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hurley842002
05-07-2019, 14:42
Just got the notification that my kids school is under a "secure perimeter", nobody allowed in or out.
Little Dutch
05-07-2019, 14:44
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/shooting-reported-at-stem-school-in-douglas-county/ar-AAB2tO5?ocid=spartandhp
No data.
hollohas
05-07-2019, 14:45
A father of a student in the actual classroom that shots were fired was just on KOA. Two shooters entered classroom. He said two kids shot but stable. One hit twice, one hit once in the leg. Shooters were immediately engaged and disarmed by other students. I love to hear about people, especially kids, fighting back. Hope the injured recover quickly.
The Dad's son and the two that got shot were the ones to engage the shooters apparently. He says they got up to fight back the moment the two shooters entered the classroom.
Saying at least 2 victims and 1 suspect. Looking for 2 more
3beansalad
05-07-2019, 14:50
Denver 7 live on FB with coverage. Parents being directed to Northridge Rec Center though many, parents and students it seems, have made their way to the new RockBottom down the street.
Metal detectors will be mandatory within the year in all schools....
BushMasterBoy
05-07-2019, 15:12
9375 Cresthill Lane, Highlands Ranch, CO ...this the address?
Shooters were immediately engaged and disarmed by other students. I love to hear about people, especially kids, fighting back.
This is abhorrent. The school has a zero-tolerance policy against fighting or violence. Therefore the students who fought back are just as culpable as the shooters and should be expelled. /sarc
Love hearing the kids fought back!
Twitter had vids of complete panic for awhile. Parents running to the pick up area.
9375 Cresthill Lane, Highlands Ranch, CO ...this the address?
No. It is on Ridgeline
hollohas
05-07-2019, 15:32
9 news is reporting now that more kids were injured. They say the bad guys started in the middle school area and moved to the highschool (or there were more then two gunmen) as police still heard shots when they entered the school. Sounds like more people were hurt before they entered the highschool classroom and the good guys stopped them.
mahabali
05-07-2019, 15:33
Shit, now at least 7 injured.
3beansalad
05-07-2019, 15:37
DC Under-sheriff just reported 7 possibly 8. And two suspects in custody. No SROs were posted at the STEM School.
3beansalad
05-07-2019, 15:38
No. It is on Ridgeline
8773 S Ridgeline Blvd, Highlands Ranch, CO 80129
Pretty close to my house . . . neighbor's son goes there. Hopefully he's ok and I hope there are no fatalities. My kids are still on lockout at their HS.
3beansalad
05-07-2019, 15:40
Denver 7 reported that Littleton Adventist has 5 patients from the scene.
They're reporting 2 at Littleton and 2 at Skyridge. I find it odd no reports of injured at Childrens, which is less than a mile away. Maybe not equip for this type of injuries?
DC Under-sheriff just reported 7 possibly 8. And two suspects in custody. No SROs were posted at the STEM School.
Interview with one of the high school students says they have private security.
3beansalad
05-07-2019, 15:46
They're reporting 2 at Littleton and 2 at Skyridge. I find it odd no reports of injured at Childrens, which is less than a mile away. Maybe not equip for this type of injuries?
So much confusion right now, and new sources don't hesitate to act as though it's fact. Denver 7 just said one at Children's.
Weather about to turn to crap down here, too. At least it sounds like it's over and weather shouldn't hamper getting victims out or anything. But might make other operations more difficult.
4 at Littleton Adventist in "serious" condition . . . 1 in "fair".
theGinsue
05-07-2019, 15:52
Thoughts and prayers out to all touched by this senseless act of violence.
If anyone on this site is directly affected by this event and there is something that we can do for you/your family, please let us know.
3beansalad
05-07-2019, 16:24
Denver 7 talking with the father of a victim. Evidently the young man (17) was hit three times, and will be released from Skyridge within an hour. Modern medicine is truly remarkable.
mahabali
05-07-2019, 16:26
Denver 7 talking with the father of a victim. Evidently the young man (17) was hit three times, and will be released from Skyridge within an hour. Modern medicine is truly remarkable.
Good to hear. Maybe a .22 was used? Hoping all injured make quick recoveries.
I was at the Walgreen's at Broadway and HR Pkwy, traffic was backed up northbound on Broadway. Officers up at Ridgegate directing traffic. I'm hearing sirens, helicopters, saw a Trooper drive by in the rearview, and I ask the pharmacist at the drive through if something was going on, and she mentioned a shooting at a school nearby. Was surprised that it was the STEM school.
Got home and turned on the news. Talking heads saying that it's 20 years after Columbine and nothing has changed. Yeah, because you idiots go after guns rather than putting good guys with guns at the schools.
My kids just got home from Vista. They know several people at STEM . . . sounds like all of them were safe. One of their friends apparently was in a room where the shots were fired, but they didn't know any details beyond that their friend was ok.
I would never want to get shot, but if I did, I'd hope it was a .25. Those aren't real common and based on comments from one gentleman that found a kid by his mailbox that was shot in the back, I'd guess .22 with a very short barrel. Get a little steam behind a 40gr. solid and those suckers have dangerous penetration.
Prayers go out to those kids and families affected. I hope that meaningful school protection is put in place, but I'm not holding my breath.
Sounds like shooters were engaged in 2 minutes. Both suspects thought to be students at STEM school . . . sheriff thinks it's one adult and one juvenile.
Staging area is Northridge Elementary at 555 Southpark Rd, Highlands Ranch
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Northridge+Elementary+School/@39.5516104,-104.9828334,15z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x512bc476784919!8m2!3d39.5516 104!4d-104.9828334
Mis-reported. Correct spot is Northridge Rec Center
8800 S. Brosdway
So Sheriff claims LEO took down the shooters but witnesses saying students took them down before LEO arrived. 2 in custody uninjured.
Spurlock came across as not having much info. He "believes" the suspects are both male? Has he been at the bar all day and just rolled up for this press briefing?
.455_Hunter
05-07-2019, 17:13
So Sheriff claims LEO took down the shooters but witnesses saying students took them down before LEO arrived. 2 in custody uninjured.
Spurlock came across as not having much info. He "believes" the suspects are both male? Has he been at the bar all day and just rolled up for this press briefing?
The students probably stopped the attack, and LEO took them into custody.
.455_Hunter
05-07-2019, 17:15
What would happen if a student pulled out his own pistol and shot the perps when they entered his classroom?
theGinsue
05-07-2019, 17:17
If only this time the .gov entities and media could refrain from identifying the perpetrators by name so as to remove the notoriety they'd get from this event.
Take the fame away and maybe these would dwindle down or stop.
BushMasterBoy
05-07-2019, 17:17
What would happen if a student pulled out his own pistol and shot the perps when they entered his classroom?
Covered up like a UFO close encounter, probably with cash handed out too.
If only this time the .gov entities and media could refrain from identifying the perpetrators by name so as to remove the notoriety they'd get from this event.
Take the fame away and maybe these would dwindle down or stop.
Spurlock said he won't name them now. One is a minor and one an adult.
From twitter local media it looks like there are still two student in serious condition. :(
ETA: One fatality.
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/at-least-one-victim-in-shooting-at-stem-school-highlands-ranch-authorities-say
Rucker61
05-07-2019, 17:31
They should execute the shooters publicly. Graphically. Painfully.
powerstroke79
05-07-2019, 17:39
Talking heads saying that it's 20 years after Columbine and nothing has changed. Yeah, because you idiots go after guns rather than putting good guys with guns at the schools.
+1
If Colorado legislators really want to protect kids they would have closed campus. 2 LEO on school grounds before and after school hours. At any school event. It's a good thing Colorado Legislators keep voting no on CCW teachers. Insert sarcasm here. We are alot safer with a RED FLAG Law. End sarcasm
If only this time the .gov entities and media could refrain from identifying the perpetrators by name so as to remove the notoriety they'd get from this event.
Take the fame away and maybe these would dwindle down or stop.
This would go a long way towards ending most of these shootings. There are multiple papers that have been written by psychologists on this issue. Knowing that they will be “famous” is a big motivator for the perps.
hollohas
05-07-2019, 17:46
So Sheriff claims LEO took down the shooters but witnesses saying students took them down before LEO arrived. 2 in custody uninjured.
Spurlock came across as not having much info. He "believes" the suspects are both male? Has he been at the bar all day and just rolled up for this press briefing?I don't trust Spurlock at all after his Red Flag BS.
The DC Sheriff Twitter is saying that deputies "engaged them right away and their quick response saved lives".
There are multiple eyewitness accounts now that disagree with that statement. I heard the Dad of the student that was invloved live on the radio as this was unfolding and he knew far more about the situation than anyone knew at that point, including the DC Sheriff Twitter updates.
If it turns out that the students did in fact engage the bad guys first and disarm them and the sheriff tries to downplay that I hope DougCo residents don't let him live it down.
WillysWagon
05-07-2019, 18:02
Damn, just heard about the fatality on the news right before I saw the latest posts.
.455_Hunter
05-07-2019, 18:06
I don't trust Spurlock at all after his Red Flag BS.
The DC Sheriff Twitter is saying that deputies "engaged them right away and their quick response saved lives".
There are multiple eyewitness accounts now that disagree with that statement. I heard the Dad of the student that was invloved live on the radio as this was unfolding and he knew far more about the situation than anyone knew at that point, including the DC Sheriff Twitter updates.
If it turns out that the students did in fact engage the bad guys first and disarm them and the sheriff tries to downplay that I hope DougCo residents don't let him live it down.
I don't know why trying to claim "false glory" for his LEO response would be necessary. Securing and arresting the perps after being disarmed by the students is a perfectly reasonable outcome, as would his deputies engaging and stopping the perps directly- both are miles ahead of the Broward County response of hiding behind cars and pillars.
If it is confirmed that students did disarm the gunman and de facto stop the attack, they should be at the State Capitol next week receiving Colorado Governor’s Citizenship Medals from Polis.
The Under-Sheriff seemed to have better info than Spurlock. She said there was a scuffle when officers arrived on scene.
I'm glad it didn't take DCSO long to respond. They're only a block away. Was interesting that a SRO from another school was first on scene.
hollohas
05-07-2019, 18:13
The Under-Sheriff seemed to have better info than Spurlock. She said there was a scuffle when officers arrived on scene.^This. I think she did a good job all afternoon.
BPTactical
05-07-2019, 18:14
"Special Session" of Colorado legislature to address "Gun Violence" in 3,2,1............
BOHICA
hollohas
05-07-2019, 18:25
...both are miles ahead of the Broward County response of hiding behind cars and pillars.
I agree completely. The DougCo SO (and others) response seems to have been just about as quick as it gets.
theGinsue
05-07-2019, 18:33
I don't know why trying to claim "false glory" for his LEO response would be necessary. Securing and arresting the perps after being disarmed by the students is a perfectly reasonable outcome, as would his deputies engaging and stopping the perps directly- both are miles ahead of the Broward County response of hiding behind cars and pillars.
If it is confirmed that students did disarm the gunman and de facto stop the attack, they should be at the State Capitol next week receiving Colorado Governor’s Citizenship Medals from Polis.
Ah, but the prevailing "advice" on how to handle these situations is to NOT engage the bad guys and just let LEO's handle it...when they arrive.
This isn't a knock on Law enforcement; I'm sure all of our LE members know how much I respect them and the LE community at large. This is just a realistic statement that we can't maintain sufficient law enforcement presence to stop these events everywhere. We have to get it though the heads of those that parrot the line "you don't need guns because the police will protect you" to realize we are ALL individually responsible for our own safety and protection. We've got to change the mindset of everyone to understand that they have to ACT IMMEDIATELY to neutralize threats/acts of violence against them and others. If we could get the standard reaction to these events to be everyone fighting back with immediate force, perhaps those contemplating these events would reconsider the effectiveness of their decided actions.
While we're getting conflicting stories of what occurred, if (and I believe they did) students interceded on their own and other students behalf, I applaud them with an enthusiastic standing ovation.
I agree completely. The DougCo SO (and others) response seems to have been just about as quick as it gets.
Yes! Excellent response to this event on behalf of the Deputies of the Douglas County Sheriffs Office, and other agencies who responded. They are an example of what response is proper and required in these sorts of situations.
"Special Session" of Colorado legislature to address "Gun Violence" in 3,2,1............
BOHICA
Of course. Never let a tragedy go to waste - after all, they have an agenda to accomplish.
hollohas
05-07-2019, 18:38
Students DO respond and engage gunmen more often than is publicized. It gets swept under the rug. When they do and they save others with their heroic actions, we need to shout it from the mountain tops for everyone to hear. But, standing up to bullies is BAD. That's hammered into kids heads from preschool. That needs to change. We should celebrate it, but we discourage it. And IMO, these more common school shootings are a consequence of that.
Yeah, fight like your life depends on it...because it does. That's natural law.
Is this the Kid? Devon Ericson? Seems my daughter friends are texting this.
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I got the sense Spurlock was hinting one of the victims was shot attempting to stop the shooter
I recently found out what STEM stands for at my kids school.
Science technology engineering math.
mahabali
05-07-2019, 19:56
More on one of the shitheads https://heavy.com/news/2019/05/devon-erickson-devin/
Well, so much for the idea of not making these guys famous.. Thanks alot everyone!
mahabali
05-07-2019, 20:11
Well, so much for the idea of not making these guys famous.. Thanks alot everyone!
unfortunately the media will never stop doing this :(
unfortunately the media will never stop doing this :(
It's in their nature.
hollohas
05-07-2019, 20:29
What do you know. A "non-conformist". Fucking weirdo.
BPTactical
05-07-2019, 20:44
What do you know. A "non-conformist". Fucking weirdo.
It would appear Leftist as well.
Predictable.
Leftists cannot handle reality, so they try to create their own through idealism and sometimes violence.
Conservatives just work their ass off to create their own reality.
Sounds like a "tolerant" leftist.
Pretty sure my son knows this kid . . . not friends or anything, but he was involved in some activities where this douchenozzle was reportedly in. Betting he "knows who he is".
Gah this is horrific. Prayers for the kids.
To help stop this, the school front offices need to be staffed by vets with combat experiance and and an effig gun. The bullshit safety measures and cat ladies staffing the front office need to go.
It doesn't matter if you say who they are when they were the ones who got shut down, especially by their peers.
BushMasterBoy
05-07-2019, 22:09
Gah this is horrific. Prayers for the kids.
To help stop this, the school front offices need to be staffed by vets with combat experiance and and an effig gun. The bullshit safety measures and cat ladies staffing the front office need to go.
The whole system is corrupt. The people that run this country send their students to private schools with top notch security.
But it is a good idea!
Sounds like a couple real gems of humanity . . .
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/at-least-one-victim-in-shooting-at-stem-school-highlands-ranch-authorities-say
At 6:30 p.m., law enforcement officers were at a home believed to be linked to [the adult suspect], near West Highlands Ranch Parkway and West Wildcat Reserve Parkway in Highlands Ranch. Just before 10 p.m. a car spray painted with a message saying "F--- society" was towed from the home.
Multiple sources close to the investigation told Denver7 late Tuesday night that the second suspect, who is a minor, is a transgender male who was in the midst of transitioning from female to male.
The sources said that the motive of the alleged shooters went beyond bullying and involved revenge and anger towards others at the school and that at least one of the suspects was involved in legal and illegal drug use and had been in therapy.
Authorities recovered three handguns and a rifle but said the rifle was not used in the shooting. They are looking for more guns, one ranking source said.
But . . . I'm going to go out on a limb and say guns were to blame.
Rucker61
05-07-2019, 22:21
Sounds like a couple real gems of humanity . . .
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/at-least-one-victim-in-shooting-at-stem-school-highlands-ranch-authorities-say
At 6:30 p.m., law enforcement officers were at a home believed to be linked to [the adult suspect], near West Highlands Ranch Parkway and West Wildcat Reserve Parkway in Highlands Ranch. Just before 10 p.m. a car spray painted with a message saying "F--- society" was towed from the home.
Multiple sources close to the investigation told Denver7 late Tuesday night that the second suspect, who is a minor, is a transgender male who was in the midst of transitioning from female to male.
The sources said that the motive of the alleged shooters went beyond bullying and involved revenge and anger towards others at the school and that at least one of the suspects was involved in legal and illegal drug use and had been in therapy.
Authorities recovered three handguns and a rifle but said the rifle was not used in the shooting. They are looking for more guns, one ranking source said.
But . . . I'm going to go out on a limb and say guns were to blame.
Oh, that's going to f*ck up the narrative.
Oh, that's going to f*ck up the narrative.
I'm sure they'll find a convenient path to ignore the facts.
.455_Hunter
05-07-2019, 23:15
Uh oh...
Stand by for media self-suppression of discussion about the perps if the above indications are true. It will be ALL ABOUT the fact that they were able to gain access to weapons, nothing more.
You guys aren't very creative.
If only there had been a red flag law...
Reality is the media at large doesn't have to change the narrative, or suppress anything, etc. One fatality here; there is no obligation for them to carry it in the news. #1 to all their statistics, #1 to their "school shooting count", but otherwise they choose what to report, and "journalists" by far and large only report on what they care about anymore.
That said, there is serious money in ANYTHING that people will click on, so whether or not if something is true - and whether it is liberal or conservative slanted, there will be some entities out there trying to push it in your face for views, because views = $; and why bother worrying about facts or honesty. Controversy is the new medium, pissed off people is the currency. Whether or not it was a M-F teenage transexual, who knows. It will be reported as such by certain entities (maybe true, who knows) along with other blatantly false information (some link to Obama, perhaps) and people inclined to believe it will click on it and immediately believe it. Likewise, it will also be reported by some entities that they were connected with MAGA, alt-right, or whatever, and people inclined to believe it will click on it and immediately believe it.
Our society is coming apart because we're allowing ourselves to be manipulated by our own cognitive dissonance.
Rule #1: Distrust and verify everything, especially if you are otherwise inclined to believe it. Especially if casts in a negative light, people you disagree with.
hollohas
05-08-2019, 05:22
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/colorado-stem-school-student-brendan-bialy-helped-disarm-gunman-n1003181
hollohas
05-08-2019, 05:40
You guys aren't very creative.Neither are these killers.
It would sure be interesting to see Spurlock react to the role of the students actually tackling the dirtbag at his next briefing. I hope he gets asked about that.
**just saw that he had one at 6a this morning but it wouldn’t play on their Twitter page for me**
Watched a bit of the press this morning while getting ready for work. I think I only heard the term "students" a couple times, while they (spurlock, polis and reporters) continually used "children". I know there are students younger than high school age at this school, but the bulk, if not the entirety, of the event happened in the high school. It just further illustrates the need to drive agenda.
Another interesting thing was that spurlock, in particular, insisted on reiterating that the two suspects were minors. Hmmm. I guess an 18 year old shooter qualifies as a minor, but we should give 16 year olds the voice of the vote...
I will withhold my comments on the demeanor of spurlock and polis throughout the time that I watched, but I will say that one of the two seemed a lot more uncomfortable than stressed out.
ETA, based on doc45's post above:
He did everything he could to deflect all questions concerning that in the portion that I watched, but he did actually admit that one of the suspects was "detained" when taken into SO custody. The only description he would give when asked directly about student intervention was that some of them may have "encountered" the suspects.
Lots of interesting phrasing in the answers put forth by both s and p. And of course as I was turning it off to leave, our ever-pandering gov was answering a question in spanish...
BladesNBarrels
05-08-2019, 08:14
Lots of interesting phrasing in the answers put forth by both s and p. And of course as I was turning it off to leave, our ever-pandering gov was answering a question in spanish...
That's when I had enough of listening for good questions and responses. I found some old Pawn Stars reruns to carry through breakfast.
BushMasterBoy
05-08-2019, 08:49
In a nutshell, a man and his transgender "friend" are disrespected in school. They decide to shoot students at the school as revenge. Instead of promoting better security, the elected officials say things to get themselves elected again and really plan on doing nothing about the issue.
Zundfolge
05-08-2019, 08:52
Yet another example of left-wing violence.
Time to ban Democrats.
hurley842002
05-08-2019, 08:53
This is what should be in the headlines today:
https://kdvr.com/2019/05/08/marine-hopeful-helped-subdue-shooter-at-stem-school-highlands-ranch/
This is what should be in the headlines today:
https://kdvr.com/2019/05/08/marine-hopeful-helped-subdue-shooter-at-stem-school-highlands-ranch/
Right-on!
Wonder if they will bump him to PFC before he leaves.
.455_Hunter
05-08-2019, 09:11
The students who acted to stop the attack are getting good coverage on the TODAY show.
Wonder if they will bump him to PFC before he leaves.
He earned that stripe better than I did!
Heck, give him E3, it's practically the same thing.
Yet another example of left-wing violence.
Time to ban Democrats.
Looking at things this morning, people are picking up on this and it appears to matter. I expected to see a lot of "reasonable gun control" demands but instead lots of folks saying "we already have gun control" and "these kids were disturbed how is another law going to address that?"
hollohas
05-08-2019, 09:57
Sounds like the student that was killed, Kendrick Castillo, was shot while attempting to physically fight one of the killers. Students in his class said his actions helped save their lives. Another hero.
newracer
05-08-2019, 10:05
Sounds like the student that was killed, Kendrick Castillo, was shot while attempting to physically fight one of the killers. Students in his class said his actions helped save their lives. Another hero.
https://www.9news.com/article/news/local/student-killed-at-stem-school-highlands-ranch-lunged-at-gunman-classmate-says/73-73cf2cf0-ac38-4e7a-8213-e61a74da2be4?fbclid=IwAR1qHcSnk1hHDbOugskxeNe6dgnD xxBpE23oZBMDG6KoNqfPLSQW4avuMj8
Rucker61
05-08-2019, 10:27
The students who acted to stop the attack are getting good coverage on the TODAY show.
No mention of their "toxic masculinity"?
.455_Hunter
05-08-2019, 11:17
From Heavy.com...
A group called Far Left Youth wrote on Twitter, ?To be clear, the #stemshooter wasn?t a leftist. One of our admins new him personally and knew that he had no love for socialism. What was done was evil and totally out of line with any leftist values.? The group labels itself as ?Youth led grassroots group meant to educate Coloradan youth on socialist theory/history.?
That was quick.
Great-Kazoo
05-08-2019, 11:20
From Heavy.com...
That was quick.
But officer, these aren't my pants !
Had he been a NRA member, OH the links to white gun owning terrorist, would be plastered all over the web
From Heavy.com...
That was quick.
Didn't the social media posts reveal that he was in fact "a leftist?"
And yes, murdering innocent people, directly or indirectly, is completely in line with Socialism (the eventual transition to Communism).
Rucker61
05-08-2019, 11:40
"The STEM school doesn't have a school resource officer, but it did have a private security guard, Spurlock said.
And that guard was among the first to confront one of the suspects, said Grant Whitus, chief operating officer of BOSS High Level Protection.
Whitus -- the first SWAT officer to enter Columbine 20 years ago -- declined to identify the guard but said he was "instrumental" in stopping the attack.
He said the guard drew his gun, took the suspect into custody and turned the suspect over to sheriff's deputies.
Had the guard not been on site, "countless lives would have been lost," Whitus said.
But the guard still feels bad that he couldn't stop the entire attack.
"He's a very good guy," Whitus said. "He's wishing he could have done more."
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/08/us/denver-stem-school-shooting-wednesday/index.html
In a nutshell, a man and his transgender "friend" are disrespected in school.
...and you know they were disrespected how? What's your source for the info?
BushMasterBoy
05-08-2019, 12:52
...and you know they were disrespected how? What's your source for the info?
Naw, they went there cos' dey was loved!
They were full of hate, but do you know why?
They were full of hate, but do you know why?
Do you think we'd ever get an honest assessment of why?
I think the best we'll get is social media which is better than Columbine which left some speculation (bullying). Short of a manifesto, it would be filtered through media. How many knew the recent NZ mosque shootings were intended to inspire more gun control?
No amount of high school trauma can justify what they did morally or legally.
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Denver Channel has posted some pics from the court hearing with the 18 year old. I'm not linking but it's on their main page if interested. Getting a lot of flak for that on Twitter but it's mostly from Libs. I think the images not fitting the narrative are a problem.
And media has generated so much fear/interest on shootings, folks want to know. I'm torn on this and would be if the shooters fit the narrative too.
Little Dutch
05-08-2019, 15:10
Just tossing this out there. Who knows what's correct yet.
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/sources-investigators-believe-suspects-in-stem-school-shooting-stole-guns-from-parents-of-1-suspect
the highlights:
... juvenile suspect is in the process of transitioning from female to male ...
... the motive of the alleged shooters went beyond bullying and involved revenge and anger towards others at the school and that at least one of the suspects was involved in legal and illegal drug use and had been in therapy.
hollohas
05-08-2019, 15:10
"The STEM school doesn't have a school resource officer, but it did have a private security guard, Spurlock said.
And that guard was among the first to confront one of the suspects, said Grant Whitus, chief operating officer of BOSS High Level Protection.
Whitus -- the first SWAT officer to enter Columbine 20 years ago -- declined to identify the guard but said he was "instrumental" in stopping the attack.
He said the guard drew his gun, took the suspect into custody and turned the suspect over to sheriff's deputies.
Had the guard not been on site, "countless lives would have been lost," Whitus said.
But the guard still feels bad that he couldn't stop the entire attack.
"He's a very good guy," Whitus said. "He's wishing he could have done more."
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/08/us/denver-stem-school-shooting-wednesday/index.html
The Sheriff confirmed that the private security did indeed engage and restrain one of the killers prior to the SO arriving on scene.
That's a huge plus one in favor of private security in schools.
Rooskibar03
05-08-2019, 15:23
Brendan Bialy, the student who rushed the shooter is on KDVR right now and is rocking the interview. That kid, and to a point his parents, deserves a huge high five
hollohas
05-08-2019, 15:49
Purple hair on a teenage male, should be about as big as a red flag as face tattoos. Odds are that person is nuts.
And parents that allow their teenager to do that aren't doing a good job. (Yes, I know he's 18, but I see kids much younger with hair like that all the time and there's something wrong with that).
Just tossing this out there. Who knows what's correct yet.
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/sources-investigators-believe-suspects-in-stem-school-shooting-stole-guns-from-parents-of-1-suspect
the highlights:
... juvenile suspect is in the process of transitioning from female to male ...
... the motive of the alleged shooters went beyond bullying and involved revenge and anger towards others at the school and that at least one of the suspects was involved in legal and illegal drug use and had been in therapy.
"Bullying" is so subjective now. Someone "misgendering" them could be perceived as bullying when someone was just confused.
I've harped on drug use before.
As for dyed hair... I knew kids that did that to be goofy. We shaved our heads on a dare junior year (I think we lost a big game), like dozens of us. It was stupid. None of us were crying for help or thought about killing our classmates.
newracer
05-08-2019, 16:03
Brendan Bialy, the student who rushed the shooter is on KDVR right now and is rocking the interview. That kid, and to a point his parents, deserves a huge high five
I just watched the entire interview, what an amazing young man.
ChickNorris
05-08-2019, 16:04
I just watched the entire interview, what an amazing young man.
Anyone have a link?
hurley842002
05-08-2019, 16:05
I just watched the entire interview, what an amazing young man.Same here, and I agree. I couldn't hear any of the questions they asked him (watching on my phone), curious what the questions he declined to answer were.
3beansalad
05-08-2019, 16:14
I just watched the entire interview, what an amazing young man.
Anyone have a link?
Yes, please. I can't find it online.
hurley842002
05-08-2019, 16:23
Yes, please. I can't find it online.https://www.kktv.com/content/news/WATCH--509658661.html
3beansalad
05-08-2019, 16:24
https://www.kktv.com/content/news/WATCH--509658661.html
Thank you.
Where I grew up in Minnesota in the 80s our neighboring school district had an “Alternative” high school, it was a school where drop outs and other kids with issues that dont perform in the regular school system could go. The teachers were teachers as well as counselors. I knew a couple of kids that went there. They were the skater/punk types who basically grew up in shitty homes. They got picked on and randomly beat up a lot in the regular high school, so much so that they both eventually dropped out. They both then went to this alternative high school and they both graduated with pretty good grades. Honestly, these two kids at the stem school and the Columbine kids sound like the same MO and they likely could have made it through high school if they were in a different social setting amoung other people like them. Misfits.. would be nice if this school concept caught on elsewhere, I imagine that this coupled with not releasing names would make a significant dent in these kinds of problems.
Where I grew up in Minnesota in the 80s our neighboring school district had an “Alternative” high school, it was a school where drop outs and other kids with issues that dont perform in the regular school system could go. The teachers were teachers as well as counselors. I knew a couple of kids that went there. They were the skater/punk types who basically grew up in shitty homes. They got picked on and randomly beat up a lot in the regular high school, so much so that they both eventually dropped out. They both then went to this alternative high school and they both graduated with pretty good grades. Honestly, these two kids at the stem school and the Columbine kids sound like the same MO and they likely could have made it through high school if they were in a different social setting amoung other people like them. Misfits.. would be nice if this school concept caught on elsewhere, I imagine that this coupled with not releasing names would make a significant dent in these kinds of problems.
This still exists today, but it's always changing. My little brother was the first graduating class from a Montessori high school in the early 2000's and it was exactly what you described. Shortly after that it was charter schools with that reputation. After that it was trade school. None of those really fit that description now.
hollohas
05-08-2019, 16:45
...they likely could have made it through high school if they were in a different social setting amoung other people like them. Misfits..
That's the entire point of charter schools like this STEM school. They don't confirm to state standards in order to provide an alternative education for kids who just don't fit in or learn well at normal public schools.
Unfortunately, the state and liberal county school boards are incredibly hostile towards charter schools. They HATE the fact that charter schools don't follow the government education model. Don't count on seeing many more "alternative" schools in Colorado. The state board just shutdown an application for one in the Boulder area for no reason at all.
That's the entire point of charter schools like this STEM school. They don't confirm to state standards in order to provide an alternative education for kids who just don't fit in or learn well at normal public schools.
Unfortunately, the state and liberal county school boards are incredibly hostile towards charter schools. They HATE the fact that charter schools don't follow the government education model. Don't count on seeing many more "alternative" schools in Colorado. The state board just shutdown an application for one in the Boulder area for no reason at all.
That is not at all what this STEM school is about. The STEM school in Highlands Ranch is a science based curriculum for kids that want to go the science / engineering route into high school and eventually college skipping the arts and other fluff that isn't needed. It is not a school for troubled kids.
The alternative high school is part of the Burnsville Mn school district and classes were held in an older district building. It was not a charter school.
https://www.isd191.org/schools/burnsville-alternative-high-school/office/about-bahs
As for dyed hair... I knew kids that did that to be goofy. We shaved our heads on a dare junior year (I think we lost a big game), like dozens of us. It was stupid. None of us were crying for help or thought about killing our classmates.
My wife says, "It's just hair. It grows out, can be cut off...it's not a big deal."
hollohas
05-08-2019, 17:01
That is not at all what this STEM school is about. The STEM school in Highlands Ranch is a science based curriculum for kids that want to go the science / engineering route into high school skipping the arts and other fluff that isn't needed. It is not a school for troubled kids.
The alternative high school is part of the Burnsville Mn school district and classes were held in an older district building. It was not a charter school.
https://www.isd191.org/schools/burnsville-alternative-high-school/office/about-bahs
No, I know it wasn't for "troubled kids". But you mentioned schools with "different settings" for kids to be "amoung other people like them" where they can fit in better and that is what charter schools are.
Science and tech minded kids frequently don't fit in normal public school and can get picked on there. And some fail due to constantly getting unwanted attention. So, a STEM charter school gave their parents an option to send them to a school where they fit in better.
Charter schools that focus on other types of education exist as well.
All I'm saying, is I agree with you on the premise of your post. Alternative schools designed for different types of kids can and do help struggling kids fit in and graduate and should be more common. Should that be for "troubled" kids. Science kids. Art kids. Classical education. Or whatever.
One issue with some of these charter schools though is that parents project their own wishes on their kids and put them in schools they don't belong in which can also lead to pressure on the kid and ultimate failure. I had some friends years ago that were stressing about what elementary school.was going to be best for their kid because some are more sciences based and others more arts based. They are both high level engineers. I told them any school in Boulder was going to be better than 95% of the schools in the country and then asked them what they were going to do if their kid grows up and decides he wants to join a circus.
Hope they charge the other kid as an adult. Make adult decisions . . . reap adult consequences.
Who knows if their plan was to off themselves or not at some point, but if they thought their life was rough in suburbia . . . they should enjoy several decades in prison. Screw both of 'em.
newracer
05-08-2019, 17:38
Same here, and I agree. I couldn't hear any of the questions they asked him (watching on my phone), curious what the questions he declined to answer were.
I think most of the questions he declined to answer were about the shooters.
hurley842002
05-08-2019, 17:40
I think most of the questions he declined to answer were about the shooters.Makes sense, they need zero airtime.
In this day and age of teens spending at least half their day on social media, the names of the shooters who just shot up their school will be broadcast worldwide instantly. Never going to stop it.
Publicizing the 20th anniversary of Columbine through broadcast media, on the other hand, could easily have been avoided.
His attorney was likely whispering in his ear when the subject matter was going to cause issues when this goes to trial.
Wasn't too surprised that the libtard media couldn't fathom how this young man was smiling.
ETA: After hearing from someone that was there, it pisses me off how much credit DCSO and the school's private security company took credit for ending this quickly and preventing more deaths.
kidicarus13
05-08-2019, 19:12
Purple hair on a teenage male, should be about as big as a red flag as face tattoos. Odds are that person is nuts.
You're being too judgemental. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190509/7b08118d4b823244695f84687cbd8aa5.jpg
hollohas
05-08-2019, 19:29
You're being too judgemental. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190509/7b08118d4b823244695f84687cbd8aa5.jpgGuilty as charged.
BPTactical
05-08-2019, 19:55
You're being too judgemental. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190509/7b08118d4b823244695f84687cbd8aa5.jpg
First thing that went through my mind when I saw this weeks fruit loop.
JFC.
JohnnyDrama
05-08-2019, 20:33
That's the entire point of charter schools like this STEM school. They don't confirm to state standards in order to provide an alternative education for kids who just don't fit in or learn well at normal public schools.
Unfortunately, the state and liberal county school boards are incredibly hostile towards charter schools. They HATE the fact that charter schools don't follow the government education model. Don't count on seeing many more "alternative" schools in Colorado. The state board just shutdown an application for one in the Boulder area for no reason at all.
That is a great point.
One issue with some of these charter schools though is that parents project their own wishes on their kids and put them in schools they don't belong in which can also lead to pressure on the kid and ultimate failure. I had some friends years ago that were stressing about what elementary school.was going to be best for their kid because some are more sciences based and others more arts based. They are both high level engineers. I told them any school in Boulder was going to be better than 95% of the schools in the country and then asked them what they were going to do if their kid grows up and decides he wants to join a circus.
Yep. It's everybody's fault (and the gun) except the parents'. I'll bet these kids would have been perfectly happy hanging out and playing video games but they were pushed into an environment where that wasn't acceptable (STEM vs. public school). Not by their parents, or their peers.
Oh this is interesting. Anyone know the details?
https://nypost.com/2019/05/09/students-storm-out-of-colorado-school-shooting-vigil-in-protest-of-politicians/
Oh this is interesting. Anyone know the details?
https://nypost.com/2019/05/09/students-storm-out-of-colorado-school-shooting-vigil-in-protest-of-politicians/
I was just reading about it on The Federalist - https://thefederalist.com/2019/05/09/colorado-students-walk-out-of-school-shooting-vigil-after-it-turns-political/
More proof, as if we need more proof, that the (D) don't care about people, they only care about their agenda. The ends justify the means.
Rational teenagers at a school that focuses on things where feelings don't matter more than truth and sensibility. Go figure.
Media does not seem to be publicizing very well that the guard was armed and took down one shooter with his gun without loss of life. Hopefully this news gets out more and they publicize how shools are armed and not soft targets anymore.
Once people realize this, potential killers will stop going for schools but the media needs to push this narrative!
BPTactical
05-09-2019, 07:49
Another take: /www.thedailybeast.com/stem-school-shooting-students-walk-out-of-vigil-organized-by-team-enough-and-moms-demand-action?ref=scroll
The kids get it.
Cherry Creek school district has an alternative high school. They really aren't as uncommon as some of you make it sound.
Sent from somewhere...
.455_Hunter
05-09-2019, 08:27
The excellent jr high / middle school that I attended in Boulder got turned into the alternative high school.
BladesNBarrels
05-09-2019, 08:28
Media does not seem to be publicizing very well that the guard was armed and took down one shooter with his gun without loss of life. Hopefully this news gets out more and they publicize how shools are armed and not soft targets anymore.
Once people realize this, potential killers will stop going for schools but the media needs to push this narrative!
Now Channel 9 News is reporting that unconfirmed information may indicate the guard shot one of the students, or aimed his weapon at a responding Douglas County Deputy?
Good on the kids for calling bs on the politician/media playbook for gun control. That was probably quite a shock that the crowd didn't lap up the usual song an dance.
Now Channel 9 News is reporting that unconfirmed information may indicate the guard shot one of the students, or aimed his weapon at a responding Douglas County Deputy?
Got a link for that? Seems like rather HUGE news but I don't see it anywhere. If that is true, then alot of eyewitnesses will have some explaining to do because that matches up with non of the reported accounts so far.
It seems to me the Media has already started to move on. National news have dropped this and local already has it down the page less important than an inch of snow.
Got a link for that? Seems like rather HUGE news but I don't see it anywhere. If that is true, then alot of eyewitnesses will have some explaining to do because that matches up with non of the reported accounts so far.
It seems to me the Media has already started to move on. National news have dropped this and local already has it down the page less important than an inch of snow.
https://gazette.com/news/investigators-look-into-report-stem-school-security-officer-fired-at/article_4dbdab1c-7266-11e9-af0c-4749fa68b3b0.html
https://www.9news.com/article/news/investigations/investigators-look-into-report-stem-school-security-officer-fired-at-sheriffs-deputy/73-dcc296b1-ebc7-4df2-8486-b40f2136cee1
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/abc-news-sources-say-stem-school-armed-guard-may-have-mistakenly-fired-at-deputies-hit-student
ABC News: Sources say STEM School armed guard may have mistakenly fired at deputies
Posted: 9:22 AM, May 09, 2019 Updated: 56 minutes ago
By: Stephanie Butzer
HIGHLANDS RANCH, Colo. ? An armed private security guard who was assigned to the Highlands Ranch Colorado STEM school campus may have mistakenly fired at Douglas County deputies responding to the scene and injured a student, according to ABC News.
A top law enforcement official told ABC News that detectives are trying to determine if a round from the security officer?s firearm struck and wounded an innocent student. The source said the investigation is in its early stages and authorities are speaking with the security guard to learn more.
The student?s condition is not clear.
Authorities responded to the school just before 2 p.m. on Tuesday after a shooting that injured eight people and killed 18-year-old Kendrick Castillo.
A Douglas County Sheriff?s Department spokeswoman said she would not comment, citing the ongoing investigation, according to ABC News.
The school?s security officer is employed by BOSS High Level Protection. On Wednesday night, CEO Grant Whitus told ABC News that he was unaware of reports his employee may have fired at a deputy and wounded a student.
Unnamed "sources" again.
Sounds like someone possibly trying to turn the effectiveness of armed security on campus into a liability.
Have to wait and see.
yardsells
05-09-2019, 12:06
Students who came to the event said they were frustrated to hear politicians speak, and the discussion turn to gun control
https://www.9news.com/article/news/stem-students-talk-walk-out-of-vigil-frustrated-by-political-talk/73-4590cb00-b273-48b0-93dd-b018dc4097e8
Oh this is interesting. Anyone know the details?
https://nypost.com/2019/05/09/students-storm-out-of-colorado-school-shooting-vigil-in-protest-of-politicians/
I had lunch with an old friend today and he mentioned it to me. I'm proud to hear the students are being rational and focusing on the good that came from the ordeal and refusing not to be victims. When I drove into the neighborhood a few minutes ago the HRCA signs had supportive messages using hashtag #STEMstrong.
My friend's wife is a teacher in another DougCo school and they had a threat on the school today. It was mentioned that there were a couple of related arrests, but a bunch of the students and teachers were uncomfortable about the situation being so close to the STEM shooting and are going home early.
Students who came to the event said they were frustrated to hear politicians speak, and the discussion turn to gun control
https://www.9news.com/article/news/stem-students-talk-walk-out-of-vigil-frustrated-by-political-talk/73-4590cb00-b273-48b0-93dd-b018dc4097e8
This has completely blown up in their faces.
The kids chanting "mental health" have a good view of this. They probably see a lot of other signs and consequences that the media doesn't care about. Too bad the focus on gun control prevents a conversation about that.
Anyone supplying inside info saying “ sure, use my name” would have to be a flaming idiot. From a friend at the SO two detectives wearing tactical vests approached a door and believe the guard fired a round at them. There’s a regional lab in Centennial that I wonder if they’re doing forensics. Supposed to be under less of a case load than CBI with a quicker turnaround time. The phrase used is the guard was in “code black”.
Take it for what it’s worth.
STEM students formulating their own opinions instead of being sheeple. Imagine that. Good on those smart kids.
.455_Hunter
05-09-2019, 13:20
STEM students formulating their own opinions instead of being sheeple. Imagine that. Good on those smart kids.
I guess the STEM school is not focused on snowflake studies.
IF the security guard DID end up wounding a innocent, or targeted responding LEO, this should be a rallying cry for better training for all of us that regularly carry firearms, regardless of the reason or role. Because the Left WILL, as we all know, make every attempt to paint all of us as unprepared amateurs that are more of a risk to the public than we are worth.
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If the guard saved 35 kids in that classroom and injured or even hypothetically killed one by accident. I'll take that any day over losing the whole classroom to a nutcase.
That being said, it seems a training opportunity exists and communication can be greatly improved from what I heard on the Doug co freqs when this was in progress.
The students disarmed the shooter. Then a teacher showed up. I'm not sure when security or DCSO showed up after that.
The Denver media can't bring themselves to tell much about this shooting. Here is another source that does not dance around the issues and provides much more info than the local media.
Details on Devon Erickson: https://heavy.com/news/2019/05/devon-erickson-devin/
Details on Maya (Alec) McKinney: https://heavy.com/news/2019/05/alec-maya-mckinney/
.455_Hunter
05-09-2019, 20:18
More good stuff about the Dems and Gun Control people making assess of themselves...
https://www.denverpost.com/2019/05/09/stem-school-shooting-colorado-vigil-protest-gun-violence/
Eriqat and his friends came to the high school from the first vigil at St. Andrew United Methodist Church, an emotional service full of STEM families that left many in tears. Seated in the upper reaches of the gym, some students started to get upset when Crow and Bennet, a presidential candidate, took the microphone, calling for Washington to fix the country’s broken gun laws. But the tipping point for the STEM students came when Laura Reeves, a volunteer with the Moms Demand Action gun safety organization, launched into a speech that brought many of the national gun control issues to the forefront. “Her whole speech was about politics, not about Kendrick,” said a 17-year-old STEM senior, who wanted to remain anonymous because he didn’t want to draw unwanted attention. “She painted this really dystopian life with bullets on every corner — that’s not how it is here in Highlands Ranch.”
kidicarus13
05-10-2019, 12:27
?Devon did not do what he did because he?s a liberal... " said the adult shooter's friend.
https://www.ntd.com/colorado-shooting-suspects-got-guns-from-locked-gun-cabinet-report_328174.html
That's what is known as an attempt at "damage control".
?Devon did not do what he did because he?s a liberal... " said the adult shooter's friend.
https://www.ntd.com/colorado-shooting-suspects-got-guns-from-locked-gun-cabinet-report_328174.html
Spend any amount of time on socials and you'll find no shortage of Libs fanaticizing about what people should live and which ones should die or controlling every aspect of life. Of course they are the arbiters of this. It's sick and scary. I can't say that's the case here but the values seem to align with school shooters who think they have the right to end innocent lives.
This is why I say, they legitimately want a genocide and once feel they can project an effective amount of violence (gun control), there is no holding them back.
Here's one who is entitled to a better future taken from him because of white working class people (?!?). This blame the "outgroup" for my shitty life stuff is common.
https://imgur.com/snL3BqP.jpg
Time to end white people because Ted Cruz...
https://imgur.com/sDyo7LV.jpg
Tells vets that disagree to commit suicide in a thread about vet suicide...
https://imgur.com/OMTCJmU.jpg
Not quite a call to cull the herd but a Feminist who thinks she gets to decide who women can marry and stay married to. No, I'm not making this up. She had a whole thread about forcing women married to conservative men having to divorce their husbands.
https://imgur.com/6zBfrVs.jpg
Best is last. If you didn't buy the lie that Justice :) Kavanaugh was a serial rapist, you deserved a miserable death. After (?) which your corpse will castrated. This is how we know she's never had a penis--Feminists are just so confused.
https://imgur.com/TiqY4UN.jpg
BushMasterBoy
05-10-2019, 14:35
There is a database on these kinds of incidents. School shootings have been happening for well over a 100 years according to wikipedia. Seems California and Texas have had the most school shootings.
https://www.chds.us/ssdb/category/graphs/
This story just seems to get worse and worse for the Dems.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7012485/Father-Colorado-school-shooter-Alec-McKinney-serial-felon-illegal-immigrant.html?ito=facebook_share_fbia-top&fbclid=IwAR2EeEKxMf7GabcHR6yK18LLswXFhAGzYGgzxmd8D 2IY2y97QVFPrjiCkNc
Apparently the dude was a known bully, and not bullied himself? That really doesn't work with the narrative, either.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/suspected-colorado-stem-shooter-was-bully-made-jokes-about-school-n1004181
Zundfolge
05-11-2019, 09:43
Apparently the dude was a known bully, and not bullied himself? That really doesn't work with the narrative, either.
So was Klebold. May not work with the narrative, but it works with the reality.
So was Klebold. May not work with the narrative, but it works with the reality.
Politicians and the national media are dropping this one like a glowing souvenir from Chernobyl.
That might pick up again if the stories about early warnings are true, but even that doesn't fit with the gun control narrative that the community isn't interested in trumpeting. Still gets back to mental health and poor administration.
Apparently the dude was a known bully, and not bullied himself? That really doesn't work with the narrative, either.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/suspected-colorado-stem-shooter-was-bully-made-jokes-about-school-n1004181
The suspected shooter, Devon Erickson, "would whisper, like get really close and kinda put his arm around you, and whisper in your ear, ?don?t come to school tomorrow,'" former student Kevin Cole said.
What a PoS! How does a kid like that have any place in any school?
Yeah, we need more gun control but leave that kid in a position to harm other kids. Top Men level thinking here.
Politicians and the national media are dropping this one like a glowing souvenir from Chernobyl.
That might pick up again if the stories about early warnings are true, but even that doesn't fit with the gun control narrative that the community isn't interested in trumpeting. Still gets back to mental health and poor administration.
[LOL]
They're trying. People aren't falling for it.
This is why I was wondering why some were assuming that the kids were responding to being bullied. Maybe they didn't fit the norm for when we grew up, but the gay and trans community is put on a pedestal for kids growing up today. The liberal bastions known as public schools treat these people like heroes, not oddities.
You've got a disgruntled kid mad at the world paired with a girl that was probably being given testosterone treatments. I can't imagine how that might have fueled aggressive behavior. [Sarcasm2]
This is one of the reasons I didn't always get to choose my friends. My parents understood the impact of a bad/negative influence when I wasn't mature enough to see it.
BPTactical
05-11-2019, 13:24
Might get uncomfy for Spurlock, seems he elected not to renew a SRO contract with the STEM school:
https://www.dcsheriff.net/sro-statement-from-the-douglas-county-sheriffs-office/
Might get uncomfy for Spurlock, seems he elected not to renew a SRO contract with the STEM school:
https://www.dcsheriff.net/sro-statement-from-the-douglas-county-sheriffs-office/
Of course he didn't, he is probably in bed with the teacher's union and they hate the STEM schools and every other school like it.
Might get uncomfy for Spurlock, seems he elected not to renew a SRO contract with the STEM school:
https://www.dcsheriff.net/sro-statement-from-the-douglas-county-sheriffs-office/
In a letter dated 05/14/18, the STEM School requests Sheriff Spurlock to reimburse part of the funds they put forth towards the SRO, for the months he was out sick, see attached.
[snip]
The Sheriff felt that STEM School may not have been utilizing the SRO in alliance with the contract because their primary focus for the SRO every day was outside security and traffic control, not the above noted functions of a deputy sheriff, per the agreement.
Why is this such a clusterfuck? The charter school is a public school. This is our taxpayer funded community LE. Why are these two entities at odds, acting like there is a contract to negotiate?
SRO assignment shouldn't be optional or part time. The SRO should performed his duties per department regs/training not at the whims of an educator. And if an officer can't take his shift, DougCO shouldn't leave the post unmanned for any reason.
It's like they both set this up for failure.
We pour money on public education for all sorts of stupid Libtarded bullshit. Don't tell me there isn't enough funding at $10,000 per pupil. The math on that is $270,000 avg classroom/$5,000,0000 avg school.
Could you imagine anyone in government losing a protective detail because someone is out sick? Or "sorry we can only fund this half the day." It's stupid.
hurley842002
05-11-2019, 18:07
Why is this such a clusterfuck? The charter school is a public school. This is our taxpayer funded community LE. Why are these two entities at odds, acting like there is a contract to negotiate?
SRO assignment shouldn't be optional or part time. The SRO should performed his duties per department regs/training not at the whims of an educator. And if an officer can't take his shift, DougCO shouldn't leave the post unmanned for any reason.
It's like they both set this up for failure.
We pour money on public education for all sorts of stupid Libtarded bullshit. Don't tell me there isn't enough funding at $10,000 per pupil. The math on that is $270,000 avg classroom/$5,000,0000 avg school.
Could you imagine anyone in government losing a protective detail because someone is out sick? Or "sorry we can only fund this half the day." It's stupid.Well said!!
Tangential story...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7041143/Biology-teacher-caught-camera-planting-bullet-high-school-staircase.html
Biology teacher is caught on camera planting live ammunition on campus staircase 'to spark lockdown and prove school needs to get metal detectors'
BPTactical
05-17-2019, 11:00
A very interesting thread in "That other forum" about what happened when an individual asked for a FOIA/CORA request as far as any communications between the STEM school and the Brady Center, Moms Demand Action etc.
Worth taking a look at, title is: "CTA: Colorado: STEM Highlands Ranch purposely stonewalling FOIA/CORA request"
I think it's interesting that the article didn't say that there is no relation between the superintendent and the biology teacher since they have the same last name. Perhaps they are related, but if they aren't I bet the super isn't happy about leaving that out.
Tangential story...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7041143/Biology-teacher-caught-camera-planting-bullet-high-school-staircase.html
Biology teacher is caught on camera planting live ammunition on campus staircase 'to spark lockdown and prove school needs to get metal detectors'
So an actual false flag? To "do something!" now?
This is going to ruffle the "conspiracy" feathers.
https://denver.cbslocal.com/2019/05/15/kendrick-castillo-jeep-procession/
Can't do text on the phone.
STEM School court document outlines targeting of students, cocaine use before shooting (https://kdvr.com/2019/06/20/stem-school-court-document-outlines-targeting-of-students-cocaine-use-before-shooting/)
HIGHLANDS RANCH, Colo. -- Court documents released Thursday reveal new information about last month's deadly shooting at STEM School Highlands Ranch.
The suspects, 18-year-old Devon Erickson and 16-year-old Alec McKinney, are alleged to have opened fire with handguns inside the school, killing one classmate and wounding eight others on May 7.
The younger suspect's name is redacted throughout nearly the entire document, but one of the statements refers to Alec by name.
Erickson claimed throughout the document that he was threatened by a person whose name was redacted.
Read: Probable cause affidavit (Note: the document contains specific details from the shooting)
The two suspects had been planning the school shooting for weeks, based on separate interviews with detectives.
They talked on Snapchat the night before the shooting about carrying out the plan at school the following day.
The younger suspect said he was “super suicidal," that he wanted to get revenge on a lot of people, and contemplated killing his mother and siblings, according to the statement given by the older suspect.
According to the document, the younger suspect "targeted fellow students" who he said always made fun of him, "hated him" and said he was disgusting for trying to transition to a male, as he was born female.
The document states the younger suspect told detectives his intention was to shoot and kill those kids specifically.
After going to his home on the day of the shooting, the older suspect said the younger suspect threatened him with an ax and told him to break into his mom's safe.
They broke open the safe by striking it with an ax and prying it the rest of the way open with a crowbar, according to the older suspect's testimony in the affidavit.
The suspects painted “the voices win” with nail polish in the closet and spray-painted the older suspect's mom’s car and set the car on fire.
They then consumed cocaine, which the older suspect said he only did because he was again threatened.
The older suspect put two of the guns – a 22-caliber rifle and a Glock 21 – in a guitar case, and the other person took two others – a Beretta and a revolver.
The older suspect also said he wanted to warn people at the school, but didn’t largely because the younger suspect was nearby.
According to the criminal complaint, Erickson has been charged with two counts of murder in the first degree, one count of conspiracy to commit murder in the first degree, 31 counts of attempt to commit murder in the first degree, one count of second-degree arson, one county of permitting a juvenile to possess a handgun, one count of third-degree burglary, one count of conspiracy to commit second-degree arson, one count of theft, one count of possession of a weapon on school grounds, one count of criminal mischief, one count of conspiracy to commit criminal mischief, one count of conspiracy to commit theft, one count of conspiracy to commit third-degree burglary, one count of interference with staff, faculty or students of educational institutions, one count of reckless endangerment and two counts of crime of violence.
The documents released Thursday also state that a security guard at the school shot and wounded a female while responding to the shooting.
Police: Suspects in Denver STEM shooting were high on coke, carried guns in guitar case
https://news.yahoo.com/police-suspects-denver-stem-shooting-002909104.html
Investigators say suspects Devon Erickson, 18, and Alec McKinney, 16, used cocaine at Erickson?s house before hacking into his parents? gun safe with an ax and crowbar.
McKinney, who was born female but identifies as male, said he wanted to hurt his classmates because they taunted him over his gender identity.
ETA: BEAT!
so a beta male and a coked out, mentally ill little girl. sounds like a winning combo.
so a beta male and a coked out, mentally ill little girl. sounds like a winning combo.
This is why we should ban guns.
We can't have guns and be safe in a society of people like this.
/sarc
Also consistent is how quickly the Demanding Moms and Dems tried to organize on this before any of these facts are known. To a reasonable person, mentally ill teens on a coke binge is a problem in itself.
Cocaine is illegal, but people use it anyway, so just legalize it. The answer is obvious.
Who knew that giving someone testosterone that was mentally, emotionally, and developmentally confused might be a bad idea?
Sad that people even publish or give any credit to their "story" at all.
Two shooter events have unique psychological traits that usually involve a very dominant leader, who manipulates someone else into the ride.
If you believe that Devon Erickson had any intention of "helping" I've got a bridge to sell you. The fact that he is now trying to sell his co-conspirator under the bus and cast himself as the "hero" tells you just about everything you need to know about their dynamic and is typical of hardcore sociopath.
With that in mind, who do you think is the dominant manipulator, and who is the manipulated? Which version is more reliable?
I'm ignoring all the associated politicized garbage associated with this post.
'Twas pretty obvious that DE was trying to offload as much of this onto AM as possible. Good luck with that.
'Twas pretty obvious that DE was trying to offload as much of this onto AM as possible. Good luck with that.
Yeah, that seems like defense attorney posturing. I completely ignore that stuff. If one party knew the other was going to shoot up a school and did nothing, I'm pretty sure that meets accessory to murder (but I'm no lawyer). The fact that the other party went, makes them an accomplice even if they didn't pull the trigger.
I'd bet both are getting charged with murder 1. The best they can hope for is an insanity defense which will be fun to watch as Lib heads explode.
.455_Hunter
08-27-2019, 16:58
Interesting- He did what he needed to do.
School: Private security guard suspected in 'friendly fire' incident wasn't supposed to be armed
DOUGLAS COUNTY, Colo. ? A private security guard suspected of firing at a sheriff?s officer and wounding a student during an attack at a Highlands Ranch school wasn?t supposed to be armed, according to e-mails and other documents provided Tuesday to 9Wants to Know.
Consequently, school administrators were not aware the guard had a gun, according to a statement provided to 9Wants to Know by a spokesman for STEM School Highlands Ranch, scene of a deadly attack last May 7 that was carried out by two teenagers.
https://www.9news.com/article/news/investigations/school-private-security-guard-suspected-in-friendly-fire-incident-wasnt-supposed-to-be-armed/73-454e6c33-0c9c-487f-87fb-a10f0099359c
Bailey Guns
08-27-2019, 18:43
Interesting- He did what he needed to do.
I doubt that's going to help him out much in court.
I guess he could have done what all the other "hero" admin staff and teachers did... nothing
He acted in a capacity that differed from his contracted employment. I have yet to hear of the details of his heroic action. If he had shot an officer due to his negligence, I doubt anything else he might have done would count.
Bailey Guns
08-27-2019, 19:24
I heard he took one of the suspects into custody. Beyond that, he fired at what turned out to be a deputy, missed, and wounded an innocent student. Not sure how that falls into the category of "doing what he needed to do".
.455_Hunter
08-27-2019, 21:03
I heard he took one of the suspects into custody. Beyond that, he fired at what turned out to be a deputy, missed, and wounded an innocent student. Not sure how that falls into the category of "doing what he needed to do".
Good grief- The first part of that statement was a pretty damm important task.
The second part was unfortunate, but not surprising given the situation. I guess the preference here would have been for the shooting to continue unabated while the "unarmed" security guard cowered with the other students. I guess too, that no LEO should ever respond to an active shooter because of the chance of friendly fire- I will take a Deputy getting shot at and a student wounded to prevent a massacre zone from expanding.
.455_Hunter
08-27-2019, 21:04
I guess he could have done what all the other "hero" admin staff and teachers did... nothing
Exactly.
The guard didn't exchange fire with any of the shooters (just the DCSO). After McKinney was confronted by students and left the classroom (and admittedly didn't know how to operate the gun's safety) , was apprehended by the guard. There seems to be no information that the guard's gun played any role in that apprehension.
.455_Hunter
08-27-2019, 21:51
The guard didn't exchange fire with any of the shooters (just the DCSO). After McKinney was confronted by students and left the classroom (and admittedly didn't know how to operate the gun's safety) , was apprehended by the guard. There seems to be no information that the guard's gun played any role in that apprehension.
Yes- That would be good to know. Possession of the gun by the guard may have given him the fortitude to directly confront the perp. Maybe it caused the perp the surrender? Hopefully it will all come out.
Bailey Guns
08-28-2019, 07:25
Good grief- The first part of that statement was a pretty damm important task.
The second part was unfortunate, but not surprising given the situation. I guess the preference here would have been for the shooting to continue unabated while the "unarmed" security guard cowered with the other students. I guess too, that no LEO should ever respond to an active shooter because of the chance of friendly fire- I will take a Deputy getting shot at and a student wounded to prevent a massacre zone from expanding.
Yeah...because being sure of your target really isn't that important.
The day after the shooting, 9Wants to Know reported that investigators were looking into a possible incidence of ?friendly fire? that apparently began when the security guard saw the muzzle of a gun coming around a corner and shot back. (my bold)
How do you, with any semblance of reasonableness, get to
no LEO should ever respond to an active shooter because of the chance of friendly fire because I questioned the security guard's actions? That's absurd.
Not only that but the guard may have violated the law by having a gun on school property. He violated the terms of the contract as far as we know. And now we have a "good guy with a gun", that wasn't supposed to have a gun, shooting at a cop and wounding a student. So much for advancing the argument of guns in schools by anyone other than a cop. I'm not discounting what the guy did in terms of handcuffing the suspect. But FFS...another way to look at it is the guard was responsible for wounding 11% of the casualties during the incident. I'm not sure how you spin that into a good thing but, hey...knock yourself out.
glocktoberfest
08-28-2019, 08:32
sometimes when i'm zoning out at the movie theater before the show begins, i imagine how i'd react if somebody opened fire and the chaos that would ensue. getting a single good shot off would be near impossible as i imagine it. Hitting the shooter wouldn't be impossible, but not shooting bystanders would be.
.455_Hunter
08-28-2019, 09:03
Yeah...because being sure of your target really isn't that important.
(my bold)
How do you, with any semblance of reasonableness, get to because I questioned the security guard's actions? That's absurd.
Not only that but the guard may have violated the law by having a gun on school property. He violated the terms of the contract as far as we know. And now we have a "good guy with a gun", that wasn't supposed to have a gun, shooting at a cop and wounding a student. So much for advancing the argument of guns in schools by anyone other than a cop. I'm not discounting what the guy did in terms of handcuffing the suspect. But FFS...another way to look at it is the guard was responsible for wounding 11% of the casualties during the incident. I'm not sure how you spin that into a good thing but, hey...knock yourself out.
OK- His mistake caused 11 percent of the casualties. Let's say he did NOTHING, and the perp figured out the safety catch on their weapon. Now how many casualties are there? That's the same Catch-22 of because the person stops a mass shooting from occuring that there wasn't a mass shooting.
Would you have the same derogatory opinion if the shot(s?) at the Deputy and the wounded student were fired by another responding LEO, or would that be just be an unintentional "fog of war" result of a high stress situation?
Would any of this help the guard when if/when the DA decides to throw the book at him? Probably not, but the prosecution sure wouldn't want me on the jury.
sometimes when i'm zoning out at the movie theater before the show begins, i imagine how i'd react if somebody opened fire and the chaos that would ensue. getting a single good shot off would be near impossible as i imagine it. Hitting the shooter wouldn't be impossible, but not shooting bystanders would be.
And that's the trade-off. Do you shoot into the crowd and become part of the problem, or do you find a position that limits the risk of wounding innocents, or do you just GTFO.
It's good to figure out where the exits and entrances are before the show begins. You already know where a threat may come from and where you might need to go before there's a problem.
glocktoberfest
08-28-2019, 09:24
i'd run away with my family. if i'm trapped, i duck. when he's in front of me and pointed at my family, i'd defend. apparently this is cowardly based on my previous ccw instructor. i'm supposed to intervene. i wonder what most would do. based on previous classes, my peers are eager to use their firearms.
And that's the trade-off. Do you shoot into the crowd and become part of the problem, or do you find a position that limits the risk of wounding innocents, or do you just GTFO.
It's good to figure out where the exits and entrances are before the show begins. You already know where a threat may come from and where you might need to go before there's a problem.
i'd run away with my family. if i'm trapped, i duck. when he's in front of me and pointed at my family, i'd defend. apparently this is cowardly based on my previous ccw instructor. i'm supposed to intervene. i wonder what most would do. based on previous classes, my peers are eager to use their firearms.
I lean toward your values. I am not a LEO. I don't have hero syndrome. Protect yourself and your family.
I grew up in the security business (dad's career) and have worked both armed and unarmed. For unarmed private security, observe and report.
hurley842002
08-28-2019, 10:13
i'd run away with my family. if i'm trapped, i duck. when he's in front of me and pointed at my family, i'd defend. apparently this is cowardly based on my previous ccw instructor. i'm supposed to intervene. i wonder what most would do. based on previous classes, my peers are eager to use their firearms.
If I'm going to a movie theater, it's because I'm taking my kids to see something, if someone starts shooting up the place, we GTFO if possible, if not, we bed down until I absolutely have to defend my kid's. I would love to play hero, but unfortunately that would likely increase the risk to my kid's. Call me selfish, but if other's can't be bothered to value their lives enough to implement a plan to defend themselves, why should I put my children's lives in jeopardy for them?
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BPTactical
08-28-2019, 10:24
Hang the sheepdog
Bailey Guns
08-28-2019, 13:12
I don't even know what to say to someone who thinks that it's OK for another to shoot at a cop because he saw the muzzle of a gun, miss, and wound an innocent person. On top of that the person who shot wasn't even supposed to have a gun. I feel like I'm in an alternate universe.
I suppose the security company should tell the parents of the wounded girl to just suck it up and take one for the team.
Great-Kazoo
08-28-2019, 13:36
I believe in being a good witness. UNLESS BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT i have a good shot at said threat. I'm not taking the fall or lawsuit for dropping a fleeing person.
BESIDES, as mentioned before myself and family come first. Anyone else is on their own.
The difference between a round or 2 fired at a target @ 7 yards has a different POI than one @ 15-20 etc. Between the time i'm on the threat and ready to take the shot who knows who while fleeing, has decided to pop up from their cover and run in front of me.
Of course this was hashed out in the shoot we had (started by CStone) a few years back. While some successfully engaged a target at X yards. There was no one shooting back.
.455_Hunter
08-28-2019, 13:51
I don't even know what to say to someone who thinks that it's OK for another to shoot at a cop because he saw the muzzle of a gun, miss, and wound an innocent person. On top of that the person who shot wasn't even supposed to have a gun. I feel like I'm in an alternate universe.
I suppose the security company should tell the parents of the wounded girl to just suck it up and take one for the team.
I didn't say it was OK, but it unfortunately happened in the course of engaging and stopping an active shooter event where students had already been shot in another location within the building.
You didn't supply your response if it would have been LEO on LEO/3rd party friendly fire versus Security Guard on LEO/3rd party friendly fire. Both events would be bad, but one is not more bad than the other in light of what was occurring. This wasn't just another normal morning at the STEM school when some wacked-out security guard pulled out an unauthorized weapon and just started shooting at make believe bad guys.
You guys are going to lose your shit when an active school shooter is stopped by another student with an "unauthorized" weapon. Unfortunately, it will probably happen sooner than later.
wctriumph
08-28-2019, 14:06
I'm not LE and did not get my CC permit to be one. I go it to defend myself and my family. I will be the best witness I can but will not actively seek to be a "Hero". I will get me and my family to cover to defend or get away from the trouble if at all possible. My family's safety and well being is the most important thing that matters to me. However, if confronted I will not hesitate to defend.
I feel for the guard, at least he tried to do something to stop the carnage.
Bailey Guns
08-28-2019, 14:42
I didn't say it was OK...
Well, yeah, you kinda did...
I will take a Deputy getting shot at and a student wounded to prevent a massacre zone from expanding.
And, no, it's not OK for LE, or anyone else, to wound innocent people. It happens. And sometimes the outcome is worse than other times. Doesn't make it OK. In 15 years as a cop including 13 as a police firearms instructor, it was never, ever, considered OK to wound an innocent person through what would basically be considered negligence...or for any other reason.
And there's nothing to be gained by speculating what might've happened had he not fired. Because he did fire. We have no idea how any other scenario might've played out regardless of how much you want to believe this guy saved lives. We only know one outcome...the one that happened.
some wacked-out security guard pulled out an unauthorized weapon and just started shooting at make believe bad guys.
OMG...that's exactly what happened (minus the "wacked-out" part). He fired his unauthorized gun at the muzzle of another gun. He had no idea what was at the other end of the gun if, in fact, the reporting thus far is accurate. And I'm gonna assume it is because I doubt he'd intentionally shoot if he knew it was a cop holding the gun.
I'm gonna bow out of this while I can still be civil. I respect your opinion but I think it's extremely misguided.
Bailey Guns
08-28-2019, 14:48
In the 12+ years I taught carry classes I ALWAYS emphasized the gun you carry is for your protection and the protection of people you really care about. My teaching partner (current federal LEO) and I always advised against interjecting yourself into a potential lethal force encounter unless absolutely necessary. There's basically only one good outcome...you might prevail and survive. There are an unlimited number of negative outcomes and the law of unintended consequences will always jump up and bite you in the ass when you least expect it.
.455_Hunter
08-28-2019, 15:09
I'm gonna bow out of this while I can still be civil. I respect your opinion but I think it's extremely misguided.
That's fine. Events, like this or the Black shooting in Aurora, can be Monday Morning Quarterbacked to death.
Forums would be pretty boring if everybody agreed about everything. On this board, I get accused of being too Liberal in some threads and too Conservative or Libertarian in others.
You signed my wife's CCW Training Class certificate and I definitely appreciate it.
.455_Hunter
08-28-2019, 15:09
In the 12+ years I taught carry classes I ALWAYS emphasized the gun you carry is for your protection and the protection of people you really care about. My teaching partner (current federal LEO) and I always advised against interjecting yourself into a potential lethal force encounter unless absolutely necessary. There's basically only one good outcome...you might prevail and survive. There are an unlimited number of negative outcomes and the law of unintended consequences will always jump up and bite you in the ass when you least expect it.
Yes- Absolutely true.
Bailey Guns
08-28-2019, 15:14
[Beer]
To good discussion.
battle_sight_zero
08-28-2019, 20:17
Before we cast judgements. I would wait for more facts to come out. Right now the narrative is controlled by the entities involved and for their own interests. Like it or not the facts in this event will take months and years to come forward. In fact we likely will never know all the facts and we will receive versions of the event that suit and compliment each entities involved version. I see lots of deflecting right now. Garuntee the lawyers and event reputation mitigation consultants are advising what to put out. It is a chess game of PR.
BREATHER
08-29-2019, 07:14
When and if I carry(it is no ones business)I do so to protect my wife's life and my own.
Don't know if this has been pointed to yet, but here's a breakdown of how anti-gun adults we're really behind the highly-politicized
"Student-organized STEM vigil".
https://ilwd4cr.home.blog/2019/06/04/how-anti-gunners-activists-organizations-and-politicians-politicized-a-tragedy-the-stem-school-highlands-ranch-colorado-shooting/
O2
Also heard this morning that the older perp's next hearing was pushed back and that the 16 year old will be tried as an adult.
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