View Full Version : Here we go again. Virginia Beach Shooting
https://www.foxnews.com/us/at-least-11-deaths-and-6-injuries-at-virginia-beach-municipal-complex-police-say-shooter-also-dead-reports
buffalobo
05-31-2019, 17:41
IBTCFMGC
Bailey Guns
05-31-2019, 18:30
What is wrong with people?
Workplace violence?
Do we even have to mention that there will have been 'red flags' before this event?
whitewalrus
05-31-2019, 19:07
IBTCFMGC
took me a bit to figure this one out. They probably were already out there as soon as the news broke.
Just heard on 9News this dude “used a suppressor to quiet the noise”... first time I’ve become aware of one of these mental-defects using one.
Grant H.
05-31-2019, 22:29
Just the next step in confirming that the HPA/similar will never be passed...
Great-Kazoo
06-01-2019, 08:23
This shooting will disappear, from the media, before monday's news cycle.
Zundfolge
06-01-2019, 08:34
This shooting will disappear, from the media, before monday's news cycle.
Yes, because his name is DeWayne ... and thus doesn't fit the profile of an angry white man so its gotta go down the memory hole.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/the-latest-officials-id-gunman-in-virginia-beach-shooting
At least law enforcement is trying to take the wind out of these losers' sails;
Cervera said Friday that he would release the suspect's name after authorities had contacted his family, but would mention the name only once.
He said after that, "he will be forever referred to as the suspect because our focus now is the dignity and respect to the victims in this case and to their families."
Again I see blame being thrown at the NRA for this. Who wants to make a bet on this jackwagon being an NRA member?
eddiememphis
06-01-2019, 09:34
Again I see blame being thrown at the NRA for this. Who wants to make a bet on this jackwagon being an NRA member?
Ilhan Omar first to blame NRA.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ilhan-omar-slammed-nra-virginia-shooting
The radio says all 47 Democrats running for President have issued calls for stronger gun control. I'd look them up and post links but I want to keep my breakfast down.
Look for suppressors to rejoin the evil list list with bump stocks and extended magazines of destruction. Which, were noted in one article I read yesterday- The gunman had a .45 caliber handgun and extended magazines. Haven't seen it since.
eddiememphis
06-01-2019, 09:36
Another thing that bothers me. Why refer to this nut as a gunman? I wish they would call him what he is- a murderer.
Yes I know the answer. Anything "gun" get peoples attention on both sides of the issue.
eddiememphis
06-01-2019, 09:41
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/06/dewayne-craddock-virginia-beach-gunman-city-employee.html
Excerpt from Slate article-
"Officials found people wounded on all three floors of the building as Craddock seemed to move quickly through the building armed with at least a .45-caliber pistol that had a sound suppressor and extended magazines that helped him reload repeatedly during the attack. Police later said they recovered ?additional weapons? at the scene."
And Vox. And CNN. And I quit looking...
Zundfolge
06-01-2019, 10:38
"Officials found people wounded on all three floors of the building as Craddock seemed to move quickly through the building armed with at least a .45-caliber pistol that had a sound suppressor..."
I'm going to bet you it either wasn't a sound suppressor (and was a muzzle brake) or if it was a can it wasn't legally bought.
I'm going to bet you it either wasn't a sound suppressor (and was a muzzle brake) or if it was a can it wasn't legally bought.
You're probably right but facts won't matter, just the narrative that people are willing to believe.
It's interesting how fragile gun rights are in spite of being Constitutionally protected. One person can use abuse an item that is statically insignificant (e.g. bump stocks) in "gun violence" and effectively create restrictions on that item.
Again, the politicians are really empowering these nutters almost begging them to create data points used for bans.
The Constitution? That old thing? Nobody pays attention to that anymore.
Now they've focused on the shooter's "weapons cache".
4 guns. OMG, what do I have if that's a "cache"? Maybe, I have a "weapons collection", when I thought I had a gun collection. Oh, wait, maybe it's a firearms stockpile! Yeah, that's it!
eddiememphis
06-01-2019, 17:38
Now they've focused on the shooter's "weapons cache".
4 guns. OMG, what do I have if that's a "cache"? Maybe, I have a "weapons collection", when I thought I had a gun collection. Oh, wait, maybe it's a firearms stockpile! Yeah, that's it!
Nope. It's an "Unregistered Arsenal". Plus a couple hundred rounds of ammo? "Domestic Terrorist".
Better hope you don't have a .50 BMG. You can shoot down a plane with one of those things!
Rucker61
06-01-2019, 17:56
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/06/dewayne-craddock-virginia-beach-gunman-city-employee.html
Excerpt from Slate article-
"Officials found people wounded on all three floors of the building as Craddock seemed to move quickly through the building armed with at least a .45-caliber pistol that had a sound suppressor and extended magazines that helped him reload repeatedly during the attack. Police later said they recovered ?additional weapons? at the scene."
And Vox. And CNN. And I quit looking...
Evidently there were two .45s used in the shooting, one purchased in 2016, one in 2018. If only we had four year waiting periods this wouldn't have happened.
Bailey Guns
06-01-2019, 19:42
...armed with at least a .45-caliber pistol that had a sound suppressor and extended magazines that helped him reload repeatedly during the attack.
How does a suppressor and extended magazines help one to "reload repeatedly"? How in the fuck do some of these people graduate from "journalism" school?
DeWayne is (was) apparently a black man. That's gonna be hard for the media to reconcile.
OtterbatHellcat
06-01-2019, 20:05
That's gonna be hard for the media to reconcile.
Neato.
Great-Kazoo
06-02-2019, 07:15
How does a suppressor and extended magazines help one to "reload repeatedly"? How in the fuck do some of these people graduate from "journalism" school?
DeWayne is (was) apparently a black man. That's gonna be hard for the media to reconcile.
That's gonna be hard for the media to reconcile.
Neato.
I mentioned that in post #8.
IMO the only reason it's still a semi headline is due to how many people he killed who were of the same "race" as him. Any shooting where opposite skin colors are involved is racist. This very public, high body count / non - gang related Black on Black violence is beyond their grasp.
Similar to the Columbine shooting where the shooters were from well to do upper(ish) white middle class homes.
Did 'silencer' make a difference in Virginia Beach carnage? (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/did-silencer-make-a-difference-in-virginia-beach-carnage/ar-AACfvxo)
The shooter who killed 12 people in a government office building in Virginia Beach used a firearm equipped with a suppressor that muffles the sound of gunfire. It's the nightmare scenario that gun-control advocates have warned about amid efforts in recent years to ease restrictions on the devices, which they say can help shooters escape detection and inflict more carnage.
But gun-rights advocates and most law enforcement experts say DeWayne Craddock's use of a suppressor likely had no bearing on his ability to kill so many people in so little time Friday.
Virginia is among 42 states that allow residents to purchase and possess suppressors, though some cities and towns ? including Virginia Beach ? prohibit them.
Known colloquially as a "silencer," a suppressor was attached to the .45-caliber handgun that police say the shooter used to kill a dozen people on three floors of the building where he worked before police closed in and, after a protracted gunbattle, fatally shot him.
That could at least partially explain why survivors of the attack said they were caught off guard and initially puzzled by what was happening. One described hearing something that sounded like a nail gun.
"This is the concern we were talking about when Republicans were trying to deregulate silencers as 'ear protection,'" said David Chipman, a retired agent with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and now the senior policy adviser with Giffords, a gun-control lobbying group.
"Especially on a handgun, a suppressor will distort the sound in such a way that it would not immediately be recognizable as gunfire to people who sort of know what that sound is."
Others say the shooter's use of a silencer was less of a factor in enabling him to carry out the rampage than was his familiarity with the building and even possibly his military background, both of which may have given him a tactical advantage.
"A suppressor does not alter the lethality of the weapon at all. All it does is just limit the noise it makes," said Gregory Shaffer, a retired FBI agent who was a member of the bureau's elite Hostage Response Team. "It doesn't increase the rate of fire. It doesn't do anything other than make it more comfortable to shoot because it's not so loud."
It's not immediately clear how long Friday's attack lasted, or how much time passed before the first police officers arrived. The police department is in the same complex as the building where the shooting took place.
It also wasn't yet known how Craddock got the suppressor he used on his handgun, though authorities have said he legally purchased multiple firearms recently.
Authorities have three days to conduct a background check when someone is buying a firearm. But suppressors are regulated by the National Firearms Act, which also governs the sale of machine guns, and the extensive background check can take upward of eight months or more before the sale can go through.
Despite the barriers, suppressors have gained in popularity. In 2008, when West Valley City, Utah-based SilencerCo was formed, about 18,000 of the devices were being sold each year. The company, which controls an estimated 70 percent of the market, sells roughly that many each month.
Nicknamed "cans," the devices were invented in the early 1900s by MIT-educated Hiram Percy Maxim, who also invented a muffler for gasoline engines. They were brought under NFA regulations after Depression-era game wardens expressed concern that hunters would use them to poach.
A suppressor does not eliminate the sound a gun makes but generally diminishes it by 20 to 35 decibels, leaving most guns still louder than your average ambulance siren.
"Clearly this was an individual who did understand and have experience with firearms and had given potentially some forethought into the advantage that using a suppressor would offer him, particularly the suppressor coupled with the caliber of weapon he was using," said Thor Eells, executive director of the National Tactical Officers Association and a retired law enforcement officer with the Colorado Springs Police Department, where he oversaw a SWAT division.
Some have questioned how secure the building was where police say the shooter and all but one of his victims worked. A government facility, the building is open to the public, but security passes are required to enter inner offices, conference rooms and other work areas, officials said.
As a current employee, the shooter would have had such a pass and would have known the floor plan, areas that were "easy to control," where the best places to hide were and how to move quickly from one area to another, Eells said.
While responding police might have had some familiarity with the building, it's very possible the shooter knew it a lot better after working there for years.
His protracted gunfight with law enforcement officers would indicate that he "was in a place that was difficult for officers to access or engage," Eells said.
"Whether that was happenstance or intentional, it's too early to tell."
You're probably right but facts won't matter, just the narrative that people are willing to believe.
It's interesting how fragile gun rights are in spite of being Constitutionally protected. One person can use abuse an item that is statically insignificant (e.g. bump stocks) in "gun violence" and effectively create restrictions on that item.
Again, the politicians are really empowering these nutters almost begging them to create data points used for bans.
One thing that's notable regarding Las Vegas: The FBI refused to allow the ATF to actually examine whether or not the rifles used had been converted to full auto.
https://www.ammoland.com/2018/08/las-vegas-bump-stock-foia-response-claims-atf-was-not-allowed-to-examine-weapons/
One thing that's notable regarding Las Vegas: The FBI refused to allow the ATF to actually examine whether or not the rifles used had been converted to full auto.
https://www.ammoland.com/2018/08/las-vegas-bump-stock-foia-response-claims-atf-was-not-allowed-to-examine-weapons/
Rumor I've read elsewhere is that the FBI has also provided conflicting reports on if the bump stocks were actually used. Someone did a FOIA request on the number of crimes committed with bump stocks. Answer was 0.
But we're not allowed to ask these questions, just accept the outcome that our rights must be taken.
Meanwhile, in Chicago...
I don't think this one has legs. Other posters nailed it. So I guess suppressors are safe for now.
Zundfolge
06-02-2019, 15:58
How does a suppressor and extended magazines help one to "reload repeatedly"?
Isn't the point of extended magazines so you don't have to reload repeatedly?
Also if he had a suppressor that was illegal than he's a felon that didn't obey current gun control laws ... if he had a suppressor that was legal than he passed a significant background check (much more significant than a regular gun purchase one) and yet more BGCs are apparently the solution?
eddiememphis
06-02-2019, 16:57
Any word on the brand of guns? All I have read is .45 caliber.
wctriumph
06-02-2019, 17:08
Right now on FOX cable news Kristen Gillibrand is on with Chris Wallace and the very first question from the town hall was a totally canned question and she is tearing into the NRA big time.
Fuck this stupid POS.
Zundfolge
06-02-2019, 18:26
Any word on the brand of guns? All I have read is .45 caliber.
Frankly I won't be satisfied with the reporting until I get to see actual photos of the guns used. "suppressor", "extended magazine" ... We're all assuming a G21 with 26rd mags, but hell, it could be a 1911 with a muzzle brake and 10rd extended mag for all we know.
Scanker19
06-02-2019, 18:45
My money is on a “solvent trap” and oil filter.
Virginia Beach Gunman Said He Was Quitting, Then Went on a Shooting Rampage (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/virginia-beach-gunman-said-he-was-quitting-then-went-on-a-shooting-rampage/ar-AAChDEj)
VIRGINIA BEACH — The resignation email arrived in the morning, and the gunfire started in the afternoon.
DeWayne Craddock, an engineer who had worked for the City of Virginia Beach for about 15 years, notified his superiors on Friday that he intended to quit.
Then at around 4 p.m., he embarked on a rampage in Building No. 2 of the Virginia Beach Municipal Center, turning its offices and corridors into a battleground. When it was over, 12 people lay dead and Mr. Craddock was fatally wounded.
As the authorities on Sunday shared a more detailed accounting of the siege, they also acknowledged for the first time that the gunman’s employment had been nearing its end. But they said he had not been forced to resign.
James A. Cervera, the police chief in Virginia Beach, said investigators were focused on establishing what Mr. Craddock’s motives were and whether his job status “had anything to do with the horrific acts and events that he perpetrated.”
By 4:18 p.m., the chief said, the officers had located Mr. Craddock, a 40-year-old former soldier who was armed with two handguns and plenty of ammunition.
Great-Kazoo
06-02-2019, 20:39
My money is on a “solvent trap” and oil filter.
empty 1/2 L or Liter pop bottle. As mentioned, until there's pics of the "suppressor" Everything's an AK-47
SuperiorDG
06-03-2019, 05:57
I grew up in VB. My sister posted this up on FB. https://www.blackwatercustomapparel.com/vbstrong.html?fbclid=IwAR3zvDnP2Nicpk9zyZUa700x7Bi wcuAClTkOWBOwCtnHiL60tjtxfMzMoGI I don't how I feel about this but it is a strange feeling.
"This is the concern we were talking about when Republicans were trying to deregulate silencers as 'ear protection,'" said David Chipman, a retired agent with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and now the senior policy adviser with Giffords, a gun-control lobbying group.
"Especially on a handgun, a suppressor will distort the sound in such a way that it would not immediately be recognizable as gunfire to people who sort of know what that sound is."
Chipman repeatedly shows up whenever there's a shooting or a gun law being debated in a legislature. He's one of Bloomberg's minions.
Chipman repeatedly shows up whenever there's a shooting or a gun law being debated in a legislature. He's one of Bloomberg's minions.
Convenient how they get a data point out of this and an opportunity to change the language ("silencers").
It do get the noggin joggin'.
Paddock now Craddock
Hrm.
Will they play up the PTSD angle?
OtterbatHellcat
06-03-2019, 10:34
Paddock now Craddock
Hrm.
Interestingly ironic because it is. Still retarded though.
Convenient how they get a data point out of this and an opportunity to change the language ("silencers").
Timely...
https://americanmilitarynews.com/2019/06/supreme-court-to-rule-on-us-army-vets-unconstitutional-gun-suppressor-this-week-after-national-controversy/
Rucker61
06-04-2019, 06:56
Timely...
https://americanmilitarynews.com/2019/06/supreme-court-to-rule-on-us-army-vets-unconstitutional-gun-suppressor-this-week-after-national-controversy/
From the link: In the petition, Kettler’s legal team explained that the 10th Circuit found that silencers are considered accessories and therefore not granted Second Amendment protection.
“Under that sweeping logic, Congress could ban all ammunition without violating the Second Amendment. That cannot be correct,” the team argued. “The panel’s sole rationale for holding that silencers were not protected was that silencers were not ‘bearable arms,’ a rationale that would apply equally to ammunition. That improper analysis warrants reversal.”
Interesting position by the 10th in that the ATF considers silencers to be NFA Firearms under law.
Would be pretty awesome if the NFA were to be hoist on its own petard.
In the same vein, then how is a bump stock (an accessory) also regulated?
From the link: In the petition, Kettler’s legal team explained that the 10th Circuit found that silencers are considered accessories and therefore not granted Second Amendment protection.
“Under that sweeping logic, Congress could ban all ammunition without violating the Second Amendment. That cannot be correct,” the team argued. “The panel’s sole rationale for holding that silencers were not protected was that silencers were not ‘bearable arms,’ a rationale that would apply equally to ammunition. That improper analysis warrants reversal.”
Interesting position by the 10th in that the ATF considers silencers to be NFA Firearms under law.
The thing that is fundamentally different, and I'd like to see a ruling on, is if the absence of a part fundamentally changes the firearm or its capabilities.
Under a test like that, ammo bans wouldn't work. No ammo = no firearms. Standard cap magazines in ARs are another good example. If we can't have standard cap magazines then the capability is altered which throws 2A out of a balance.
But suppressors? Lots of wiggle room in an interpretation and a metric shit-ton of ignorance. And there's that slippery slope.
"Assault Weapon Bans" target cosmetic features that could be considered accessories too; bayonet lugs, collapsible stocks, etc... Is a semi-auto trigger a bearable arm? How about a barrel? BCG? Scope on a bolt gun?
Seems like a lot of dancing around the fundamental question on if we have a right to own firearms or not.
I saw this posted elsewhere and thought the timing was interesting. We almost never see NFA items used (legally acquired or not) in "mass shootings" or any other crimes.
Here we go again:
https://www.npr.org/2019/06/04/729413913/do-extended-magazines-facilitate-mass-shootings
The man who killed 12 people in a municipal building on Friday in Virginia Beach, Va., fired many rounds — "well into the double digits" — and when officers caught up with the suspect, it took a "long gun battle" to stop him, according to Police Chief James Cervera.
One reason may have been the suspect's gear.
Authorities recovered a .45-caliber handgun with multiple extended magazines that were emptied, Cervera said at a weekend news conference. "The suspect was reloading extended magazines in that handgun, firing at victims throughout the building and at our officers."
An extended magazine is essentially a metal sleeve that holds more bullets than a gun's normal capacity.
"It allows someone to shoot more rounds before they're forced to reload the gun," says former ATF special agent David Chipman, who's now a senior policy adviser for the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence.
The center is named for former congresswoman Gabby Giffords, who was nearly killed in 2011 by a gunman using a pistol equipped with a 33-round magazine.
Chipman believes extended magazines increase the deadliness of inexperienced shooters, especially those who haven't practiced reloading under fire.
"We did not carry [extended magazines] on the SWAT team," Chipman says. "But they do transform someone determined to kill into being much more efficient at doing that."
They do transform someone determined to kill into being much more efficient at doing that.
David Chipman
Extended magazines have been used at some of the worst shootings in recent American history, including Sandy Hook. A 2013 investigation by Mother Jones looked at 62 mass shootings, and found high-capacity magazines were used in at least half.
But other firearms experts aren't convinced the magazines are that important. "The type of magazine means nothing to the potential threat," says Thor Eells, a retired SWAT commander from Colorado Springs, Colo., now executive director of the National Tactical Officers Association.
He says modern semi-automatic handguns are very quick and easy to reload, so the size of the magazine doesn't give an attacker that much of a practical advantage over police.
Eells says it's "plausible" that mass shooters often opt for extended magazines, believing they may compensate for their lack of skill with the firearm. But he says the reality is that a high-capacity magazine may actually become a hindrance, by jamming.
While there have been repeated calls for federal restrictions on extended magazines in recent years, the attachments have been essentially unregulated since the federal "Assault Weapons Ban" expired in 2004.
Virginia Beach Gunman Cited 'Personal Reasons' For Quitting Just Before Mass Shooting
NATIONAL
Virginia Beach Gunman Cited 'Personal Reasons' For Quitting Just Before Mass Shooting
There are restrictions in about 1/5 of the states, including California, which in 2000 banned new sales of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. A 2016 ballot initiative went further, banning even the ownership of high-capacity magazines that had been purchased legally.
Gun rights groups challenged the California law, and in March a federal judge agreed with them that ban was unconstitutional. In his opinion, Judge Roger Benitez determined that the magazines qualified as "arms," and are covered by the Second Amendment.
"I was a bit surprised, but I was pleased," says Michael Hammond, of Gun Owners of America. He says the ruling gives him hope that the new conservative tilt of the Supreme Court will similarly protect the rights to own guns and accessories.
Hammond sees efforts to restrict accessories — whether extended magazines, noise suppressors or bump stocks — as part of a broader attack on guns themselves.
"It's an effort by [gun control groups] to put points on the board. It's an effort by them to use these horrific tragedies to demonstrate that they're making political progress in their effort to destroy the Second Amendment."
The thing that is fundamentally different, and I'd like to see a ruling on, is if the absence of a part fundamentally changes the firearm or its capabilities.
Under a test like that, ammo bans wouldn't work. No ammo = no firearms. Standard cap magazines in ARs are another good example. If we can't have standard cap magazines then the capability is altered which throws 2A out of a balance.
But suppressors? Lots of wiggle room in an interpretation and a metric shit-ton of ignorance. And there's that slippery slope.
"Assault Weapon Bans" target cosmetic features that could be considered accessories too; bayonet lugs, collapsible stocks, etc... Is a semi-auto trigger a bearable arm? How about a barrel? BCG? Scope on a bolt gun?
Seems like a lot of dancing around the fundamental question on if we have a right to own firearms or not.
I saw this posted elsewhere and thought the timing was interesting. We almost never see NFA items used (legally acquired or not) in "mass shootings" or any other crimes.
The problem is that gun control in this country is advocated for by rich jerks and crazy cat ladies who don't know what they're talking about, but rather are simply reacting emotionally to whatever happened in the latest mass-shooting event that the press will happily signal-boost for hours a day, weeks on end.
Rucker61
06-04-2019, 10:25
Here we go again:
https://www.npr.org/2019/06/04/729413913/do-extended-magazines-facilitate-mass-shootings
I love this article. I can support a ban on magazine extensions if we get to have standard capacity magazines protected for all time. From what the author wrote, a two round extension on an 8 round Shield magazine is much more dangerous than a 19 round standard capacity CZ P-09 magazine or a 30 round AR-15 magazine.
Rucker61
06-04-2019, 10:25
The problem is that gun control in this country is advocated for by rich jerks and crazy cat ladies who don't know what they're talking about, but rather are simply reacting emotionally to whatever happened in the latest mass-shooting event that the press will happily signal-boost for hours a day, weeks on end.
Preach it.
I love this article. I can support a ban on magazine extensions if we get to have standard capacity magazines protected for all time. From what the author wrote, a two round extension on an 8 round Shield magazine is much more dangerous than a 19 round standard capacity CZ P-09 magazine or a 30 round AR-15 magazine.
You and I both know that isn't how they would word the law.
They're just going to pick whatever arbitrary magazine capacity limit they think they can push through legislatively and go with that.
The problem is that gun control in this country is advocated for by rich jerks and crazy cat ladies who don't know what they're talking about, but rather are simply reacting emotionally to whatever happened in the latest mass-shooting event that the press will happily signal-boost for hours a day, weeks on end.
They are the workers not the architects.
There are people who know damned well what they are doing (disarming good people while empowering criminals). This is why my eyebrow raises on these coincidences.
"This is the concern we were talking about when Republicans were trying to deregulate silencers as 'ear protection,'" said David Chipman, a retired agent with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and now the senior policy adviser with Giffords, a gun-control lobbying group.
This fuck should not be drawing a pension from the Gov for failure to uphold his oath to support and defend the Constitution. Fuck him and the Gifford he rode in on.
Right now on FOX cable news Kristen Gillibrand is on with Chris Wallace and the very first question from the town hall was a totally canned question and she is tearing into the NRA big time.
Fuck this stupid POS.
Lying C**T said she will ban bump stocks because Trump and the NRA won't.
WTF rock she living under? She must know she's lying.
The NRA totally called her out on this.
NRA responds to Gillibrand put-down by posting her 2008 letter praising gun-rights group (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nra-fires-back-after-gillibrand-points-to-her-2008-letter-praising-gun-rights-group)
One day after Kirsten Gillibrand slammed the National Rifle Association (NRA) as the "worst organization in this country," the group on Monday posted an effusive letter it received from Gillibrand in 2008 in which she praised "the work that the NRA does to protect gun owners rights" and said she hoped to work with it "for many years in Congress."
At a fiery Fox News town hall in Dubuque, Iowa Sunday, Gillibrand charged that the NRA cares "more about their profits than the American people" and "lies" for the sake of profit. But the NRA has countered that Gillibrand, whose campaign has attracted at most 1 percent support in national and early voting state polls, was a cynical political opportunist trying to gin up support for her candidacy.
"Gillibrand called us the worst org in the country, but when she represented NY20, she wrote us: 'I appreciate the work that the NRA does to protect gun owners rights, and I look forward to working with you for many years,'" the NRA wrote on Twitter. "Now that she?s looking to crack 1%, she?ll say anything."
Gillibrand, according to the NRA, sent the letter to NRA-ILA Executive Director Chris Cox on Sept. 19, 2008, when she was a member of Congress representing a rural district in upstate New York. The ILA, or Institute for Legislative Action, is the lobbying arm of the NRA.
"I want to be very clear that I always have and always will believe that the correct interpretation of the 2nd amendment [sic] is that it applies to an individual's right to carry guns, and does not apply generally to the National Guard or a group of individuals in a State," Gillibrand wrote to Cox, following what she described as a meeting with him the previous August.
Brit Hume on Kirsten Gillibrand's friendly letter to NRA: She may be 'most flexible politician' I've ever seen (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/brit-hume-kirsten-gillibrand-flexible-nra)
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6044483296001/
"The NRA's strength politically doesn't come from gun company money, it comes from the ardent feelings of its rather large membership, which will mobilize and vote against you in a bloc if you run afoul of their views on the Second Amendment," Hume said.
GilpinGuy
06-05-2019, 00:57
^^^^That's pure gold.
Rucker61
06-05-2019, 06:21
The NRA totally called her out on this.
NRA responds to Gillibrand put-down by posting her 2008 letter praising gun-rights group (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nra-fires-back-after-gillibrand-points-to-her-2008-letter-praising-gun-rights-group)
Brit Hume on Kirsten Gillibrand's friendly letter to NRA: She may be 'most flexible politician' I've ever seen (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/brit-hume-kirsten-gillibrand-flexible-nra)
Bye, Felicia.
So no talk in here about Trump's comments on suppressors?
UncleDave
06-07-2019, 16:49
If you have watch the interview there is not much to discuss
This fuck should not be drawing a pension from the Gov for failure to uphold his oath to support and defend the Constitution. Fuck him and the Gifford he rode in on.
Chipman showed up to testify on behalf of the proposed gun control laws in 2013.
He always shows up to testify to legislatures or as an interview subject whenever there's a tragedy or a law being debated.
Supreme Court turns away challenge to federal law regulating gun silencers
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/courts/supreme-court-turns-away-challenge-to-federal-law-regulating-gun-silencers
Had this decision happened before the shooting, it would be "status quo" on cans (reaffirming NFA). But since this shooting and all the talk of bans, the Court has just passed on a an opportunity to protect suppressors.
I think this is another area the Court needs to clear up and is refusing. If NFA is the supreme law of the land, then states/municipalities shouldn't be able to further regulate. If states can set their own rules then there is no limit on a state being more permissive but that isn't the Fed's position with Kettler.
Great-Kazoo
06-10-2019, 12:40
Like the vegas shooting, this story has disappeared.
Just as this attack in the peaceful town of London has the attackers (in custody) remaining nameless as well as skin color and religious affiliation.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/four-men-arrested-attack-two-200507934.html
YET, had this been another Church shooting with confederate flags on their social media site. We'd be inundated with the racist attack.
LAWMAKER MOVES TO OUTLAW SUPPRESSORS, AUTHORIZE ‘BUY BACK’
https://www.guns.com/news/2019/06/24/lawmaker-moves-to-outlaw-suppressors-authorize-buy-back
Sen. Bob Menendez last week announced his plan to introduce what he terms the Help Empower Americans to Respond (HEAR) Act when Congress goes back to work on Monday. His bill would reportedly provide some narrow exceptions for “certain current and former law enforcement personnel” and others while outlawing the more than 1 million currently legal suppressors in the country.
“Silencers undermine public safety. They undermine the ability of law enforcement to do their jobs. And they undermine the ability of Americans in the midst of mass shootings to survive,” Menendez said. “No one needs a silencer to defend themselves or their home, but everyone needs to be able to hear when their lives are in danger, and that’s exactly what the HEAR Act will do.”
From HPA to HEAR in one election.
The buyback is something you see them throwing around for "assault weapons." NFA would be good test since there is a pretty decent registration which would have to come before compulsory "buy back." Of course this is BS. The gov never owned the items, the purchasers owns it and paid a tax for the privilege.
ChickNorris
06-25-2019, 12:10
Someone needs to acquaint the Senator with the Story of Mr. Black here in Denver.
thedave1164
06-25-2019, 19:38
Why is that pederast still a senator?
Or is it pedophile?
Both?
It's remarkable how many people in positions of power seem to be inclined to those sorts of proclivities, and how rarely it ever seems to catch up with them.
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