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What if it appeared on your front yard?
Can it be removed/destroyed since it is on the owners property?
https://denver.cbslocal.com/2019/11/04/aurora-utility-box-electrical-tower-yard/amp/
AURORA, Colo. (CBS4) ? Imagine waking up to find an electrical tower of some sort being installed in your front yard. An Aurora homeowner still doesn?t know exactly what it is, but she wants to know why it was installed without notice, and she wants it gone.....
They can put whatever they want in the easement
First, I doubt there?s actually any electric going to it. It also doesn?t appear to have any real function and looks to be some sort of fancy dummy device. What would be the point of the spot for a meter? It also doesn?t really seem to be mounted.
Anyways, I?d take the gamble that it isn?t energized and accidentally knock it over with my truck in the middle of the night when nobody was looking.
Would be a shame if you backed down your driveway with a large truck and hit it..
SideShow Bob
11-05-2019, 18:43
First, I doubt there?s actually any electric going to it.,
I?d take the gamble that it isn?t energized and accidentally knock it over with my truck in the middle of the night when nobody was looking.
Probably not yet, but the utility side of the meter is ready for Excel to hook up if they already haven’t and it won’t have a meter installed until the electrical inspector ( both State & local) inspect and put an approval notice on it. The construction permit should be posted on it though. But it could be in the customer side cover.
So knocking it over could be a shocking experience considering the pedestal is probably rated at a 10K amp dead short.
Interesting. I encountered a similar situation. Subcontractors of utilities sometimes do stupid stuff when following the work directives of the utility. This woman has a power pole on the other side of her driveway which would be a far less intrusive location for the utility boxes. But it takes a thinking and caring person with the utility and/or contractor to place the box in a better location. In her position I'd probably threaten to sue, or sue if that didn't work. There's usually a better way to resolve a conflict.
Some years ago PSCO was replacing high transmission poles with smaller poles along the road by our farm. The contractor placed a new pole right in my irrigated field where it would interfere with my irrigation and field operations. It would also be constantly flooded. I told the contractor that if he didn't move the pole it would surely be knocked over by my tractor while working the field. The PSCO engineer called the next day and I showed him that he could easily move the pole 7 feet without interfering with anything and still be within the allowable span weight range for the lines. The pole was moved the next day, saving PSCO the cost of moving a downed pole after the lines were strung. (And I didn't even have to threaten a lawsuit.) :)
5G small site cell tower. I would not be surprised if a small tower will be added later - that will thrill her even more.
5G requires towers as close as 500 feet apart to provide coverage.
Of course the promise was to put them up on existing light and telephone poles, but this is the reality.
O2
Grant H.
11-05-2019, 20:20
Yep. 5G small cell site. Welcome to what 5G is going to look like.
Another article from CH4 says it's been confirmed as 5G small cell site. They said that the plan is to put the antennas on the telephone pole already mentioned.
They'll likely run conduit from this back to the telephone poll if that is the case. Fiber and power run up the pole to the integrated radio/antenna packages.
Unfortunately, this kind of install will be "normal" since the cabinets are probably prefabbed and laid out to be the same between all sites. That way the provider doesn't have to rely on some of the "special" folks they end up with installing these for reliable and quality installs.
Doesn't the city have to send a letter to the home owner explaining what they are doing? They had to do that in my neighborhood before they put speed bumps in front of people's houses.
Grant H.
11-05-2019, 20:54
With an existing easement, and something that will take less than a day to install without impeding traffic/access? I doubt it.
ChickNorris
11-05-2019, 21:02
How many do you think they'd have to try to install on my lawn before one finally stuck?
Anyone seen Andy Samberg lately?
Doesn't the city have to send a letter to the home owner explaining what they are doing? They had to do that in my neighborhood before they put speed bumps in front of people's houses.
Nope. The city hawked the easement access rights to Verizon or whatever and they just go do what they want. Same as Comcast burying a cable across an easement in your back yard or putting a pedestal on the easement.
Sometimes, it's better not to go to the press.
Nobody's ever tried to install one of them things here. [Coffee] Contractor probably stole it or something.
Maybe people should practice tennis/basketball/baseball catch on a front lawn. May be those utility companies might think putting that crap on the lawn/near driveway would be a bad idea.
BushMasterBoy
11-05-2019, 23:34
Denver is getting some towers. I guess that means when she gets the tower to go with it, she can use it to hang her laundry. Too. FF...
https://www.denverpost.com/2018/03/12/denver-5g-cell-phone-service/
She's fooked. And they're gonna start popping up everywhere.
hollohas
11-06-2019, 08:03
Probably not yet, but the utility side of the meter is ready for Excel to hook up if they already haven?t and it won?t have a meter installed until the electrical inspector ( both State & local) inspect and put an approval notice on it. The construction permit should be posted on it though. But it could be in the customer side cover.
So knocking it over could be a shocking experience considering the pedestal is probably rated at a 10K amp dead short.
I doubt it's hot yet. There is no padlock on the disco. That'd be a bad thing if the line side was hot going into an unlocked disconnect with an open meter socket.
Anyone seen Andy Samberg lately?
http://youtu.be/Rt0spqQtMKg
Nice pick up. ^^
I hope they at least paint them.
How many do you think they'd have to try to install on my lawn before one finally stuck?
-depends on the quality of your vehicle's bumper?
asystejs
11-06-2019, 11:10
https://www.rcrwireless.com/20190826/5g/opposition-to-5g-small-cell-deployment-spreads-across-us
https://www.lightreading.com/mobile/small-cells/inside-the-5g-small-cell-opportunity-big-and-messy/d/d-id/751403
If that showed up in my front yard I would buy a $500 car just to run that thing over daily. Eventually they would get the point that its not a viable location.
I hope they at least paint them.
How about this;
http://cdn.telecomtv.com/assets/telecomtv/disguised-cell-towers-3474.jpg?w=970
...and you get a tree, and you get a tree, and you get a tree...
America's wackiest cell phone towers may be key to solve the 'ugly' 5G revolution (https://www.phonearena.com/news/Americas-wackiest-cell-phone-towers-may-be-key-to-solving-the-ugly-5G-revolution_id116459)
Aloha_Shooter
11-06-2019, 12:03
If that showed up in my front yard I would buy a $500 car just to run that thing over daily. Eventually they would get the point that its not a viable location.
Snow season is coming. I wonder just how much snow coming off a plow that thing would take? My bumper's clean as a whistle ...
ChickNorris
11-06-2019, 16:11
How about this;
http://cdn.telecomtv.com/assets/telecomtv/disguised-cell-towers-3474.jpg?w=970
...and you get a tree, and you get a tree, and you get a tree...
America's wackiest cell phone towers may be key to solve the 'ugly' 5G revolution (https://www.phonearena.com/news/Americas-wackiest-cell-phone-towers-may-be-key-to-solving-the-ugly-5G-revolution_id116459)
Maybe if its a Palm or Saguaro. Ive seen a few decent ones in Tucson.
...or a "rock"
This;
https://weburbanist.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/fake-boulder-cell-tower.jpg
Not this;
https://s3.ap-southeast-1.amazonaws.com/images.asianage.com/images/aa-Cover-d1dr06fpjuug8hf7rkiops8487-20190806114553.Medi.jpeg
BushMasterBoy
11-06-2019, 17:33
Just pour salt in it. Electronics is a salt free diet. Ask the Navy. Or Semper Fido.
How about this;
http://cdn.telecomtv.com/assets/telecomtv/disguised-cell-towers-3474.jpg?w=970
...and you get a tree, and you get a tree, and you get a tree...
America's wackiest cell phone towers may be key to solve the 'ugly' 5G revolution (https://www.phonearena.com/news/Americas-wackiest-cell-phone-towers-may-be-key-to-solving-the-ugly-5G-revolution_id116459)
There are a couple of these in Black Forest.
There's a few just west of I-25 just south of the summit of Monument Hill. Not a bad solution.
I didn't realize the structures west of C-470 over toward Ken Caryl were cell towers until I found an article with a picture yesterday. I though they might have been for water wells or something.
Cellular Village - Littleton, CO
http://img.groundspeak.com/waymarking/large/5fd04c09-bd82-431c-a8c5-1aa5e61fc020.JPG
With an existing easement, and something that will take less than a day to install without impeding traffic/access? I doubt it.
Shes actually got a minor case due to the overhang of the sidewalk with a meter installed. Its against the rules to impede that.
Well now that we know this is for 5G I?m going to retract post #3.
Instead of accidentally running it over with my truck I would insist that they move it closer to my house. You know... for better reception.
Well now that we know this is for 5G I?m going to retract post #3.
Instead of accidentally running it over with my truck I would insist that they move it closer to my house. You know... for better reception.
May want to rethink that:
https://www.cnet.com/g00/news/5g-phones-and-your-health-what-you-need-to-know/?i10c.ua=1&i10c.encReferrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8%3 d&i10c.dv=19
https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/1053072081009/5G%20Radiation%20Dangers%20-%2011%20Reasons%20To%20Be%20Concerned%20_%20Electr icSense.pdf
Yeah, but think of all the money you'll save in light bulbs when everything/everybody glows in the dark.
Eh. Between all the stuff in the air already we?re pretty much all going to die from cancer anyways.
Eh. Between all the stuff in the air already we?re pretty much all going to die from cancer anyways.
Getting up in the morning causes cancer
Grant H.
11-07-2019, 17:00
Eh. Between all the stuff in the air already we?re pretty much all going to die from cancer anyways.
The big difference is that almost nothing currently uses the high frequency bands that 5G is going to use (20-60GHz). The limited amount that does is limited to extremely short, highly focused point to point links that people are generally never exposed to. Now, with 5G, it will be down close to people, in an unfocused omni-directional pattern.
5G is going to be a trainwreck.
Oh. Kind of like walking around inside a microwave once the network is up on a large scale?
Oh. Kind of like walking around inside a microwave once the network is up on a large scale?
I've got a HECS suit, all should be well. Eventually I will be able to live my dream of being the last man on earth.
This doesn't sound good from many aspects, the aspect I am currently thinking about is privacy.
At one transceiver every 500 feet, it almost sounds like everyone will be walking around in a mine field. Or sonar field, let's call it.
I'm sure that with triangulation, ping, etc., they can isolate down to the individual walking (with or without their cell phone) and now we have Government knowing, if not who, that someone is walking west on 120th avenue. I don't like it.
The other immediate concern I have is Robotics, which as I understand is a large part of why 5G is being adopted.
Robotics, the Internet of Things (IoT), Artificial Intelligence (AI) are all real things. They sound like science fiction, but they are here.
5G is here to help that technology take off. And in general, it's not good for you or I (although there will likely be a killer app, or two) it's valuable to the Government, Military and Industrial complex.
-John
I've got a HECS suit, all should be well. Eventually I will be able to live my dream of being the last man on earth.
https://compote.slate.com/images/fa6e8c45-24c8-44d2-9cf2-d7a0fd56f7b2.jpeg?width=780&height=520&rect=1560x1040&offset=0x0
You're a long ways from Tuscon.
[tinhat]..
Of course they will add cameras, microphones, etc. It's basically total coverage at a 500' resolution.
-John
Speakers/Sirens... can you imagine one of these going off next to you at the next Amber Alert?
-John
With towers 500 feet apart, between triangulation and Distance to Tower data, they'll be able to locate phones to within a couple of feet, all without having to get a warrant for GPS data...
Grant H.
11-07-2019, 21:18
Oh. Kind of like walking around inside a microwave once the network is up on a large scale?
Except at 10-20x the frequency and significantly higher power. All without the added benefit of the shielding that exists in your microwave oven.
Microwave ovens run at 2.4GHz, at relatively low power in a shielded box. This frequency is why 2Ghz wifi is/was affected negatively by running the microwave.
This stuff will be at 24GHz and up (potentially up to 60GHz by the spec - most planned usage stops at about 47Ghz).
The only saving grace is that the free space loss at these freq's is pretty high, hence why they are planning antennas every 500ish feet (part of the reason - the other thing driving tower spacing is bandwidth/user.) However, being within (worst case) 30' (assuming they can mount them that high on existing infrastructure light poles etc) means we are being exposed to high frequency radiation at levels that have never been experienced before (en mass).
Grant H.
11-07-2019, 21:30
This doesn't sound good from many aspects, the aspect I am currently thinking about is privacy.
At one transceiver every 500 feet, it almost sounds like everyone will be walking around in a mine field. Or sonar field, let's call it.
I'm sure that with triangulation, ping, etc., they can isolate down to the individual walking (with or without their cell phone) and now we have Government knowing, if not who, that someone is walking west on 120th avenue. I don't like it.
The other immediate concern I have is Robotics, which as I understand is a large part of why 5G is being adopted.
Robotics, the Internet of Things (IoT), Artificial Intelligence (AI) are all real things. They sound like science fiction, but they are here.
5G is here to help that technology take off. And in general, it's not good for you or I (although there will likely be a killer app, or two) it's valuable to the Government, Military and Industrial complex.
-John
They can already track that with 4G. It's not the resolution that they'll have with 5G in large metro areas, but your 4G phone is tracking (at minimum) 2 towers at any given time (more common is 3+ towers). This is of course unless there is only one available (unlikely anymore).
As Tfogger mentioned, they have distance to "Tower" data for every connected device, and they can get a pretty tight pinpoint with just 2 towers and your phone.
Robotics and IoT are going to be large consumers, and yes, that poses a lot of questions/concerns for those of us that like our 4th Amendment rights, but it's all being sold by private corporations as "better access for YOU, the consumer".
Despite all the promises, the thing that the providers are really selling is better access to the "product" that they sell... Information on us. Humanity is literally their product.
Despite what Snowden did being illegal, everyone should read and understand what he has shared. It's literally terrifying the level of detail and information that private corporations legally gather and then sell/give to their buddies or any 3-letter/.gov/NGA/etc about their primary product, the people that use their services.
With towers 500 feet apart, between triangulation and Distance to Tower data, they'll be able to locate phones to within a couple of feet, all without having to get a warrant for GPS data...
Yep. And they happily cooperate with LE/etc. No more warrants for location information.
Tied to the fact that Amazon, Google, FB, and all the others get permission to listen/watch via the devices we all run around with, and you have effectively signed away all expectation of privacy.
I wish I had one of those in my yard. I’d do some landscaping around it while secretly burying some conduit to my house. Just tap into it and run a circuit for a few appliances maybe the AC unit. That should reduce my monthly costs. I’m sure they would never realize they have one unit using four times the power of all the other units.
I've got a HECS suit, all should be well. Eventually I will be able to live my dream of being the last man on earth.
Mods need to change your tagline to "Tandy."
ROFL
BladesNBarrels
11-08-2019, 07:54
I was explaining this thread to some folks from Louisiana at dinner last night.
Their first question was why don't the providers just mount the antenna's (or is it antennae?) on the power poles.
Well, we just spent millions to put the power lines underground.
Now, we can plant a forest of poles for the antenna's.
Irony?
buffalobo
11-08-2019, 08:28
Mrs bo knock that shit down with brush hog or harrow.
If you're unarmed, you are a victim.
Aloha_Shooter
11-08-2019, 10:55
Except at 10-20x the frequency and significantly higher power. All without the added benefit of the shielding that exists in your microwave oven.
Microwave ovens run at 2.4GHz, at relatively low power in a shielded box. This frequency is why 2Ghz wifi is/was affected negatively by running the microwave.
People need to be clear when they talk about lower or higher power. The CNET article lost me when it said, "Bigger wavelengths with lower frequency are less powerful, while smaller wavelengths at higher frequencies are more powerful." WRONG. Frequency does not imply power. A LOT of the transmitters we use today are high frequency at lower power which is why they can ccommunicate a lot of data very fast but can't go very far without being lost in the RF noise unless you use a focused receiver and amplify the signal. In fact, Bluetooth works at 2.4 GHz but at 100 mW (0.1 W or about 1/12000 of the power of most microwave ovens).
Microwave ovens are anything BUT relatively low power unless you're comparing that microwave to a high power radar like we use for missile warning. Your 2.4 GHz wifi should NOT be affected by the microwave oven except in very close proximity due to the shielding. If it is, you have a problem with your microwave oven. The other thing that happens with microwave ovens is that the power is pulsed for greater effect whereas this RF energy is more continuous like sunshine.
I haven't looked up the specifications for 5G towers but the 500 ft specification leads me to believe they are very low power. At these low powers, the RF can't penetrate your skin and is lower in energy density than a sunny day (and maybe even an overcast day) in Colorado. At 60 GHz, the RF is reflected by water -- or anything with a significant amount of water in it. UV is ionizing radiation and you get more of it by mowing your lawn than you get from 4G and probably 5G continuous broadcast. Stand next to a cell tower -- do you even feel warm?
If you're worried about brain cancer, you can probably help yourself by wearing earbuds so your ear canal doesn't channel the energy (sort of like a feed horn in reverse). Of course if you use Bluetooth earbuds, you're actually putting a 2.4 GHz transmitter directly in your ear canal ...
People need to be clear when they talk about lower or higher power. The CNET article lost me when it said, "Bigger wavelengths with lower frequency are less powerful, while smaller wavelengths at higher frequencies are more powerful." WRONG. Frequency does not imply power. A LOT of the transmitters we use today are high frequency at lower power which is why they can ccommunicate a lot of data very fast but can't go very far without being lost in the RF noise unless you use a focused receiver and amplify the signal. In fact, Bluetooth works at 2.4 GHz but at 100 mW (0.1 W or about 1/12000 of the power of most microwave ovens).
Microwave ovens are anything BUT relatively low power unless you're comparing that microwave to a high power radar like we use for missile warning. Your 2.4 GHz wifi should NOT be affected by the microwave oven except in very close proximity due to the shielding. If it is, you have a problem with your microwave oven. The other thing that happens with microwave ovens is that the power is pulsed for greater effect whereas this RF energy is more continuous like sunshine.
I haven't looked up the specifications for 5G towers but the 500 ft specification leads me to believe they are very low power. At these low powers, the RF can't penetrate your skin and is lower in energy density than a sunny day (and maybe even an overcast day) in Colorado. At 60 GHz, the RF is reflected by water -- or anything with a significant amount of water in it. UV is ionizing radiation and you get more of it by mowing your lawn than you get from 4G and probably 5G continuous broadcast. Stand next to a cell tower -- do you even feel warm?
If you're worried about brain cancer, you can probably help yourself by wearing earbuds so your ear canal doesn't channel the energy (sort of like a feed horn in reverse). Of course if you use Bluetooth earbuds, you're actually putting a 2.4 GHz transmitter directly in your ear canal ...
"...less powerful" and "...more powerful" is misleading language. I believe the author was speaking in terms of "energy"
https://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/science/toolbox/emspectrum1.html
https://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/Images/science/EM_spectrum_compare_level1.jpg
The wavelengths of ultraviolet, X-ray, and gamma-ray regions of the EM spectrum are very small. Instead of using wavelengths, astronomers that study these portions of the EM spectrum usually refer to these photons by their energies, measured in electron volts (eV). Ultraviolet radiation falls in the range from a few electron volts to about 100 eV. X-ray photons have energies in the range 100 eV to 100,000 eV (or 100 keV). Gamma-rays then are all the photons with energies greater than 100 keV.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48616174
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/2682/production/_107885890_5ggraphic-nc.png
More unbiased info than even I care to read, this doesn't have an agenda:
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1503/1503.05944.pdf
The basic conclusion is the safety of 5ghz-100ghz + transmissions is better measured by temperature increases, not electron-volt or other somewhat arbitrary math. It's non ionizing so the risk is from heat, which may or may not cause oxidative stresses in cells.
But yeah, if you're not feeling warm, it's probably safe.
Side note: There's one location on the western slope that the tower density is so $#$%ing high and the output is so $#$%ing high that I've heard they only let technicians work for very limited windows - maybe as low as 10 minutes. I haven't confirmed, but there are occupational limits they have to follow so it makes sense.
That would be, for the record, because it would heat you up too much. Much like tweety bird flying right in front of a focused radar array.
As a side note, I see little value in MM-wave wireless. For those that aren't aware, you need VERY good LOS. And honestly, 90% of phone consumers aren't ever even using 4G bandwidth to its full potential - which doesn't require perfect LOS.
It's really, to me, a fancy new statistic that gets them to sell new cell phones and equipment and all the associated bullshit, without having any real societal benefit outside of rural areas that have no dedicated internet options besides satellite. And those are the last ones, if ever, that will get 5G deployments anyway.
That said, if a tellco wants to pay me for a 5G deployment, giggity giggity
(ETA: The LOS thing is the primary reason you need so many towers. It can't even go through a single layer of drywall all that well - if it is the 60GHz MM wave variant)
Grant H.
11-08-2019, 12:56
People need to be clear when they talk about lower or higher power. The CNET article lost me when it said, "Bigger wavelengths with lower frequency are less powerful, while smaller wavelengths at higher frequencies are more powerful." WRONG. Frequency does not imply power. A LOT of the transmitters we use today are high frequency at lower power which is why they can ccommunicate a lot of data very fast but can't go very far without being lost in the RF noise unless you use a focused receiver and amplify the signal. In fact, Bluetooth works at 2.4 GHz but at 100 mW (0.1 W or about 1/12000 of the power of most microwave ovens).
Microwave ovens are anything BUT relatively low power unless you're comparing that microwave to a high power radar like we use for missile warning. Your 2.4 GHz wifi should NOT be affected by the microwave oven except in very close proximity due to the shielding. If it is, you have a problem with your microwave oven. The other thing that happens with microwave ovens is that the power is pulsed for greater effect whereas this RF energy is more continuous like sunshine.
I haven't looked up the specifications for 5G towers but the 500 ft specification leads me to believe they are very low power. At these low powers, the RF can't penetrate your skin and is lower in energy density than a sunny day (and maybe even an overcast day) in Colorado. At 60 GHz, the RF is reflected by water -- or anything with a significant amount of water in it. UV is ionizing radiation and you get more of it by mowing your lawn than you get from 4G and probably 5G continuous broadcast. Stand next to a cell tower -- do you even feel warm?
If you're worried about brain cancer, you can probably help yourself by wearing earbuds so your ear canal doesn't channel the energy (sort of like a feed horn in reverse). Of course if you use Bluetooth earbuds, you're actually putting a 2.4 GHz transmitter directly in your ear canal ...
I'm well aware that power is different than frequency.
Your 1200w microwave does NOT radiate 1200w at 2.4GHZ... Even if they did, which they don't, outside the shielding, and outside of the focal point of microwave, the levels are exceptionally low. This shielding and directional transmission are both things that are specifically missing with 5G AP's on towers...
Yes, Bluetooth is 100mW which is why it cuts out at ~20' and really doesn't like obstructions...
58dBm EIRP is a hell of a lot more than 100mW... That's the power levels that have been used to achieve satisfactory results in 5G testing up to 200m in non-line of sight applications.
The major points for tower proximity are:
- Non-line of sight signal at high frequency to allow for fast data transfer. Once you add stuff in the way (buildings, trees, cars, people, etc) signal levels drop off pretty dramatically.
- Number of subscribers/tower in order to provide the speeds they are planning to offer. Each tower will only be able to provide Xgbps and that gets cut by the overhead required for the mesh network architecture, and then the remaining bandwidth gets divided by the number of users connected (with dynamic load balancing based on usage - ie dude looking at texts takes less bandwidth than the dude streaming netflix).
As for standing next to a cell tower??? LOL... I've climbed them. Repeatedly.
There is a reason that you have to turn the transmitters off before you can safely climb them. And now the 5G transmitters will be at ~30' instead of 50-100' (normally)...
For the discussion on LOS:
http://youtu.be/OidnBOcXvic
For the discussion on LOS:
http://youtu.be/OidnBOcXvic
This vid is good, but the next one that followed was even better.
This vid is good, but the next one that followed was even better.
Peppa Pig?
I shouldn't leave my Google account permanently logged in....
Grant H.
11-11-2019, 14:04
For the discussion on LOS:
http://youtu.be/OidnBOcXvic
That video gives a good high level explanation of beam forming.
It doesn't bother to delve into the significant signal loss that is incurred by bouncing the signals off of the buildings/obstructions. You can see real world examples of this driving west on 70. The "blank" billboards above Idaho Springs are just microwave reflectors. If you take some time and look at it though, the links are short (back to a peak on the far side of the canyon), because of the signal loss that happens when you bounce a wireless signal.
This is yet another reason that 5G will be much higher power than most people think.
kidicarus13
12-02-2019, 23:21
The box is now magically gone... https://denver.cbslocal.com/2019/12/02/mysterious-box-geneive-williams/
Great-Kazoo
12-03-2019, 00:48
The box is now magically gone... https://denver.cbslocal.com/2019/12/02/mysterious-box-geneive-williams/
Had a resident wanted to place something similar in their front yard. Planning & zoning would have nixed it the moment it came across their desk.
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