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.455_Hunter
05-25-2019, 14:16
Overreact much?
And people wonder why their can be a negative connotation about religious based schooling.
https://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/education/2019/05/24/four-colorado-seniors-banned-graduation-after-condom-prank/1229190001/
Do they think their has never been a box of condoms distributed in a high school before?
beast556
05-25-2019, 14:24
Our schools are ran by liberal peices of shit.
This is a charter school, which is not a religious school but a public school. The school's values are on their webpage...
http://hs.libertycommon.org/about_us/virtues
With prudence and temperance being at the top, I can see how the condom thing was probably a bad idea as a senior prank. This is one of those few schools out there that probably want the kids focused on learning and not having sex or mutilating their genitalia.
They said it was a prank but was also meant as a subtle statement promoting safe sex after Liberty Common Schools and Liberty Common High School Headmaster Bob Schaffer protested House Bill 19-1032, the comprehensive human sexuality education bill that is awaiting Gov. Jared Polis' signature after passing the Senate on May 2.
Trying to be activists, ZFG. If it's like the DougCo take-down it will be coordinated with Lib groups and only directed at Conservative leadership.
That bill is a flaming piece of garbage, btw, and it doesn't take religious values to see that. We had a thread on it in politics.
BPTactical
05-25-2019, 15:42
Somebody sure dicked that up.
Bailey Guns
05-25-2019, 17:38
The students wanted to make a statement. So did the principal. The students learned a valuable lesson (or should have)...actions have consequences.
.455_Hunter
05-25-2019, 18:49
Why is the Principal's response appropriate?
Who was injured? What property was damaged?
Sounds more like somebody's scared cows were offended.
The cardinal virtues go back to Aristotle and Plato. They have nothing to do with religion per se, but are some of the philosophical foundations of Western Civilization.
The student(s) failed to adhere to those values, and in a way which impacted students as young as 7th grade (12-13 years old?).
That every single violation of these virtues would be placed in a Code of Conduct book (a la the parents asking what "rule" was broken) is not only a legalistic bit of sophistry, but ridiculous in expecting such a scope of things to be defined. Something need not be defined to impact and intersect with another thing which *is* defined. And while the thing defined might not be the specific thing violated as such, it can be violated in kind.
This same argument is directly on the school page which Skip linked, insofar as its explanation of prudence:
Of the several threats to freedom, bureaucracy ranks high on the list. So why do prosperous organizations, including entire nations, inevitably strangle themselves by the tentacles of freedom-crippling bureaucracy?
Bureaucracy stems from a desire to formalize virtue. When a particular habit or policy fails to deliver order, the impulse of leaders, especially in a democracy, is to impose bigger and more comprehensive rules to make sure the mistake does not happen again.
Over time, reliance on virtuous people yields to a dependency on virtuous rules, regulations, policies, checks, balances and systematic accountability. This is the essence of bureaucracy.
In bureaucratic cultures, practical judgment and personal virtues are deemphasized. Praise and appreciation instead accrue to those who follow the rules and who go by the book.
From there, the law itself comes to define public morality. “If it is legal,” bends the logic of a bureaucratic society, “it must be acceptable.”
Freedom, however, thrives by prudence, a virtue predicated upon practical reason. It entails discernment of the true good surrounding every situation and the moral means of achieving it.
Prudence is antithetic to bureaucracy. It elevates individual responsibility and secures liberty.
St. Thomas Aquinas identified various parts of prudence. He characterized acquired prudence as perfected through the exercise of acts and lessons.
Also, he wrote of gratuitous prudence which is infused and reinforced by virtuous habits, for example, those modeled by good parenting, religion, perhaps schooling.
The Founding Fathers believed every man should share in the governing of America according to the free choice of his reason, and that it is proper for all self-governing citizens to possess the virtue of prudence. Abraham Lincoln spoke persistently about the necessity of prudence.
It is a core American virtue about which Americans scarcely speak anymore. Yet, prudence is the most powerful and complete remedy for the disease of bureaucracy.
Prudence promotes freedom which is why we rely on it, and speak often of it.
ibid
Graduation for high school is stupid anyway.
Sounds more like somebody's scared cows were offended.
That led to a strange mental visual.
Our schools are ran by liberal peices of shit.
This seems like more of a traditional conservative conflict than a liberal one to me.
Rucker61
05-26-2019, 08:27
Our schools are ran by liberal peices of shit.
One of my children attended Liberty Common. Neither it, nor its sister school Ridgeview Classical, are run by liberals. Liberty Common is one of the top performing high schools in the state.
Rucker61
05-26-2019, 08:29
One of my children attended Liberty Common. Neither it, nor its sister school Ridgeview Classical, are run by liberals. Liberty Common is one of the top performing high schools in the state.
"Liberty Common High School’s senior class broke the state SAT record, according to 2018 results released by the Colorado Department of Education.
A total mean score of 1322 earned the Poudre School District charter school the top rank in the state. D’Evelyn High School, a Denver school, set the previous state record in 2017 with a total mean score of 1307."
https://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/2018/08/31/liberty-common-charter-school-breaks-colorado-sat-record/1158128002/
One of my children attended Liberty Common. Neither it, nor its sister school Ridgeview Classical, are run by liberals. Liberty Common is one of the top performing high schools in the state.
Which is probably why they had little tolerance for Libtarded activism and shenanigans.
I thought more about this thread... I've heard people I know who aren't religious say they'd like to have a Conservative secular school option. Here in DougCo we have a couple of charters like this too. So here's that option but if the school actually practices Conservative values, there's a problem?
And if the school allows degeneracy then it's no different from a public school which eliminates the option/school choice.
I'm a big supporter of school choice. I think there should be more secular options that focus on academics instead of SJW BS. I see Libs attacking the charters we have on socials all the time. They feel any funding that goes to these schools takes funding away from their precious failing public indoctrination facilities. Of course, the funding follows the kids/enrollments so that is nonsense but they hate school choice, options, and any values that they can't control.
.455_Hunter
05-26-2019, 10:42
I am sure the school is academically excellent, but why does distributing 25 condoms around the school warrant disbarment from the graduation ceremony? The question of charter vs normal public is really not the issue here.
Bailey Guns
05-26-2019, 11:08
It's exactly the issue. The charter school has rules and standards students are expected to follow and they're enforced, unlike most public schools. It's not a secret they're keeping from anyone. Students failed to uphold standards and/or violated rules or codes of conduct. Maybe I'm simple-minded but it seems pretty clear to me.
Honestly, if it were my kid that was punished like that, I'd be OK with it.
Rucker61
05-26-2019, 11:36
I am sure the school is academically excellent, but why does distributing 25 condoms around the school warrant disbarment from the graduation ceremony? The question of charter vs normal public is really not the issue here.
Yeah, this is nuts.
xiondavis
05-26-2019, 12:42
Am I on the right website? You think that’s a liberal school)? Next you guys will be complaining they don’t have any needle zones.
I read their values and unless it’s poorly run or has some sort of 3rd focus agendaI might have to move north so I can enroll my boy there so I don’t have to quit my job and home school him.
No it’s not nuts. Who cares what it was, condoms or otherwise... maybe it was more about the student embarrassing others than about the actual condoms. If they push integrity and personal responsibility, hold students accountable, and focus on academics with some healthy social / athletics, then that’s becoming an island here.
It is an OxyMoron (punny) to complain about how schools fail to discipline students, and out of the same mouth, complain when a school disciplines someone slightly too much.
Nothing is ever consistent in life, nor is it fair. If we bitch en mass about how something was slightly excessive; then you produce a system where it's safer for the school to take no action at all in every other instance.
The kids didn't "walk" but they still graduated. It has no lasting ramifications nor does it affect their future success. If anything, the slightly unfair situation better prepares them for life, if it wasn't for the attention upon it. Justice isn't fair. The sooner they learn it, the better.
Honestly, I wonder what the net effect would be if schools intentionally metered out unfair punishments more often and with irregularity. Perhaps those kids wouldn't grow up with false expectations of how our government works, or the belief they have a "right" to "feel" their version of "fairness".
TLDR: 1st world problems, who gives a shit.
It's exactly the issue. The charter school has rules and standards students are expected to follow and they're enforced, unlike most public schools. It's not a secret they're keeping from anyone. Students failed to uphold standards and/or violated rules or codes of conduct. Maybe I'm simple-minded but it seems pretty clear to me.
Honestly, if it were my kid that was punished like that, I'd be OK with it.
^^^^ THIS
The standard public schools and the teacher's unions don't want to be held to performance standards. Their strategy seems to be to dumb it all down and make sure the kids get an overdose of social engineering to make sure they follow the party agenda in the future.
I have 2 nieces that went through the classical education at D'Evelyn. Both are closer to Gen X'ers than Millennials, but a chunk of that is probably due to their Gen X parents that raised their kids like they were raised.
How'd you like to be one of those students that had a condom hidden in their gear and found by a parent that holds that kid to high standards? If you want to be stupid, that's on you. If you want to be stupid and it affects others, then you should be held accountable for your actions.
Great-Kazoo
05-26-2019, 15:03
For those not familiar with Bob Schaffer . As my state rep years ago Bob was one of the few who actually responded to any calls or letters sent to his office. His stance on the 2nd was unquestionable, as well as his interest in public schools not veering from the academic outline.
Bob was also one of the few, if not the only one who when his term ran out, stepped aside. As he said he would, honoring term limits one of the initial platforms he ran on. Him and Wayne Allard, 2 R's who i truly miss in the political world
.455_Hunter
05-26-2019, 19:26
How'd you like to be one of those students that had a condom hidden in their gear and found by a parent that holds that kid to high standards?
That sounds like Carrie White's family. Don't go to prom!!!
I would be concerned about a family where an unopened condom showing-up unexpectedly could cause catastrophic emotional issues instead of a few basic questions.
I would be concerned about a family where an unopened condom showing-up unexpectedly could cause catastrophic emotional issues instead of a few basic questions.
It could create some 'trust issues'. I doubt anyone would have "catastrophic emotional issues".
Bailey Guns
05-27-2019, 06:51
Some things just don't sell without hyperbole.
.455_Hunter
05-27-2019, 09:12
Some things just don't sell without hyperbole.
You got that right...
While Schaffer declined to discuss any disciplinary actions involving students with the Coloradoan, citing student privacy laws, he said neither prank was sanctioned by the school but added that the condom prank "dramatically disrupted" the last 2 weeks of school.
Schaffer said school administration had to watch surveillance video, hold board meetings and have conferences with the parents of child victims.
and this kicker...
Schaffer said the school doesn't have specific policies banning condoms on campus, but the heinous activities that took place are wholly inconsistent with the purpose of the graduation ceremony.
Sorry- I would use the term "heinous" to describe the Bigelow family road rage shooting, not Sally Prudeville finding a condom package in her locker or binder.
And this gem...
After the prank, the girls said school administrators threatened to prevent any seniors from walking if no one came forward.
I know Bob Schaffer was a great congressman and the school sounds like a excellent institution, but the judgement is this case is lacking, seeming way more vindicative than retrospective.
Ah, so you're one of the ones whose own understanding of freedom vs liberty vs license vs vice has been rolled into one thing erroneously titled "freedom"?
You, sir, are a major part of the problem because you divest yourself of even the reality of the Founding Fathers, and, as it were, the philosophers and philosophy which led to the founding of America, and which Liberty Commons is trying to retain.
Read Locke:
https://www.cooperative-individualism.org/locke-john_of-the-state-of-nature-liberty-versus-licence-1690.htm
Read this essay on the difference between Liberty and License:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/965223/posts
If you reject this, and cannot see how the principles in play are not of profound importance, then you might as well drive to DC and wipe your ass with the Constitution. Why? Because this tendency towards license-aping-liberty is exactly why this nation is utterly doomed.
*wipes up puke from having to reference Locke*
Can you not have any understanding outside of your own position? Can you imagine the implications if a condom was found by a parent in the backpack of a muslim girl's backpack?
These types of pranks often have unintended consequences once the condoms were in the school and out of the hands of the pranksters. There's no telling what the recipients of them might then do with them. You didn't have to deal with that distraction (aka the drama in "dramatic") wrapping up the school year. You weren't there.
.455_Hunter
05-27-2019, 09:46
Ah, so you're one of the ones whose own understanding of freedom vs liberty vs license vs vice has been rolled into one thing erroneously titled "freedom"?
You, sir, are a major part of the problem because you divest yourself of even the reality of the Founding Fathers, and, as it were, the philosophers and philosophy which led to the founding of America, and which Liberty Commons is trying to retain.
Read Locke:
https://www.cooperative-individualism.org/locke-john_of-the-state-of-nature-liberty-versus-licence-1690.htm
Read this essay on the difference between Liberty and License:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/965223/posts
If you reject this, and cannot see how the principles in play are not of profound importance, then you might as well drive to DC and wipe your ass with the Constitution. Why? Because this tendency towards license-aping-liberty is exactly why this nation is utterly doomed.
*wipes up puke from having to reference Locke*
Wow!
I am part of the problem because I don't agree that a box of condoms showing up in a high school rises to the outrage level of "heinous".
Good grief.
.455_Hunter
05-27-2019, 09:50
Can you not have any understanding outside of your own position? Can you imagine the implications if a condom was found by a parent in the backpack of a muslim girl's backpack?
These types of pranks often have unintended consequences once the condoms were in the school and out of the hands of the pranksters. There's no telling what the recipients of them might then do with them. You didn't have to deal with that distraction (aka the drama in "dramatic") wrapping up the school year. You weren't there.
You do realize that condoms can be freely purchased at you local convenience or grocery store and are not some sort of controlled access material coming from the dark web?
How can the parents of these "child victims" sleep at night knowing what evil lurks in the neighborhood Circle K?
.455_Hunter
05-27-2019, 09:58
One wonders what the response would be on here if the situation occurred at a SJW type charter school and the contraband was copies of "Guns and Ammo" slipped into lockers and binders.
7th grade isn't "High School".
You're totally numb to the realities of the situation. We get it.
.455_Hunter
05-27-2019, 10:26
7th grade isn't "High School".
You're totally numb to the realities of the situation. We get it.
Please explain the "heinous" realities of the situation?
I have kids in public school right now (8th and 5th), and am fully aware of the challenges faced to keep kids on a good path. However, that doesn't mean I support blatant overreactions to situations that could be addressed more appropriately, like making the students involved give an apology to the rest of the school and complete some "community" service time.
Bailey Guns
05-27-2019, 10:54
If you reject this, and cannot see how the principles in play are not of profound importance...
I think this is the root of the problem...a sort of macro vs micro view of the issue.
.455_Hunter
05-27-2019, 11:25
I think this is the root of the problem...a sort of macro vs micro view of the issue.
Yes- The downfall of the Republic is linked to the failure of school administration to overreact to a senior prank that ended up offending the sensibilities of some overly sheltered families. Heaven forbid the school found out what most of the boys are doing everyday, probably some at the school too.
Once again, what would your response be if incident was mirrored- A student at SJW diversity and tolerance charter school slipped some copies of "Guns and Ammo" into lockers and binders and was banned from graduation for hate speech.
Copies of 'Guns and Ammo' have nothing to do with human development. Attempting to create a false allegory/straw man doesn't reinforce your argument.
There's a reason that condoms in the grocery store aren't between the candy and breakfast cereal.
Parents should be the ones to broach questions about sexuality from their children, when their children are mature enough to process the information. It's not appropriate for young adults/high school seniors to advance these questions under the guise of 'making a statement'.
If you want to host a private condom party in your home, that's your call. It's not appropriate in this school setting with the wide ranging student ages.
.455_Hunter
05-27-2019, 12:21
Copies of 'Guns and Ammo' have nothing to do with human development. Attempting to create a false allegory/straw man doesn't reinforce your argument.
There's a reason that condoms in the grocery store aren't between the candy and breakfast cereal.
Parents should be the ones to broach questions about sexuality from their children, when their children are mature enough to process the information. It's not appropriate for young adults/high school seniors to advance these questions under the guise of 'protest'.
There are many people in the country who would equate a copy of G&A as far, far worse for a teen to be exposed to than a condom. I am still awaiting an answer on the alternative scenario, because it raises just as many constitutional and freedom issues as real one.
And correct, condoms aren't in the cereal isle, they are in the medical isle, not hidden away as some sort of deviant product.
I have never said that I support what the seniors did for their prank. I agree it was probably poor taste, especially in a school of that apparent climate, but it was not specifically prohibited in the school handbook, and how much "disruption" was caused is directly controlled by the adminstration.
Bailey Guns
05-27-2019, 12:30
Yes- The downfall of the Republic is linked to the failure of school administration to overreact to a senior prank that ended up offending the sensibilities of some overly sheltered families. Heaven forbid the school found out what most of the boys are doing everyday, probably some at the school too.
Once again, what would your response be if incident was mirrored- A student at SJW diversity and tolerance charter school slipped some copies of "Guns and Ammo" into lockers and binders and was banned from graduation for hate speech.
It's a strawman argument, but whatever. My employer has certain rules they expect me to follow. It's up to me to decide if I want to follow them. If I don't, and I don't get caught, it still doesn't make it right. If I don't follow the rules and I do get caught that's on me. If they decide to punish me then I have no business whining about it.
Furthermore, who are you to decide how a parent raises their kids or what moral values the head(s) of a family wish their families to uphold? You've gone from attempting to defend your position to attacking the parenting abilities of people you don't know, and basically accusing other students of doing wrong without any evidence to support that, based on nothing more than your opinion is this was blown way outta proportion. I find that far more disturbing than the fact that some parents may have become upset over the prank.
You wanna know what I really think of this incident? I actually agree with you that this was probably a harmless prank gone wrong, likely no harm was meant and I could easily be convinced it was an over-reaction on the part of the principal. Having said that, I also think it's really none of my business how the principal handled it. He did what he thought was best for the school and the students. He's paid to make those decisions. You and I can think it's an over-reaction all we want. He has every right to impose the punishment he sees fit. The "guilty" students could've made the choice not to make a political statement and violate the rules or code of conduct or whatever it is. They chose to make the wrong decision and they're paying the price. Too fuckin bad.
I'd feel the same way about your G&A scenario. If it's a place where students were told that's not an acceptable publication on campus and they did that and got punished, well, so be it. I'd think it was foolish but they had a choice to follow the rules or not follow the rules.
Bailey Guns
05-27-2019, 12:34
...but it was not specifically prohibited in the school handbook...
I can see the student handbook now:
RULE #62,283: Hiding condoms in the property of other students is specifically prohibited.
RULE #62,284: Hiding an IUD in the property of other students is specifically prohibited.
RULE #62,285: Hiding birth control pills in the property of other students is specifically prohibited.
RULE #62,286: Hiding a diaphragm in the property of other students is specifically prohibited.
Please explain the "heinous" realities of the situation?
I have kids in public school right now (8th and 5th), and am fully aware of the challenges faced to keep kids on a good path. However, that doesn't mean I support blatant overreactions to situations that could be addressed more appropriately, like making the students involved give an apology to the rest of the school and complete some "community" service time.
If you believe "keep kids on a good path" and the casual promotion of promiscuity to minors is mutually exclusive, or an insignificant thing, then that is your personal belief/values.
There are parents who firmly disagree, and for now, have the option of enrolling in schools with different values/rules. One of those options is a charter which absolutely matters here even though you refuse to admit it. The charter is a public school, not a religious school. This school's value are not religious but, if you want the only alternative to public school being religious schools then complaining about a secular charter school with values is a great way to get there.
You've been posting as if this was done to your kids in a public school. These are parents and students who voluntarily made a different choice to comply with the school's values that are fundamentally different from a public school and knew that going in. These students were protesting the very values they agreed to uphold.
Preventing a senior from walking is a common disciplinary action for senior pranks gone wrong. It's the only recourse admin has at that point in the year without going ballistic, which isn't at all what happened here by any stretch of the imagination. These kids can move on with their lives without infamy if they could stop being activists. We all know the school didn't call the media over a "prank!" And this wasn't just a prank.
Copies of 'Guns and Ammo' have nothing to do with human development. Attempting to create a false allegory/straw man doesn't reinforce your argument.
There's a reason that condoms in the grocery store aren't between the candy and breakfast cereal.
Parents should be the ones to broach questions about sexuality from their children, when their children are mature enough to process the information. It's not appropriate for young adults/high school seniors to advance these questions under the guise of 'making a statement'.
If you want to host a private condom party in your home, that's your call. It's not appropriate in this school setting with the wide ranging student ages.
YES! A very moderate position, and one I respect, is that parents should be framing this conversation according to their values. If schools/admins that respect this are unable to keep conflicting values/beliefs out of the school then there are only two options left...
1. Forced degeneracy taught in public schools
2. Forced religious values taught in religious schools
Neither one of those recognize parents have control/input! And gone are the secular "positive values" school options.
Under #1, something like this is normal. Under #2, these students could have been expelled from certain schools.
I'm fine with #2 btw because my beliefs align with the school. We didn't go to a private school to demand the school change to suit our values. Like Bailey said, if my kids did this I'm fine with that punishment. Maybe when the kids get jobs they understand how to stay within the lines when it matters and not be activists.
I also find it telling that 3 of the 4 students accepted the discipline and didn't go to the graduation ceremony, but this individual did any way. And the student and parents made a public stink about it. Someone apparently believes that the rules don't necessarily apply to them.
Sounds like somebody's parents wanted to get all the benefits of the stellar education provided, but couldn't be bothered to hold themselves and their child to the standards that created that environment.
Wow!
I am part of the problem because I don't agree that a box of condoms showing up in a high school rises to the outrage level of "heinous".
Good grief.
Yes.
Society as a whole is now degenerate and people wonder why. Why? Because it has deviated from the norm of understanding the proper application of liberty and has conflated it with license, shifting even to conflating vice with something in which all men have liberty to partake(!?). This is something the Founding Fathers and their philosophical resources warned against in no uncertain terms. Why? Because it is, historically, the demonstrable point at which society begins crumbling and anarchy soon follows. When individual men are no longer virtuous, they cannot form a virtuous society. It's not hard to grasp this. It is hard to come to grips with the reality that such a thing places an onus on the individual man to himself be virtuous. Why? Because they have to then stop doing their degenerate, deviant behavior with the mentality that it "doesn't hurt anyone", "in the privacy of their own home", the compartmentalization inherent in such behavior (and the resulting schizophrenic reality), etc.
In general, the social upheaval at large seems to be 1-2 generations after the initial point at which individuals begin to deviate and accept its normalization. Ergo, the present problem is not the fault of millenials (though they are at fault for their own actions), but the fault of Gen X and Baby Boomers (read: hippy generation). And that actually was the fault of the so-called "Greatest Generation" for allowing their kids to engage in the mentality of the 60's. Imagine how utterly libertine things will be in 20 years. And since that will result in an increase of crime, need for authority to stem the tide, etc., guess what the government's role will be: authoritarian dictatorship the likes of which would make Orwell and Wells roll over in their graves. Ironic, isn't it, that the one thing which could have stopped lawless immorality and authoritarianism is adherence to proper authority and virtue? ...So a kingdom was lost, all for want of a nail.
When a young adult/teen takes to school an object which itself only exists because of a conflating of liberty and license, and then introduces that object into a setting where it has no contextual necessity, and in doing so causes a myriad of potential and actual consequences, disrupts the good moral character the school seeks to impart, etc., consequences must follow in response.
Here's Colonel Mike Mullane's presentation of the normalization of deviance. If you want to know why this country is now a giant liberal cesspit and will die in a self-lit conflagration: simply watch the below and then apply the principles in play to morality, politics, and the satanic concept of "do what thou wilt". This is contra traditional moral, philosophical, political, and consequent boundary-based obstacles to degeneracy.
Part1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ljzj9Msli5o
Part2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWxk5t4hFAg
Parts3-4 in next post.
Part3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wuk_DoX-rz8
Part4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DABsxJtNcYg
.455_Hunter
05-27-2019, 14:25
Well folks, that was fun!
I can only do so much back and forth.
I don't think we are going to come to an agreement on the nature these "heinous" events, but that's OK.
At least we are free to discuss them.
Have a respectful and contemplative Memorial Day!
@CavSct1983,
I see parallels to having a front-row seat to the second fall of Rome.
[snip]
In general, the social upheaval at large seems to be 1-2 generations after the initial point at which individuals begin to deviate and accept its normalization. Ergo, the present problem is not the fault of millenials (though they are at fault for their own actions), but the fault of Gen X and Baby Boomers (read: hippy generation). And that actually was the fault of the so-called "Greatest Generation" for allowing their kids to engage in the mentality of the 60's. Imagine how utterly libertine things will be in 20 years. And since that will result in an increase of crime, need for authority to stem the tide, etc., guess what the government's role will be: authoritarian dictatorship the likes of which would make Orwell and Wells roll over in their graves. Ironic, isn't it, that the one thing which could have stopped lawless immorality and authoritarianism is adherence to proper authority and virtue? ...So a kingdom was lost, all for want of a nail.
[snip]
Great points/thoughts!
There really was no stopping the bad Boomers though IMHO. That was the whole point of making immorality anti-authority and rebellious (by design). It was self-insulated from any voice of reason just as the descendants of that movement call anyone who disagrees today a "racist!" Xers are a mixed bag. Millennials were programmed to fail.
I think a lot of this is bigger than most folks realize, a test of sorts. And it's not necessarily about tolerance (as I think OP was advocating rather than indorsing the behavior) but people falling for this corruption in their own lives and not being able to recover. I just can't even get my head around the things being pushed on kids and younger people (up to millennials).
My personal values evolution watching this unfold for the last 20 or so years...
https://imgur.com/fehAyrx.jpg
Well folks, that was fun!
I can only do so much back and forth.
I don't think we are going to come to an agreement on the nature these "heinous" events, but that's OK.
At least we are free to discuss them.
Have a respectful and contemplative Memorial Day!
Have no fear. While I believe your mentality is riddled with a share in the fault of society, I am not pure as the driven snow.
My own life until about age 28 was abhorrent. My time in the military was rife with not only vice, but seeking every weekend to outdo myself in the pursuit of what I can only look back on as some sort of death wish. Death of body, death of soul, death of a future. Just... death. Sometimes I wonder if that was a large, though subconscious, part of why I initially joined the military during a time of war.
But it is only in looking back, and seeing the positives of changes which were made, that I can see how such things can be a problem even when they seem insignificant.
So I share, perhaps more than you and many here, in fault. Moving forward, I am completely without excuse and in a much worse position I fear.
Going back to Mike Mullane, take it from someone whose bad decisions and immoral world view and behavior nearly led to a catastrophic failure:
Normalization of deviance, in any sphere but especially the moral, is a recipe for disaster.
The only people who ever seem to use the phrase "wow, just wow" are all drunken crazy cat ladies who work for outfits like Buzzfeed.
The only people who ever seem to use the phrase "wow, just wow" are all drunken crazy cat ladies who work for outfits like Buzzfeed.
Orange Man Ba... err...
What happened next will shock you!
OldFogey
05-28-2019, 11:00
It was a prank. They got caught. They paid the price - actions have consequences. We got away with our dumb prank (We contrived a way to group-moon the school at class change ) - we were fortunate and planned a little better. However, since this was back in 1976, being caught would likely have involved significant pain being inflicted by the majority of our parents. On the moon surfaces, so to speak.
'They're just condoms, what's the big deal?'
Ohio girl, 11, credited with saving her little brother from abduction by man with condoms in pocket (https://www.foxnews.com/us/ohio-girl-saved-brother-abduction)
'They're just condoms, what's the big deal?'
Ohio girl, 11, credited with saving her little brother from abduction by man with condoms in pocket (https://www.foxnews.com/us/ohio-girl-saved-brother-abduction)
Looks like he might fit well on a farm with rabbits. I'm sure the #.357 bus could take him there quickly.
'They're just condoms, what's the big deal?'
Ohio girl, 11, credited with saving her little brother from abduction by man with condoms in pocket (https://www.foxnews.com/us/ohio-girl-saved-brother-abduction)
I went away for the weekend, and came back to this prank thread. Meaning, this entire thread must be a coordinated prank between all of the contributing members so far. Congratulations everyone, you really had me going for a few pages!
EDIT: A prank thread, about a prank. Very meta. Well done everyone.
BushMasterBoy
05-28-2019, 13:24
OMG WTF is the BFD?
Looks like he might fit well on a farm with rabbits. I'm sure the #.357 bus could take him there quickly.
[LOL]
That bus should be solving these kinds of problems and then these kinds of problems would stay solved.
Here's what those activists want and what those of you using the government schools will soon have to deal with...
California's sex ed guidelines are 'shocking' and 'medically risky' for kids, teacher says
https://www.christianpost.com/news/californias-sex-ed-guidelines-shocking-medically-risky-for-kids-teacher-says.html
“It’s shocking,” Rebecca Friedrichs, the founder of For Kids & Country, said in an interview with The Christian Post when describing the condom relay races 10- and 11-year-old girls have been participating in at schools where, in front of boys, they’re taught how to put a condom on a model of an erect adult male penis.
Students as young as 11, she warned, are also being taught to engage in risky sexual acts, such as experimenting with oral and anal sex with their “partner.”
Probably just Christian propaganda though, right? Until you read SB19-1032 and see that it inherently requires the same "education" without any age limits other than stating "age-appropriate."
https://leg.colorado.gov/sites/default/files/documents/2019A/bills/2019a_1032_enr.pdf
Libs think five year olds receiving hormonal treatments for a sex change is age appropriate. What good judgment will be exercised when it comes to "teaching" your kids?
So many fall for the same Lib trick... Camel's nose under the tent. I did too until I saw it enough times to realize. It starts with "health" and "preventing pregnancy" because "the kids are screwing anyway." And ends with teaching 11 year old how to have anal sex.
Exposing children to sexual topics, and especially degeneracy, before puberty (which is why they are doing this) will have an impact on their sexual development. Combine this with the focus on identity politics messaging to kids that they have to be special and it's a disaster.
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