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Gman
07-29-2019, 06:37
Shooting at California festival kills 3; suspect is dead (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/shooting-at-california-festival-kills-3-suspect-is-dead/ar-AAF0oMf)

TV News is reporting 4 Deaths. This is being referred to as a "mass shooting", which seems to be the new catch phrase of the left. I don't remember these events being called 'mass shootings' in the past. How can this happen in CA, where you can't even buy ammunition without a background check?


GILROY, Calif. (AP) - A gunman cut through a fence to avoid security and opened fire at Northern California's popular Gilroy Garlic Festival, killing three and wounding at least 15 before police fatally shot him as terrified people and performers ran for cover.

Gilroy Police Chief Scot Smithee said the gunman was armed with a rifle and sneaked in through a fence that borders a parking lot next to a creek. He appeared to randomly target people when he opened fire just after 5:30 p.m. Sunday, the conclusion of the three-day festival that attracts more than 100,000 people to the city known as the "Garlic Capital of the World."

Police responded within a minute, engaged the suspect and killed him, Smithee said.

Some witnesses reported a second suspect, Smithee said, but it was unclear whether that person was armed or simply provided assistance. A manhunt continued late into the night.

Smithee called the scene at the festival a "nightmare you hope you never have to live."

The wounded were taken to multiple hospitals, and their conditions ranged from fair to critical, with some in surgery Sunday night. At least five were treated and released.

Gilroy Garlic Festival shooting: Reactions pour in from Newsom, Trump, others (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gilroy-garlic-festival-shooting-reactions-pour-in-from-newsom-trump-others/ar-AAF0wM1)


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“This is nothing short of horrific,” he said on Twitter. “Tonight, CA stands with the Gilroy community. My office is monitoring the situation closely. Grateful for the law enforcement’s efforts and their continued work as this situation develops.”

President Trump weighed in briefly shortly after the shooting, focusing on reports that police were pursuing a suspect.

“Law Enforcement is at the scene of shootings in Gilroy, California,” Trump tweeted. “Reports are that shooter has not yet been apprehended. Be careful and safe!”

California Sen. Kamala Harris, a Democrat who hopes to unseat Trump and has pushed for stronger gun control, said the country needed to do more to stop its “gun violence epidemic.”

“Simply horrific,” Harris said on Twitter. “I’m grateful to the first responders who are on the scene in Gilroy, and my thoughts are with that community tonight. Our country has a gun violence epidemic that we cannot tolerate.”

Rep. Eric Swalwell, D-Dublin, also sought to make a statement about the nation’s gun laws.

“My heart breaks for all of our Bay Area neighbors who attended the #GilroyGarlicFestival,” (https://twitter.com/hashtag/GilroyGarlicFestival?src=hashtag_click)he tweeted. “We need gun reform and we need it now. #EnoughIsEnough (https://twitter.com/hashtag/EnoughIsEnough?src=hashtag_click).”

Among others who reacted on Twitter were Apple CEO Tim Cook, who said, “Deeply saddened by the news of the shooting at the Gilroy Garlic Festival, a beloved community tradition in Northern California.”

San Jose Mayor Sam Liccardo tweeted, “Praying for lives and recoveries of each of the shooting victims at #GilroyGarlicFestival (https://twitter.com/hashtag/GilroyGarlicFestival?src=hashtag_click).”

Six-year-old boy among those shot and killed at garlic festival (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/six-year-old-boy-among-those-shot-and-killed-at-garlic-festival/ar-AAF0THy)


Police also shot and killed a suspect who was carrying an assault-type rifle, according to a statement by the City of Gilroy. Police believe a second person may have been involved. The shooter entered the packed festival by cutting through a fence, police said. The festival had tight security, including metal detectors.
"Gun free zone" strikes again.

The killer (name withheld) has been identified and was 19 years old.

Irving
07-29-2019, 07:25
Remember when tragedies were treated as such, and not just as vessels to further some political argument?

SuperiorDG
07-29-2019, 08:20
I notice right off the 4 deaths being pushed, gotta push those numbers up. Even FOX is calling it a mass shooting.

Gman
07-29-2019, 08:35
Remember when tragedies were treated as such, and not just as vessels to further some political argument?

I do. Clearly.

KevDen2005
07-29-2019, 08:58
It's turning into a once a week thing these days.

TRnCO
07-29-2019, 09:02
Calling any shooting a mass shooting is kind of along the lines of naming storms. All in the name of politicizing an event.

Irving
07-29-2019, 09:13
I do. Clearly.

I was actually talking about you.

KevDen2005
07-29-2019, 09:13
Mass shooting is like all the other terms that people use to get an emotional response. It's way overused and it means nearly nothing.

.455_Hunter
07-29-2019, 09:25
Gotta love how all those security checkpoints and metal detectors kept people safe. Heaven forbid a citizen is able to carry a defensive weapon into a festival. I will credit LE for a rapid response, but unfortunately, as we all know, the response was already too late for some. Oh yeah, the "if you defensively shoot more than X (3, 7, 15???) yards away, then you are.going to prison..." crowd can pound sand.

Skip
07-29-2019, 10:14
Remember when tragedies were treated as such, and not just as vessels to further some political argument?

Socials were dropping F bombs and death wishes on all Republicans, gun owners, "white people," etc... yesterday before the body count was known let alone the gun, the killer, or any other facts.

A lot of hate directed at people who had nothing to do with it. When political groups use events to scapegoat their opposition, it's political.

And all this happened well before the OP's post.

Delfuego
07-29-2019, 10:30
Remember when tragedies were treated as such, and not just as vessels to further some political argument?That is on us too...

Irving
07-29-2019, 11:11
That is on us too...

I know, that's what I'm trying to point out.

Sorry the body count was only 4 this time everybody. Better luck next month when it happens again.

KS63
07-29-2019, 11:24
SKS purchased legally on July 9, 2019 in Nevada according to Police Chief in a press release.

.40isthenew.45
07-29-2019, 11:26
I know, that's what I'm trying to point out.

Sorry the body count was only 4 this time everybody. Better luck next month when it happens again.

I wonder what makes "the garlic festival" more newsworthy than the "annual Brownsville Old-Timers Day block party" https://brooklyneagle.com/articles/2019/07/28/one-killed-11-injured-in-brownsville-mass-shooting-reversing-neighborhoods-gun-violence-decline/

wctriumph
07-29-2019, 11:26
The Gilroy police chief just reported the the firearm used was a "SKS, an AK-47 type assault weapon, purchased legally in Nevada...".

Prayers up for the victims and families.

Skip
07-29-2019, 11:55
I wonder what makes "the garlic festival" more newsworthy than the "annual Brownsville Old-Timers Day block party" https://brooklyneagle.com/articles/2019/07/28/one-killed-11-injured-in-brownsville-mass-shooting-reversing-neighborhoods-gun-violence-decline/

We all know.

Six murdered this weekend in Baltimore as well.

Which is why I'm struggling with the "let's not get political" sentiment. Political opportunism/intense media coverage is the primary motivation.

DEAGLER
07-29-2019, 12:10
Currently in California. Happened not too far from me.

hollohas
07-29-2019, 12:31
The Gilroy police chief just reported the the firearm used was a "SKS, an AK-47 type assault weapon, purchased legally in Nevada...".

Prayers up for the victims and families.Huh, maybe "purchased legally".

But transported into CA illegally...

Gman
07-29-2019, 13:48
I was actually talking about you.

...but not TO me.

The selective nature of the MSM is not a coincidence. How aware is the public that there were 8 killed and 43 wounded in Chicago this past weekend?

Chicago Year to Date
Shot & Killed: 269
Shot & Wounded: 1291
Total Shot: 1560
Total Homicides: 296

...in a Democrat stronghold.

buffalobo
07-29-2019, 14:38
...but not TO me.

The selective nature of the MSM is not a coincidence. How aware is the public that there were 8 killed and 43 wounded in Chicago this past weekend?

Chicago Year to Date
Shot & Killed: 269
Shot & Wounded: 1291
Total Shot: 1560
Total Homicides: 296

...in a Democrat stronghold.^^^This.

TEAMRICO
07-29-2019, 15:32
Gilroy, my hometown of birth.

Ridge
07-29-2019, 16:42
SKS purchased legally on July 9, 2019 in Nevada according to Police Chief in a press release.

The photo on a local news Facebook page is a cop holding an AK 7.62 with an underfolder stock over the body of the shooter.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/294604797217079298/605504861160603659/67669716_10221223355197070_8303544909982334976_n.p ng

ChickNorris
07-29-2019, 16:46
Um... could someone edify me as to why they handcuffed the dead?

Genuine question.



Edit : maybe he was mostly dead.

Gman
07-29-2019, 16:47
Gilroy, my hometown of birth.

About 33 miles from mine. It's a shame to see what has happened to California since we left in the mid-70s.

Gman
07-29-2019, 16:49
Um... could someone edify me as to why they handcuffed the dead?

Genuine question.

In case he's just mostly dead.

Ridge
07-29-2019, 16:50
Um... could someone edify me as to why they handcuffed the dead?

Genuine question.



Edit : maybe he was mostly dead.

Probably wasn't dead just yet when they cuffed him.

FoxtArt
07-29-2019, 16:53
With three dead and fifteen wounded that implies at least eighteen people were shot. (Although sometes wounded are "I fell down running away and twisted an ankle). It sounds like he went through the fence and started shooting indiscriminately. Let's not pretend it wasn't a cliche "mass shooting". He just won't be as infamous as some others. Bending and manipulating perceptions are problems in both sides of this issue.

ChickNorris
07-29-2019, 16:56
In case he's just mostly dead.

Gman, your foil hat is excellent.

Irving
07-29-2019, 17:02
Um... could someone edify me as to why they handcuffed the dead?

Genuine question.



Edit : maybe he was mostly dead.

Could be for similar reasons that they issue traffic citations to people who've died in auto accidents.

hurley842002
07-29-2019, 17:12
Could be for similar reasons that they issue traffic citations to people who've died in auto accidents.

Or for similar reasons that you proceed with CPR unless there is decapitation, rigor mortis has set in, or the person is pronounced dead by a medical authority.


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Ridge
07-29-2019, 17:16
With three dead and fifteen wounded that implies at least eighteen people were shot. (Although sometes wounded are "I fell down running away and twisted an ankle). It sounds like he went through the fence and started shooting indiscriminately. Let's not pretend it wasn't a cliche "mass shooting". He just won't be as infamous as some others. Bending and manipulating perceptions are problems in both sides of this issue.

Wouldn't most mass shootings that the media cares about ones with indiscriminate targeting of victims?

Gman
07-29-2019, 18:26
With three dead and fifteen wounded that implies at least eighteen people were shot. (Although sometes wounded are "I fell down running away and twisted an ankle). It sounds like he went through the fence and started shooting indiscriminately. Let's not pretend it wasn't a cliche "mass shooting". He just won't be as infamous as some others. Bending and manipulating perceptions are problems in both sides of this issue.

I never said an indiscriminate group wasn't shot, but thanks for projecting. I read a lot, and what I find interesting is what is chosen to be repeated and elevated to the public. I also find it interesting and alarming to see how our lexicon is modified to promote an agenda and emotional 'steering'. Words mean something, and yet I never hear of any pushback.

I think this is a result of getting more miles on life's odometer. You notice how society has changed over your lifetime.

KevDen2005
07-29-2019, 18:33
Um... could someone edify me as to why they handcuffed the dead?

Genuine question.



Edit : maybe he was mostly dead.

In the event the guy isn't actually dead and adrenaline pumped officers missed that

he could have been still alive while waiting for medical care,

and officers aren't doctors and not allowed to determine death, therefore the suspect is in custody until medical professionals want handcuffs removed

ChickNorris
07-29-2019, 18:41
In the event the guy isn't actually dead and adrenaline pumped officers missed that

he could have been still alive while waiting for medical care,

and officers aren't doctors and not allowed to determine death, therefore the suspect is in custody until medical professionals want handcuffs removed

Ok. Thanks

Gman
07-29-2019, 18:43
Could be for similar reasons that they issue traffic citations to people who've died in auto accidents.
Seems to me this would be for legal reasons including any 'at fault' insurance claims for survivors/beneficiaries.

JohnnyDrama
07-29-2019, 18:43
For an interesting take on things...

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1548900

Or maybe it's the same thing we discuss here.

Gman
07-29-2019, 18:45
Wouldn't most mass shootings that the media cares about ones with indiscriminate targeting of victims?
Particularly children. It makes the information more emotionally charged.

zteknik
07-29-2019, 19:23
The Gilroy police chief just reported the the firearm used was a "SKS, an AK-47 type assault weapon, purchased legally in Nevada...".

Prayers up for the victims and families.
As figured, the chief is a dolt. The only thing the sks is close to an ak is caliber. He needs more education..
Prayers out to those harmed.

Eric P
07-29-2019, 20:10
I had fun trolling FB today. Dismissing all emotion and stating, well, this time we will surrender more rights in the name of a 6 year old...

I've become so numb to the news I don't care about the body count or who the victims were, I just care about what gun laws will follow.

Irving
07-29-2019, 20:15
Perhaps it's time for a little bit of introspection on your part.

hurley842002
07-29-2019, 20:18
Perhaps it's time for a little bit of introspection on your part.

I think that about Eric P every time he posts, glad someone else agrees.


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GilpinGuy
07-29-2019, 22:10
I've become so numb to the news I don't care about the body count or who the victims were, I just care about what gun laws will follow.

How awesome that this is now associated with an "online AR-15 gun group from Colorado". [facepalm] Can't you see how anti's could use this?

Skip
07-30-2019, 09:13
We can't change anything that happened and I doubt there's a person here who wouldn't change the outcome if gifted with magical/time traveling powers.

This is why we own guns and carry.

The only thing now is the fallout and if you believe that more gun control = more violent crime, then we should take an interest in that.

If you believe gun control works then I can see how someone would think that focus is insensitive.

thedave1164
07-30-2019, 10:04
Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Too many of those that hold up the body of a six year old child to forward the cause of gun control, promote the murdering of babies in the name of choice.

Forgive me if I refuse to kowtow to the liberal agenda and while I do sincerely feel for all the victims, I will not be manipulated by those that use this tragedy to attack the constitution and the bill of rights

BPTactical
07-30-2019, 10:06
Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Too many of those that hold up the body of a six year old child to forward the cause of gun control, promote the murdering of babies in the name of choice.

Forgive me if I refuse to kowtow to the liberal agenda and while I do sincerely feel for all the victims, I will not be manipulated by those that use this tragedy to attack the constitution and the bill of rights

This point cannot be stressed enough.

Delfuego
07-30-2019, 10:09
Gilroy, my hometown of birth.I grew up close by and have deep family ties there. My uncle helped run the city of Gilroy for decades. We went to the Garlic Festival every year.

Delfuego
07-30-2019, 11:04
Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."


WITTES: He was writing about a tax dispute between the Pennsylvania General Assembly and the family of the Penns, the proprietary family of the Pennsylvania colony who ruled it from afar. And the legislature was trying to tax the Penn family lands to pay for frontier defense during the French and Indian War. And the Penn family kept instructing the governor to veto. Franklin felt that this was a great affront to the ability of the legislature to govern. And so he actually meant purchase a little temporary safety very literally. The Penn family was trying to give a lump sum of money in exchange for the General Assembly's acknowledging that it did not have the authority to tax it.

SIEGEL: So far from being a pro-privacy quotation, if anything, it's a pro-taxation and pro-defense spending quotation.


Those that quote historical figures on the internet, usually f*** up the quote or the meaning

O2HeN2
07-30-2019, 11:24
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Gman
07-30-2019, 12:40
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"Be not intimidated...nor suffer yourselves to be wheedled out of your liberties by any pretense of politeness, delicacy, or decency.
These, as they are often used, are but three different names for hypocrisy, chicanery and cowardice."
― John Adams

I regularly think about this whenever we're told to 'do it, for the children' or when the alternative to our freedom is 'sensitivity' or 'common sense'.

hollohas
07-30-2019, 15:03
Franklin used this argument more than one occasion. Years later, in 1775, he used the same argument in a letter. And that time, it was a lot closer to the context as commonly used today.

https://oll.libertyfund.org/quotes/484

Regardless of his context in the 18th century, it is a profound statement that is applicable how it is commonly used today.

iego
07-30-2019, 17:33
"Be not intimidated...nor suffer yourselves to be wheedled out of your liberties by any pretense of politeness, delicacy, or decency.
These, as they are often used, are but three different names for hypocrisy, chicanery and cowardice."
― John Adams

I regularly think about this whenever we're told to 'do it, for the children' or when the alternative to our freedom is 'sensitivity' or 'common sense'.

I liked your signature so much I saved it (gmans-signature.txt) a while back, just in case you change it someday. :)

-John

Delfuego
07-30-2019, 20:17
Franklin would have likely been label a "philandering liberal mouthpiece of the east coast left-wing intellectual elites" by a lot of people on forum had he live in our era...