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Bailey Guns
05-30-2020, 13:34
How cool. The rocket just landed on the ship. I'm amazed by that.
Bailey Guns
05-30-2020, 13:35
27001 kph. That's haulin' the mail right there.
Bailey Guns
05-30-2020, 13:38
Some little piece of debris just went zipping by at +12:35 right after separation. Wonder what that was?
Lost video on the recovery ship (Of Course I Still Love You) just before landing but the 1st stage landed successfully. 2nd stage separation went well. The capsule is in orbit and on its way to the ISS. [Awesom]
Some little piece of debris just went zipping by at +12:35 right after separation. Wonder what that was?
Probably an explosive bolt.
Bailey Guns
05-30-2020, 13:45
It was flat and pretty much square. No idea.
Speaking of flat earth and rocket, it reminds me of this guy.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.space.com/amp/mad-mike-fatal-homemade-rocket-launch-flat-earth-theory.html
JohnnyDrama
05-30-2020, 15:07
I sort planned on watching this today. I'm glad things went off as advertised. It's good to think that we are back in the space game. Instead I went fishing with my Dad. We bagged ten crappie and two trout. The travel "advisories" have really put a damper on his activity schedule. But I digress... I just heard the president on the radio. He sounded very optimistic and hopeful. Really hopeful. Eyes toward the future. Ironically, the story about the launch was preceded by a story about riots. No hope there. It is too bad we have the media parasites we have. I don't mean to be a buzzkill. I just thought I'd point out an observation.
GilpinGuy
05-30-2020, 17:00
My 7 yo daughter was amazed by the launch. I remember being just as amazed with the shuttle launches. So cool to see her face all lit up like WOW![Flower]
JohnnyDrama
05-30-2020, 17:39
My 7 yo daughter was amazed by the launch. I remember being just as amazed with the shuttle launches. So cool to see her face all lit up like WOW![Flower]
That is really cool! One of my first memories is my Mom telling me to come see the TV when the astronauts landed on the moon. I remember watching the space shuttle "Enterprise" taking it's maiden flight, launching off the back of a 747. It seemed like everyone was excited about the space program.
I hope there is enough momentum that your daughter (and mine) will get to realize some of the benefit of the space program.
DenverGP
05-31-2020, 01:12
My 7 yo daughter was amazed by the launch. I remember being just as amazed with the shuttle launches. So cool to see her face all lit up like WOW![Flower]
Yup, watched it with my 5 year old and 2 year old grand daughters, and their 7 year old cousin, along with my son and daughter in law. Was quite the show, and hopefully they'll remember the day.
While waiting for the countdown (around 20 min to go), I brought up the video of the SN4 Starship prototype that exploded yesterday. The 2 year old really liked that part. https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1266442087848960000
After launch, pulled up some videos of life aboard the ISS so the kids could see where the capsule was going.
Docking is currently scheduled for 8:29am MT this morning for those who want to watch it live.
Made more sense to post this in the launch note, but since that's locked...
Starlink 7 launch this evening, 1925 our time.
Same booster model that carried the astronauts a couple a days ago...
O2
Ps. Anyone else have a flashback to the Cylon Resurrection ship when they see this (Starlink satellites packed together immediately after deployment)?
https://www.satellitetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Screen-Shot-2020-04-22-at-4.55.53-PM.png
Here is a cool article about a helicopter NASA built to fly on Mars. Even mentions a nuclear powered craft they want to send to Titan!
https://www-nytimes-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/06/23/science/mars-helicopter-nasa.amp.html?amp_js_v=a3&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww .google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2020%2F06 %2F23%2Fscience%2Fmars-helicopter-nasa.html
Here's another good video on it by Veritasium, an excellent youtube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhsZUZmJvaM
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Made more sense to post this in the launch note, but since that's locked...
Starlink 7 launch this evening, 1925 our time.
Same booster model that carried the astronauts a couple a days ago...
O2
Ps. Anyone else have a flashback to the Cylon Resurrection ship when they see this (Starlink satellites packed together immediately after deployment)?
https://www.satellitetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Screen-Shot-2020-04-22-at-4.55.53-PM.png
The video from the starlink deployments are incredible. Something like 60 satellites, all leaving their mount in a well-ordered line.
Here's another good video on it by Veritasium, an excellent youtube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhsZUZmJvaM
O2
The constraints they have to work with to get that thing to function are kind of mind blowing.
JPL does just incredible engineering work.
SpaceX SN7 tank pressure test to failure was performed yesterday.
The result was a little surprising, but I won't add any spoilers.
https://youtu.be/PYBwCotSZ5A
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SpaceX SN7 tank pressure test to failure was performed yesterday.
The result was a little surprising, but I won't add any spoilers.
https://youtu.be/PYBwCotSZ5A
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Was this the same tank they tested a week or so ago that blew a hole through the top and vented that way?
Earlier this week, SpaceX successfully did a test hop with their prototype for Starship.
You will believe that a beer can will fly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJvEEp1i9K0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1HA9LlFNM0
Here's the official video from SpaceX of the launch and landing.
They found a monolith in Utah.
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/23/helicopter-pilot-finds-strange-monolith-in-remote-part-of-utah
asystejs
11-23-2020, 17:03
"Fearing amateur explorers might get stuck in the wilderness while seeking out the monolith, the flight crew have not revealed its exact location."
I wonder how long it will take for someone to find the monolith via ADS-B track logs of N352HP.
They found a monolith in Utah.
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/23/helicopter-pilot-finds-strange-monolith-in-remote-part-of-utah
That's a mirror, they forgot the stripper pole.
.455_Hunter
11-23-2020, 17:27
Moon mission cancelled. All funds redirected to BLM.
Moon mission cancelled. All funds redirected to BLM.
I've been a fan of access to Bureau of Land Management land since I was a little kid, I'm totally OK with this.
kidicarus13
11-23-2020, 17:38
I've been a fan of access to Bureau of Land Management land since I was a little kid, I'm totally OK with this.Ya but... https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201123/7af20781060ca68ac35fdcd8f06e0874.jpg
Moon mission cancelled. All funds redirected to BLM.
The Biden administration plans to redirect space funding to study climate change. Expect to see Artemis cut off at the knees.
BushMasterBoy
11-24-2020, 17:07
I think it is mount for telescope. Shielded from terrestrial light by natural stone.
BladesNBarrels
11-25-2020, 11:05
They found a monolith in Utah.
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/23/helicopter-pilot-finds-strange-monolith-in-remote-part-of-utah
Finally made it to the Denver Post this morning. No additional details.
My go to news source??
[Coffee]
Finally made it to the Denver Post this morning. No additional details.
My go to news source??
[Coffee]
The way the press has been covering this monolith thing nakes me think it's a marketing stunt.
BushMasterBoy
11-28-2020, 22:34
Somebody stole it. This is why we can't have anything nice.
BladesNBarrels
11-29-2020, 10:03
Ah, the commentators announced that it was on government land, so it was a crime.
Damn, time to get it out of there before all of the law enforcement resources are redirected to find the culprit.
I like it - a nice diversion from the grim repetition of economic chaos, political chaos, medical chaos, chaos, chaos, chaos.
https://i.imgur.com/DqO8BRx.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/f6ffiry.jpg
.455_Hunter
11-29-2020, 10:24
Yes- Finding the culprit who "damaged" some public land slick rock in the middle of the boonies is far more important than all of the public and private property destroyed in the past six months.
I can just see it now- Coming soon on The McLaughlin Group: BLM on the BLM...
BushMasterBoy
12-01-2020, 00:46
And now another one is missing!
https://nypost.com/2020/11/30/german-police-probe-mystery-of-missing-giant-phallus-statue/
Apparently the monolith disappeared, leaving behind only the base. After reading into it, it wasn't far off from where they were shooting "westwood" (not something I've seen or care about) but there's credible speculation it's associated with that. Which in that case, it is kind of bullshit imo to permanently install your TV shit into public lands slickrock.
I feel a little differently if it's a few guys trying to do something interesting, but that's not appearing to be the likely case.
This guy says he was there when it was taken down.
https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-news/mystery-of-utahs-disappearing-monolith-explained
One man's avant-garde post-modern art is another man's bullshit litter cluttering up a National Park.
Getting back onto a topic that isn't fake news, the Chinese have successfully landed a probe on the moon with the intenetion of collecting a sample and returning it to Earth.
Also, SpaceX will be doing a test flight of Starship as early as this weekend.
Doesn't NASA have like an entire room full of moon rocks that they haven't even looked at yet?
Doesn't NASA have like an entire room full of moon rocks that they haven't even looked at yet?
Yeah, but do you honestly think that NASA is going to give samples of moon rocks to our only geopolitical near-peer adversary?
Also, the Chinese sample return mission is just one mission that's part of a larger plan to eventually put a Chinese astronaut (Sinonaut?) on the moon.
Doesn't NASA have like an entire room full of moon rocks that they haven't even looked at yet?
Off topic: does it bug you that your descriptor has an incorrectly used apostrophe?
Yeah, but do you honestly think that NASA is going to give samples of moon rocks to our only geopolitical near-peer adversary?
Also, the Chinese sample return mission is just one mission that's part of a larger plan to eventually put a Chinese astronaut (Sinonaut?) on the moon.
I wasn't suggesting that we share, just verifying what I heard was true. If China discovered something we've been sleeping on for decades we'll look dumb.
Off topic: does it bug you that your descriptor has an incorrectly used apostrophe?
Everything about my descriptor bothers me, but it's probably how I come off to most members. There's nothing I can do about it so it doesn't occupy any time/space in my mind until someone brings it up.
This is certainly an extreme way to escape COVID...
And in other news...anyone want to buy in at ground level on the flat Mars society?
:D
Aloha_Shooter
12-05-2020, 00:54
Doesn't NASA have like an entire room full of moon rocks that they haven't even looked at yet?
https://youtu.be/QxZ_iPldGtI
It looks like the PRC is following a classic systems engineering approach by building on successes step-by-step. They put a relay satellite in orbit around the Moon, dropped a rover on the far side in a "first ever" mission that boosted national pride, and are now in the process of demonstrating safe return of samples. These are are critical steps.
One of my favorite demonstrations of mission planning or systems engineering was in "From the Earth to the Moon":
https://youtu.be/4VMD3sSK8x4
That's exactly the video I was thinking of when I posted.
SpaceX flight test and landing of the Super Heavy Lift Starship was aborted today at literally the last second.
They're going to retry tomorrow.
Former Israeli space security chief says extraterrestrials exist, and Trump knows about it
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1250333
Everything about my descriptor bothers me, but it's probably how I come off to most members. There's nothing I can do about it so it doesn't occupy any time/space in my mind until someone brings it up.
I am Jack's sense of mild annoyance.
I'm Jack's ability to not say things out loud that Jack is thinking, and I haven't shown up to work in years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap-BkkrRg-o
Starship test flight was...er...mostly successful today.
Well, they did hit the pad in a reoriented vertical state. Pretty impressive.
ChickNorris
12-09-2020, 19:57
My guess is low header tank pressure resulted in cavitation in the turbo pump which lead to insufficient thrust.
Or simply, a bitty bubble botched it.
Curious what the data is going to say when they release it.
JohnnyDrama
12-09-2020, 20:00
Pretty cool the way it was able to reorient itself. That's a really pretty ship. Too bad it didn't survive the test. Thanks for putting the footage up.
JohnnyDrama
12-09-2020, 20:01
My guess is low header tank pressure resulted in cavitation in the turbo pump which lead to insufficient thrust.
Or simply, a bitty bubble botched it.
Curious what the data is going to say when they release it.
Not the Q39 Space Modulator?
ChickNorris
12-09-2020, 20:07
Not the Q39 Space Modulator?
They discontinued that after the sn4 & replaced it with a turbo encabulator. Its 6% more efficient & 90% the weight. The resulting C* modified the theoretical ISP
GilpinGuy
12-09-2020, 20:46
This was cool to watch. I'm certainly no rocket scientist, but did it look like one of the engines cut out on the way up? And maybe that's why it came down at an angle?[Dunno]
When it exploded I was like "oh shit, that sucks". Then I see the message "Awesome test today" or something like that. I guess that's why it's a test - to learn things and improve.
.455_Hunter
12-09-2020, 21:09
Space X's whole mantra on test failures is completely 180 degrees from the old line companies.
ChickNorris
12-09-2020, 21:09
This was cool to watch. I'm certainly no rocket scientist, but did it look like one of the engines cut out on the way up? And maybe that's why it came down at an angle?[Dunno]
When it exploded I was like "oh shit, that sucks". Then I see the message "Awesome test today" or something like that. I guess that's why it's a test - to learn things and improve.
It purposely came down on its side as a method of aero braking basicly turning itself into an inefficient parachute saving fuel. It seemed odd because that was the first time someone tried to do it on purpose.
Edit: I was mistaken-ish, in the 90's the DC-Xa tried to demonstrate the same maneuver but at a higher altitude & they called it the 'death swoop'
.455_Hunter
12-09-2020, 21:15
It looked like the engine cut-outs were intentional, followed immediately by a realignmemt of the engine group to balance the thrust.
BushMasterBoy
12-09-2020, 22:44
Not enough boost on retrograde, ran out of oxidizer. Miscalculation of fuel/oxidizer capacity resulting in mishap.
GilpinGuy
12-10-2020, 10:03
It purposely came down on its side as a method of aero braking basicly turning itself into an inefficient parachute saving fuel. It seemed odd because that was the first time someone tried to do it on purpose.
Edit: I was mistaken-ish, in the 90's the DC-Xa tried to demonstrate the same maneuver but at a higher altitude & they called it the 'death swoop'
I knew it was supposed to be horizontal for a while, but when it aligned itself to land it was not quite vertical. Running out of oxidizer, etc. makes sense.
DenverGP
12-10-2020, 13:37
Not enough boost on retrograde, ran out of oxidizer. Miscalculation of fuel/oxidizer capacity resulting in mishap.
Elon himself confirmed it was lack of pressure in the header tank, which resulted in extra lean mixture (not enough fuel, so too much oxidizer).... You can actually see green flame in the engines during the landing attempt resulting from the copper cooling lines inside the engine bell housing burning because it went oxygen rich.
Aloha_Shooter
12-10-2020, 13:42
They discontinued that after the sn4 & replaced it with a turbo encabulator. Its 6% more efficient & 90% the weight. The resulting C* modified the theoretical ISP
Damn, now you've got me all hot and bothered ... [Love2][Love2][Love2][Love2]
ChickNorris
12-15-2020, 06:44
Damn, now you've got me all hot and bothered ... [Love2][Love2][Love2][Love2]
; -)
There's also the Retro Encabulator by Rockwell:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w
O2
...resulting from the copper cooling lines inside the engine bell housing burning because it went oxygen rich.
Or as Scott Manley put it, "Engine rich exhaust" at 9:29 in the video below...
https://youtu.be/egHxiX40eJY?t=569
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On edit, 20/12/16: Looks like "Engine rich exhaust" is an established sardonic phrase in rocketry.
Yeah, basically ate up the engine.
RblDiver
12-28-2020, 11:08
So, watching the trailer for the KFConsole, they actually have a pic of that steel monument thing in their ad. Now I have no idea if they were just capitalizing on it, or if they were the culprits.
(Shows up at 0:28)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2xa7vabDkE
BushMasterBoy
12-28-2020, 15:27
Sorry I thought they were using diesel for fuel. I saw orange flames before the impact. Not sure why they are using methane (CH4) for fuel. The Falcon rockets use diesel, this longer chain hydrocarbon provides a higher ISP. ISP is the specific impulse measured in seconds.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_impulse
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electronman1729
12-28-2020, 15:51
There's also the Retro Encabulator by Rockwell:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w
O2
I buy and commission those all the time.
BushMasterBoy
12-28-2020, 16:30
Sigh ants...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turboencabulator
So since we're talking about the Turboencabulator, don't forget the Signetics 25120 WOM (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwgddiiZ5bRNREhKbks4MzEzUlE/edit). This actually appeared in the Signetics data book in the early 80s.
My favorite chart is on page 2, bottom left. For anyone that ever dealt with the 7400 series ICs, it rings so true...
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Came across this article listing all the probes Russia sent to Venus. I had no idea. https://www.space.com/soviet-venera-venus-missions-slideshow
Came across this article listing all the probes Russia sent to Venus. I had no idea. https://www.space.com/soviet-venera-venus-missions-slideshow
You should be just glad that they didn’t send any to Uranus. [ROFL2]
Venus mission sucks due to crazy size atmosphere to transmit data, and temperature and pressure will melt thing that land venus. :(
Came across this article listing all the probes Russia sent to Venus. I had no idea. https://www.space.com/soviet-venera-venus-missions-slideshow
Wow. Had no idea it was that many. Had seen a handful of the images before but just thought it was a couple.
Curious what their later interest was once it was determined it was wholly inhospitable. Benevolent science?
hollohas
09-15-2021, 13:54
You should be just glad that they didn?t send any to Uranus. [ROFL2]Spot on! Uranus jokes never get old.
Don't know if you guys noticed or not, but the SpaceX Inspiration 4 mission was a total success.
Literally the first mission of all non-govvie, citizen astronauts.
buffalobo
09-19-2021, 11:15
Don't know if you guys noticed or not, but the SpaceX Inspiration 4 mission was a total success.
Literally the first mission of all non-govvie, citizen astronauts.https://youtu.be/RAA1xgTTw9w
https://youtu.be/RAA1xgTTw9w
LOL
https://youtu.be/RAA1xgTTw9w
Haha, well played.
DenverGP
09-29-2021, 23:25
Don't remember if I ever showed off my space patch collection:
Mercury patches:
https://i.imgur.com/gxtdlhA.jpg
Apollo:
https://i.imgur.com/a22TzRM.jpg
And some of my space shuttle ones I was trying to work on the arrangement of:
https://i.imgur.com/F5S8cL9.jpg
Still missing a few for my Gemini collection, so haven't framed them yet.
And I've got all the nasa and spacex patches for the spacex crewed flights, still working on framing those as well.
Newest spacex patch:
http://i.imgur.com/0uc3pub.jpg (https://imgur.com/0uc3pub)
HoneyBadger
09-30-2021, 07:11
Don't remember if I ever showed off my space patch collection:
Mercury patches:
https://i.imgur.com/gxtdlhA.jpg
Apollo:
https://i.imgur.com/a22TzRM.jpg
And some of my space shuttle ones I was trying to work on the arrangement of:
https://i.imgur.com/F5S8cL9.jpg
Still missing a few for my Gemini collection, so haven't framed them yet.
And I've got all the nasa and spacex patches for the spacex crewed flights, still working on framing those as well.
Newest spacex patch:
http://i.imgur.com/0uc3pub.jpg (https://imgur.com/0uc3pub)
Very cool collection! I'm Jelly.
HoneyBadger
09-30-2021, 07:19
Sorry I thought they were using diesel for fuel. I saw orange flames before the impact. Not sure why they are using methane (CH4) for fuel. The Falcon rockets use diesel, this longer chain hydrocarbon provides a higher ISP. ISP is the specific impulse measured in seconds.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_impulse
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Catching up on a few things here... Rockets don't use diesel for fuel - The Falcon 9 and most other bipropellant rockets use RP-1 (rocket grade Kerosene) and Liquid Oxygen. The Starship rockets use Methane for the sole purpose of getting to Mars. Mars has a lot of Methane, and Starships sent there can harvest the methane from the atmosphere of the planet in order to fly back to Earth. This means they don't have to carry all the fuel for the return trip, which is a huge limiting factor for interplanetary travel. They can basically refill the gas tanks on Mars.
BushMasterBoy
09-30-2021, 10:31
All about RP1...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RP-1
Modern spacecraft are still using ancient technology. The only way to really explore deep space is photo fission laser propulsion. I am sure this fits in with the "classified annex" of the June UFO/UAP report released by the ODNI this year.
https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Prelimary-Assessment-UAP-20210625.pdf
HoneyBadger
09-30-2021, 10:53
All about RP1...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RP-1
Modern spacecraft are still using ancient technology. The only way to really explore deep space is photo fission laser propulsion. I am sure this fits in with the "classified annex" of the June UFO/UAP report released by the ODNI this year.
https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Prelimary-Assessment-UAP-20210625.pdf
Yikes
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