9th Circuit ruling on homeless

[DeadElephant]

This is a very interesting and far reaching ruling.

Cities can't prosecute people for sleeping on the streets if they have nowhere else to go because it amounts to cruel and unusual punishment, which is unconstitutional, a federal appeals court said Tuesday.

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals sided with six homeless people from Boise, who sued the city in 2009 over a local ordinance that banned sleeping in public spaces. The ruling could affect several other cities across the U.S. West that have similar laws.

[XJ]

You did not spell “circus” correctly.

[Demodave]

9th Circuit "Judges" are the ones that should be sleeping on the streets..

[ray1970]

If I had no home where would you expect me to sleep?

[MrAK]

If I had no home where would you expect me to sleep?

On a beach in Florida

[.455_Hunter]

How do you define "nowhere else to go?"

I can think of plenty of places that aren't a public street.

[ray1970]

On a beach in Florida

No kidding.

I?ve always wondered why anyone sleeping outside would choose Colorado over some place like Florida.

[ray1970]

How do you define "nowhere else to go?"

I can think of plenty of places that aren't a public street.

I can?t. Toss out a few places. Seriously, I?m not being a smart ass. Just trying to educate myself.

[Skip]

I can?t. Toss out a few places. Seriously, I?m not being a smart ass. Just trying to educate myself.

It's an interesting question.

If the gov can compel you to engage in acts which are inherently against your interests, why shouldn't the gov be able to compel you to work and purchase your own housing which is in your best interest?

Seems like the least of the nanny state's imposition on our lives.

If we had a gov that could not impose on our lives, I guess the answer would be different.

[.455_Hunter]

I can?t. Toss out a few places. Seriously, I?m not being a smart ass. Just trying to educate myself.

Shelters
Recuse Missions
Dispersed Public Camping Areas

The PROBLEM is that these may not be available in the areas where the homeless/transients/vagrants want to hangout, hence the sidewalk.

[Rucker61]

If I had no home where would you expect me to sleep?

California works.

[ray1970]

Shelters
Recuse Missions
Dispersed Public Camping Areas

The PROBLEM is that these may not be available in the areas where the homeless/transients/vagrants want to hangout, hence the sidewalk.

Part of the problem is these places also typically have limited capacity which inevitably leaves some of them with no place to sleep.


Don?t get me wrong. I?m not trying to defend the homeless. If I could put them all in a big cardboard box and light it on fire and never have to deal with any of them again I wouldn?t lose much sleep over it.

But since they?re out there and some of them literally don?t have any place to sleep then why hassle them if they?re in an alley behind a dumpster or or tucked away in some out of the way public place?

Now, if they?re literally in the street or trying to sleep out in the open on a sidewalk or something then by all means someone should ask them to move along.

[.455_Hunter]

Part of the problem is these places also typically have limited capacity which inevitably leaves some of them with no place to sleep.

Then they need to move onto places where there is room. If you are "homeless", then you might not get to hang out in Boulder, SF or San Diego. Maybe you need to find assistance from the area where you became "homeless" instead of moving to and congregating in "cool places".

I live in Boulder County, and willing to throw every service possible at a local resident who becomes homeless due to fire, job loss, medical bills, eviction, etc. This includes food, temporary housing, job training, starter jobs to create employment history- almost anything to help get them back into society.

I support NONE of the above for people who buy a jalopy with temporary Ohio plates, come here for "legal weed", ditch the car in the foothills, and then set-up shop on Canyon and Broadway or the Mall with a "Please Help Sign" and rake in the sympathy of gullible and self-loathing Boulder liberals.

[Irving]

Sounds like we need more homeless in the woods. Is Woodland Park full yet?

There is a nasty looking homeless camp just north of I-76 between I-25 and I-70.

[avandelay]

Trump judicial picks beginning to even out the 9th circus court - Fox report HERE (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-reshapes-9th-circuit-gop-judges-near-majority)

[avandelay]

Sounds like we need more homeless in the woods. Is Woodland Park full yet?

There is a nasty looking homeless camp just north of I-76 between I-25 and I-70.

Right around the bridge where everyone seems to want to slow down and look at the refinery? That camp has been there quite a while.

ETA, Nope, I'm thinking 270, not 76

[Irving]

I'm on 270 often cut haven't seen that camp. I'm thinking just west of I-25 and just North of I-76.

[Great-Kazoo]

Part of the problem is these places also typically have limited capacity which inevitably leaves some of them with no place to sleep.


Don?t get me wrong. I?m not trying to defend the homeless. If I could put them all in a big cardboard box and light it on fire and never have to deal with any of them again I wouldn?t lose much sleep over it.

But since they?re out there and some of them literally don?t have any place to sleep then why hassle them if they?re in an alley behind a dumpster or or tucked away in some out of the way public place?

Now, if they?re literally in the street or trying to sleep out in the open on a sidewalk or something then by all means someone should ask them to move along.

Same place illegals stay, local church. There's a double standard among liberals. willing to do almost anything to assist an illegal. yet "DEMAND WE DO SOMETHING" for the homeless. Never once opening their own doors and or property to squat.

If i were you and homeless. First thing i'd do is sell those harleys you're now sleeping next to, under a tarp ;)

[Skip]

[snip]

Don?t get me wrong. I?m not trying to defend the homeless. If I could put them all in a big cardboard box and light it on fire and never have to deal with any of them again I wouldn?t lose much sleep over it.

[snip]

Understood when I saw your question. More of a philosophical question... Does someone have the right to be homeless and just "be?"

I think the problem creates a false dilemma where people think there are only two options...

1. Deal with it (just be, right to camp anywhere)
2. House them on taxpayer dollars in the expensive cities with limited housing


That's surprisingly narrow thinking from the nanny staters.