the deeds of the few.
That's because progressives see all gun owners as potential killers. You and I are just as much of a potential risk as inner city gang members.
Ironically, if they wanted to stop the majority of these mass shooter events constraints on the press would be more effective. [If nobody knows your name or anything about you, you can't be infamous] Ah, how many lives could be saved if the government just strictly controlled everything.
*scratches New Zealand off the "good place to move to" list.*
fak. That leaves Norway, pretty much. I hate cold.
Zundfolge
03-16-2019, 10:33
I don't know how many of you have watched the killer's livestream video ... but the moment he receives a single round in his direction he runs (well drives) away like the coward he is. Thus proving that the ONLY way to mitigate mass murderers is with more armed good guys. Period.
DenverGP
03-16-2019, 10:40
I didn't ever see anyone shoot back at him during the entire video. I didn't see it in the video, but apparently someone at the second mosque managed to get ahold of one of the shooters rifles, but couldn't fire it (not sure if it was empty, jammed, or he just didn't know how to shoot it).
Zundfolge
03-16-2019, 10:49
I didn't ever see anyone shoot back at him during the entire video. I didn't see it in the video, but apparently someone at the second mosque managed to get ahold of one of the shooters rifles, but couldn't fire it (not sure if it was empty, jammed, or he just didn't know how to shoot it).
At about 13:20 he's shooting the shotgun out the windows of his car. He's messing with the shotgun which is jamming or something and you here a single "pop". Not his gun.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6816537/Father-caught-Christchurch-mosque-attack-picked-credit-card-machine-threw-terrorist.html
He said the gunman ran back to his car to get another gun, so he threw a credit card machine at him.
He said he could hear his two youngest sons, 11 and five, urging him to come back inside.
The gunman returned firing but Mr Aziz said he ran past parked cars which prevented him from being shot.
Mr Aziz spotted a gun the attacker had dropped and picked it up.
He pointed it and squeezed the trigger but it was empty.
He said the gunman ran back to the car for a second time to grab another weapon.
'He gets into his car and I just got the gun and threw it on his window like an arrow and blasted his window,' he said.
'The windshield shattered, that's why he got scared.'
He said the gunman was cursing at him, yelling that he was going to kill them all.
But he drove away and Mr Aziz said he chased the car down the street to a red light before it made a U-turn and sped away.
RblDiver
03-16-2019, 11:39
Last I heard he is dead.
-John
New Zealand shooter's still alive.
DenverGP
03-16-2019, 12:37
Curious how the other 3 people were involved... because he only live streamed one of the mosques, I assumed the other people were at the other mosque.
Zundfolge
03-16-2019, 12:43
Curious how the other 3 people were involved... because he only live streamed one of the mosques, I assumed the other people were at the other mosque.
There were two mosques in the video he posted. One he went into, the other just a couple blocks away he shoots from his car. I'm going to guess the other people arrested are just family or associates of his and either they helped him prep or they'll be exonerated but are being picked up as a precaution.
'He gets into his car and I just got the gun and threw it on his window like an arrow and blasted his window,' he said.
'The windshield shattered, that's why he got scared.'
I hate to call Mr. Aziz a liar, but it didn't happen like that. Shooter's windshield was damaged because at the second mosque he shoots people through the windshield and passenger window from the driver's seat. Then you clearly here a gunshot while he was fiddling with an empty or jammed pump shotgun and he drives away.
Anyway you can see why the authorities and media elite are so determined to keep people from watching the actual video (not that the real thing makes the shooter look in any way good).
StagLefty
03-16-2019, 13:34
AOC-Says the phrase "thoughts and prayers" is an NRA conciliatory phrase !!!! [dig] < that's meant for the hole she digs every time she opens her mouth.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1r0KX3X0AAWviI.jpg
Is this the guy that got an egg on his head?
DenverGP
03-16-2019, 17:28
Now up to 50 dead, they found a body they had initially missed...
And they are now saying the other 3 people arrested were not involved in the shooting.
Ok, now ALL the victims' families and NZ Semi-auto owners should be allowed to throw an 100mph (161km/h) fast ball at this turd.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1r0KX3X0AAWviI.jpg
I don’t know as that I can disagree with what he stated
I don’t know as that I can disagree with what he stated
How much time does the manifesto spend on Muslims?
DavieD55
03-17-2019, 02:56
Limbaugh Floats "False Flag" Theory NZ Shooter Is "Leftist" Who Staged Attack To Frame Conservatives
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-15/false-flag-limbaugh-floats-theory-nz-shooter-leftist-who-staged-attack-frame
Limbaugh Floats "False Flag" Theory NZ Shooter Is "Leftist" Who Staged Attack To Frame Conservatives
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-15/false-flag-limbaugh-floats-theory-nz-shooter-leftist-who-staged-attack-frame
False flag or not, the intent is the same. This guy just wanted to accelerate the fire that’s already burning.
Aloha_Shooter
03-17-2019, 09:32
Aaaaand New Zealands semi autos are gone!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2019/03/daniel-zimmerman/breaking-new-zealand-attorney-general-announces-ban-on-semi-automatic-guns/amp/
Terrorism works...
TBH, NZ had already made it a pain to get semi-autos. They supported all kinds of single-shot firearms for hunting and marksmanship training but apparently a pretty rigorous registration process designed to discourage people from wanting semi-autos so there probably aren't a huge number of people affected.
.455_Hunter
03-17-2019, 10:16
TBH, NZ had already made it a pain to get semi-autos. They supported all kinds of single-shot firearms for hunting and marksmanship training but apparently a pretty rigorous registration process designed to discourage people from wanting semi-autos so there probably aren't a huge number of people affected.
Just curious- Are they truly "single shot" (like a H&R Handi-Rifle or Ruger #1) or normal bolt and lever actions with some magazine capacity?
hollohas
03-17-2019, 11:19
How much time does the manifesto spend on Muslims?I'm not sure about that, but there are reports that he spent some time in Pakistan a couple years ago and that he posted on FB regarding what a beautiful country and what amazing people they were. Seems like a quick reversal to go from praising them to hating them.
I would bet that he didn't care one way or another about Muslims but he knew that targeting them would add fuel to the fire that he was trying to ignite/fan.
Zundfolge
03-17-2019, 12:35
How much time does the manifesto spend on Muslims?
Not much and his only beef with Muslims is when they flood into his country "displacing whites" and when white westerners convert to Islam. Otherwise the only reason he picked a mosque to shoot up is because he knew 1) it would get the most attention in the media and 2) there's a good chance that Muslims will strike back (unlike other groups of immigrants) and his ultimate goal is to start a race war. But he flatly states in the manifesto that he doesn't "hate" Muslims in general (only the white ones).
He never criticizes Islam as an ideology, only the spread of it out side of "their part of the world".
Apostate Prophet covers this somewhat here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt3r5GdbC1w
And Sargon of Akkad is promising to post a video going over the entire manifesto.
The truth is, the NZ shooter is following the exact same playbook as Charles Manson did (the murders of Sharon Tate and friends was supposed to be blamed on blacks so that whites and blacks would start a race war ... the blacks would win and for some reason make Manson their king ... clearly he was nuts).
So that just makes that politician sound all the more stupid.
Great-Kazoo
03-17-2019, 20:10
So that just makes that politician sound all the more stupid.
Just that politician?
Well he was the one I was asking about. I think that politicians have pressure to rush out and say things, but I also think that people look for excuses to allow them to say shitty things. Given what is known from this long manifesto, if hatred of Muslims isn't part of the killer's alleged agenda, then is sure makes that politician look silly to rush out and try to lay the blame somewhere else.
hollohas
03-17-2019, 20:27
NZ is now charging people who post the video.
Wow. I've never seen such an all-out effort to completely eliminate ALL direct information about an incident.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-17/22-year-old-new-zealand-man-appear-court-sharing-mosque-attack-video
Under what law of theirs are they charging people? I haven't really thought about what it means that the government wants to shut down the video.
EDIT: I see the law they are charging him with violating in the article posted.
DavieD55
03-17-2019, 20:40
They've got to control the narrative so they can spin it in the desired direction.
Great-Kazoo
03-17-2019, 20:41
Well he was the one I was asking about. I think that politicians have pressure to rush out and say things, but I also think that people look for excuses to allow them to say shitty things. Given what is known from this long manifesto, if hatred of Muslims isn't part of the killer's alleged agenda, then is sure makes that politician look silly to rush out and try to lay the blame somewhere else.
Corey Spartacus Booker, Kamala Harris, and 1/2 dozen other politicians did it when the J smollett fake crime broke. The had the balls to say We should wait for the investigation to be done, before rushing to judgement. or was it before commenting.
Okay, but that doesn't have anything to do with this event. I'm sure dumb people say dumb stuff about every thing, but it isn't an excuse.
Great-Kazoo
03-17-2019, 20:51
Okay, but that doesn't have anything to do with this event. I'm sure dumb people say dumb stuff about every thing, but it isn't an excuse.
EXCUSE ?
They're politicians, they say stupid shit 24/7 with rarely a retraction. OR (outsode a R saying it) calls for their being censored, resigning, removed from office. .
OtterbatHellcat
03-17-2019, 21:21
Alex, ...I'll take "Can I be removed from Office for $500?".
That wasn?t from the manifesto. That quote was from a politician
How much time does the manifesto spend on Muslims?
I know, that's why I was asking about the manifest?. He We have a guy taking 94 pages to explain his motives, and this politician steps in and says, "actually, I think this is the reason..." Umm, okay, thank you for that contribution politician, but we'll probably take our info from the source.
How much time does the manifesto spend on Muslims?
Well he was the one I was asking about. I think that politicians have pressure to rush out and say things, but I also think that people look for excuses to allow them to say shitty things. Given what is known from this long manifesto, if hatred of Muslims isn't part of the killer's alleged agenda, then is sure makes that politician look silly to rush out and try to lay the blame somewhere else.
I know, that's why I was asking about the manifest?. He We have a guy taking 94 pages to explain his motives, and this politician steps in and says, "actually, I think this is the reason..." Umm, okay, thank you for that contribution politician, but we'll probably take our info from the source.
So, have you read the "source" yet?
Or are you still taking other's opinions of what it says?
I haven't, just wondering. Are we allowed to post a link here?
I'm not sure I really care what the killer has to say to be honest.
I like pi. Gamma, too....
OtterbatHellcat
03-18-2019, 20:13
So, have you read the "source" yet?
Or are you still taking other's opinions of what it says?
I haven't, just wondering. Are we allowed to post a link here?
I'm not sure I really care what the killer has to say to be honest.
Not to be an ass, but I don't really care what he said either......even if it wasn't psycho ranting horseshit, still isn't anything I care about enough to look into. Anyone readied up to live stream his insanity is way beyond fucktard by hundreds of miles imo.
Zundfolge
03-18-2019, 20:59
Not to be an ass, but I don't really care what he said either......even if it wasn't psycho ranting horseshit, still isn't anything I care about enough to look into.
I can appreciate that. I don't really want to have to know what he actually said either, but when the leftist media/government complex starts saying "the shooter believed [insert something you believe]" as a means of smearing and eventually persecuting people they happen to disagree with (when he said no such thing) how will you know? How will you be able to argue against it?
His views are reprehensible, and I don't read them because I'm trying to find something I agree with. I read this crap and watched the livestream video because I wanted to be able to call leftists that claim he was shouting "Look, I'm just like Jerry Miculek!" and "I'm doing this for Jesus!" liars and be able to prove it when they inevitably do.
OtterbatHellcat
03-18-2019, 21:46
Honestly, Zund…. I probably can still see the feed, and thought about watching it. But I really don't see the point of that, similar to reading the other prelude stuff.
There was a time not long ago that I would have been all over viewing the stream, but I don't care anymore, ya know? Shitbag factor overload.
I also agree with where you're coming from in principle.
I read the one from the guy that tried to shoot up the sorority in CA a few years back. From a basic interest in the study of mental illness. It was actually interesting because you could see the point in time, in his writings, where the sociopathy emerged. That manifesto was more of a long running journal from his childhood, not written all at once so it almost was intriguing to see when it full-blown activated at a certain point in his teenage years.
This one, I have little interest in because he's in full-blown manipulative stage and wrote it all apparently two weeks before the act, so it's not going to be realistic introspection, it's just a waste of time on 74 (or is it 94?) pages of bullshit. Kind of like Ted Bundy making up stories about why he did it, after the fact. Or the iceman, or many before them.
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