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Justin
08-16-2019, 09:08
https://www.cpr.org/2019/08/15/colorado-springs-bike-lane-backlash/


In about a decade as Colorado Springs? traffic engineer, Kathleen Krager led efforts to improve bicycle infrastructure and reduce speeds on the city's roads radical propositions in the car-dependent city. ?People drive incredibly fast and very aggressive in Colorado Springs,? she said. ?I spend a lot of my time trying to work on reducing that.
Krager's campaign led to angry public meetings (https://gazette.com/government/packed-town-hall-draws-critics-of-old-north-end-traffic/article_76d5dc8b-28a8-5ec5-ab7b-af85dc8b92a5.html) and critical editorials (https://gazette.com/opinion/editorial-stop-impeding-traffic-with-bicycle-lanes/article_e238d722-bb63-11e8-8312-67ae3dc1b5dc.html). She left the job (https://gazette.com/news/colorado-springs-traffic-engineer-who-took-heat-for-street-changes/article_661901a6-1461-11e9-a5a5-6f1fc2b8296b.html) earlier this year.
On its face, the debate Krager found herself immersed in is a purely local one. Whether the speed limit on Cascade Avenue is too high. How to get students at Colorado College safely across the busy road.
But the dynamics at play there are mirrored in other historically auto-centric cities up and down the Front Range: Most residents are trying to get to their destinations as quickly as possible, and use a car to do it. But advocates, city planners and some politicians say their cities are growing fast enough that alternatives like cycling are an important part of their future.
We can't just keep building more car lanes,? said Cory Sutela, volunteer advocacy chair for Bike Colorado Springs. ?They'll keep getting filled up. We have to figure out better ways for people to get around.?
Research suggests that bike infrastructure, like protected lanes, are the best way to both increase cycling (https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2014/06/protected-bike-lanes-arent-just-safer-they-can-also-increase-cycling/371958/) and keep cyclists and motorists safe. (https://denverite.com/2019/05/29/cu-denver-study-cities-with-protected-bike-lanes-are-safer-for-cyclists-and-drivers/) And advocates are pushing for more of it in the wake of multiple cyclist deaths over the last few months. But Colorado Springs? experience shows that building that new infrastructure is not as simple as painting new lines or adding concrete barriers ? it can require an uncomfortable debate over what a road is for, and for whom.
Krager was a transportation consultant in Denver for decades.

She took the job in Colorado Springs in 2009, her first in the public sector. She was pleasantly surprised by the level of funding she had to work with, and with the level of autonomy she had.
Most of the time they let me have my way. Occasionally someone would step in and say, No, do it this way, Krager said. ?But that didn't happen all that often.?


Courtesy Kathleen Krager
Kathleen Krager was Colorado Springs' traffic engineer before retiring earlier this year.
The first thing she noticed was how fast motorists drove around the city. In most cities, Krager said, drivers go about five miles over the speed limit. But when she took speed counts in the Springs, she said drivers consistently went 10 miles per hour over the limit. She said that contributed to a spate of deadly crashes.
There's nothing that will quite take your breath away like going to a fatal accident in the middle of the night, she said.
Krager started small, making car lanes narrower and lowering some speed limits.
I think it took them a while to realize what I was doing, she said. It always pays to be quiet.
But safety was not Krager's only goal. Coming from traffic-choked Denver, she thought Colorado Springs was growing enough that it needed to change its course.
If it's going to continue to be the truly pleasant community that it is right now, it needs to increase the alternatives it has to driving so that you don't have absolutely everyone in the city driving on the roadway at the same time, she said.
So she stepped up her efforts. She converted a traffic lane into a bike lane (https://gazette.com/opinion/guest-column-bike-demonstration-project-aimed-to-benefit-more-than/article_b64db096-6361-5293-9a85-fae552c9b5e1.html) on a suburban road ? until public backlash and data (https://gazette.com/news/colorado-springs-terminating-disputed-bike-lane-project/article_aaa70f21-b643-556c-b64d-62c80d270ef5.html) prompted the city to reverse that months later. And then, in early 2018, the city got ready to add a bike lane on Cascade Avenue, a four-lane parkway running from the stately Old North End Neighborhood through Colorado College into downtown.
Krager envisioned a calmer road that would be safer not just for motorists, but for cyclists, pedestrians and the neighborhood it cuts through. The project called for lowering the speed limit and removing a vehicle lane; city staff predicted travel times wouldn?t be significantly affected. It was also included both in the city?s bike master plan (https://coloradosprings.gov/sites/default/files/colorado_springs_draft_bike_plan_final.pdf) and the downtown master plan. (https://coloradosprings.gov/sites/default/files/downtown_master-plan_2016.pdf)
?I put about four years of public involvement into discussing with the neighborhood what to do with Cascade, Krager said.
But as the project moved closer to reality, those meetings got increasingly tumultuous. (https://gazette.com/government/packed-town-hall-draws-critics-of-old-north-end-traffic/article_76d5dc8b-28a8-5ec5-ab7b-af85dc8b92a5.html) Some in the neighborhood even filed a lawsuit trying to stop the project, though that ultimately failed. (https://www.csindy.com/coloradosprings/old-north-end-re-stripping-approved-after-injunction-lifted/Content?oid=13995827)
One of the most vocal critics was Rick Villa, a retired photographer behind SaferCC.com (http://safercc.com/). He admits now that the bike lanes haven?t hurt his ability to drive on the road. But he still doesn't like them.


Nathaniel Minor/CPR NeRick Villa is a 55-year resident of Colorado Springs. He opposes the city's recent installation of new bicycle lanes.?I'm highly offended by the fact that somebody wants to try to get me out of my car and force me into a bicycle,? Villa said.
To Villa, city leaders like Krager ignored a basic fact when they install bike lanes: most Colorado Springs? residents use their cars to get around town.
It's more social engineering than pretty much anything else,? Villa said.
Krager said she understands why so many people got upset over the changes; how people travel is a deeply personal choice.
?We pick our cars, we pick our vehicles, we pick our bikes to show the rest of the world who we are,? she said.
Today, cars go slower down Cascade Avenue.

And the project has also resulted in more bicycle use, according to new city traffic engineer Todd Frisbie. He also said that in his anecdotal observations, travel time hasn't increased on the road. He said that?s a hard claim for some members of the driving public to swallow.
There are elements of traffic engineering that are counter-intuitive,? Frisbie said. And so one of our challenges is to educate people.
Krager retired and left the city earlier this year. The administration has hit a pause on adding new bike lanes until 2020.
That disappointing to City Councilwoman Jill Gaebler, who?s supported bike lanes for years. She?s still glad the city acted when it did.
?I don't think you can ever listen too much, but at some point, you have to stop listening and do something, she said. ?You can't be afraid to do it.?
But for now, staff say they'll focus on things like new signage and education. Those are far less controversial, if not as effective at keeping people safe.
Krager has had a quiet retirement so far. She drives to a swimming pool three days a week and otherwise walks or bikes to most things around her home in Monte Vista.
It's very attractive being able to park my car in the garage and not use it for days on end,? she said.
Editor's Note: This story has been updated to reflect that the city of Colorado Springs says it plans to add new bike infrastructure in 2020.





So, in a city that's been plagued with potholes and other traffic flow issues, this lady's main issue has been creating bike lanes.

Truly we dwell in an idiocracy.

thedave1164
08-16-2019, 10:16
pot holes slow you down

Little Dutch
08-16-2019, 10:42
Traffic was horrendous on those old North End roads for at least a month after the bike lanes were painted and the road went down to one lane. People have adjusted their routes and use other roads now. That's why traffic hasn't appeared to have increased on those roads, because traffic increased on other roads as a direct result.

mahabali
08-16-2019, 11:36
Rick Villa is my uncle :)

roberth
08-16-2019, 11:39
I ride bikes on the road on occasion. Cars are the primary means of movement, I don't understand why these assholes have to replace a car lane with a bike lane. Cyclists need to learn to deal with cars, not the other way around.

Irving
08-16-2019, 11:42
I'm a big fan of bike paths, just not in/on streets.

roberth
08-16-2019, 11:46
I'm a big fan of bike paths, just not in/on streets.

Yeah, I see cyclists in the street when there is a path not 10 feet away, riding in the street makes for an easier target for texting morons to hit.

ray1970
08-16-2019, 12:26
Colorado Blvd up north was a nice, wide thoroughfare for a long time. Then some asshat decided it needed bike lanes. Now if you?re centered in your lane in a full size truck you have maybe four inches on either side of your vehicle.

I don?t think I?ve seen anyone using the bike lanes since they put them in. Also, there?s a sidewalk on either side that?s probably twelve feet wide. Last time I rode a pedal bike I just rode on that sidewalk and stayed the fuck out of traffic.

I say if cyclists want to ride on public roads then they should be required to plate and register their bicycles. Seems fair to pay like everyone else to use the roads.

I got a dirty look from a cyclist the other day when he thought he would just roll through a four way stop when it was obviously my turn. Those dicks are supposed to obey traffic rules. He looked at me like I was supposed to yield to him or something.

Not_A_Llama
08-16-2019, 13:03
I like his home improvement tips, but it can be hard getting over the strong northeast accents.

Aloha_Shooter
08-16-2019, 14:33
Wait, is she the Brainiac that decided to split the turn lanes for the Fillmore/I-25 overpass and Woodmen/Union intersection? I have been trying to figure out what they were thinking when they designed those two intersections. The only rationale for this traffic design I can think of is that it wakes you up real fast to see oncoming headlights on both sides of the vehicle. Out of all the things Colorado Springs needs to do to fix traffic issues, adding bike lanes is damned near bottom of the list.

WETWRKS
08-16-2019, 16:01
So...in a city that is having speeding and crash problems the solution is to make the lanes smaller. Force cars closer together? Really? What an idiot.

wctriumph
08-16-2019, 19:08
She wants more commu ... Democrats to move there.

theGinsue
08-16-2019, 23:32
I'm a big fan of bike paths, just not in/on streets.

Exactly.


Those dicks are supposed to obey traffic rules. He looked at me like I was supposed to yield to him or something.

THis is one of several of my greatest complaints about cyclists on the roads. They want their cake and to eat it too - all without contributing any fees to contribute to maintaining the roads they use - or having any insurance requirements to use those roads. It costs my ~$49/yr to license my small single axle utility trailer which gets used maybe 5x/yr. Since it's being pulled by an insured vehicle it doesn't require any extra insurance (yet). I say if someone is going to be on the roads they should pay the same "per axle" fee the rest of have to pay, and carry insurance for the accidents they definitely cause.

What if these were pedestrians using the lanes? The powers that be would scream from the rooftops about how it isn't safe - yet it's considered safe for someone on a 30lb bicycle? And a pedestrian doesn't swerve quickly and without warning to avoid an obstacle in their path.

Most all of what I need to be on the roads for requires an automobile as a bike just wouldn't cut it. My 19.7 mile commute to work in my car takes from 30 to 50 minutes, depending on traffic. That would more than double (probably triple or quadruple) were I to attempt it on a bike - and even then only in "good weather" with a forecast without the chance of heavy rain, hail or snow.

People can't drive worth a crap, the city is using tax dollars which should be used to maintain the roads we have to put in bike lanes which reduce the overall capacity for automotive traffic, they're making the roads narrower (I noticed this was occurring and was told I was mistaken because their are federal rules for traffic lane widths), they are reducing the speed limits which bunches up more traffic - all of this would tell someone with just a little bit of common sense that these are the causes for the increasing accidents.

If they want their precious bike paths so badly, I say they start requiring all new developments to include bike paths (for commuting purposes, not just the "stroll around the development biking) that are separated from automotive traffic.

So, Kathleen Krager f'ed up the traffic and roads in Colo Spr for today and many years to come and then hightails it out to Monte Vista to retire? The fool should be made to live in the shit show she helped create.

sniper7
08-17-2019, 07:11
I?ve said it before and I?ll say it again, bikes have no place on any road occupied by cars. Until they pay for a license plate, get a bicycle endorsement on their drivers license and have proper insurance they shouldn?t be there. And they should only be allowed after all that happens to ride on streets that they are capable of going up to the speed limit so as not to impede traffic constantly.
The endorsement will make sure they know the laws
The plates will create accountability and the ability for police to pull them over and ticket them toward their license should they not follow the laws
The insurance will be there to protect motorists in case the bicyclist causes an accident.
Just like it isn?t a right to drive a car, it isn?t a right to ride a bicycle on tax funded roads. You want to ride on them, then pay to do so like everybody else.

And I think anyone is is riding their bike on the roads is a complete idiot anyways. look around how bad people drive, faces glued to their cell phones and you really think being in right little spandex outfits on a puny bicycle is a bright thing to do? Go buy yourself a peleton...

ray1970
08-17-2019, 10:20
I wonder how many people are maimed or killed riding their bicycles on public roads every year?

Wouldn?t the simple solution be to just ban bicycles all together?

I mean if it would save just one life then wouldn?t it be worth it?

ChickNorris
08-17-2019, 10:21
I wonder how many people are maimed or killed riding their bicycles on public roads every year?

Wouldn?t the simple solution be to just ban bicycles all together?

I mean if it would save just one life then wouldn?t it be worth it?

For the f*king win!

BladesNBarrels
08-17-2019, 10:25
For the f*king win!

Agree!
My mountain driving has become totally defensive for the suicide kings and queens that want to take up any lane there may be.

Gman
08-17-2019, 11:03
On our vacation to Moab and driving around Garden of the Gods, I noticed signs that said cars had to give cyclists 3+ feet of space, on roads that were a single lane in either direction with a double solid line divider. In order to accommodate that, one would either have to go the speed (or lack thereof) of the bicyclist, or violate the center line. That's nuts.

Irving
08-17-2019, 11:20
Why wouldn't you give a cyclist space? Crossing the solid yellow is only an issue if there is oncoming traffic. It's the same thing as passing a tractor.

00tec
08-17-2019, 12:46
https://youtu.be/xJZlhECK0Ps

whitewalrus
08-17-2019, 21:30
On our vacation to Moab and driving around Garden of the Gods, I noticed signs that said cars had to give cyclists 3+ feet of space, on roads that were a single lane in either direction with a double solid line divider. In order to accommodate that, one would either have to go the speed (or lack thereof) of the bicyclist, or violate the center line. That's nuts.

I thought that 3 feet is the minimum apace you have to give them under CO state law when passing them.

whitewalrus
08-17-2019, 21:33
Why wouldn't you give a cyclist space? Crossing the solid yellow is only an issue if there is oncoming traffic. It's the same thing as passing a tractor.

The road he is referring to is most likely 30th street. It does suck as garden of the gods is a total mess with everyone going there. The. You add heavy bicycle traffic and you are stuck. It?s a winding 2 lane road with no shoulder.

I give them ample room myself. Never know what they will do. :)

Irving
08-17-2019, 21:58
To be fair, there aren't a ton of tractors cruising down mountain roads all the time.

SideShow Bob
08-17-2019, 22:12
Even tractors in farm country don?t have the volume or stupidity of cyclists in the metro & suburban areas in Colorado...... It is a miracle that there is not a higher volume of vehicle -vs- cyclist accidents.
And I have spent a few decades in rural JoCo. KS.

theGinsue
08-17-2019, 22:44
The road he is referring to is most likely 30th street. It does suck as garden of the gods is a total mess with everyone going there. The. You add heavy bicycle traffic and you are stuck. It?s a winding 2 lane road with no shoulder.

I give them ample room myself. Never know what they will do. :)

What really pisses me off about that is that there is a hiking/biking trail 20' away from where I normally encounter the cyclists on the road on 30th St.

It doesn't matter what inconvenience or hazard they create for others so long as their spandex'd asses get what they want.

Great-Kazoo
08-18-2019, 00:43
What really pisses me off about that is that there is a hiking/biking trail 20' away from where I normally encounter the cyclists on the road on 30th St.

as their spandex'd asses get what they want.

Clearly they got your attention, sailor ;)

crays
08-18-2019, 16:12
Why wouldn't you give a cyclist space? Crossing the solid yellow is only an issue if there is oncoming traffic. It's the same thing as passing a tractor.Not even close. Bicycles are recreational, almost every tractor cruising down the road contributes to someone's livelihood.
Add to that that most of the people encountering tractors understand and appreciate their purpose.

Sent from somewhere...

FoxtArt
08-18-2019, 16:24
I don't think "car" is required for commuting. Some people actually bike places just to keep in better shape. Some people actually need to bike to work. I think it's important not to confuse your distaste for certain bicyclists with the method of transport. E.g. the attitude is no different than people parking Diesel trucks in tesla super-charger spots just to block an EV from charging simply because...

...they don't like the politics of a portion of certain people who drive EV's.

I assume you were just responding to the comparison to tractors, and not arguing against giving cyclists space. At least, I would hope so. At any rate, it's as silly to say people shouldn't be allowed to bike as it is to say we should take out lanes on existing roads to worsen traffic to require people to bike.

Irving
08-18-2019, 16:26
Not a good argument. A large percentage of my driving could be considered recreational and not contributing to anything.

Gman
08-18-2019, 16:26
I can't remember passing a tractor in a no-passing zone.....ever. I did get stuck behind an out of state RV last weekend that couldn't seem to make a twist in the highway at over 30mph.

Irving
08-18-2019, 16:26
What really pisses me off about that is that there is a hiking/biking trail 20' away from where I normally encounter the cyclists on the road on 30th St.



A hiking trail is as worthless to a road bike as it is to your car.

Gman
08-18-2019, 17:01
I drive a truck. I guess the hiking/biking trail is now an option.

Irving
08-18-2019, 17:10
Ginsue drives a truck as well, but you know what I mean.

theGinsue
08-18-2019, 17:14
A hiking trail is as worthless to a road bike as it is to your car.

Re-read my post. It is both a hiking and biking trail running parallel to the road. It was created for both cyclist and walkers/joggers to keep them out of traffic on the narrow winding road. It's only "worthless" because it doesn't allow cyclists to impede the safe flow of motorized traffic.

Today I saw two cyclists on the road. They were riding with one in front and the other to the rear. The leader was within the bike lane but the large woman in the rear was riding at least a foot into the auto lane. Had she been struck by an auto because she couldn't ride in a smooth predictable path would would be at fault? Certainly not her, " 'cuz she has the right to ride in the road".

Irving
08-18-2019, 17:56
I assumed you were talking about a dirt path.

kidicarus13
08-18-2019, 18:37
Had she been struck by an auto because she couldn't ride in a smooth predictable path...


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sniper7
08-19-2019, 03:06
I don't think "car" is required for commuting. Some people actually bike places just to keep in better shape. Some people actually need to bike to work. I think it's important not to confuse your distaste for certain bicyclists with the method of transport. E.g. the attitude is no different than people parking Diesel trucks in tesla super-charger spots just to block an EV from charging simply because...

...they don't like the politics of a portion of certain people who drive EV's.

I assume you were just responding to the comparison to tractors, and not arguing against giving cyclists space. At least, I would hope so. At any rate, it's as silly to say people shouldn't be allowed to bike as it is to say we should take out lanes on existing roads to worsen traffic to require people to bike.

A car isn’t required for commuting and it sure as shit isn’t a right. Go ahead and max out your points and see how that privilege works out for you.
And that privilege should not not apply to bicyclists. They don’t pay for the privilege. They contribute nothing to ride their bikes be it for commuting or exercise or pleasure. So until they start paying to use that privilege they shouldn’t be there. There shouldn’t be special lanes, money shouldn’t be spent on those lanes, and there shouldn’t be yet another impediment to the drivers who pay to use the roads.
People can argue most bicyclists own a vehicle and pay road and gas tax already, so then why do I have to pay for my second and third vehicles to use those roads? And my motorcycle? Why can’t I drive my atvs or side by side on the roads. Even those vehicles add to the road fees with gas taxes paid.

crays
08-19-2019, 08:04
I don't think "car" is required for commuting. Some people actually bike places just to keep in better shape. Some people actually need to bike to work. I think it's important not to confuse your distaste for certain bicyclists with the method of transport. E.g. the attitude is no different than people parking Diesel trucks in tesla super-charger spots just to block an EV from charging simply because...

...they don't like the politics of a portion of certain people who drive EV's.

I assume you were just responding to the comparison to tractors, and not arguing against giving cyclists space. At least, I would hope so. At any rate, it's as silly to say people shouldn't be allowed to bike as it is to say we should take out lanes on existing roads to worsen traffic to require people to bike.

Yes, I was just responding to the comparison to tractors. I guess my statement about bicycles being recreational allowed some to read WAY too much into my statement.

My point was simply that Irvings's comparison of tractors to bicycles was not apple to apple in this context. Perhaps I should have fleshed it out by adding that, in general, tractors are typically encountered mainly in rural, agricultural and/or construction areas. It has been my personal experience that most persons operating tractors in those areas are typically well aware of their surroundings and tend to try to be accommodating to other traffic (of all types) when opportunities arise.

Your stated location is Montrose. I will make the bold assumption, based on previous visits and travels in that area, that you are familiar with tractor and other farm implement traffic to some extent. I know almost for certain, whether you are a cyclist yourself or not, you are more than familiar with bicycle traffic of all sorts in that area. For context, I lived in Gunnison for five years, in addition to spending a fair amount of time before and after that visiting friends in and around Montrose.

Bicycles are encountered just about everywhere. The specific reason a bicycle is on the road is moot to the context of this discussion, which is directed at bike lanes.

Everyone has their own ideas, choices and availability/limitations/restrictions/requirements for commuting, be it pedestrian, skating, cycling, pub trans, carpooling, ride sharing or driving solo, etc. So your opinion that a car is not required is indeed very valid.

I do, indeed, have my own opinion of the viability and impact of bike lanes on traffic flow (positive and negative), but there are many more contributing to this thread that are much more passionate.

/ And now back to the regularly scheduled program of denigrating the spandex-clad super-egos who are ruining the roads for all of us law abiding, calmly and legally driving cagers. /end sarc/ [Flower]