New Zealand bans semi-auto rifles after mass shooting

[Cujo0920]

New Zealand Bans Guns After Mass Shooting; All "Military-Style" And "Assault Rifles" Outlawed

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-21/new-zealand-bans-guns-after-mass-shooting-all-military-style-and-assault-rifles

New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announced the "first tranche" to reforms on gun laws - beginning with the immediate ban on the sale of semi-automatic and 'assault' rifles, six days after attacks on two mosques in Christchurch left 50 people dead. Notably, accused gunman Brenton Tarrant - specifically hoped his attack would lead to the restriction of gun rights.

"On 15 March, our history changed forever. Now, our laws will too," said Ardern. "We are announcing action today on behalf of all New Zealanders to strengthen our gun laws and make our country a safer place."

"The effect of this will mean that no one will be able to buy these weapons without a permit to procure from the police. I can assure people that there is no point in applying for such a permit," she said, adding "In short, every semi-automatic weapon used in the terrorist attack on Friday will be banned in this country."

[Irving]

What a dick move to have a permit system, and immediately admit that no one should bother.

[.455_Hunter]

It's scary that a gov't can do something like that with no legislative process.

[Irving]

I get pissed that the DMV is allowed to put up signs saying how they charge more to use a credit card than cash (against state law and the credit card processing agreement) without any penalty. This is a few levels worse.

[ray1970]

What a dick move to have a permit system, and immediately admit that no one should bother.

I actually appreciate them being honest and upfront.

[UrbanWolf]

It's scary that a gov't can do something like that with no legislative process.

I bet they will even add more to the ban as they write the legislation.

I’m afraid we are heading the same path.

[mahabali]

I wonder if they will make murder illegal too. Fucking idiots.

[Justin]

I bet they will even add more to the ban as they write the legislation.

I’m afraid we are heading the same path.

Evidently the legislation has already been drafted and passed.

This morning NPR noted that the new law went into effect immediately as a deliberate attempt to prevent people from panic buying guns and mags before the institution of the new law.

[BladesNBarrels]

As the people interviewed in the streets of Christchurch, New Zealand, report,
"We are not like the United States. There is no constitutional right to own firearms."
Wonder why the founders of the US thought it might be necessary in the US? To protect US citizens from a government that tries to take away their rights.

[blaster]

[Hummer]

As the people interviewed in the streets of Christchurch, New Zealand, report,
"We are not like the United States. There is no constitutional right to own firearms."
Wonder why the founders of the US thought it might be necessary in the US? To protect US citizens from a government that tries to take away their rights.

[blaster]

That's true of course, but more, that in the USA there's a rifle behind every blade of grass. It's fundamental to our national defense. But as western democracies disarm their citizens the totalitarian dictatorships are preparing their youth for war. Does anyone have a doubt where this is headed?




https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1102985/russia-new-vladimir-putin-youth-army-yunarmia-anna-kuznetsova-viktor-bondarev-olga-vasiliy

[ChickNorris]

I wonder if they will make murder illegal too. Fucking idiots.

THIS^^^

[Demodave]

And what are the Dealers supposed to do with the merchandise?

[crays]

And what are the Dealers supposed to do with the merchandise?

They don't care about those capitalist death-dealing pigdogs. If they had their druthers, they'd probably make them destroy them. As it is, they are probably leaving them to swing in the breeze and figure it out for themselves. Maybe their distributors will take the majority of them off their hands?

This is all conjecture on my part, as I have no facts or sources to back it up. [mop]

[kidicarus13]

And what are the Dealers supposed to do with the merchandise?Who cares? They couldn't wait to fall in line before the ban...

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/18/704584995/shocked-new-zealand-rifle-club-revokes-membership-of-mosque-shootings-suspect

On Monday, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said her government will detail changes to the country's gun laws in the next week.
Several gun stores and online sellers in New Zealand announced they have pulled military-style semi-automatic firearms from their shelves.
Andrew Taylor, an owner of Shooters Supplies, a store in Christchurch that sells firearms and accessories, says he has been receiving many calls since Friday asking to buy semi-automatic weapons.
Taylor says he has had to turn down shoppers asking for high-capacity magazines, which enable guns to shoot far more bullets than they are designed for.
"Anyone can buy those magazines. They're just not allowed to put them in their gun. But if they do, what can we do?" Taylor says.
"So we've pulled the sales of those. And we've pulled the sales of all AR platform guns until we hear further from police or the government as to what we are supposed to do."
In contrast to the shoppers, local?media have reported?that some gun owners have turned over their semi-automatic weapons to the authorities.

[Demodave]

It was a rhetorical question, all ready knew the answer...

It's not a good time to be a sheep or lemming...

[crays]

Taylor says he has had to turn down shoppers asking for high-capacity magazines, which enable guns to shoot far more bullets than they are designed for.


...high-capacity magazines, which enable guns to shoot far more bullets than they are designed for...

...which enable guns to shoot far more bullets than they are designed for...

...enable guns to shoot far more bullets than they are designed for...

...to shoot far more bullets than they are designed for...

My brain hurts. This Taylor must be a real expert. [dig]

[kidicarus13]

Sounds like they're changing shot out barrels mid-mag.

[ray1970]

Those guys would probably love to have a cheap Bear Creek Arsenal barrel. I bet you could make it through at least a couple of magazines before it was shot out.

[Ridge]

And what are the Dealers supposed to do with the merchandise?

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-new-zealand-assault-weapons-ban-20190321-story.html


One of New Zealand's largest gun retailers, Hunting & Fishing New Zealand, said it supports "any government measure to permanently ban such weapons."

"While we have sold them in the past to a small number of customers, last week's events have forced a reconsideration that has led us to believe such weapons of war have no place in our business — or our country," chief executive Darren Jacobs said in a statement.

It's their country, they can do as they please. The general populace seems to be okay with it. They reap whatever they sow.

[Rucker61]

Why aren't they banning the shotgun and lever action rifle he used in the shooting?

[Ridge]

Because the change specifically targets semi automatic firearms, neither of which those guns are.

[def90]

I'm trying to figure out what exactly is going on in New Zealand. So far I see tons of headlines basically stating that "New Zealand bans all semi auto firearms" but when I search for the actually law that has changed all I can find is that Military "Style" semi auto (MSSAs) firearms are being re-classified as class E firearms. In New Zealand you need a license to buy/posses a firearm and like Canada there are are several different licence classifications. Previously a class A license allowed you to buy pretty much all of your standard shotguns and rifles including AR15s as far as I can tell.

A class E license is now as follows:

"Allows the holder to possess and use MSSAs. Issued only to applicants showing a genuine reason for needing to use an MSSA - such as professional hunting, or participation in service-rifle or IPSC 3-gun competitions."

I don't know what the process is to get a class E license but it sounds like you just need to be an IPSC member and attend matches. In theory it sounds like they didn't really ban anything, they just re-classified them and made them more difficult to get.

The actual changes to the law:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/21/explainer-how-are-new-zealands-gun-laws-changing

[ChadAmberg]

What I find worse isn't the gun laws, but the fact that they are arresting people who have the gunman's manifesto and video. They face up to 10 years in jail.

[TEAMRICO]

?Taylor says he has had to turn down shoppers asking for high-capacity magazines, which enable guns to shoot far more bullets than they are designed for.?


Huh???

[Will1776]

From what I understand from the New Zealand Hunting and Shooting forum, the order in the link below was passed and will remain law until it expires in 2020 or a piece of legislation is passed by parliament to look similar and last forever. Boy some of the guys on that forum are pu****s, already getting ready to hand in their rifles and saying the gov "had to do something".

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2019/0055/latest/whole.html#LMS173647

[eddiememphis]

I have searched several times but can't find what weapons were used. Semi automatic rifles, shotguns and a lever action rifle. Have the specific guns been named?

[Zundfolge]

I have searched several times but can't find what weapons were used. Semi automatic rifles, shotguns and a lever action rifle. Have the specific guns been named?

If you watch the video he posted, he starts out with semi auto "tactical" shotgun with a red dot (looks like a Benelli M2 or similar) then he drops that pretty quickly and transitions to an AR with a red dot (looks like an EOTech ... and with one of those goofy California style thumbhole stocks, I believe a HERA ARMS CQR) murders a mess of people with it, goes back to the car and transitions to a second AR with a magnified optic (or maybe just an aimpoint) and same style stock (pistol grips are probably illegal in NZ). Takes a handful of long distance shots, goes back in and shoots some more (mostly shooting dead bodies at this point) comes out and gets back in the car, drives a few blocks to another mosque where he shoots at people from his car through the windshield and passenger window with a pump action shotgun ... someone shoots back at him while he's fiddling with the shotgun (either empty or malfunction, not clear) and he flees.

[Rucker61]

What I find worse isn't the gun laws, but the fact that they are arresting people who have the gunman's manifesto and video. They face up to 10 years in jail.

This.

[BladesNBarrels]

'Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.'

[Big E3]

Sounds like NZ needs a constitution that prevents knee-jerk reactions by people emotionally effected by a particular event and possibly a dash of freedom of speech. You know, kind of like what we used to have.

[DenverGP]

Link to article about them arresting people for sharing the vid and/or manifest (https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/social/weaponised-to-go-viral-the-small-nz-government-unit-hunting-down-people-who-share-the-christchurch-video/news-story/d974e47a054ab76d79a68d546989f1b6)



The country?s chief censor, David Shanks, classified the 17 minute video as ?objectionable? meaning it was completely banned. The classification raised the prospect of a fine of up to $NZ10,000 or up to 14 years? jail for anyone who actively circulates the clip. Local authorities have called on companies like Facebook to hand over the names of those caught sharing.


I bet he said the video was double plus ungood




Philip Arps, a 44-year-old Christchurch resident, was charged with allegedly circulating the footage and had his application for bail declined when he appeared in the Christchurch District Court yesterday.

[Bailey Guns]

Sounds a lot like what liberal social media outlets in this country would like to do to conservative speech.

[TFOGGER]

This is what happens when there is no document restricting the government from taking away one's rights...