S&W Sport II ?

[Doc45]

My younger son found new S&W M&P Sport II rifles for $500 shipped. It will be his first AR. He?s quite accomplished with a pistol but is new to the AR world outside of shooting mine. How are Smiths? Seems like a good price for a nib carbine.

Any feedback appreciated.

[Little Dutch]

I wouldn't be afraid of it. The few I've seen function well, and everything on it is replaceable should you later decide to upgrade or customize in any way.

I have several palmetto rifles in that entry/budget price range. They've never given me any trouble.

[Doc45]

Thanks for the speedy reply.

[crays]

I have an early one with several thousand through it. Have had zero issues.
I just remembered I also have a really early one I got used from a member here that probably has more like 6-7k with no issues.

I've heard some grumbling from some nay-sayers, but I've had great luck with mine, FWIW.

Lots of family/friends range time on both, as well.

Sent from somewhere...

[ray1970]

So tempted to link the thread about ?tier 1? rifles here.

[Doc45]

This son shares my affinity for high end 1911s and older S&W revolvers. For him the AR is more of a novelty, he doesn’t want to drop a lot of money on something he won’t shoot that often. He is quite familiar with my improved Colt and his older brother’s (a freshly minted Army E7) custom built carbine.

[Gman]

S&W lifetime warranty. Score.

[Erni]

Not familiar with that one so take a look how/where they cut corners. Ex: no dust cover, no fwd assist, etc. Buy if he don't care .....
Or have him build a PSA if it is a range toy.

[Doc45]

It has the dustcover and forward assist. The early ones didn’t. Magpul flip rear sight w/standard “A” tower front sight.

[Great-Kazoo]

S&W lifetime warranty. Score.

All gun mfg's offer lifetime warranty. Some are good, no matter who owns it. Others want your BOS, copy of DL, blood sample etc, before they even send you a will call tag, if that.

I had a gen 1 Mini-14 the bolt cracked on. In to ruger, out with updated internals free of charge.

My Walther P-22. Called S&W. Was told oh those are warrantied a year. No i'm sorry, we don't offer free repairs any more, click.

[Gman]

I've had great service from S&W. I didn't have to jump through any hoops (phone call/pre-paid shipping label/repair/return). They've even gone above and beyond for me, including when I accidentally bent a spring in my SW99 .45. Their relationship in the past as Walther's importer, I've never had to deal with.

Since 2013, Walther Arms has facilities in Fort Smith, Arkansas and handles warranties for the Walther products. My wife's PPQ has the S&W import marks. I bought mine a year later and it has the Walther marks. There's a big difference in Walther quality (and usually pricing) as to whether it's built in Ulm (P99, PPQ, PPS) or by Umarex in Arnsberg (P22, P380). I'm not sure if Walther's warranties are any different today.

P22 manual states that the product has a 1 year warranty. Unfortunately any zinc alloy based gun is damn near disposable.

If it's a PPK or PPK/S built by S&W under license from Walther, it's probably covered by S&W, but I have no idea. It was a complicated and incestuous relationship.

[Will1776]

Mine has been 100% reliable and even the new version barrel has been sub-MOA. I got a 1/4 inch grouping with higher end ammo and just under an inch with 62 grain green tips. This is with a free float rail and new gas block however