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Would it be possible to buy a sear (for like an M16) and drop it into a Ar-15 to make it full auto? I really don't know and am just curious. If it is possible, what is paperwork process? Also, does one need to machine a new stop and stuff for the selector switch? I really don't know... sry.
GreenScoutII
11-23-2009, 21:03
No new machine guns for civilians after May, 1986. You can still get something made before this date with the proper paperwork etc.
As far as I know, any full auto parts are considered a machine gun, even if they are not installed.
Big fines and prison terms for violations.
I looked into this myself and gave up on the idea.
Backinblackrifles
11-23-2009, 21:13
No it would need a new hole for the auto sear the "block" in the lower would need too be milled out and the bolts are not the same. this varies from make to make and year to year but you can get in trouble for having an M-16 auto bolt even if every thing else is "AR" or if you have any other M-16 components such as the selector switch, sear, having the extra hole in you lower, having the step milled out or any combination there of. And probably some I am forgetting.
Step one Find a transferable NFA M16.
Step two go to the bank and take a big loan....$20k should be enough to buy am m16...transfer to SOT
Step three Form 4 transfer....wait for at least 4 months if not longer
Step four If approved goto dealer get your gun
Step 5 take second loan to buy ammo
Step 6 Brag to your friends...I know I would if I could drop that much coin
So the parts are not interchangable. I knew that I could not get a "new" machine gun (anything after '86) but I wasn't sure whether I could "build" something from after that year.
Okay, another question. Isn't the AR platform modeled after the M-16, etc series? Why wouldn't a drop in sear or simple varient work? I guess I really just need to google an AR schematic and figure it out myself....
Yeah, I don't have an AR, yet. I certainly don't have 20K to drop on a full auto (If I had that much, I'd be paying off student loans a hell of a lot quicker). Just a dream/want I've always had since my dad took me to the "family day" thing in the military when I was a kid (like 8 years old, lol) and got to shoot all the fun toys, even the .50 off an Abrams! YAY!!
Go to one of the big machinegun shoots next spring, and you can rent and shoot mg's to your heart's content. http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/smilies/happy.gif That'll cost you enough money to make you re-think ownership, at least it did for me. I've never seen cash fly outta my hands so fast in my life. But stay away from the minigun, or you'll be eating Ramen noodles for a month. http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/smilies/killersmiley.gif
lol, rondog. You ain't the first person to say that... lol. Like I said (or maybe I didn't), I would be totally content with an AR. The MG is just a daydream/fantasy/(insert own vocabulary here). Still working on getting my wife a G26 for her CCW. Times are tight right now, lol. She said, "Don't you dare buy me a pinky, girlie, sissy looking gun! I want one like yours, just smaller." lol. I love my wife.
Btw, rondog, great icons, lol. The top guy looks like he's having trouble holding on! lol.
Lightning Link. Look them up.
Googled... it's illegal. If I'm gonna dream, at least I'll dream obeying the law, lol.
Google again, because it is not illegal. A bunch of lightening links were made before May of '86. You need to check a reliable source like silencer talk, or subguns.net or something. No where like Arf.com.
I don't want to tell you much about it though, because it should be up to you if you want to spend $5,000 + on a piece of metal roughly the size of a shotgun choke tool.
EDIT: I googled them to, just to see what you came across. I'm not talking about manufacturing a new one. There were many made and registered before 1986 that are legal to transfer and use. The first link on Google that shows what they look like and how they work is correct, but not worded in a way that explains how one can legally be obtained. The second link that is a forum discussion is a dummy asking a stupid question, and being answered by more dummies. lol
You can get one, it just needs to be registered pre May '86. If you find one and are suspicious of it, come and ask here. There are at least five guys on here that have a solid understanding of the laws (some of which are dealers) that can help you out and point you in the right direction.
I came in here again because I think I came off as a jerk. Sorry if I did, I don't mean to. I'm certainly having a bad day, but it isn't your fault. ;)
5K for a little piece of metal?!?!? I think I'll pass... for now. I think I just need to concentrate on getting an AR15 and tons of ammo... After that, I'll start thinking about other things.
Don't worry about sounding like a jerk Sturtle, cause it did not come off that way to me. Just remember, "there are no stupid questions, just a LOT of inquisitive idiots!" HA. Sometimes I do ask stupid questions, or I'm in a hurry but something pops in my head and I don't want to do the research so I pop on for a quick anwer, etc.
On a sidenote. Anyone know where there is a longer than 200 yard range in the Springs area? ... and, is it standard practice to shoot at a regular (8.5x11) piece of paper at long range? I can still place all shots on the target (6x6 on regular paper) at 200 yards, but it's not a tight group (at least 2 inch variances)... Some can be attributed to ammo (cheap bear stuff) but mostly it's just cause I suck. I would really like to try some longer range stuff. I only have a .308 though so I think I'm looking for something between 600-800 yrds.
Anyone know where there is a longer than 200 yard range in the Springs area?
Pueblo West or Frontier South. Both are private clubs.
All class III questions sound silly, because there is so little correct info out there, that people don't have a good grasp on what is legal or not, so they don't know if what they are asking is ridiculous or not. You can do exactly what you asked, and do it legally. For $5,000 you can get a full auto Mac, and probably even put a suppressor on it as well.
Sorry, I don't know the answers to your other questions though. Probably Ben Lomand Gun Club, I think it is south, but don't remember off the top of my head.
Pueblo West or Frontier South. Both are private clubs.
Private as part of the "Good 'le boy" network and must pay $40 to spend a few hours there?... no thanks. I'll stick with what I have then. Don't think I've ever take a practical shot farther than 200 yrds anyways... that I can think of.
Private as part of the "Good 'le boy" network and must pay $40 to spend a few hours there?... no thanks.
No. Private as you have to be a member of the NRA and willing to spend a whopping $54 a year for 365 days a year access.
But like you said, no thanks. Guess you wont need a contact phone number after all.
Getting membership to Pueblo West's range requires that you get your name on a waiting list, and then they purge the rolls of all the members that didn't renew once a year, and at that point they start calling everyone on the waiting list.
I am still waiting... which sucks! There is a pistol range down at the Pueblo Zoo that has public nights Tuesday and Thursday, if memory serves. Pueblo Municipal Shooters is the name of that.
No. Private as you have to be a member of the NRA and willing to spend a whopping $54 a year for 365 days a year access.
But like you said, no thanks. Guess you wont need a contact phone number after all.
When I hear "private" range, I recall the days of living in Texas where a "private" range was a rundown plot of land where "good 'ol boys" would go shoot, network, and even drink and by god if you didn't spend $40 there on top of the entrance fee an hour you'd be run out. Not interested in that, lol. I was not trying to be sarcastic or rude when I said no thanks, my apologies if that is how it came off. I am a member of NRA, everyone should be regardless of whether you own firearms or not. Someone pm'
ed me some info about some public land that sounds like it should work in my neck of the woods. Thanks for the off topic help.
www.blgc.org (http://www.blgc.org) Easily accessable from C. Springs, but a bit of a drive. Great place.
Silly post.
Anyway, you might be able to pickup a register full-auto lower and just build the rest around it. I think you might be able to find the lower in the 12k range, but it's been a while since I've looked into prices.
Great-Kazoo
01-03-2010, 17:41
spend $8-10K and get a norells trigger pack for the 10/22's
not only is a select fire/full auto gun pricey, they keep going up in price.
what about drop in auto sears? since they are technically the "machine gun that is registered" can't you drop on of those into a new lower and be GTG? I know they are still very expensive but would be cheaper than buying a M16
Don't know. I've heard of the drop in sears, but from my understanding you must have a compatiable lower as well. It's still like $15K. Just a fantasy of mine to actually own a full auto machine gun. Would I ever use it, most likely not. Is there a need for it, nope. Just a dream, lol.
gunhound
01-09-2010, 15:20
Would it be possible to buy a sear (for like an M16) and drop it into a Ar-15 to make it full auto? I really don't know and am just curious. If it is possible, what is paperwork process? Also, does one need to machine a new stop and stuff for the selector switch? I really don't know... sry.
There are two types of sears.
1. RDIAS/DIAS (registered drop in auto sear/drop in auto sear)
2. M16 auto sear.
A DIAS (drop in auto sear) does not need the M16 auto sear / 3rd pin hole. You can use a DIAS (legal one) in an AR15 lower but you still need M16 fire control parts.
BTW, RDIAS (registered drop in auto sear) now cost more than a registered receiver.
The "stop" is caused by the detent hole in the selector itself.
The detent and spring are in the pistol grip.
An AR15 selector has two (safe/fire) while an M16 has 3 (safe/semi/auto)
There are 4 parts in the fire control group that are M16 specific and slightly different than AR15 FCG:
disconnector
hammer
trigger
selector
In addition, you need an auto sear and pin for full auto (3rd hole not drilled in AR15 receiver)
In an upper, all that is needed is an M16 carrier (to trip the auto sear)
the bolts are interchangeable.
Gunhound, thank you sir. Very nicely explained.
ryanek9freak
01-18-2010, 09:46
Christ, if I was able to afford a Title II weapon, it sure as hell wouldn't be a POS M16. THe full auto or burst fire capabiity is the only thing that makes them formidable weapons in the battle field. I have 2 M4 clones, and while they're fun to shoot, it's not something that I would want in full auto. I mean what's the point?
It would quickly drain your bank account, and not do much damage to anything. I second what stu said. For 5k, you could get yourself a nice .380 or 9mm Cobray Uzi, or a cheapo (relativley for class III) Mac 10 or 11. Still have the cool "wow an MG" factor, and not be so damned expensive to shoot once or twice a year.
Besides, if I were to drop a rediculous amount of coin on a full auto, I'd just save up and buy a Ma Deuce or something of the sort. Perhaps a browning .30 cal.
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