View Full Version : When the NRA loses Hickok ...
Zundfolge
06-21-2019, 12:14
... sh*ts gonna get real
[panic]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDMhgGYDTWA
Bailey Guns
06-21-2019, 13:15
I was holding out hope for the NRA as long as I could. But after the bump-stock bullshit and all the infighting and apparent corruption, that's it. I'm done with them for now. Like H-45, I may come back into their corner in the future but no more help from me until they put their house in order.
Was reading that the NRA had suspended Chris Cox at ILA as well. They need to clean house and re-focus their priorities.
I haven't felt comfortable sending any $$ their way for the past couple of years. I figured they'd never address their issues unless we voted with our wallets.
Little Dutch
06-21-2019, 13:59
Was reading that the NRA had suspended Chris Cox at ILA as well. They need to clean house and re-focus their priorities.
I haven't felt comfortable sending any $$ their way for the past couple of years. I figured they'd never address their issues unless we voted with our wallets.
I was just reading about this. Chris Cox was, reportedly, "placed on administrative leave" for complicity in a failed coup to unseat Wayne LaPierre.
https://news.yahoo.com/nra-tears-itself-apart-president-092633955.html
As far as I'm concerned, Wayne needs to go...
Great-Kazoo
06-21-2019, 14:39
As far as I'm concerned, Wayne needs to go...
Needs to go? Like Mitch McConnell he should have been tossed a decade ago, easy.
whitewalrus
06-21-2019, 15:44
I think they have lost a lot of people in the past 2 years. I am with Hickok on this, I really hope they pull out of this and get their act together. But it seems they are losing the good people instead of those who need to be going.
They could have reduced the video by 7 minutes without repeating the following 3 points umpteen times. Clearly nervous.
* They want a strong NRA
* They will support them from the sidelines
* They no longer want to officially support the NRA at this time
Dana will be a much bigger blow to the NRA because I think she's done more for evangelization.
Hickok is a good guy but his appeal to folks who already own guns.
Dana will be a much bigger blow to the NRA because I think she's done more for evangelization.
Hickok is a good guy but his appeal to folks who already own guns.
People who don't own guns don't care who the mouth piece is. People who do own guns are the bread and butter of the entire organization. I'm thinking Hickok will be the bigger blow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_olHJ8I2kwk
spqrzilla
06-21-2019, 22:32
95% of NRA members have never heard of Hickok, nor any other Youtube personality.
I was on a year to year membership basis and I won’t be paying again until they get shit straight. What other organizations can you folks recommend that truly have our best interest in mind?
What other organizations can you folks recommend that truly have our best interest in mind?
In no particular order:
https://gunowners.org/ (https://gunowners.org/)
https://www.saf.org/
http://jpfo.org/
O2
People who don't own guns don't care who the mouth piece is. People who do own guns are the bread and butter of the entire organization. I'm thinking Hickok will be the bigger blow.
Loesch knows how to use social media and this is key to the future. She knowingly walked into CNN's/Sheriff Israel's firing squad after Parkland. No one else had the stones to do that. They were hoping to use her as a punching bag. She held her own and when the truth came out, not only was she validated, but CNN and Israel looked like the shitbags they are.
Hickok is like the NRA's social media Boomer (which is fine). He does YT vids that people had to go looking for or saw on gun boards on which they were already members. Again, all fine, but that's not going to protect gun rights or counter any grabber narratives.
Zundfolge
06-22-2019, 11:53
Hickok is like the NRA's social media Boomer (which is fine). He does YT vids that people had to go looking for or saw on gun boards on which they were already members. Again, all fine, but that's not going to protect gun rights or counter any grabber narratives.
My point wasn't that Hickok dropping his NRA endorsement was going to hurt the NRA, my point was that if the NRA has screwed up so much that the mildest mannered gun guy on the internet thinks its time to back away from them, that's not a good sign.
My point wasn't that Hickok dropping his NRA endorsement was going to hurt the NRA, my point was that if the NRA has screwed up so much that the mildest mannered gun guy on the internet thinks its time to back away from them, that's not a good sign.
It's a 100% valid point and it has already hurt the moment he published this vid. His demo is established gun owners, many older, with discretionary income to donate.
But when Dana leaves it will make the news outside the gun community and impact gun owners who weren't necessarily Hickok fans.
ETA: Because I wasn't very clear... The media will spin this as validation of everything they've said about the NRA the last 10 years. Including being part of the RussiaHoax.
Zundfolge
06-22-2019, 12:29
But when Dana leaves ...
There's been several references to this ... is she actually making noise about leaving the NRA?
Also, don't most of the leftists that claim they're pro-gun site her as one of their biggest problems with the NRA?
There's been several references to this ... is she actually making noise about leaving the NRA?
Also, don't most of the leftists that claim they're pro-gun site her as one of their biggest problems with the NRA?
She's so high profile you won't know until she does.
I have noticed a substantial difference in she and Chris's social media presence the last two weeks. Also noticed some differences in what they are posting when they do post. Less NRA content and slugging it out, more personal stuff, and Chris posting jokes rather than "wish a motherfucker would."
Her last post of NRA content was Jun 13th. These are usual multiples per day. There have been some sparse gun rights posts since then but nothing from NRA via her.
The idea that the Loeschs endured death threats the last few years so LaPierre could be a snazzy dresser is infuriating.
KevDen2005
06-22-2019, 15:15
So I have heard about the NRA falling apart for sometime now, but what specifically happened that people are jumping ship? I am clearly out of the loop. I haven't seen anything posted on other social media sites or the other youtube channels I follow.
I am going to keep my membership as I am already a life member to maintain other certifications.
Zundfolge
06-22-2019, 15:20
The idea that the Loeschs endured death threats the last few years so LaPierre could be a snazzy dresser is infuriating.
Ya know, I'd never want anything to happen to the Loesches ... but I can't say I wouldn't enjoy reading in the news about Chris (or hell, Dana) ventilating a couple of Antifa goons in their living room at oh-dark-thirty.
So I have heard about the NRA falling apart for sometime now, but what specifically happened that people are jumping ship?
People have been bitching about Wayne LaPierre being ineffectual and wasting money for some time. But the other day they "suspended" (read: fired) Chris Cox for "being involved in a failed coup attempt to oust LaPierre" and that was probably the last straw for the Hickoks (and others).
KevDen2005
06-22-2019, 15:23
Ya know, I'd never want anything to happen to the Loesches ... but I can't say I wouldn't enjoy reading in the news about Chris (or hell, Dana) ventilating a couple of Antifa goons in their living room at oh-dark-thirty.
People have been bitching about Wayne LaPierre being ineffectual and wasting money for some time. But the other day they "suspended" (read: fired) Chris Cox for "being involved in a failed coup attempt to oust LaPierre" and that was probably the last straw for the Hickoks (and others).
I read that, but what exactly went down with this "failed coup." We're not talking about a third world country. I heard bitching about Wayne LaPierre when I went through my first instructor school in 2012, so I'm sure it goes on before that.
SuperiorDG
06-22-2019, 15:38
What does one do when their shooting range membership requires NRA membership? That is the only reason I'm paying my annual NRA membership.
I do believe the recent NRA 'issues' were discussed over in the legislation and politics forum.
ETA: Here you go - https://www.ar-15.co/threads/173774-Whooda-thunk-it
Zundfolge
06-22-2019, 16:40
What does one do when their shooting range membership requires NRA membership? That is the only reason I'm paying my annual NRA membership.
You hold your nose and pay your NRA dues because your range gets their insurance through the NRA that's why they require membership of all their members.
eddiememphis
06-22-2019, 21:38
What does one do when their shooting range membership requires NRA membership? That is the only reason I'm paying my annual NRA membership.
Same thing you do if you want to race or participate in a motorcycle event that requires AMA membership. Ignore the politics and have fun.
For decades, the AMA has done nothing but put out a glossy magazine and told members to contact their representation about issues.
eddiememphis
06-22-2019, 21:52
The NRA has been an effective lobbying organization if for nothing else than acting as a villain for the left.
Teacher's unions contribute something like 35 times more money to political action committees yet get very little attention versus the EVIL NRA!!!
Some guy on Youtube saying whatever he did- I did not watch the video- will sway members and nonmembers very little. Much like actors stating their political opinions have very little matter in normal thinking people's lives.
Money and power corrupt. Public or private.
Term limits are a great answer to limiting access to both.
I like Hickok 45. I've been watching his videos for a long time. He currently has 4,242,839 subscribers on YouTube. Pretty impressive numbers and if all of his subscribers decided to also bail on the NRA, I think the impact would absolutely be felt. I haven't supported the NRA since 2013 for their lack of support here in Colorado when the BS gun laws got forced on us. Not sure how the NRA will bounce back from all this, but like Hickok said, I hope they figure it all out and get their act together...but I'm not holding my breath.
Ya know, I'd never want anything to happen to the Loesches ... but I can't say I wouldn't enjoy reading in the news about Chris (or hell, Dana) ventilating a couple of Antifa goons in their living room at oh-dark-thirty.
Same. That would be quite the negative legacy for a gun grabber. "I died proving why people need guns." [LOL]
The NRA has been an effective lobbying organization if for nothing else than acting as a villain for the left.
Teacher's unions contribute something like 35 times more money to political action committees yet get very little attention versus the EVIL NRA!!!
Some guy on Youtube saying whatever he did- I did not watch the video- will sway members and nonmembers very little. Much like actors stating their political opinions have very little matter in normal thinking people's lives.
Money and power corrupt. Public or private.
Term limits are a great answer to limiting access to both.
Much like politics, if you are going to spend political capital, you need to buy something.
The NRA has gotten a lot of hate and been a focal point for stigmatizing gun owners. What have they done? Anything noteworthy since Heller?
We got a bumpstock ban by executive fiat, imposed by the NRA's endorsed candidate. We also have significant regulations creeping up at the state level.
CobaltSkink
06-23-2019, 09:57
The NRA didn't get behind Heller until it was well along the way.
They were afraid of the Heller challenge, but they weren't afraid to beat the drum for donations.
I remember people complaining about Wayne's Escalade back in 2002.
N.R.A. Shuts Down Production of NRATV
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/25/us/nra-nratv-ackerman-mcqueen.html
The National Rifle Association has shut down production at NRATV.
The N.R.A. on Tuesday also severed all business with its estranged advertising firm, Ackerman McQueen, which operates NRATV, the N.R.A.’s live broadcasting media arm, according to interviews and documents reviewed by The New York Times.
While NRATV may continue to air past content, its live broadcasting will end and its on-air personalities — Ackerman employees including Dana Loesch — will no longer be the public faces of the N.R.A. It remained unclear whether the N.R.A. might try to hire some of those employees, but there was no indication it was negotiating to do so.
I think Colin Noir is impacted as well.
This reads like the NRA is firing those individuals but I'm not so sure it's not the other way around and the NRA is trying to head off a PR crisis. Like I said, based on posting, I think Loesch had probably either left or reduced her support several weeks ago.
Grabbers too busy taking credit to properly celebrate.
https://imgur.com/lcL7jQh.jpg
Imagine being a policy wonk, knowing the NRA's internal crisis, and thinking you can sell this as your personal achievement? That only works if you are responsible for the internal crisis.
.455_Hunter
06-26-2019, 09:59
Why is LaPierre always the last man standing?
Why is LaPierre always the last man standing?
Because he is the rock on which the 2nd Amendment Church is built, and the gates of D.C. shall not prevail against it.
/sarc
95% of NRA members have never heard of Hickok, nor any other Youtube personality.
I'd be careful about that. There are a lot of people on Youtube who are serious influencers with millions of subscribers, and Hickok is one of them.
Hell, Colion Noir got his start as a Youtuber and social media personality and built a very large and passionate following long before the NRA built an official relationship with him.
Just now saw this, it was from earlier today.
Interesting that when grabbers get a perceived win, the threats would increase. It's almost like they just want to harm their political opposition and it was never really about guns.
https://imgur.com/vM3qvO1.jpg
It's not like the NRA fired the personalities on NRATV. The NRA and Ackerman McQueen have severed their relationship. NRATV was Ackerman McQueen.
Colorado Osprey
06-26-2019, 21:40
What does one do when their shooting range membership requires NRA membership? That is the only reason I'm paying my annual NRA membership.
The NRA has not been an advocate for gun rights for a long time. They are a $$ driven lobby group who cave on just about every issue. The major loss started with the 1986 NFA case. They cave on every issue brought before them and continue to cave. The $$ lobby that is the NRA also has pushed to be the end all, be all of gun safety and gun rights and allowed insurance companies to be dictated by what is safe according to a so called gun lobby. That is why insurance companies use NRA membership requirement for private unsupervised ranges. Joining ranges that require NRA membership is just continuing to support a lobby that does not have gun owners interest at heart.... just $$ to continue themselves. Yes these private ranges might be convenient, but by not joining these ranges or the NRA you are not supporting the circular problem.
So what to do? There is a public range that is supposed to be built in Ramah SWA this year. No NRA membership, free use and unsupervised. Of course there is the Ft Carson range as well that requires no membership but charges per use as many others across the state.
My only fear is if the NRA looses power who/what will step up and actually challenge the proposed laws but I'm not sure they are currently helping gun owners now.
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