View Full Version : Here we go again: Active shooter in CA
https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/14/us/california-school-shooting/index.html
Los Angeles (CNN)At least five people have been injured in a shooting at a high school in the Southern California city of Santa Clarita, and authorities are looking for the shooter, officials said.The shooting happened Thursday morning at Saugus High School, some 30 miles northwest of Los Angeles, the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department said.
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(https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/santa-clarita-school-shooting/index.html)
School shooting reported in Santa Clarita (https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/santa-clarita-school-shooting/index.html)
Deputies are looking for a suspect described as an Asian male in black clothing, the department said on Twitter (https://twitter.com/LASDHQ/status/1195007524136611841).
The suspect is believed to be a student at the school, Los Angeles County Sheriff Alex Villanueva told CNN affiliate KABC (https://abc7.com/live-5-shot-at-saugus-high-school-in-santa-clarita/5696998/).
Five patients -- two in critical condition -- have been taken to Henry Mayo Hospital or are on their way, the hospital said on Twitter, with a hashtag referring to the school shooting.
"If you live in neighborhoods anywhere near Saugus High, PLEASE LOCK DOORS and stay inside," the sheriff's department said on Twitter. "If you see suspect, male dark clothing, in backyards, etc. CALL 911"
Nope. Can't happen in California. They have laws to prevent it.
Of course there is. The impeachment isn't going as planned
Heard there were 5 wounded, 3 critical. Perp was being treated at a hospital when they caught him. 1 fatality.
ETA: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/santa-clarita-shooting-at-least-5-injured-suspect-captured-officials-say/ar-BBWKXvN
One person was killed and at least four others were injured in a shooting at Saugus High School in Santa Clarita early Thursday, authorities said.
The shooting was reported at the campus at 21900 Centurion Way about 7:40 a.m., prompting a massive law enforcement response. Paramedics swarmed the campus, treating the treated the wounded while authorities combed through nearby neighborhoods searching for a 15-year-old boy suspected in the shooting. Agents with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and the sheriff’s department SWAT team also assisted with the search.
After a roughly an hour, authorities said that the suspect who is believed to be a student at the school had been apprehended. The teen, who was not immediately identified, is being treated at a hospital in unknown condition, said Los Angeles County Sheriff Alex Villanueva.
Four people from the school were transported to Henry Mayo Hospital for treatment. One patient, a female, died at the hospital. Two male patients are in critical condition and one male is in good condition, according to Patrick Moody, a spokesman for the hospital. Their specific injuries and ages was not immediately provided.
ETA: .45 caliber weapon. Shooter shot himself in the head but apparently isn't dead. Now 2 fatalities. Today was the shooter's 16th birthday and apparently threats were made online.
Rooskibar03
11-14-2019, 16:00
Of course there is. The impeachment isn't going as planned
Winner Winner Chicken Dinner
ETA: .45 caliber weapon. Shooter shot himself in the head but apparently isn't dead.
So much for that mythical ?stopping power? of the 45 I guess.
Also, AR-15s and AK-47s aren?t typically found in 45 caliber. How is that going to fit the agenda?
BushMasterBoy
11-14-2019, 17:33
It was his birthday.
https://heavy.com/news/2019/11/nathaniel-berhow/
So much for that mythical ?stopping power? of the 45 I guess.
Also, AR-15s and AK-47s aren?t typically found in 45 caliber. How is that going to fit the agenda?
They say his injuries are "grave". Moron could have blown the front of his face off.
Bill Clinton was already spouting off that his ban could have prevented this. I bet the firearm will ultimately not have been impacted by anything in the Clinton crime bill.
And why are they wasting resources to save the shooter?
And why are they wasting resources to save the shooter?
Do you watch Live PD or Live Rescue to see the shithole that California has become? Wasting resources is their specialty.
Rucker61
11-14-2019, 22:37
They say his injuries are "grave". Moron could have blown the front of his face off.
Bill Clinton was already spouting off that his ban could have prevented this. I bet the firearm will ultimately not have been impacted by anything in the Clinton crime bill.
California's current bans are already stronger than anything Bill had.
Great-Kazoo
11-15-2019, 01:22
And why are they wasting resources to save the shooter?
Because , CA. Years ago CA had the DOC. Dept or Corrections. They changed it to DOC&R Dept of Corrections & Rehabilitation.
What can you say about a state that (through well funded 3rd parties) denies or restricts people of opposing political parties to use their 1st amendment rights. BUT>.............................................Spent a million + dollars to build a Dialysis Facility for (ready for it) a death row prisoner who's kidneys were failing.
Yes a death row inmate, they decided to spend millions on to .keep alive.
Great-Kazoo
11-15-2019, 01:24
California's current bans are already stronger than anything Bill had.
And they'll use that under the guise of magazine bans to say.
Had the shooter had more than 7-8 rounds the death toll could have been more.
Thankfully he only had access to 10 rounds of less.
I don't want to live in a place where doctors don't have the sole purpose of keeping their patients alive.
asystejs
11-15-2019, 10:21
Because , CA. Years ago CA had the DOC. Dept or Corrections. They changed it to DOC&R Dept of Corrections & Rehabilitation.
What can you say about a state that (through well funded 3rd parties) denies or restricts people of opposing political parties to use their 1st amendment rights. BUT>.............................................Spent a million + dollars to build a Dialysis Facility for (ready for it) a death row prisoner who's kidneys were failing.
Yes a death row inmate, they decided to spend millions on to .keep alive.
A quick search found this document from California in 2006
https://sco.ca.gov/Files-AUD/specreport_prison_healthcare_rpt.pdf
Lots of money being spent
The costs are likely dramatically higher now
All states will have similar prison healthcare issues.
A few excerpts
At least two of the four prison acute-care hospitals are functioning at a fraction of their capacity,
resulting in increased costs of contracted services and the need for outside hospital services
--
For example, in a prior audit, the Bureau of State Audits (BSA) found that
CDCR was paying a hospital 4.16 times what Medicare would pay for the same inpatient care.
However, under the old contract, the department on average paid the hospital $2,789
per day. Under the new contract, the CDCR is paying an average of $3,994 per day, or 43.2% more
--
For example, the CDCR paid a hospital $12,379.50 (billed charges totaling $40,255 @ 30%)
for drugs provided to an inmate with cancer. The SCO’s analysis of the Medi-Cal Program
formulary files found that Medi-Cal would pay only $300 to $400 for the same drugs.
--
The CDCR currently has about 150 inmates who need dialysis treatment.
Most of these inmates are transported outside the institutions three times a week for dialysis treatment.
Each treatment costs, on average, more than $400 plus the costs for inmate transportation and
custody while outside of the prisons.
150 * 400 * 3 * 52 = ~$9M + other fuzzy costs
Good, it is dead
https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-school-shooting-suspect-dies-of-his-injuries-police-say
I don't want to live in a place where doctors don't have the sole purpose of keeping their patients alive.
I'm talking about denying life saving care to obvious criminals. Same for convicted criminals serving life, longer than reasonable lifespan or death row sentences. Dying from natural causes vs artificially keeping them alive past their natural life span is a huge waste of resources better spent elsewhere.
I'm talking about denying life saving care to obvious criminals. Same for convicted criminals serving life, longer than reasonable lifespan or death row sentences. Dying from natural causes vs artificially keeping them alive past their natural life span is a huge waste of resources better spent elsewhere.
If the doctors weren't there, then they wouldn't know. If the cops can just stop into a hospital and instruct doctors to let people for because they are "bad," then we have serious problems.
buffalobo
11-16-2019, 08:29
Oh darn, shooter died.
Oh darn, shooter died.
Oh darn.
He was such a "nice" looking kid. --Neighbors.
He never talked to me, but he "seemed" normal. -- Classmates
I'm talking about denying life saving care to obvious criminals.
And how do you define an obvious criminal?
I?m no legal expert but I thought everyone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
Great-Kazoo
11-16-2019, 09:28
A quick search found this document from California in 2006
https://sco.ca.gov/Files-AUD/specreport_prison_healthcare_rpt.pdf
Lots of money being spent
The costs are likely dramatically higher now
All states will have similar prison healthcare issues.
A few excerpts
At least two of the four prison acute-care hospitals are functioning at a fraction of their capacity,
resulting in increased costs of contracted services and the need for outside hospital services
--
For example, in a prior audit, the Bureau of State Audits (BSA) found that
CDCR was paying a hospital 4.16 times what Medicare would pay for the same inpatient care.
However, under the old contract, the department on average paid the hospital $2,789
per day. Under the new contract, the CDCR is paying an average of $3,994 per day, or 43.2% more
--
For example, the CDCR paid a hospital $12,379.50 (billed charges totaling $40,255 @ 30%)
for drugs provided to an inmate with cancer. The SCO’s analysis of the Medi-Cal Program
formulary files found that Medi-Cal would pay only $300 to $400 for the same drugs.
--
The CDCR currently has about 150 inmates who need dialysis treatment.
Most of these inmates are transported outside the institutions three times a week for dialysis treatment.
Each treatment costs, on average, more than $400 plus the costs for inmate transportation and
custody while outside of the prisons.
150 * 400 * 3 * 52 = ~$9M + other fuzzy costs
Appreciate you linking that.. There's 4 prisons in CA i know of where this (serious medical care) for those with death row, or life sentences take place.
You'd be surprised how much is spent keeping (Beyond reasonable doubt) violent felons alive. On top of the annual cost of incarceration. Not only in CA
And how do you define an obvious criminal?
I?m no legal expert but I thought everyone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
I think we all know what he means.
So much for that mythical ?stopping power? of the 45 I guess.
Perp is now dead. All that medical science had to offer still couldn't save him.
From what I read this morning, he came from a broken home and his father died in 2017 while the kid was trying to reconnect with his father. People break, since...as long as there have been people.
GilpinGuy
11-16-2019, 23:33
Perp is now dead. All that medical science had to offer still couldn't save him.
From what I read this morning, he came from a broken home and his father died in 2017 while the kid was trying to reconnect with his father. People break, since...as long as there have been people.
Wouldn't surprise me if we hear that he was bullied and on some meds as well.
BushMasterBoy
11-17-2019, 00:08
I wonder if he was infected with toxoplasma gondii. This is the protozoan that makes mice not afraid of cats. The press reported that his organs were being harvested.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxoplasmosis
Santa Clarita shooting: Weapon used in Saugus High attack a 'ghost gun,' sheriff says (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/santa-clarita-shooting-weapon-used-in-saugus-high-attack-a-ghost-gun-sheriff-says/ar-BBX7Jih)
The gun used in last week's shooting at Saugus High School was assembled from parts, a so-called ghost gun without a registration number, Los Angeles County Sheriff Alex Villanueva confirmed Thursday.
Sheriff's homicide detectives are trying to determine who built the .45-caliber handgun, a 1911-model pistol. The weapon included a partially built receiver, meaning it did not contain a serial number.
Police and witnesses say 16-year-old Nathan Berhow came to school the morning of Nov. 14, removed the handgun from his backpack and opened fire in the Santa Clarita high school quad. Five students were shot, two of whom later died, before Berhow turned the weapon on himself. He died from his injury a day later.
Investigators say it's unclear who assembled the kit gun, but they are examining Berhow's electronic communications in an effort to find answers, officials said. The teen's late father owned an arsenal of weapons, and when law enforcement searched the boy's home last week, a cache of guns — many of which were unregistered — was seized.
Last week, The Times and NBC reported the weapon could have been a ghost gun based on initial examination of the weapon. Sheriff's officials working with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives determined that was the case.
Authorities are seeing a proliferation of such untraceable weapons. LAPD officials say they have seen a growing number of the weapons in the last six years. In August, a semiautomatic rifle used in a gun battle between police and a convicted felon off the 215 Freeway killed California Highway Patrol Officer Andre Moye and wounded two of his colleagues. The weapons was a ghost gun that could not be traced by authorities, according to law enforcement sources.
In 2013, a gunman police identified as John Zawahri killed five people in the Santa Monica area using an AR-15-style rifle, which he built from a partially manufactured lower receiver that did not have a serial number and therefore did not have to be registered. Police said the parts needed to assemble a working rifle, including magazines of ammunition, were shipped to Zawahri from out of state.
"About a third of all firearms seized in Southern California now are unserialized, and that is expected to grow," Ginger Colbrun, a spokeswoman for the Los Angeles region's ATF office, told The Times in August.
Those with lengthy criminal histories usually buy their weapons on the black market, according to law enforcement officials. In one raid last year, authorities recovered 45 ghost guns following a six-month undercover operation in Hollywood. In that case, some of the weapons, which police said were made by a gang, were assault weapons.
Such weapons often come in kits and can be acquired at gun shows or by mail. As one expert described it, the guns are as easy to assemble as Ikea furniture. A pistol consists of a frame, which includes the trigger housing that may need some tabs shaved off and several holes drilled before it can accept the barrel and action and then fire. The frame is know as an 80% receiver because it comes mostly, but not completely, manufactured. It is a finished gun with no serial numbers and therefore avoids background checks and waiting periods.
https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2015-06/4/16/enhanced/webdr08/enhanced-17011-1433451243-1.jpg
JohnnyDrama
11-21-2019, 22:53
Narrative much?
Martinjmpr
11-22-2019, 12:10
Santa Clarita shooting: Weapon used in Saugus High attack a 'ghost gun,' sheriff says (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/santa-clarita-shooting-weapon-used-in-saugus-high-attack-a-ghost-gun-sheriff-says/ar-BBX7Jih)
Just like with the "Magazine repair kits" I have to ask: Is there anybody who DIDN'T see this coming? :rolleyes:
Zundfolge
11-22-2019, 18:02
Santa Clarita shooting: Weapon used in Saugus High attack a 'ghost gun,' sheriff says (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/santa-clarita-shooting-weapon-used-in-saugus-high-attack-a-ghost-gun-sheriff-says/ar-BBX7Jih)]
I flatly do not believe it and won't believe it unless they publish photos of the actual gun proving that it is indeed a "ghost gun". The entire thing is way too convenient to their narrative and since this shooting was in gun controlled California they have to spin it to their agenda even though it works against them.
I flatly do not believe it and won't believe it unless they publish photos of the actual gun proving that it is indeed a "ghost gun". The entire thing is way too convenient to their narrative and since this shooting was in gun controlled California they have to spin it to their agenda even though it works against them.
One ghost gun picture, coming right up!
*Clicks photoshop clone stamp tool* *removes engraving in 15 seconds*
One Obama birth certificate, coming right up!
*opens PDF into photoshop, gets a pasta of about 10 layers, copies and pastes, saves*
[technology makes it possible for anyone to believe anything and refute all possible evidence if they so choose] *
*not a comment on the possibility of such a thing being fake or not. More so, a sad state where potentially nothing is credible, from anybody, and we have to be cautious with what were innately inclined to agree with; Otherwise it makes everyone a zealot self-confirming their viewpoint no matter what they are presented with.
Word is that it was a 1911. If so, that kid didn't build it. He got it from deceased daddy.
Government has no right to know who made nor when a gun is made.
kidicarus13
11-22-2019, 23:13
Local ghost gun story...
https://kdvr.com/2019/11/22/denver-man-gets-maximum-sentence-for-dealing-untraceable-ghost-guns/
Great-Kazoo
11-22-2019, 23:47
Word is that it was a 1911. If so, that kid didn't build it. He got it from deceased daddy.
It was a 1911. If that kid actually mad a functioning 1911 out of an 80% kit. Fitted parts and all, i'm impressed at the education system in that town.
But i'd also have to believe, the Grinch actually stole Christmas.
It was a 1911. If that kid actually mad a functioning 1911 out of an 80% kit. Fitted parts and all, i'm impressed at the education system in that town.
But i'd also have to believe, the Grinch actually stole Christmas.
Whoa, whoa, whoa...
Are you suggesting that the Grinch didn't steal Christmas?
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