Training for Renewal?

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

I thought that you had to show training for a renewal? I seem to remember posts about if you timed it right, you could use your original training?

I was looking at the Denver renewal and it doesn't mention a training cert. The new application does.

Denver still doesn't require an appointment for renewal, right?

[Irving]

Your original training certificate is good for 10 years. I've renewed once without having to do anything different, but have yet to cross the ten year mark.

[whitewalrus]

I don't think you have to get new training if you already have a valid permit

[newracer]

I am over 10 years, no additional training required.

[DenverGP]

It you let your permit lapse too long before renewing you'll be required to provide proof of training.

[Great-Kazoo]

I don't think you have to get new training if you already have a valid permit

See below


It you let your permit lapse too long before renewing you'll be required to provide proof of training.

If you renew prior to expiration date you're GTG. A week overdue and it's new cert time.

[SuperiorDG]

Just renewed after 10 years in Jeffco, no fingerprints or certificate were required. I still have a few months left on my old CHP.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Thanks guys. I actually read the law and the requirements for renewal stop right before the training requirement.

Need to get going on the renewal to make sure I don't have a gap and I can't protect myself from the Magic Mushroom zombies ;)

As I was looking over the requirements, I realized that I when my son turns 21, he'll probably be more psyched about being able to get a CCW and buy a handgun, than being able to drink legally...

[Wulf202]

Actually it depends on the municipality issuing the permit. Arapahoe and Denver will not renew your permit if your training is more than 10 years old because they're dicks.

The law is ambiguous about this and they purposely play in the grey areas.

[O2HeN2]

El Paso county. Original permit 1995. Never had to show proof of current training while renewing.

O2

[izzy]

I just had to start the CCW process from scratch because I let my permit expire by mistake. My cert has a score on it where, at the time, I got 122 out of a possible 140 points. After all these years I kind of want to go back and retake the class just to get a better score. I wonder if they even still have the same test.

[SideShow Bob]

Anyone in Arapahoe.Co. recently renew with a post 10 year training that confirm or refute Wolf202’s statement. There is nothing in Arapahoe.Co. renewal application about this and I will be renewing in a few months with a just post 10 year cert.

[.455_Hunter]

I got my first permit out of Jeffco in 04 with my Army M9 qualification from the 99-02 timeframe as my "training". I just renewed in Boulder County and said I was still good. I have never let it lapse.

[TFOGGER]

Most counties treat your unexpired permit as proof of training, though they're not required to by law. I took an NRA course just in case(because Why Not?), but was not asked for proof recently in Jeffco...

[sroz]

Over 20 years in Douglas county. No renewal here.

[Wulf202]

Anyone in Arapahoe.Co. recently renew with a post 10 year training that confirm or refute Wolf202’s statement. There is nothing in Arapahoe.Co. renewal application about this and I will be renewing in a few months with a just post 10 year cert.

You can always just bring your scores from a local match just in case.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Actually it depends on the municipality issuing the permit. Arapahoe and Denver will not renew your permit if your training is more than 10 years old because they're dicks.

The law is ambiguous about this and they purposely play in the grey areas.

It's not listed as a doc that you have to bring on the Denver website?

[Great-Kazoo]

It's not listed as a doc that you have to bring on the Denver website?

CLEO discretion. Like initial application where the 90 days is maximum for being issued a permit. Some counties drag it out for 90, others issue when they have time.

Weld cty did the same, when the spouse reapplied a month past renewal time, 2 sheriffs ago..

[crays]

Anyone in Arapahoe.Co. recently renew with a post 10 year training that confirm or refute Wolf202?s statement. There is nothing in Arapahoe.Co. renewal application about this and I will be renewing in a few months with a just post 10 year cert.

I just renewed in Arapahoe a couple weeks ago with a 10yr+ cert. Nothing was mentioned at all.

[O2HeN2]

So, I went digging in the CRS to see if there's a way for to refute the "Within 10 year" requirement and unfortunately, I believe I found the opposite.

Key excerpts from CRS 18-12-203:

On original issuance:

(1) Beginning May 17, 2003, except as otherwise provided in this section, a sheriff shall issue a permit to carry a concealed handgun to an applicant who:

(1) (h) Demonstrates competence with a handgun by submitting:

(1) (h) (VI) A training certificate from a handgun training class obtained within the ten years preceding submittal of the application.

On reissue:

(3) (a) The sheriff shall deny, revoke, or refuse to renew a permit if an applicant or a permittee fails to meet one of the criteria listed in subsection (1) of this section...

Note that (3) (a) specifies "shall deny", not "may deny".

Bummer.

My suggestion: If it's been more than 10 years, grab your .22 and find yourself a steel match*. Then bring a copy of the results with you wehen you renew to satisfy (1) (h) with:

(1) (h) (I) Evidence of experience with a firearm through participation in organized shooting competitions or current military service;

O2

*In steel matches, .22s start from the bench, not holstered so anyone and everyone can play. May I recommend Hoser's Wednesday steel matches in Pueblo (https://www.ar-15.co/threads/5994-Pueblo-Weekday-Steel-Challenge-Matches).

[crays]

I'll try to double check the actual date of my cert, but I'm pretty sure it's over 10 yrs. I did renew about 6 weeks early last time, and about 8 weeks early this time (since I was going to be in the area of the sheriff's office during a weekday, which is unusual). I may have just snuck in under the wire, or maybe they are not enforcing (3) (a) above stringently.

I'd hate to give you a bum steer Bob.

[whitewalrus]

So, I went digging in the CRS to see if there's a way for to refute the "Within 10 year" requirement and unfortunately, I believe I found the opposite.

Key excerpts from CRS 18-12-203:

On original issuance:

(1) Beginning May 17, 2003, except as otherwise provided in this section, a sheriff shall issue a permit to carry a concealed handgun to an applicant who:

(1) (h) Demonstrates competence with a handgun by submitting:

(1) (h) (VI) A training certificate from a handgun training class obtained within the ten years preceding submittal of the application.

On reissue:

(3) (a) The sheriff shall deny, revoke, or refuse to renew a permit if an applicant or a permittee fails to meet one of the criteria listed in subsection (1) of this section...

Note that (3) (a) specifies "shall deny", not "may deny".

Bummer.

My suggestion: If it's been more than 10 years, grab your .22 and find yourself a steel match*. Then bring a copy of the results with you wehen you renew to satisfy (1) (h) with:

(1) (h) (I) Evidence of experience with a firearm through participation in organized shooting competitions or current military service;

O2

*In steel matches, .22s start from the bench, not holstered so anyone and everyone can play. May I recommend Hoser's Wednesday steel matches in Pueblo (https://www.ar-15.co/threads/5994-Pueblo-Weekday-Steel-Challenge-Matches).

Renewal is under a different one:

18-12-211. Renewal of permits
(1) (a) Within one hundred twenty days prior to expiration of a permit, the permittee may obtain a renewal form from the sheriff of the county or city and county in which the permittee resides or from the sheriff of the county or city and county in which the permittee maintains a secondary residence or owns or leases real property used by the permittee in a business and renew the permit by submitting to the sheriff a completed renewal form, a notarized affidavit stating that the permittee remains qualified pursuant to the criteria specified in section 18-12-203 (1)(a) to (1)(g), and the required renewal fee not to exceed fifty dollars, as set by the sheriff pursuant to section 18-12-205 (5). The renewal form must meet the requirements specified in section 18-12-205 (1) for an application.
(b) If the sheriff is not the same sheriff who issued the permit to the permittee:
(I) The permittee shall submit to the renewing sheriff, in addition to the materials described in paragraph (a) of this subsection (1), a legible photocopy of the permit; and
(II) The renewing sheriff shall contact the office of the sheriff who issued the permit and confirm that the issuing sheriff has not revoked or suspended the permit.
(c) The sheriff shall verify pursuant to section 18-12-205 (4) that the permittee meets the criteria specified in section 18-12-203 (1)(a) to (1)(g) and is not a danger as described in section 18-12-203 (2) and shall either renew or deny the renewal of the permit in accordance with the provisions of section 18-12-206 (1). If the sheriff denies renewal of a permit, the permittee may seek a second review of the renewal application by the sheriff and may submit additional information for the record. The permittee may also seek judicial review as provided in section 18-12-207.

It appears that you do not need a training certification when renewing. as its section H:

(h) Demonstrates competence with a handgun by submitting:
(I) Evidence of experience with a firearm through participation in organized shooting competitions or current military service;
(II) Evidence that, at the time the application is submitted, the applicant is a certified instructor;
(III) Proof of honorable discharge from a branch of the United States armed forces within the three years preceding submittal of the application;
(IV) Proof of honorable discharge from a branch of the United States armed forces that reflects pistol qualifications obtained within the ten years preceding submittal of the application;
(V) A certificate showing retirement from a Colorado law enforcement agency that reflects pistol qualifications obtained within the ten years preceding submittal of the application; or
(VI) A training certificate from a handgun training class obtained within the ten years preceding submittal of the application. The applicant shall submit the original training certificate or a photocopy thereof that includes the original signature of the class instructor. To the extent permitted by section 18-12-202 (5), in obtaining a training certificate from a handgun training class, the applicant shall have discretion in selecting which handgun training class to complete.

[TFOGGER]

(paraphrasing)


The renewing Sheriff's Office shall make the applicant jump through whatever hoop it so desires, regardless of actual black letter law. If the applicant objects, the renewal may be delayed or denied at the Office's discretion. See also DMV

[glenncal1]

I just renewed in Arapahoe a couple weeks ago with a 10yr+ cert. Nothing was mentioned at all.

Ditto for me, second renewal so my original training was probably more than 10 years ago (not by much). They didn't mention anything. Take an ID and your current CCW and they do everything when you are there (Arapahoe County). You do get a notice that if they find anything after you leave that they can revoke the CCW.

[crays]

Ditto for me, second renewal so my original training was probably more than 10 years ago (not by much). They didn't mention anything. Take an ID and your current CCW and they do everything when you are there (Arapahoe County). You do get a notice that if they find anything after you leave that they can revoke the CCW.

Double checked my cert, as I stated I would. Well past 10yr mark. In and out in about 20 minutes, with new permit, no hassles.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Started filling out the forms and the Denver application has a section on the back about showing the different forms of meeting training. Pretty sure my training is over 10 years. Doesn't give a time limit on the participating in a shooting competition. Got plenty of those in the last ten years...

[Irving]

Started filling out the forms and the Denver application has a section on the back about showing the different forms of meeting training. Pretty sure my training is over 10 years. Doesn't give a time limit on the participating in a shooting competition. Got plenty of those in the last ten years...

Not Denver, but my little brother just got his CCW in Jeffco. He didn't do any training, but just checked the "competition" box. They actually called him and said, "We don't know what this means." He told them, "Well, it's the FIRST option on the web application, so you better figure it out." He turned in his entire IDPA match score history and they gave him his CCW without any additional fuss

[Snowman78]

When I renewed in Adams they required proof of updated training, this was in 2016

[SideShow Bob]

Well, renewed a couple of days ago at the ACSD. And the question of a training cert or its date came up. Good to go for another 5 years.

[XJ]

My most recent renewal was >10yrs since original, no extra paperwork required, and in the envelope was a hand-signed letter from the Sheriff.

[Gman]

From what I recall, there was just an affidavit on the form that you had maintained your competency.