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Grant H.
07-07-2019, 20:46
Since some may not keep up with what the FCC is doing, I figured I would post this here...
Given the FCC's change of policy released here, (https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-18-980A1.pdf) they are effectively working towards banning the Baofeng radios (cheap, relatively useful) as of 9/30/2019...
Now, I'll head off the bunnies with saying that I know they aren't the best radios, and yes, you need an license to operate them in some of the bands that they cover (HAM and GMRS), but they cover the FRS bands for normal daily use, and let's be honest, the FCC isn't going to give a shit whether you have a license or not in a true SHTF scenario. (I am a licensed radio operator, and they work well enough to hit the BARC repeater from my house in Longmont, while I'm in the basement).
Comms are important for SHTF.
So, I would gently suggest that you consider what your comms plans are, because cell isn't going to work (VZW had a decent outage here in CO today, likely caused by Century Stinks inability to maintain uptime), and consider buying some form of radios. These are a good option, especially for the price.
The best pricing I have found is here. (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Baofeng-UV-5R-Plus-Earpiece-VHF-UHF-Dual-Band-128CH-FM-Two-way-Ham-Radio-US/142703453678?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649) Seriously, less than $20 each, shipped if you buy 4 or more.
I would recommend upgrading the antenna with either of these two options:
Option 1 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Radioddity-RD-701-SMA-F-144-430MHz-Antenna-for-Baofeng-TYT-8000E-UV-5R-82L-GT-3/131945254069?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649)
Option 2 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Radioddity-RD-771-144-430Mhz-SMA-F-Antenna-for-Baofeng-TYT-UV-82-GT-1-3-5-TK-25/142024516531?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649)
The model I linked can be easily programmed for use on lots of different channels using the USB programming cable, and CHIRP (free software). If you buy a USB cable, like this one, (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Radioddity-PC001-FTDI-USB-Programming-Cable-for-Baofeng-Kenwood-TYT-MacOS-WinPC/132950278235?hash=item1ef474405b:g:c9EAAOSwJihcpHn 1) make sure it is the FTDI chipset, to avoid having to install drivers.
If there is interest, I will write up the process of programming these radios with CHIRP and the cable, and I can provide a generic config that includes lots of options.
bobbyfairbanks
07-07-2019, 20:58
Yes
sellersm
07-07-2019, 21:21
Amen to this post! I?d love to see a good write up on programming cuz I?ve not been very successful at it.
Thank you!
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Vitesse304
07-07-2019, 21:37
What are your thoughts on using them in MURS?
And buying a few to use with the family while camping and hiking?
The hardest radio to program I have dealt with (even with chirp) if you end up in a new area unexpectedly trying to program freq via the radio makes you want to use it for smoke signals
eta I have 6 of these most with the bigger batt packs but they are fall backs
Yes please,
It's a shame these are not a little more water resistant.
Ever have any issues with them truding around in the woods wet/snowy with occasional use out of pocket?
I've only used them hunting and on caravan road trips.
thedave1164
07-08-2019, 09:33
Amen to this post! I?d love to see a good write up on programming cuz I?ve not been very successful at it.
Thank you!
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Manually programming them is a fools errand, it can be done but it is far better and actually easy to use Chirp on a PC or laptop
Grant H.
07-08-2019, 10:53
Wow, this gained more traction than I expected.
I guess I will be writing up the programming side of this... That's fine, just gonna take a bit when I'm not at work.
A couple of quick responses:
I disagree with DFB and agree with TD1164 that programming with chirp is easy. Programming without chirp isn't impossible, but it's not intuitive. I have to keep in mind that I have been programming HAM radios since I was 7, and so I am used to learning new stupid menu's, verbiage, etc... The only time I have ever HAD to program by hand is like what DFB pointed out of being in a new area and trying to hit a repeater. In order to program for a single repeater, it's not that bad. I'll walk through that as well.
For MURS, as Vitesse mentioned, this is one of the down falls of a $20 radio. MURS requires very specific channel widths (11.25 and 20khz) while the rest of the world runs on 6.25, 12.5, 25, and 50khz (pre FCC narrowbanding - long story) but that means that the majority of radios built to function for anything beyond the MURS bands are using a different channel width. From a radio design standpoint, it's not easy to include odd channel widths with standards. So, what this really means is that you can run these radios on those bands, but you won't be matching the actual specifications of the band, which means you are breaking FCC rules and regs. Also, using a radio not certified for MURS on a MURS channel is not permitted by the FCC so you are breaking FCC rules and regs there too... Will it work with other BF/China radios set to the same freq and parameters? Yep. Will it work with actual MURS radios? Haven't tried it, but you might be able to make it function. Is it allowed? No, so I would recommend not doing that.
Anyway, more later.
I have to follow a tutorial with chirp for sure
By my interpretation: Given some radios by FCC compliance are now "GMRS licensed," is it still required to obtain a GMRS license or is this only for repeater use? Are the Baofeng radios prohibited regardless because of their non-cmpliance (and/or transmit power?)
Is it true that a low level HAM license costs less than the (no test) GMRS license?
Forgive my ignorance, but I'm just picking up bits and pieces of the confusing regs and info out there after having ordered some of these cheap radios. I'd like to be able to transmit on GMRS with them if possible(legal) so they're not just SHTF radios.
I know there was a thread discussing these radios a while back, but I don't think it covered my GMRS questions.
Thanks for doing this!
Grant H.
07-08-2019, 18:50
By my interpretation: Given some radios by FCC compliance are now "GMRS licensed," is it still required to obtain a GMRS license or is this only for repeater use? Are the Baofeng radios prohibited regardless because of their non-cmpliance (and/or transmit power?)
Is it true that a low level HAM license costs less than the (no test) GMRS license?
Forgive my ignorance, but I'm just picking up bits and pieces of the confusing regs and info out there after having ordered some of these cheap radios. I'd like to be able to transmit on GMRS with them if possible(legal) so they're not just SHTF radios.
I know there was a thread discussing these radios a while back, but I don't think it covered my GMRS questions.
Thanks for doing this!
The Baofengs are being "banned" because of the way they are FCC certified, and the bands they cover. Since they are Part 90, but cover more spectrum than part 90, that is why the FCC is annoyed. It is important to note... As written, the FCC is not banning possession of these radios, only the advertisement and sale of further radios. This is a regulatory thing, and from some of the info coming out of the FCC and ARRL, likely a lobbied for move by big name radios (kenwood, yaseu, icom, etc)
GMRS technically requires a license, period.
A low level ham license is maybe cheaper, but the tests do take some extra time to get ready for (RF theory, and the harder part, rules/regs/habits).
A GMRS license is only $70.
The baofengs will also transmit on the FRS bands (technically over powered, but not dramatically so) which would allow you to use them mostly legally even without the GMRS license.
Anyone have the new 8 watt vs the normal in-5r? How’s the antenna
How do these work if I want to use one with a buddy on a road trip or something? I don't know Jack shit about radio stuff. What frequency would I use
Did some reading looks like FRS and there are 22 channels?
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Grant H.
07-08-2019, 20:56
Anyone have the new 8 watt vs the normal in-5r? How’s the antenna
I have an 8 watt. Same junk antenna as the 5r+.
Either the Radioddity or Nagoya (NA-701/NA-771) are good upgrades for not a lot of money...
How do these work if I want to use one with a buddy on a road trip or something? I don't know Jack shit about radio stuff. What frequency would I use
Did some reading looks like FRS and there are 22 channels?
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Correct. For that kind of purpose I would program them to use the FRS channels, pick one, and go to town.
This is relatively simple, and will be covered in my write up of programming them.
I never really got into the Baofeng. I mostly have Icom, Yaesu, and a few B.K.s. But for the money it would be worth having a few tucked away.
The thing that kills it is trying to find a good cable to program it with. Manually programming can be a pain but it's doable.
I have an 8 watt. Same junk antenna as the 5r+.
Either the Radioddity or Nagoya (NA-701/NA-771) are good upgrades for not a lot of money...
Correct. For that kind of purpose I would program them to use the FRS channels, pick one, and go to town.
This is relatively simple, and will be covered in my write up of programming them.
The Radioddity antennas are coming slow boat out of China so I ordered some 7.5" and 14.5" ExpertPower antenna for around twice the price, still pretty cheap. Hell, after I ordered some UV-5R+ I dove in and ordered two UV-82. Still only 5/1W but the reviews on them seemed more positive (bigger buttons). extra batteries, larger batteries, etc. it's starting to add up and I haven't even touched one. LOL.
Now I have to go figure out a sub $100 RC boat that I can get before Monday...
My problem with the Baofengs is they listen to two channels, and auto switch if something happens on the other channel. Then all the sudden you're talking on a channel you don't mean to be. That's a big deal if you're trying to use them as FRS without a HAM license and pop you over to a HAM channel on a repeater.
The Baofengs are being "banned" because of the way they are FCC certified, and the bands they cover. Since they are Part 90, but cover more spectrum than part 90, that is why the FCC is annoyed. It is important to note... As written, the FCC is not banning possession of these radios, only the advertisement and sale of further radios. This is a regulatory thing, and from some of the info coming out of the FCC and ARRL, likely a lobbied for move by big name radios (kenwood, yaseu, icom, etc)
GMRS technically requires a license, period.
A low level ham license is maybe cheaper, but the tests do take some extra time to get ready for (RF theory, and the harder part, rules/regs/habits).
A GMRS license is only $70.
The baofengs will also transmit on the FRS bands (technically over powered, but not dramatically so) which would allow you to use them mostly legally even without the GMRS license.
Thanks!
If I have a GMRS (family) license, can my radios then use repeaters?
My problem with the Baofengs is they listen to two channels, and auto switch if something happens on the other channel. Then all the sudden you're talking on a channel you don't mean to be. That's a big deal if you're trying to use them as FRS without a HAM license and pop you over to a HAM channel on a repeater.
Another reason I picked up two of the UV-82, separate PTT buttons.
The channel scan can also, I believe, be coded out. ??
Grant H.
07-09-2019, 01:19
I never really got into the Baofeng. I mostly have Icom, Yaesu, and a few B.K.s. But for the money it would be worth having a few tucked away.
The thing that kills it is trying to find a good cable to program it with. Manually programming can be a pain but it's doable.
I have all the big name brands as well (been buying radios since I got into ham when I was like 7...) and I will never argue that these are in the same realm. However, as you mentioned, for the price I can stash a pile of these with the batteries removed and in a metal container, and they will likely survive even an EMP type of SHTF scenario. I now have my better radios for personal/family, and cheaper radios that I can hand out to folks as our plans unfold and a number of groups link up and head to BFE.
Any of the FTDI cables, like the one I linked, will work just fine with windows and mac (I think linux as well, but I honestly haven't tried... I have an rdp linux machine if someone needs me to try it)...
The Radioddity antennas are coming slow boat out of China so I ordered some 7.5" and 14.5" ExpertPower antenna for around twice the price, still pretty cheap. Hell, after I ordered some UV-5R+ I dove in and ordered two UV-82. Still only 5/1W but the reviews on them seemed more positive (bigger buttons). extra batteries, larger batteries, etc. it's starting to add up and I haven't even touched one. LOL.
Now I have to go figure out a sub $100 RC boat that I can get before Monday...
Yep. I have a handful of them already, and just bought a few more to stash. Upgraded antennas, a couple of 25W truck radios that cover the same bands (playing with a solar powered, "drop" repeater for SHTF), batteries, etc... I've spent more than a few dollars with china on these...
Grant H.
07-09-2019, 01:20
My problem with the Baofengs is they listen to two channels, and auto switch if something happens on the other channel. Then all the sudden you're talking on a channel you don't mean to be. That's a big deal if you're trying to use them as FRS without a HAM license and pop you over to a HAM channel on a repeater.
I'll have to play with this, because mine have never done this. Certainly not saying they don't, just saying that I've never run across this. Could be I have the channel scan/switch feature off.
Thanks for the info and especially the included links which removes all doubt about what you're referencing. Ordered a couple and look forward to your documentation!
O2
I'll have to play with this, because mine have never done this. Certainly not saying they don't, just saying that I've never run across this. Could be I have the channel scan/switch feature off.
Yeah, I barely programmed mine the first time as is, so don't assume that I've gone through every option and am a master operator.
Yeah, I barely programmed mine the first time as is, so don't assume that I've gone through every option and am a Tier-1 operator.
FIFY
Fentonite
07-09-2019, 14:30
Thanks for this thread, Grant! Looking forward to your instructional post (since I just ordered a trio of your recommendations).
thedave1164
07-09-2019, 18:04
I need to look, I have a bunch of repeaters already programmed in a file for Chirp.
Let me see if I have it on a computer that has internet access so I can email it out
Great-Kazoo
07-09-2019, 18:24
I'll pick up a few more. There's a local group, down the road that programs them at no charge. Had to reprogram mine, which had all the ones the dave installed.
I've got the programming from Dave as well. It's nice to have a Chirrp program to install when you have several radios because making them identical is a cinch. Since I keep pretending to get into HAM, but haven't actually done it, reprogramming mine to pull all the HAM stations out might actually be a good idea for me.
ChickNorris
07-09-2019, 20:52
Pardon the ping...
Grant H.
07-09-2019, 21:27
This radio config has most of the front range repeaters, programmed into it. https://cloud.iestechnologies.com/index.php/s/sdCQhcApBGcpkOK
Channel list in .csv format - shows where I have what channels. https://cloud.iestechnologies.com/index.php/s/SbTOylSlk9SwwPe
Same channel list saved off of BF-F8HP: https://cloud.iestechnologies.com/index.php/s/k92Zf6bIGjoJxjQ
I know I am behind on getting the write up done. I am getting there. I am hoping to put it up tomorrow.
Grant H.
07-09-2019, 21:28
Password to the above links is: baofeng1
Grant H.
07-09-2019, 21:33
I'm probably putting too much detail into the write up, but I would rather have this be as complete as possible.
DenverGP
07-09-2019, 22:19
Anyone ever tried the Radioddity GA-5S radio? I've got a UV5RA, was thinking of picking up a second, and saw that one. Looks a higher powered Baefeng clone.
Will this Chirrp program work with my Yaesu FT-50R with the MARS/CAP mod? I programmed it manually ages ago and suspect a lot has changed. Would be nice to update without the brainhurt. I'll pick up a couple Baefengs too.
I have considered getting something like this for my RZR for comms when riding. Should I just get the handheld?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/QYT-KT-8900D-4-Color-Dual-Band-Quad-Standby-Mini-Car-Truck-Radio-Transceiver-US/142247329890
As long as you have a good place to store it. I have a hard time keeping my hand held in place in my Amigo on simple road trips, let alone off road. I like the idea of clipping it to the visor so I can hear it right by my face, but it always inevitably ends up in my lap or at my feet, usually after clipping me in the face on the way down. I also clip into the door pocket, but the long antenna sticks up, or the radio interferes with my manual crank windows. Those issues are pretty unique to my situation, but something to think about.
As a non radio person, would these with updated antenna work for talking between say Longmont and Westminster off repeaters or whatever? Dad has his ham licence and some equipment. Figured these might be fun for him to play with as a gift and possibly get setup to call each other with.
gnihcraes
07-10-2019, 21:02
As a non radio person, would these with updated antenna work for talking between say Longmont and Westminster off repeaters or whatever? Dad has his ham licence and some equipment. Figured these might be fun for him to play with as a gift and possibly get setup to call each other with.
I was taught to usually figure 1 watt per mile of communications without using repeaters. (Line of site, no obstacles) If mountain top to mountain top, you can get some distance. Bigger and better antennas help.
I was taught to usually figure 1 watt per mile of communications without using repeaters. (Line of site, no obstacles) If mountain top to mountain top, you can get some distance. Bigger and better antennas help.
For real radio.
I'm sure not getting 10 miles from the cheap illegal chinese linear amp I have on my CB. ;-)
gnihcraes
07-10-2019, 21:48
For real radio.
I'm sure not getting 10 miles from the cheap illegal chinese linear amp I have on my CB. ;-)Why not? :)
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I was taught to usually figure 1 watt per mile of communications without using repeaters.
I'm not going to disagree with you, but as a datapoint that surprised me, I just tried my ancient Motorola TalkAbout 250s* from one side of I25 to the other (shallow valley, line of sight) and they worked at 3.5 miles!
Yhea, put them in a cityscape and you'd be lucky to get them to go 1000 feet.
I was checking them out to see if they'd work from one end of Pueblo Reservoir to the other and it looks like they might.
O2
* Can't find any FCC power data on them, but given the era, they're probably 0.2 Watts.
https://i.ebayimg.com/thumbs/images/g/pGAAAOSwLYJc7xDM/s-l225.jpg
Would these radios be a good buy for someone who doesn't know anything about radio or HAM, but is interested in getting the license?
Also, I assume you can use these to talk to people using other brands of radio, as long as they're on the same band?
Would these radios be a good buy for someone who doesn't know anything about radio or HAM, but is interested in getting the license?
Also, I assume you can use these to talk to people using other brands of radio, as long as they're on the same band?
Absolutely. Much more versatile than the standard cheapies sold at big box stores (FRS and GMRS). These are cheap (for now), will work with most other radios and will work when cell phones don't in SHTF. In rural areas, you can also monitor sheriff/fire bands but they're shutting that down on the Front Range with the switch to encrypted digital.
For emergency purposes, you don't need a license so that's purely optional unless you're using them a lot. The challenge is getting them set up properly with all the right frequencies (easier now with software) and learning some basics...then trying to re-remember everything a year or three later.
Eventually you should upgrade antennas (multiple options) and get all the other accessories for boosting broadcast power and power sources. But that can happen later as you learn more. The deadline for getting the cheap, decent handheld radios is coming soon.
Grant H.
07-11-2019, 20:52
My sincerest apologies for not having the write up finished yet. I have had a few unexpected tasks thrown at me at work, and have been buried... I will get this up as quickly as possible.
Anyone ever tried the Radioddity GA-5S radio? I've got a UV5RA, was thinking of picking up a second, and saw that one. Looks a higher powered Baefeng clone.
I haven't but I have a radioddity truck radio on the way, so I will have an idea of what I think of something from them. Overall internet reaction seems positive to their private labeled radios.
Will this Chirrp program work with my Yaesu FT-50R with the MARS/CAP mod? I programmed it manually ages ago and suspect a lot has changed. Would be nice to update without the brainhurt. I'll pick up a couple Baefengs too.
Per this, yes. I haven't programmed mine with Chirp yet.
https://chirp.danplanet.com/projects/chirp/wiki/Home
I have considered getting something like this for my RZR for comms when riding. Should I just get the handheld?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/QYT-KT-8900D-4-Color-Dual-Band-Quad-Standby-Mini-Car-Truck-Radio-Transceiver-US/142247329890
I have one of these (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Radioddity-QB25-Pro-Quad-Band-Mobile-Car-Radio-Transceiver-V-UHF-25W-Antenna-US/132296950896?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649) on the way for a repeater build and I can give you my thoughts once I get it (supposed to be delivered 7/15).
These truck radios, with the higher TX power and a good whip (the one I linked comes with a whip antenna) will cover a LOT more distance than a handheld.
As a non radio person, would these with updated antenna work for talking between say Longmont and Westminster off repeaters or whatever? Dad has his ham licence and some equipment. Figured these might be fun for him to play with as a gift and possibly get setup to call each other with.
With repeaters? Yep. Direct? Likely not. I can hit the BARC repeater at NCAR from the basement of my house in SE Longmont, but that's a very nice set of antennas, filters, and radios (been there when I was in BARC Jr, and got to "help" tune a new filter that was installed).
I was taught to usually figure 1 watt per mile of communications without using repeaters. (Line of site, no obstacles) If mountain top to mountain top, you can get some distance. Bigger and better antennas help.
That's a pretty good rule of thumb, but it is conservative, as evidenced by my ability to hit and use the BARC repeater at NCAR from my house. Google earth says that is 14 miles. This is with my uv-5r+ and either the 8" or 15" Nagoya/Radioddity antennas.
The 2 meter Ham band is better (140MHz) with terrain and obstacles, because it will bend and push through better than the 400MHz of the 70cm Ham band and the FRS band. The FRS/GMRS/70cm band is WAYYY better than the modern 900MHz digital radios used by LE/FD/EMS, unless you have a trunked repeater setup like they do. Handheld to handheld will blow in the 900MHz band.
Basically, the lower the frequency, the better it will perform over distance. Think about FM radio stations (80-100MHz) vs AM radio stations (.5-1.7MHz). AM covers so much more ground, because it has a frequency that is so much lower. AM and FM stations are generally pretty similar in output power.
For real radio.
I'm sure not getting 10 miles from the cheap illegal chinese linear amp I have on my CB. ;-)
Make sure your radio output is in line with the expected input of the amp. If you are over/under driving the amp, it won't be happy, and won't play nice.
Would these radios be a good buy for someone who doesn't know anything about radio or HAM, but is interested in getting the license?
Also, I assume you can use these to talk to people using other brands of radio, as long as they're on the same band?
Yes, and yes. The only caveat to talking to other radios is that some FRS radios can run "security" to make your conversations private, so if others are using that, you can't hear what they are saying, just noise.
Grant H.
07-11-2019, 20:55
I'm not going to disagree with you, but as a datapoint that surprised me, I just tried my ancient Motorola TalkAbout 250s* from one side of I25 to the other (shallow valley, line of sight) and they worked at 3.5 miles!
Yhea, put them in a cityscape and you'd be lucky to get them to go 1000 feet.
I was checking them out to see if they'd work from one end of Pueblo Reservoir to the other and it looks like they might.
O2
* Can't find any FCC power data on them, but given the era, they're probably 0.2 Watts.
https://i.ebayimg.com/thumbs/images/g/pGAAAOSwLYJc7xDM/s-l225.jpg
Looks to be spec'd at .5W.
So... 9/30 is the deadline and I need to get at least 1 handheld (camp) and 1 vehicle mount by then, right?
Unless I go with the bootleg jersey shipping option from china....
It shall be done.
Grant H.
07-11-2019, 21:34
So... 9/30 is the deadline and I need to get at least 1 handheld (camp) and 1 vehicle mount by then, right?
Unless I go with the bootleg jersey shipping option from china....
It shall be done.
Need to? Maybe, maybe not...
But for the price, they are pretty decent options.
Make sure your radio output is in line with the expected input of the amp. If you are over/under driving the amp, it won't be happy, and won't play nice.
It's actually working OK and is one of 3 or 4 low power amps I picked up cheap many many years ago off ebay for the travel crew. All theirs have rolled over and died, mine lives on. I do have an SWR meter and have the antenna tuned well, so I expect that helps keep it from frying.
Now my dilemma is thanks to you, I ordered a DB25 truck radio. I hate to ditch my CB because a few of us still run them, but am not looking forward to running another cable or affixing another antenna mount to my truck.
thedave1164
07-12-2019, 06:55
It's actually working OK and is one of 3 or 4 low power amps I picked up cheap many many years ago off ebay for the travel crew. All theirs have rolled over and died, mine lives on. I do have an SWR meter and have the antenna tuned well, so I expect that helps keep it from frying.
Now my dilemma is thanks to you, I ordered a DB25 truck radio. I hate to ditch my CB because a few of us still run them, but am not looking forward to running another cable or affixing another antenna mount to my truck.
You might be able to reuse your cable and mount, post some pics of the connector for the radio end and the connector at the mount end
.40isthenew.45
07-12-2019, 07:42
As a suggestion, once everyone gets their radios in and programmed,(and their license of course) we should set up a "Net" and give everyone a place to practice using them. I got mine a couple of years ago but never use it. Pretty sure "dry fire" or talking to myself, isn't building my radio skill or confidence.
As a suggestion, once everyone gets their radios in and programmed,(and their license of course) we should set up a "Net" and give everyone a place to practice using them. I got mine a couple of years ago but never use it. Pretty sure "dry fire" or talking to myself, isn't building my radio skill or confidence.
I'd be down for that. After the next paycheck I think I might order a couple of these.
Yes, and yes. The only caveat to talking to other radios is that some FRS radios can run "security" to make your conversations private, so if others are using that, you can't hear what they are saying, just noise.
That was going to be my other question. Not that it's a big deal, but how common is encryption on consumer-grade radios?
You might be able to reuse your cable and mount, post some pics of the connector for the radio end and the connector at the mount end
It's a PL259 on the radio end and a ring mount on the antenna side.
Grant H.
07-12-2019, 11:56
It's actually working OK and is one of 3 or 4 low power amps I picked up cheap many many years ago off ebay for the travel crew. All theirs have rolled over and died, mine lives on. I do have an SWR meter and have the antenna tuned well, so I expect that helps keep it from frying.
Now my dilemma is thanks to you, I ordered a DB25 truck radio. I hate to ditch my CB because a few of us still run them, but am not looking forward to running another cable or affixing another antenna mount to my truck.
I have been described, by friends that I hang out with, as the "crack dealer that gives out the first rock free..." specifically referring to my firearms and technology hobbies that get expensive...
Yes, having your antenna tuned will significantly help with protecting the life of your amp.
I also agree with Dave, you may be able to re-use your cable run and antenna mount. I have all kinds of RF adapters in my pile of random parts. Most CB's use PL-259 connectors and I have some adapters for that to N.
Grant H.
07-12-2019, 12:00
I'd be down for that. After the next paycheck I think I might order a couple of these.
That was going to be my other question. Not that it's a big deal, but how common is encryption on consumer-grade radios?
It's not that uncommon, but I would have to opt to turn it on in my Midland FRS radios. It's usually on by default, because most of the manufacturers understand that the average user isn't going to want to have to figure out matching security keys between radios, or turning it off to use with their homies that can't.
Motorola is the worst offender about having it on by default.
Grant H.
07-12-2019, 12:03
It's a PL259 on the radio end and a ring mount on the antenna side.
That's what I get for not reading the next page before responding...
When you say "ring mount" does it look like this? (https://www.arcantenna.com/laird-antenex-mb8um-3-4-thru-hole-nmo-mount-vehicular-nmo-antenna-roof-mount-17-ft-rg-58-u-cable-mini-uhf-connector-included.html?gclid=CjwKCAjw36DpBRAYEiwAmVVDMKx88y 6XoN6HgdddZx8Rq-cINPzhCU8gtfAFGp68Ypip1V0Xt4w5XhoC-OIQAvD_BwE)
That is a standard NMO mount, and MANY vehicle antennas for lots of different bands can be had for that mount (very, very common). You can also get them built into a magnetic mount that has a cable attached, so it is removable.
Grant H.
07-12-2019, 12:08
As a suggestion, once everyone gets their radios in and programmed,(and their license of course) we should set up a "Net" and give everyone a place to practice using them. I got mine a couple of years ago but never use it. Pretty sure "dry fire" or talking to myself, isn't building my radio skill or confidence.
With a basic Technician license from the FCC for HAM, you can use all the existing repeaters along the front range, and cover a significant portion of it. You will also find quite a few folks that are more than willing to be friendly on the radio with a quick call of "This is KC0XYZ, looking for anyone on this net to chat with for a few minutes". They'll respond and generally be very helpful if you tell them you're newish and wanting to "practice" and make contacts. They will also help with making suggestions on "do this"/"don't do that" type of things.
Basic rules are no obscenities, and use your call sign every 10 minutes or so.
.40isthenew.45
07-12-2019, 13:33
I got my tech before I got the radio. My goal is to get my general ticket this summer.
Does anyone have a good lead on where to go to sit for the Technician's License, preferably somewhere near The Springs?
From what I found on the ARRL website most of the tests seem to be in and around Denver.
.40isthenew.45
07-14-2019, 16:08
Does anyone have a good lead on where to go to sit for the Technician's License, preferably somewhere near The Springs?
From what I found on the ARRL website most of the tests seem to be in and around Denver.
Search for exams at: http://www.arrl.org/find-an-amateur-radio-license-exam-session
Next one in the Springs: http://www.arrl.org/exam_sessions/colorado-springs-co-80907-11
.40isthenew.45
07-14-2019, 16:17
Has anyone had any experience with a Btech uv-25x4 (https://baofengtech.com/uv-25x4) I ordered one of those when I got my handheld and have never taken it out of the box. Documentation says easier programming with a "PC04 FTDI Cable", which I didn't order.
*edit according to my amazon history I did order one, must be in the bag of radio stuff, that still doesn't mean I know what to do once I hook them together...
thedave1164
07-14-2019, 17:29
Has anyone had any experience with a Btech uv-25x4 (https://baofengtech.com/uv-25x4) I ordered one of those when I got my handheld and have never taken it out of the box. Documentation says easier programming with a "PC04 FTDI Cable", which I didn't order.
*edit according to my amazon history I did order one, must be in the bag of radio stuff, that still doesn't mean I know what to do once I hook them together...
I have a very similar BTech radio, I was also able to use Chirp to program it
Does anyone have a good lead on where to go to sit for the Technician's License, preferably somewhere near The Springs?
I took mine up in Woodland Park. I won't have time to do any research until Tuesday...
O2
Alright, I ordered 3 of the radios, antennas, and a TDFI cable. Not often you can get into a new hobby for around $100.
Search for exams at: http://www.arrl.org/find-an-amateur-radio-license-exam-session
Next one in the Springs: http://www.arrl.org/exam_sessions/colorado-springs-co-80907-11
Thanks for the link. August should give me time to get prepared...
BladesNBarrels
07-16-2019, 16:39
I mentioned to my wife that I had read this thread and thought I better get back into Ham Radio again.
I did it extensively when I wintered over in Antarctica in 1968-1969 with the MARS network relaying messages from us to our families in the States.
We could go over to Scott's Base and make direct radio contact with friends in New Zealand.
Long before satellite communications.
I would go for my General license, but I don't think I know morse code anymore - haven't used it since 1970.
Fentonite
07-16-2019, 17:07
My radios and antennas arrived, still waiting on the cable. Looking forward to learning.
Question: what happens if someone uses certain frequencies without getting licensed? Do authorities actually try to locate and prosecute such villains?
.40isthenew.45
07-16-2019, 17:14
Question: what happens if someone uses certain frequencies without getting licensed? Do authorities actually try to locate and prosecute such villains?
Amateur radio is mostly self policing.... There is a "sport" called "fox hunt" they will find you and they will.... probably do nothing unless you are being a jerk, but it is still far better to be licensed.
I would go for my General license, but I don't think I know morse code anymore - haven't used it since 1970.
No code required for tech or general license... but I do think you have to have a current tech to get the general...
Grant H.
07-16-2019, 17:18
I mentioned to my wife that I had read this thread and thought I better get back into Ham Radio again.
I did it extensively when I wintered over in Antarctica in 1968-1969 with the MARS network relaying messages from us to our families in the States.
We could go over to Scott's Base and make direct radio contact with friends in New Zealand.
Long before satellite communications.
I would go for my General license, but I don't think I know morse code anymore - haven't used it since 1970.
They changed the rules a few years ago such that no licenses require code. Basically they realized that the majority of the code folks are all ~139 years old and most of the upcoming generations didn't want to.
My radios and antennas arrived, still waiting on the cable. Looking forward to learning.
Question: what happens if someone uses certain frequencies without getting licensed? Do authorities actually try to locate and prosecute such villains?
I didn't say this, but... (it's the anonymous internet, right?)
The FCC enforcement division won't give a rat's behind about you playing around. They have much bigger fish to fry (read corporate interests having them pursue license offenses that generate fines, payable to the FCC, to the tune of $10,000/site/day of offense (including retroactively)...)
The FCC relies on repeated complaints of offense before chasing someone down, and that list gets prioritized by potential risk to life, then monetary motives, then when they have time, (which was back in oh, 1803) they go after small potatoes...
My radios and antennas arrived, still waiting on the cable. Looking forward to learning.
Question: what happens if someone uses certain frequencies without getting licensed? Do authorities actually try to locate and prosecute such villains?
I hear that the fines start at $10,000, BUT like .40isthenew.45 was saying, I think you'd have to go out of your way to get yourself into that situation.
To be clear though, this isn't like CB radio where you can act like a normal person and go undetected. The rules require you to announce with your specific call number at certain intervals (it's the same rule that requires radio stations to constantly announce what station you're listening to), so while you can listen, there are very few situations where you could actually broadcast on a channel without breaking the law.
Emergencies are a different case all together.
Grant H.
07-16-2019, 17:26
Amateur radio is mostly self policing.... There is a "sport" called "fox hunt" they will find you and they will.... probably do nothing unless you are being a jerk, but it is still far better to be licensed.
No code required for tech or general license... but I do think you have to have a current tech to get the general...
You're going to have to REALLY piss some of them off to get them to hunt you down.
Fox hunts are great fun, and a great learning tool, but aren't targeted at unlicensed users. I built a "fox" for the BARC Jr club. Used a cheap 2M handheld and a home built timed audio player that played my call sign in code and then transmitted a string of morse code that read "This is a fox hunt, come find me, and win the prize"...
Great fun to hide and then watch the rest of the club go chase it down using their handhelds, directional antennas (or shielding their omni antenna with their body and turning to try and detect the direction it's being transmitted from).
I got told I couldn't hide the fox anymore when I used an extremely directional antenna (home made, very tight, and isolated in all other directions) and bounced the 2M signal off one of the flatirons... The leaders of the club were not happy when they had folks swearing up and down that the radio was up on the flatirons and they needed to drive up there.
Fentonite
07-16-2019, 19:12
I didn't say this, but... (it's the anonymous internet, right?)
The FCC enforcement division won't give a rat's behind about you playing around. They have much bigger fish to fry (read corporate interests having them pursue license offenses that generate fines, payable to the FCC, to the tune of $10,000/site/day of offense (including retroactively)...)
The FCC relies on repeated complaints of offense before chasing someone down, and that list gets prioritized by potential risk to life, then monetary motives, then when they have time, (which was back in oh, 1803) they go after small potatoes...
That?s about what I figured. (Not that I?ll violate any rules, of course)
[Jail]
Vitesse304
07-16-2019, 20:34
Is there a need to purchase the cable for programming if you're just going to use the FRS frequency? I guess I'm asking if they're ready to go right out of the box with FRS frequencies?
You can manually program them just fine without a cable. The cable just makes it easier to do a lot of programming all at once.
Example: With some HAM frequencies, you broadcast at one frequency, but listen at a slightly different one. The settings for the frequency ranges needs to be programmed, then each frequency individually programmed. It's a lot easier to type all the info into a program on the computer and send all the info at once, then it is to go through the motions of entering menus, selecting, confirming, exiting menus, etc. Think of the difference between texting back when you had to push a button three times just to get to a certain letter, compared to just typing on a keyboard.
Don't NEED a cable, but it's easier.
thedave1164
07-17-2019, 05:54
That?s about what I figured. (Not that I?ll violate any rules, of course)
[Jail]
All you need is a Technician license, takes a couple hours of your time and about $15 to get you legal.
There are study resources on the web that have the question pool with the actual questions and actual answers you will have on the test, some are even set up to simulate the test.
You can usually find a test being given every month within driving distance, find out the local ham radio club and inquire.
If you are good at test taking, you could study for the General and even Extra, you can keep testing until you fail :)
.40isthenew.45
07-17-2019, 08:07
Is there a need to purchase the cable for programming if you're just going to use the FRS frequency? I guess I'm asking if they're ready to go right out of the box with FRS frequencies?
If you don't expect to be traveling and/or exceeding the number of memory locations on your radio, you probably won't need to change things very often. Borrowing a cable, or just meeting up with another member to program the radio the first time is a good option. I would offer, but by the time you drive to Pueblo, it may be cheaper (and faster depending on traffic) to just order a cable of your own...
If anyone else needs the use of a cable, I have one for the handhelds and one for the btech mobile that I would gladly make available.
thedave1164
07-17-2019, 09:00
Is there a need to purchase the cable for programming if you're just going to use the FRS frequency? I guess I'm asking if they're ready to go right out of the box with FRS frequencies?
as long as you know what freq the channel you want to use it, you can simply punch in the freq while in VFO mode
DenverGP
07-17-2019, 14:01
A few resources I've been using to study for the technician license:
Older (third edition) of the ARRL manual:
http://w2sbp.weebly.com/uploads/6/5/5/8/6558719/the_arrl_ham_radio_license_manual.pdf
Very concise study guide:
https://www.kb6nu.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/2018-no-nonsense-tech-study-guide-v1-1.pdf
Practice Exams (free registration required):
http://arrlexamreview.appspot.com/index.html
And other practice exam / study site (free registration required):
https://hamstudy.org/
Off topic, but I got sidetracked on CTCSS frequencies. I find conflicting information, which I didn't expect.
Take tone 13. I've found three different frequencies for CTCSS 13:
https://www.ailunce.com/blog/what-are-the-ctcss-and-dcs (97.4)
http://www.repeater-builder.com/tech-info/pl+dpl/kenwood-ctcss.jpg (100.0)
http://missionspec.com/oe/MissionSpec-GMRS-FRS-CheatSheet02.pdf (103.5)
Please don't tell me that different manufactrers decided to use different frequencies (but I think you will :))
O2
I'm in. I bought 4 radios and 1 car radio. USB programming cable, and antenna upgrades.
Thanks for the heads-up on this.
-John
We bought 2 handheld radios and 2 of the QYT base stations. Hopefully the handhelds get here by Friday for camping.
May end up with double the radios before deadline. Some for the truck or house would be nice too.
Off topic, but I got sidetracked on CTCSS frequencies. I find conflicting information, which I didn't expect.
Take tone 13. I've found three different frequencies for CTCSS 13:
https://www.ailunce.com/blog/what-are-the-ctcss-and-dcs (97.4)
http://www.repeater-builder.com/tech-info/pl+dpl/kenwood-ctcss.jpg (100.0)
http://missionspec.com/oe/MissionSpec-GMRS-FRS-CheatSheet02.pdf (103.5)
Please don't tell me that different manufactrers decided to use different frequencies (but I think you will :))
O2
Are you trying to use FRS privacy codes?
I just set mine up without and just use an open channel to talk on. Since I'm code "0" I can hear all the others. If you're trying to talk to other FRS radios, you can set their privacy code to 0.
BladesNBarrels
07-21-2019, 16:27
They changed the rules a few years ago such that no licenses require code. Basically they realized that the majority of the code folks are all ~139 years old and most of the upcoming generations didn't want to.
...
Thanks for the update on the requirements.
I'm not quite that old, but about half way there.
The radio shack on the ship had daily sessions practicing code with others in the fleet to maintain proficiency.
Most communications were exchanged by teletype, but when there were sunspots and interference, we went back to code.
One minor point I would like to make regarding the equipment.
While the Radioddity antennas may work as well as (untested by me) others, the build quality of the ExpertPower antennas is far far superior. They're 2x the cost, available on Amazon , but IMHO, worth it 10x in build quality over the cheaper ones. https://www.amazon.com/ExpertPower-XP-669C-7-5-Inch-Antenna-Baofeng/dp/B008Y2SPE4/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?keywords=Expertpower%2Bantenna&qid=1563908235&s=gateway&sr=8-1-spons&th=1
The ExpertPower has a knurled base that actually fits inside the ring around the antenna connector on the radio.
The Radioddity antennas are poorly finished, crooked, and the base is larger so it runs flush on the outer rim instead of tightening to the connector. I bought 2 each of the 7.5" and 14.5" antennas from both brands. The longer Radioddity antennas came with a plastic/rubber washer that was not installed. One of them is too thick to even use and caught on the circular nut that holds the antenna connector. Took some tricky handwork to get it off.
Just my $.02 and keep in mind I tend to be a gear snob on most anything like this, even if it's cheap stuff.
For anyone that bought the Radioddity DB25 truck radio:
I've programmed it using CHIRP and the selection for the QYT KT-8900D radio as suggested on several sources.
The img file I have (USE AT YOUR OWN PERIL) | Onedrive link here (https://1drv.ms/u/s!AgwMlSh89-jUhscCQUEaSAg9ichcjg?e=tKyHke) | Google Drive link HERE (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hHzukb_mLsbjN5uw_KsH_-gVRRwn2FVi/view?usp=sharing) | includes:
FRS
MURS
GMRS
WX
Marine (select boater channels and CG call channel)
The local stations/freqs provided previously in the thread in an img file for the UV5R+
All my programming is setup to show channel names, and scan all the bands (2x on the handhelds, 3x(less band D) on the truck radio. Be advised, all are running HIGH power (except WX) .
For this radio, I have presets for three channels (FRS13, MURS3, GMRS3) and the WX1PA7 weather channel on fist power up after programming in slots A-B-C-D. I can't figure out a way to lock these for every power up if that's even possible. It's set to scan M+A+B+C with a 15 second transmit response timeout or it rolls back to the A slot. (I think this is how it works: Monitored channel + the others) This keeps the WX channels that are constantly transmitting from being scanned - even though they are set to NOT scan they will lock on if the band is included - they do this in the handhelds I've setup. I also have Duplex=off on the WX channels so you can't transmit on them.
I still don't fully understand all the options settings in either the handheld or truck radio, but they're working well enough for my current needs. We used the FRS channels on the boats last week and everything worked great.
That's what I get for not reading the next page before responding...
When you say "ring mount" does it look like this? (https://www.arcantenna.com/laird-antenex-mb8um-3-4-thru-hole-nmo-mount-vehicular-nmo-antenna-roof-mount-17-ft-rg-58-u-cable-mini-uhf-connector-included.html?gclid=CjwKCAjw36DpBRAYEiwAmVVDMKx88y 6XoN6HgdddZx8Rq-cINPzhCU8gtfAFGp68Ypip1V0Xt4w5XhoC-OIQAvD_BwE)
That is a standard NMO mount, and MANY vehicle antennas for lots of different bands can be had for that mount (very, very common). You can also get them built into a magnetic mount that has a cable attached, so it is removable.
More like this:
https://www.cooltechllc.com/83-large_default/firestik-cb-antenna-kit-no-bracket.jpg
Of course, I ordered the radio with an antenna (7900D), and it has a PL259 base.
I've received my radios, but I'm still waiting on one of the antennas and the cable to connect it to my laptop.
I've turned one of them on, and so far the only thing I've gotten to work is the FM radio and I found a weather station.
I was really surprised at how finely gradated the frequencies are.
I'm trying to do some research prior to programming the radios (haven't received the programming cable yet) and am looking at the programming files you all have supplied (Grant, Brutal) thank you!
Would it be wise to add in repeaters like the Colorado Connection, so I get greater statewide coverage?
https://colcon.org/wp/repeaters/
Assuming so, I will post links to any other networks like this I find, and if ya'll know of good ones please post as well. I don't think I am going to program these things often, so it would be nice to have as complete a list as possible, no?
Also, looking at the program file, for the "Name" field. Can I put in descriptive names like "Breckenridge" or "Breck," or "Boulder," or does it have to be what I assume are Call Letters, like "W0DK?" I assume there are some limits, like number of characters? Is that okay?
Thanks,
-John
There are links in Chirpo to pull files, etc. from many other sources including radioreference.com.
6 characters max in the name field. You can put whatever you want but best to know what call sign/repeater name it is.
I should add my file has the roger beep enabled which is a big nono on HAM. We're just using them for FRS now, so I enabled it.
My file settings also only show "name" on every band. You can get creative and use name in the A slot, Freq in the B slot, etc. for the display. Let me find a good video I found that shows that. Best for the 4 band (monitor) dual bad transmit truck or base stations.
Thanks brutal, I've now watched some of the Chirp Programming YouTube Videos and it's starting to make good sense to me. Still waiting on my programming cable however, but may show up tomorrow based on the tracking.
I'm pleasantly surprised/happy with the battery life on these UV-5r. I started 3 of the 4 I bought (the 4th has an electrical problem, and radioddidity has already issued me a refund for it) playing the weather frequency this morning, and here 11 hours later they are still going strong with the battery indicator still showing two bars. I had charged them once right when I got them, but I thought I would try "training" them/test the battery life to see what I could expect, and I am pleasantly surprised so far. Once I deplete them this one time, I think a full charge and then I'm going to call it good.
Probably going to buy at least one more to replace the one that is not right, and likely I will buy another 3-4 more, as I have friends and family I will likely turn on to these as well.
I am having fun reading up on these, etc. Also reading up on best way to mount the truck radio (DB25) I bought, and will likely also buy a CB Radio and antenna and mount them at the same time.
-John
.40isthenew.45
07-30-2019, 10:56
Anyone got their radios up and running and have their license? I just tried to see if I could raise anyone on the K0JSC http://www.k0jsc.com/ "Fun Machine" I heard myself on broadcastify after a 20 second or so delay and the sound quality was pretty bad. I don't know where in the process it degraded.
If someone is wanting to try theirs, I will be monitoring the frequency for a bit....
I've got my radios up and working, but, like iego, I'm still waiting on the data cable to arrive.
Last night my kid and I played around on the FRS band for a few minutes. Hopefully we'll go out on a hike or something tonight to try them at a longer distance.
I don't have my license yet. I started kicking around with watching some Youtube videos and looking at the HAM Study website, but this is all basically new to me, so I'll be bootstrapping the knowledge from basically zero.
DenverGP
07-31-2019, 14:52
I'll be taking my technician license exam this saturday, I've taken the practice tests over and over, and keep getting 95-100%.
DenverGP
08-03-2019, 13:33
Aced the technician test today. Missed the general test by 2 questions, but I hadn't actually planned to take it and didn't review any of the general license material or practice exams.
Supposedly I should show up in the FCC database by Thursday.
When you posted how well you were doing in the practice tests I was going to suggest testing for the next up. Well done on the performance, but bummer you missed it by two!
DenverGP
08-03-2019, 15:39
I don't really see any need for the general, but I might get it just because. At the current time, I don't plan on any radios beyond my handhelds.
There were 8 people testing today at the location I went to, 7 of them were taking the technician exam, and all of them passed. One guy taking his "extra" but don't think he passed.
I think anyone with a few hours of reviewing the online practice exams would be able to get a passing score on the technician exam.
Interesting coincidence on gunfreezone.com:
https://gunfreezone.net/getting-into-ham-radio/
O2
I got my programming cable in and have been playing with it. I've created a .img and .csv of my current settings and have shared it here. (https://computerroom-my.sharepoint.com/:f:/p/jbs/EguWYWV4fTpEif9EPDgcGwIBQVXGlH0UUtOIIJiGGaRklw?e=R cxtbx)
I have all the FRS, GMRS, MURS and WX frequencies loaded, which amount to 37 of the radio's 128 memory places, and then filled the balance of the places with as many of the RepeaterBook Colorado 2 Meter HAM Repeater Frequencies as would fit (91 repeaters.) I (indiscriminately) deleted entries for cities that had multiple repeaters to make room, but for every city that was listed in RepeaterBook, I left at least one repeater active. Theoretically, this means this list covers every geographic area in Colorado that has one or more 2 meter HAM repeaters in place.
The other thing I did is swap the "comment" field into the "name" field so that it displays the name of the location of the repeater, rather than the call sign. At least in the short term, this seems like a much better way for me to setup my radio, so if I am in the field, say Breckenridge, I can just tune my radio to the station that has the "name" "BRECK." I did do some abbreviations, like Idaho Springs is IS, and Colorado Springs is CS, etc.
I still want to go back and look at the other lists posted here, and make sure that I have good "Front Range Coverage," but overall I am hoping I have enough Front Range Coverage, along with statewide coverage too. If anyone sees any "No Brainer" repeaters that I have left off the list, or other poor choices of repeaters in certain locations that have/had more than one, please let me know.
Finally, I did have a chance to use two of the radios on a hiking/car camp last weekend and they worked splendidly both for the drive out and back (two cars, 6+ hours each way... out by Lake City, CO., single stock battery)
Having a great time with these, and any suggestions, corrections, etc. to my thought processes are welcome. :)
-John
I got my programming cable in and have been playing with it. I've created a .img and .csv of my current settings and have shared it here. (https://computerroom-my.sharepoint.com/:f:/p/jbs/EguWYWV4fTpEif9EPDgcGwIBQVXGlH0UUtOIIJiGGaRklw?e=R cxtbx)
I have all the FRS, GMRS, MURS and WX frequencies loaded, which amount to 37 of the radio's 128 memory places, and then filled the balance of the places with as many of the RepeaterBook Colorado 2 Meter HAM Repeater Frequencies as would fit (91 repeaters.) I (indiscriminately) deleted entries for cities that had multiple repeaters to make room, but for every city that was listed in RepeaterBook, I left at least one repeater active. Theoretically, this means this list covers every geographic area in Colorado that has one or more 2 meter HAM repeaters in place.
The other thing I did is swap the "comment" field into the "name" field so that it displays the name of the location of the repeater, rather than the call sign. At least in the short term, this seems like a much better way for me to setup my radio, so if I am in the field, say Breckenridge, I can just tune my radio to the station that has the "name" "BRECK." I did do some abbreviations, like Idaho Springs is IS, and Colorado Springs is CS, etc.
I still want to go back and look at the other lists posted here, and make sure that I have good "Front Range Coverage," but overall I am hoping I have enough Front Range Coverage, along with statewide coverage too. If anyone sees any "No Brainer" repeaters that I have left off the list, or other poor choices of repeaters in certain locations that have/had more than one, please let me know.
Finally, I did have a chance to use two of the radios on a hiking/car camp last weekend and they worked splendidly both for the drive out and back (two cars, 6+ hours each way... out by Lake City, CO., single stock battery)
Having a great time with these, and any suggestions, corrections, etc. to my thought processes are welcome. :)
-John
Great! Really appreciate you for doing this. Be a good start up for my sons radio.
I got my TDFI cable the other day. Hoping to mess around with Chirp later this week.
Still studying for the test, but this is all new territory for me.
Grant H.
08-08-2019, 22:00
I got my programming cable in and have been playing with it. I've created a .img and .csv of my current settings and have shared it here. (https://computerroom-my.sharepoint.com/:f:/p/jbs/EguWYWV4fTpEif9EPDgcGwIBQVXGlH0UUtOIIJiGGaRklw?e=R cxtbx)
I have all the FRS, GMRS, MURS and WX frequencies loaded, which amount to 37 of the radio's 128 memory places, and then filled the balance of the places with as many of the RepeaterBook Colorado 2 Meter HAM Repeater Frequencies as would fit (91 repeaters.) I (indiscriminately) deleted entries for cities that had multiple repeaters to make room, but for every city that was listed in RepeaterBook, I left at least one repeater active. Theoretically, this means this list covers every geographic area in Colorado that has one or more 2 meter HAM repeaters in place.
The other thing I did is swap the "comment" field into the "name" field so that it displays the name of the location of the repeater, rather than the call sign. At least in the short term, this seems like a much better way for me to setup my radio, so if I am in the field, say Breckenridge, I can just tune my radio to the station that has the "name" "BRECK." I did do some abbreviations, like Idaho Springs is IS, and Colorado Springs is CS, etc.
I still want to go back and look at the other lists posted here, and make sure that I have good "Front Range Coverage," but overall I am hoping I have enough Front Range Coverage, along with statewide coverage too. If anyone sees any "No Brainer" repeaters that I have left off the list, or other poor choices of repeaters in certain locations that have/had more than one, please let me know.
Finally, I did have a chance to use two of the radios on a hiking/car camp last weekend and they worked splendidly both for the drive out and back (two cars, 6+ hours each way... out by Lake City, CO., single stock battery)
Having a great time with these, and any suggestions, corrections, etc. to my thought processes are welcome. :)
-John
Sounds very similar to what I was doing in the write up before being so darn busy...
Thanks for sharing!
DenverGP
08-11-2019, 00:11
Finally showed up on the FCC website. Got my Radioddity GA-5S programmed similar to what Iego described. Programmed the FRS/GMRS/MURS channels, then weather, then about 10 "very close by" repeaters in the 2 meter band. After that, went thru RepeaterBook for all around colorado. When I had multiples for a city, I tried to select the ones that had the most links to other repeaters.
I finally talked to someone today. While out hiking around waterton canyon, was able to hit WB0TUB @ 146.8800 repeater.
Got someone from the Denver Radio League (I think that what the org he said) .
Wasn't sure if I should actually use "CQ CQ CQ"... I just said "any station, this is XXXXXX".
Also I didn't spell out my call sign in phonetic alphabet, not sure if thats common practice or not. I'd assume using the "CQ CQ CQ" and phonetic alphabet is probably more common on CW and other long range weak signal stuff.
My only radio experience before this was as a radio operator for Civil Air Patrol, and I still find it second nature to end every transmission with "over", end the conversation with "out", etc. Not sure how frowned upon those are in the ham world.
The guy I was talking with (I think the callsign was N?PUF, I need to remember to pay better attention to that) said he was at a denver radio league picnic , congratulated me on gettting my license. And said my signal was nice and strong, so I guess the little Radioddity radio is doing good.
Ok, I finally got some free time to mess around with CHIRP. I was able to download and install the Linux version. Getting the radio to talk to the software took a bit of doing, including giving myself admin permissions for the dialout group, but I think I've got it working now.
I installed iego's repeater list, and it looks like it worked!
Now it's time to see what I can find.
Going to Guinea pig this cable and see if it's any good. Kinda hoping it will work with my QYT truck radio as well.
https://www.amazon.com/Mirkit-Baofeng-Programming-Flashing-Radios/dp/B07TKMKDZ6/ref=gwm_tlc_pi?pf_rd_s=blackjack-personal-1&pf_rd_t=Gateway&pf_rd_i=mobile&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=Z201N3S5S97ZYJHAYXM9&pf_rd_p=608ee3fa-bc0f-4174-a3ba-e9dd4600db22&pd_rd_i=B07TKMKDZ6
So last night I got to messing around and managed to pick up a signal from the Cheyenne Mountain repeater.
Kinda cool!
Very cool, for sure!
I need to work on my HAM Technician License per the above so I can get on their channels for $15 and the test.
Just bought another 4 devices (which came much slower than the first four, so maybe demand is ramping up?)
Somebody above suggested we do a "talk group" once we are all in a good place and I think that is a good idea.
-John
Well, that semi-universal cable I got worked just fine with the Boafeng. Haven't tried with the QYT radio yet. Have to find time to mess with it in the truck.
hollohas
08-16-2019, 07:49
I've been quietly following this thread, and darn it, you guys are responsible for me getting yet another budding hobby.
I ordered a couple of the UV-5R Plus handhelds, have been trying to decide which truck radio to buy and my GMRS license came through last night. I plan to take a technician test before the end of the year...hopefully. Schedule pending.
The fun is just getting started. Looking forward to playing with all the programming stuff you all have been discussing. Thanks a lot...
I found that the Linux version of CHIRP is a little bit wonky, it took a minor amount of troubleshooting to get it to work*, but was able to successfully get the radio programmed. I need to get my other two programmed as well.
I've been doing some studying online at hamstudy.org, and that's been helpful, though I don't know how soon I'll be ready to take the test. Some of the questions seem pretty obvious and straightforward, but other ones I have no clue about.
*But this is all part of the fun of Linux, right?!
I've done 3 practice tests...
1st- no study, dont know shit about HAM. 49%
2nd- watched a 1.5 hr youtube video. Barely passed. 74%
3rd- just sat around with a cocktail, 80%
Gonna take a test per day for a few weeks and go get my callsign.
I've done 3 practice tests...
1st- no study, dont know shit about HAM. 49%
2nd- watched a 1.5 hr youtube video. Barely passed. 74%
3rd- just sat around with a cocktail, 80%
Gonna take a test per day for a few weeks and go get my callsign.
Links?
Yea, lazy here busting my ass on computers all week..
DenverGP
08-23-2019, 01:10
from a ways back on this thread:
A few resources I've been using to study for the technician license:
Older (third edition) of the ARRL manual:
http://w2sbp.weebly.com/uploads/6/5/...nse_manual.pdf
Very concise study guide:
https://www.kb6nu.com/wp-content/upl...guide-v1-1.pdf
Practice Exams (free registration required):
http://arrlexamreview.appspot.com/index.html
And other practice exam / study site (free registration required):
https://hamstudy.org/
Links?
Yea, lazy here busting my ass on computers all week..
This is the video I watched.
https://youtu.be/RGluTpM7_K8
Took practice tests off of hamstudy.org and hamexam.org
from a ways back on this thread:
A few resources I've been using to study for the technician license:
Older (third edition) of the ARRL manual:
http://w2sbp.weebly.com/uploads/6/5/...nse_manual.pdf
Very concise study guide:
https://www.kb6nu.com/wp-content/upl...guide-v1-1.pdf
Practice Exams (free registration required):
http://arrlexamreview.appspot.com/index.html
And other practice exam / study site (free registration required):
https://hamstudy.org/
This is the video I watched.
https://youtu.be/RGluTpM7_K8
Took practice tests off of hamstudy.org and hamexam.org
Thanks!
For you more experienced folks: Do reasonably decent antennas exist that could be used for a 25w radio on a truck that aren't tall? I have considered putting a radio in the truck, but dont want to deal with a whip that will get screwed up in a car wash.
There is a certain image that people with 25W HAM radios in their vehicles have, and "car wash" isn't it.
There is a certain image that people with 25W HAM radios in their vehicles have, and "car wash" isn't it.
Takes all the bumper stickers off.
I've been researching antennas for my truck too, and I have pretty much settled on a fender mount like this one (https://www.theantennafarm.com/catalog/ford-f150-f550-2015-2019-ford-expedition-2018-2019-8093).
I've been thinking about two of these, actually, one for each side of the truck. One to run the 25W 2M/70cm? HAM Radio Antenna on, and one (on the other side) to run a CB Radio Antenna to. Both Antennas, plus power, can then be run through the firewall to the actual radio mount, which I am thinking of doing on the center of my dash/console using a bracket like this one. (https://www.builtrightind.com/products/builtright-industries-dash-mount-2015-ford-f-150)
The only other one I am considering is one that mounts behind the third brake light, but as you say, that makes for a mighty tall antenna.
-John
I'm struggling with antenna mounting (on the cheap) with my Dodge.
I have a fender bracket on the driver side for my cb antenna now, but they don't make a mirror copy for the passenger side.
My 3D logic is not very good, but can't you just turn the bracket around and voila, it mounts on the passenger side?
-John
My 3D logic is not very good, but can't you just turn the bracket around and voila, it mounts on the passenger side?
-John
Negative, angled - compound bends due to the curved sides of the hood.
DeadElephant
09-05-2019, 16:03
For you more experienced folks: Do reasonably decent antennas exist that could be used for a 25w radio on a truck that aren't tall? I have considered putting a radio in the truck, but dont want to deal with a whip that will get screwed up in a car wash.
Antenna needs to be matched to freq you plan on using. Assuming 2M and 70cm this is really popular Larsen NMO2/70B. Its about 35".
Any specific recommendations for a decent case?
Something with options to strap/clip onto bino chest rigs, pack frames, etc would be good. I don't think anyone has Mole setup for hunting, mostly just a day/hydration packs.
Looking around on Amz but just not sure.
I'll need to pick up 3-6 so I can hand out radios to all the hunting partners that want to carry them. We're usually never more the FRS distance apart with a few of us up high.
Any specific recommendations for a decent case?
Something with options to strap/clip onto bino chest rigs, pack frames, etc would be good. I don't think anyone has Mole setup for hunting, mostly just a day/hydration packs.
Looking around on Amz but just not sure.
I'll need to pick up 3-6 so I can hand out radios to all the hunting partners that want to carry them. We're usually never more the FRS distance apart with a few of us up high.
Bring the radio with you and check out some of the surplus stores. Something will fit it, and it'll be cheaper price than amz.
I bought these (https://www.amazon.com/abcGoodefg-Multi-Function-Universal-Transceiver-20C-2PACK/dp/B074SCT5MQ/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=B074SCT5MQ&qid=1570059905&s=gateway&sr=8-1) on Amazon and really like them. Nice price/performance ratio.
Edit to add: has the ban been enacted now? I can no longer buy these? (checking :)
-John
The link in the first post to the radios I bought on ebay is now tagged... "out of stock." Looks like the ban is in effect.
-John
DenverGP
10-02-2019, 20:35
Nope, they are still available...
Search amazon or ebay for Baofeng, or for the model number UV-5R, and you'll see them, and still available cheap... Saw one auction for $19 each shipped, but that is shipping via slow-boat from china. A few bucks more gets you the same radio shipped from a supplier here in the us.
We have 4 programmed for emergency use at our remote ranch. Acceptable performance. I am working on a ham license and plan to upgrade eventually.
Can any of you guys point me in the direction of a place that offers training for the ham radio license around Colorado Springs, or within a reasonable driving distance? Like a weekend bootcamp or something similar?
I've been studying the content at Hamtest off and on, but am having a hard time maintaining a schedule or doing it with any regularity. If there's just a place I can go and pay, say, $100 to get it all done in one fell swoop, that would be great.
spqrzilla
01-03-2020, 20:30
Technician class test can be passed with a bit of self study for anyone with an electronics background. Pueblos West club has a weekly class for General license.
https://pwarc.com/events.html
battlemidget
01-03-2020, 20:51
Technician class test can be passed with a bit of self study for anyone with an electronics background. Pueblos West club has a weekly class for General license.
https://pwarc.com/events.html
This.
I got my first ham ticket when I was 19. Don't delay getting into the hobby, there are alot of different aspects; voice, data, hf, vhf, sat, dstar, aprs I can't even keep up with it all.
I've had my eye on https://www.verotelecom.com/VERO-VR-N7500-50W-Dual-Band-Mobile-Radio-With-APP-Programming-p541441.html It's a mobile that uses a smartphone interface.
Supposedly they're coming out with an HT version after the Chinese New Year (end of Jan).
Technician class test can be passed with a bit of self study for anyone with an electronics background. Pueblos West club has a weekly class for General license.
https://pwarc.com/events.html
I've been doing self-study, but, frankly, nothing focuses my attention quite like having to drop $100-$200 on a class to learn something.
clodhopper
02-11-2020, 18:06
The test isn't magically hard. In fact, most of the flash card type study aids available are the exact questions off the test. If you have even a reasonable short term memory, you can read through the questions the night before and pass the test the next day. You wont really have learned anything useful doing that, but it does get you through the test.
http://www.arrl.org/question-pools
I logged back in to Hamstudy yesterday and found that you can sort the practice questions by subsection, which makesit much easier to practice, rather than just trying to go through all of the questions in a random order.
Going through the material by subsection makes it easier to make sense of each topic. Kind of obvious, I know.
SSChameleon
02-13-2020, 13:12
QRZ.com has practice exams under the resources tab. You can make an account for free. Take them over and over until you are scoring high enough to pass. This is the fastest and easiest way to pass the exam.
The downside is you don’t learn all the electronics or practical knowledge a formal class would teach you, so this is for those of us who want the license to use the radios for communication only.
powerstroke79
06-09-2020, 19:49
Late to the party. Cb radio in the jeep failed, so I was thinking about getting a uv-5r plus. Anyone have any input on using a fma to bnc adapter to uhf for antenna on my jeep. I was thinking about leaving the bnc adapter on the radio then using a bnc export power antenna when not in the jeep. My thinking is the least amount of screwing the antenna on and off the fma the less chances of damaging the radio. More newbie questions to come.
battlemidget
06-09-2020, 22:06
I'm not familiar with FMA and google wasn't helpful. Usually, CB installations are done with 18' of coax, which isn't necessary with vhf/uhf. Generally, HTs make poor mobile replacements. In my humble opinion, get a true mobile gmrs/frs radio. Midland makes one, and there are others. Every adapter has some loss, so stacking adapters really isn't ideal.
But, for wheeling I think you should stick with the CB. Channel 4 is still the goto in 4wheel parks and and CB is still widely used at big events. Plus, you can talk to the big trucks on channel 19. I had a vhf/uhf and CB in my jeep, and I used CB a whole lot more than anything else.
Would this be a good start, or should I be looking at newer models?
AMAZON 5 PACK (https://www.amazon.com/BaoFeng-UV-5R-Dual-Band-Baofeng-Programming/dp/B00E4GTY3K/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8)
https://www.amazon.com/BaoFeng-UV-5R-Dual-Band-Baofeng-Programming/dp/B00E4GTY3K/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8
ETA: This is what hung me up both previous times I started this process... Too many damned choices, and not enough knowledge.
Would this be a good start, or should I be looking at newer models?
AMAZON 5 PACK (https://www.amazon.com/BaoFeng-UV-5R-Dual-Band-Baofeng-Programming/dp/B00E4GTY3K/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8)
https://www.amazon.com/BaoFeng-UV-5R-Dual-Band-Baofeng-Programming/dp/B00E4GTY3K/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8
ETA: This is what hung me up both previous times I started this process... Too many damned choices, and not enough knowledge.
I have that radio. Looking back, it would have been nice to have the 8w Baofeng, and waterproof, but for the money, the UV-5R cant really be beat.
I have that radio. Looking back, it would have been nice to have the 8w Baofeng, and waterproof, but for the money, the UV-5R cant really be beat.
So the 8w upgrade uv-5r+hp (or whatever the model is/are) or the uv-82's? Only $6 bucks more for a 5-pak of UV-82's.
battlemidget
06-16-2020, 13:29
The UV82s UV5Rs are nice radios, but the handmike connectors are not waterproof. I think they're great radios and would buy either if I needed a new radio.
Great-Kazoo
09-01-2020, 21:37
Not wandering through the last year so. It this is a repost for the link, ask mods to delete. Thanks.
here's a starting link for the Baofeng radio, setting up operation. For those not dialed in, yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyHwAq7w9QE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyHwAq7w9QE
Bump to this thread. Never got heavy into it as a group of 1 doesn't need a radio. But I ended up approached by a group of neighbors hoping to organize disaster response for the area including unrest.
Was trying to figure out what might be a good option for around 10 people in a square mile. Not sure if consumer grade walkie talkies might be cheaper than baofengs and also avoid needing to try and get people to get the gm whatever operator liscence.
Bump to this thread. Never got heavy into it as a group of 1 doesn't need a radio. But I ended up approached by a group of neighbors hoping to organize disaster response for the area including unrest.
Was trying to figure out what might be a good option for around 10 people in a square mile. Not sure if consumer grade walkie talkies might be cheaper than baofengs and also avoid needing to try and get people to get the gm whatever operator liscence.
Don't need a license to transmit during an "emergency"
The consumer grade stuff at wally world isn't going to do a mile in a suburb.
battlemidget
09-17-2020, 13:31
Fitz, you can get decent frs/gmrs radios in hunting supply stores, usually <100 per pair. You want the ones that claim a 35 mile range, they should be adequate for the 1sq mile area.
Keep in mind that those radios are not scambled and anyone can listen in. Those privacy codes are just 'squelch openers', not really any sort of privacy other than you don't have to listen to people that are using a different squelch code.
Generally speaking, you can count on 1 mile per watt with vhf/uhf handheld radios. Alot of those very inexpensive radios only radiate 500mw, or half a watt. Good for kids at the park and things like that.
Here's a fancy chart that explains some differences better than I can
https://midlandusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Midland-Frequency-Channel-Chart.jpg
Free testing and license.
Cool. Too bad it's so super secret you couldn't post a link to where other members of the board could avail themselves of such a deal.
Sorry, sarcasm, but I really wish people would post links to places or items they talk about, especially if they don't even give a name...
O2
thedave1164
09-17-2020, 16:50
I have a BNIB Baofeng UV-5R that I will give to someone that does not have a radio and has recently gotten their Ham license, or gets their license.
The tech license is a few hours of study/memorization and a test that you pay about $15 to take.
I have tested and programmed the radio.
powerstroke79
09-17-2020, 17:39
Cool. Too bad it's so super secret you couldn't post a link to where other members of the board could avail themselves of such a deal.
Sorry, sarcasm, but I really wish people would post links to places or items they talk about, especially if they don't even give a name...
O2
Passed my Tech test last Saturday. Testing free, if you pass you get a free membership for one year
http://ppraa.org/ve-testing
powerstroke79
09-17-2020, 17:48
Bump to this thread. Never got heavy into it as a group of 1 doesn't need a radio. But I ended up approached by a group of neighbors hoping to organize disaster response for the area including unrest.
Was trying to figure out what might be a good option for around 10 people in a square mile. Not sure if consumer grade walkie talkies might be cheaper than baofengs and also avoid needing to try and get people to get the gm whatever operator liscence.
https://www.radioddity.com/products/baofeng-uv-5r-5-pack-cable?variant=27895216767059
Have not used this web site so do your research. 5 radios and programing cable for $100 Shipped
We got our Baofengs from radioddity's ebay store
Grant H.
09-17-2020, 18:49
Radioddity is good to go.
They have private labeled some stuff, and they resell good radios and antenna's.
I have bought more than a few radios and antenna's from radioddity.
Radioddity is good to go.
They have private labeled some stuff, and they resell good radios and antenna's.
I have bought more than a few radios and antenna's from radioddity.
Not a fan of their antennas. Prefer the Expert Power. A little more, but better built IMHO.
I have a BNIB Baofeng UV-5R that I will give to someone that does not have a radio and has recently gotten their Ham license, or gets their license.
The tech license is a few hours of study/memorization and a test that you pay about $15 to take.
I have tested and programmed the radio.
I would take you up on that. I've been looking for the motivation to fully jump in...
Grant H.
09-19-2020, 17:21
Not a fan of their antennas. Prefer the Expert Power. A little more, but better built IMHO.
Interesting. I've never had a problem with them. They are reselling private labeled Nagoya antennas, which are well liked in the ham radio world.
Now I'm curious. Just bought a couple and will put them on the network analyzer.
Interesting. I've never had a problem with them. They are reselling private labeled Nagoya antennas, which are well liked in the ham radio world.
Now I'm curious. Just bought a couple and will put them on the network analyzer.
They seem to perform fine, just terrible fit and finish. The expert Power are so much nicer (and more $).
thedave1164
09-20-2020, 13:57
I would take you up on that. I've been looking for the motivation to fully jump in...
Sure, just let me know :)
Sure, just let me know :)
Much appreciated! My grandfather passed almost a decade ago ago now and one of his great passions was amateur radio. While I didn’t have the capacity to take in his equipment when it needed to find a home, I did inherit his course materials, books, etc. I dug out the technicians handbook and took the home study this weekend so I plan on taking the test online within the next week or two. From what I’ve gathered, he was more interested in the shortwave/HF stuff...but I figured getting my toes wet in at least the 2M/70cm bands would be a good start to honoring his memory.
battlemidget
09-21-2020, 06:43
@esizer, I'm sorry for your loss. Once you get your ticket and get acquainted with the gear, I suggest you buy a new handheld radio for vhf/uhf. There are so many features on new radios, even stuff that's 10 years old seems like a dinosaur. HF is alot of fun, but keep in mind that we're still near the bottom of a solar cycle, it won't be 'good' for a few years.
@esizer, I'm sorry for your loss. Once you get your ticket and get acquainted with the gear, I suggest you buy a new handheld radio for vhf/uhf. There are so many features on new radios, even stuff that's 10 years old seems like a dinosaur. HF is alot of fun, but keep in mind that we're still near the bottom of a solar cycle, it won't be 'good' for a few years.
I appreciate the condolences and thank you for the tip on the HF band/solar cycle correlation. I have my technician's exam scheduled for tomorrow at 4 PM.
I passed my technician's exam with a 34/35 [Beer]
thedave1164
09-22-2020, 19:22
I passed my technician's exam with a 34/35 [Beer]
Congrats!
I have a radio with your name on it :)
Congrats!
I have a radio with your name on it :)
Again, very much appreciated. I'll send you a private message to coordinate logistics. I also got my call sign assigned today (that was quick).
battlemidget
09-24-2020, 08:46
Congrats on the ticket!
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201014/aff61ed0d691e3d6a4ebd32073605027.jpg
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FromMyColdDeadHand
10-25-2020, 15:33
I've gone through the thread over a few days, but is there a FAQ post?
I saw a lot of posts and videos about legality and Baefong radios, is that all settled??
I'm looking to be able to use radios for general use and even use on the range. My thought is to learn how to use them and get certified along with my son. The idea is maybe over a school break watch some of the training videos and use some of the training tools to get ready for the test. Thought about over Thanksgiving since we don't have plans, but the boy might have school work. If not then over Christmas.
With no radio or electronics experience, how much time (I know it will be variable) to study for the test? Best training videos/tools?
Where to take the test? I saw these links:
http://ppraa.org/ve-testing
http://w0eno.org/
Live in Denver, is there online testing?
Gear (It's all about the gear ;) ) With Christmas coming up, I thought I could tie this into some Xmas presents for the boy.
Don't need to go cheap, but don't need the 'Knights' version.
Looking for the radios and accessories (cables?) to make it all work.
Looking to use them as standard radios, but also as headsets. Getting tired of yelling at the range, on-line and also when setting up steel. Even noise cancelling can only help on-line so much.
How do you set up headphones? Son has a set of Peltor MT15H68FB-02 headphones, I don't have any that are comm ready.
I guess this is a pretty big question. Cables, headphones, switches and inter-options.
Also, I'd like to support local radio shop stores if possible.
Thanks.
powerstroke79
10-27-2020, 20:22
Looking for some input on mini mobile radios. Less than $120 25w-50w. I have been looking at the QYT KT-8900D, Radioddity DB25,Btech UV-50X2 or UV-25X2. Want radio to be chirp compatible. I found Chirp to be very easy to use on the baofeng ht radio when programming. I mounted a Ed fong antenna on the house and want a little more power out put then the Ht.
I've gone through the thread over a few days, but is there a FAQ post?
I saw a lot of posts and videos about legality and Baefong radios, is that all settled??
I'm looking to be able to use radios for general use and even use on the range. My thought is to learn how to use them and get certified along with my son. The idea is maybe over a school break watch some of the training videos and use some of the training tools to get ready for the test. Thought about over Thanksgiving since we don't have plans, but the boy might have school work. If not then over Christmas.
With no radio or electronics experience, how much time (I know it will be variable) to study for the test? Best training videos/tools?
Where to take the test? I saw these links:
http://ppraa.org/ve-testing
http://w0eno.org/
Live in Denver, is there online testing?
Gear (It's all about the gear ;) ) With Christmas coming up, I thought I could tie this into some Xmas presents for the boy.
Don't need to go cheap, but don't need the 'Knights' version.
Looking for the radios and accessories (cables?) to make it all work.
Looking to use them as standard radios, but also as headsets. Getting tired of yelling at the range, on-line and also when setting up steel. Even noise cancelling can only help on-line so much.
How do you set up headphones? Son has a set of Peltor MT15H68FB-02 headphones, I don't have any that are comm ready.
I guess this is a pretty big question. Cables, headphones, switches and inter-options.
Also, I'd like to support local radio shop stores if possible.
Thanks.
Also interested in much of the same info. I'd like to get licensed, but want to get the right "stuff" in advance of that and it's a bit difficult to figure out what's the best to buy in advance, being mostly clueless about the best bands to be using, etc. I do understand the programming end at least, and expanding some of the options from that. Looking for waterproof, reasonable, 8w or better radios, that can use earpieces with a decent battery life. I'm assuming nothing can bluetooth, but even wired earpieces+mic would be nice if the connections can tolerate being wet. Mostly for SHTF coordination/comms if other networks go down, I want to be able to communicate reasonably quietly, but also keep an ear free. Do these have the same kind of audio input/output as for instance, a cell, or do you have to buy specific equipment?
ChadAmberg
10-31-2020, 16:02
Also interested in much of the same info. I'd like to get licensed, but want to get the right "stuff" in advance of that and it's a bit difficult to figure out what's the best to buy in advance, being mostly clueless about the best bands to be using, etc. I do understand the programming end at least, and expanding some of the options from that. Looking for waterproof, reasonable, 8w or better radios, that can use earpieces with a decent battery life. I'm assuming nothing can bluetooth, but even wired earpieces+mic would be nice if the connections can tolerate being wet. Mostly for SHTF coordination/comms if other networks go down, I want to be able to communicate reasonably quietly, but also keep an ear free. Do these have the same kind of audio input/output as for instance, a cell, or do you have to buy specific equipment?
You are a thousand times better off with a decent antenna and 2 watts than getting an 8 watt radio using the stock antenna. Every doubling of the power output only gives you a 3 decibel boost in the received power which is barely detectable. Testing the actual output of the 8w handhelds basically say: Not worth looking at.
Baofengs are the radio equivalent of Kel-Tec, Taurus, or even Jimenez. They work of course, though quality control on them isn't the best, the design is kind of questionable, and it can cause problems for it's users. But just like those brands, it's hard to beat the price. So as long as you realize what you're buying, that's fine. They're not the easiest to use or program compared to Icom or Yaesu. Long term reliability? Remains to be seen. But you can buy 4-5 of these for the price of a Yaesu.
Hey fellas, I just broke all my radio crap back out after several years of disuse and also ordered several of the new 8w Baofengs. Is there any consensus on best whip and car antennas? I'm already using 15" whips, but I have no idea how good or bad they might be.
A guy up here local to me is suggesting these three, but I don't know how much testing he's done.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KC4PWQQ/?coliid=I2M1T2OSNZEEIF&colid=9OO5YD684FT8&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B086YSGWBP/?coliid=I370GL8E0RW49O&colid=9OO5YD684FT8&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B016SIJX28/?coliid=I1BR70G1D09T3N&colid=9OO5YD684FT8&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
BTW, I'm monitoring the MARC and Colorado Connection at my desk if anyone wants to call. I could use the practice. KD0ZFB
My connection to CC is shaky. MARC is solid.
gnihcraes
11-11-2020, 17:27
Which MARC repeater? Several are listed on website. I'm guessing woodland park?
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Correct. If I understand correctly, the MARC repeaters are interconnected. Maybe I’m confusing that with Colorado Connection. It’s been six years since I turned a radio on, I’m fuzzy on the details.
StagLefty
11-11-2020, 22:13
I've been watching this thread for awhile now and thinking of jumping into this radio hobby as we approach winter.
I'm considering the Baofeng UV-82HP as I've seen it in action on quite a few you tube channels. Any feedback on this model ?
I only need one and I'll probably set it up as a scanner until I decide if I want to proceed into the whole ham radio arena.
Thanks for any feedback.
battlemidget
11-12-2020, 09:31
Hey fellas....
Tim, I just gave you call on Colorado Connection, no luck so I'll mention here that I've had that Nagoya HT whip antenna for >10 years, awesome antenna. Generally speaking, Nagoya is well regarded and is considered great bang for the buck.
On the 'tape' antennas, I suggest you get the longest one you can find and add a gooseneck. Look on Amazon for 'HYS Gooseneck' and you'll find them reasonably priced.
Baofeng's use "SMA female" as the antenna connector.
Sorry I missed your call. I thought I heard it, but I had two people going in my ear at the time. Try again if you like or let me know your call sign. I'll look into the antenna.
What do you think of this one? 31" long.
https://www.amazon.com/HYS-Gooseneck-Tactical-Antenna-31-Inch/dp/B07QV14XTH/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=HYS+Gooseneck&qid=1605200320&sr=8-2
battlemidget
11-12-2020, 12:25
Keep in mind it's 31" with the gooseneck. I have the 31" and it's a little deaf when folded, but from a practical point of view, it's an easy fix when you're "out of comms" to just unfurl the antenna.
FromMyColdDeadHand
12-25-2020, 22:20
So I got two Uv-82hp radios. If I just wanted to use them as walk-talkies around the hood, how would I do that? Just looking for a quick win before delving into ham radio classes.
DenverGP
12-26-2020, 12:52
While not technically legal, you could use them on one of the FRS frequencies.. I say not technically legal because the baofengs are not certified for use on FRS/GMRS frequencies.
The FRS freqs are unlicensed and used mostly for playing around, so I doubt anyone would notice. Even then, I wouldn't use it for commercial purposes, as I've seen descriptions of FCC tracking down and taking legal action against businesses using unlicensed frequencies.
streetglideok
12-27-2020, 22:47
Shocked there isn’t more chatter after the Nashville bombing knocking out a lot of comms over the weekend
Amazon may require a license to purchase Baofeng radios starting second quarter 2021.
Unsure if this is aimed at the seller, who is NOT required to have a license to sell the radios - so that makes no sense - or the final purchaser.
https://sellercentral.amazon.com/forums/t/action-required-for-radio-frequency-device-listings-on-amazon-com/781188
O2
DenverGP
02-26-2021, 18:14
Amazon may require a license to purchase Baofeng radios starting second quarter 2021.
The seller will have to provide the FCC certification information before being able to list the item on amazon
Funny thing is, the Baofengs do have an FCC certification number for Part 90 (commercial use). They are not Part 95 certified, so they are not legal to operate on the FMRS / GMRS. So the Baofengs will not disappear off amazon due to this.
From the amazon link:
in order to create new listings or update existing listings of radio frequency devices you will need to fill in the FCC Radio Frequency Emission Compliance attribute. In the attribute, you must do one of the following:
Provide evidence of Federal Communications Commission (FCC) authorization – either an FCC certification number or contact information for the Responsible Party, as defined by the FCC.
or certify that the product is exempt from FCC requirements.
funkymonkey1111
02-27-2021, 08:58
Amazon may require a license to purchase Baofeng radios starting second quarter 2021.
Unsure if this is aimed at the seller, who is NOT required to have a license to sell the radios - so that makes no sense - or the final purchaser.
https://sellercentral.amazon.com/forums/t/action-required-for-radio-frequency-device-listings-on-amazon-com/781188
O2
Where do you get that Amazon would possibly require a license to purchase a radio from that link?
Where do you get that Amazon would possibly require a license to purchase a radio from that link?
In all honesty, I don't see the text that implied that anymore...
Took me a couple weeks to re-find the link to the announcement and I didn't re-read it.
O2
Zombie post
It has come to my attention that the baofeng radios coming out now (at least the uv5r) are locked out from transmitting on GMRS and MURS frequencies. While it is illegal to transmit on these without an approved radio during normal times, it is nice to be able to transmit on whatever you need to in an emergency.
To fix it, turn the radio off, press and hold the PTT, monitor, and VFO/MR buttons, then power on while holding them.If you were locked, you should see "factory" on the boot screen.
battlemidget
02-01-2022, 09:18
FYI the gmrs license fee is supposedly dropping to $35 this year (from $70).
FYI the gmrs license fee is supposedly dropping to $35 this year (from $70).
Still illegal to use a baofeng on it
Not that I'm snitchin
hollohas
02-01-2022, 19:58
Still illegal to use a baofeng on it
Not that I'm snitchinWhy would it be illegal to use a particular brand if you're licensed?
Grant H.
02-01-2022, 20:01
Why would it be illegal to use a particular brand if you're licensed?
The radio hardware isn't licensed/certified for use on those bands.
Not only do you the operator have to have a license for operations, but the radio has to be tested/certified/licensed for use on those bands in the US.
As an example, you have LOTS of devices that are known to broadcast RF that have a label that says something along the lines of "this device complies with part 15 (insert other part as necessary for device, band, etc) of the FCC reg's". Your wifi router operates in the ISM band, which does NOT require YOU to have a license, but it has to "licensed"/tested/registered with the FCC before it can be sold in the US.
FYI the gmrs license fee is supposedly dropping to $35 this year (from $70).
Wasn't it approved for reduction 2 years ago and has been "supposed to go into effect" for about that long now? I guess the FCC is lacking manpower or a contractor to update the website and payment processor.
Why would it be illegal to use a particular brand if you're licensed?
Same reason you can't pipe 100w over FRS bands.
Because the government says so.
battlemidget
02-02-2022, 07:19
Wasn't it approved for reduction 2 years ago and has been "supposed to go into effect" for about that long now? I guess the FCC is lacking manpower or a contractor to update the website and payment processor.
Yes. Also, FCC approved F3E (FM as it’s commonly known) for use on CB.
https://cbradiomagazine.com/fcc-approves-fm-for-usa-cb-radios/
hollohas
02-10-2022, 15:40
The radio hardware isn't licensed/certified for use on those bands.
Not only do you the operator have to have a license for operations, but the radio has to be tested/certified/licensed for use on those bands in the US.
As an example, you have LOTS of devices that are known to broadcast RF that have a label that says something along the lines of "this device complies with part 15 (insert other part as necessary for device, band, etc) of the FCC reg's". Your wifi router operates in the ISM band, which does NOT require YOU to have a license, but it has to "licensed"/tested/registered with the FCC before it can be sold in the US.
Someone going to have to explain this a bit more to me, because I'm slow. You're telling me, that an entire BRAND is not FCC Certified?
And if you're not talking about the entire brand but just one device, which one are you referencing as not being FCC Certified to operate on GMRS frequencies?
For example, the UV-5R which is typically what people are talking about when referring to Baofeng and the subject of this thread, is FCC certified as a portable transceiver on 136-174MHZ/400-480MHZ, FCC Identifier ZP5BF-5R. Last I checked, 462MHz and 467MHz were in that range. And you can absolutely set the wattage to operate within the FCC permitted power range for GMRS.
Did they revoke that authorization or am I misunderstanding?
I just this minute downloaded this from the FCC OET website...
89418
Someone going to have to explain this a bit more to me, because I'm slow. You're telling me, that an entire BRAND is not FCC Certified?
And if you're not talking about the entire brand but just one device, which one are you referencing as not being FCC Certified to operate on GMRS frequencies?
For example, the UV-5R which is typically what people are talking about when referring to Baofeng and the subject of this thread, is FCC certified as a portable transceiver on 136-174MHZ/400-480MHZ, FCC Identifier ZP5BF-5R. Last I checked, 462MHz and 467MHz were in that range. And you can absolutely set the wattage to operate within the FCC permitted power range for GMRS.
Did they revoke that authorization or am I misunderstanding?
I just this minute downloaded this from the FCC OET website...
89418
Who fucking cares?
gnihcraes
02-10-2022, 18:26
Power output isn't restricted on this radio for certain bands. 5 watts for the radio but that isn't limited in the radio for gmrs or frs.
Also narrow or wide signal I beleive too.
Technicalities of it.
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hollohas
02-10-2022, 19:37
Ah, for FRS CH 8-14 you mean? I can see that since the low power on a UV-5R is 1W and those are limited to 0.5W. But wouldn't that make all GMRS radios illegal? Because every one that I have used allows those channels to be programmed to transmit at higher wattage. All of them depend on the operator using them properly. (Same thing as the legal operation of these particular radios depending on unlicensed users only transmitting on low power even though the radio can transmit on high.)
So is it then only illegal transmit on those particular channels with this radio? All other GMRS frequencies are 5W or 50W which this radio falls within.
So I'm still curious if someone can explain exactly why it would be illegal to use a baofeng on GMRS altogether. Someone said it's because it's not FCC certified and that's not it. What else is it then?
gnihcraes
02-10-2022, 19:52
Gmrs wide band and frs narrow it seems. Uv5r can do either but most likely the user isn't going to bother with it. Or maybe because it is programmable, the fcc won't type accept them for it? vs the gmrs or frs radios are not programmable for such settings. Fixed to narrow or wide etc.
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hollohas
02-10-2022, 20:40
Ok, so I had to do some digging to get some more specific information.
The ARRL said this about the revised Part 95 rules.
existing GMRS/FRS radios that operate above that power level (2W) will be reclassified as GMRS devices, requiring an individual license.
That makes it seem the UV-5R would simply be reclassified. But still a bit vague. So I pulled up the specific rules
FCC Part 95, Subpart E ? 95.1761
(c) No GMRS transmitter will be certified for use in the GMRS if it is equipped with a frequency capability not listed in ? 95.1763 [462MHz and 476MHz] unless such transmitter is also certified for use in another radio service for which the frequency is authorized and for which certification is also required. No GMRS transmitter will be certified for use in the GMRS if it is equipped with the capabilities to operate in services that do not require equipment certification, such as the Amateur Radio Service. All frequency determining circuitry (including crystals) and programming controls in each GMRS transmitter must be internal to the transmitter and must not be accessible from the exterior of the transmitter operating panel or from the exterior of the transmitter enclosure.
(d) Effective December 27, 2017, the Commission will no longer issue a grant of equipment authorization for hand-held portable unit transmitter types under both this subpart (GMRS) and subpart B of this part (FRS).
So, there it is. They will "no longer" issue authorization for radios like the UV-5R.
But I can't find anywhere that says they revoked it from existing units and the ARRL says the existing device would just be reclassified.
So, as usual, the government rules are clear as mud.
Not a total loss, at least I learned something today.
kpp80202
09-22-2022, 07:06
Zombie post
It has come to my attention that the baofeng radios coming out now (at least the uv5r) are locked out from transmitting on GMRS and MURS frequencies. While it is illegal to transmit on these without an approved radio during normal times, it is nice to be able to transmit on whatever you need to in an emergency.
To fix it, turn the radio off, press and hold the PTT, monitor, and VFO/MR buttons, then power on while holding them.If you were locked, you should see "factory" on the boot screen.
Is this all it takes to “unlock” a UV-5r?
If I put my way back hat on; some of the limitations of which radio could be allowed to support GMRS/MURS was that the radio must have a non-removable antenna....
If I was to play with the GMRS/MURS community I would pick up a dedicated radio for such support...mostly because those radios are cheap...cheap I tell ya. I remember seeing some prices at 60 dollars for a 2 pack of what looked to be an all weather radio.
If I needed an all-in-one radio - I would look hard at maybe the digital / analog style radio that would let me setup groups that make accessing those areas with the appropriate settings match the standards. While the radio would not be approved of such use for transmitting; it would allow the one device to be used in an emergency.
Is this all it takes to “unlock” a UV-5r?
Yes
kpp80202
09-22-2022, 14:15
Yes
Thank you!
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