2020 hopes rise for gun control groups after Virginia elections

[eddiememphis]

Gardner mentioned.

From The Hill
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/471401-2020-hopes-rise-for-gun-control-groups-after-virginia-elections

"Everytown put $2.5 million into the Virginia election, outspending the National Rifle Association (NRA) 8 to 1, Watts said."

"Giffords Courage to Fight Gun Violence has launched two ads in Colorado targeting Gardner as part of the organization?s $750,000 campaign..."

"She said focus groups used to point to more generic issues as the cause of mass shootings, such as ?bad parenting.? That?s changed the last couple of years, she said, and now Americans are citing lax gun laws as a cause."

Might that be a result of the constant barrage in all forms of media that guns and therefore gun owners are bad?

[wctriumph]

When it comes to these commies and fascists, Joseph Goebbels must be, despite his torment in hell, laughing out loud at what it being accomplished by the enemies of freedom.

[iego]

Was channel surfing last night and happened on Nova on PBS, which was airing Frontline or some other supposed documentary. They started talking about how gun laws had lessened gun violence in xyz jurisdiction. They talked about how Australia's gun confiscation, had successfully reduced casualties from mass murders. I'm sure the whole show was about gun violence, but I quickly changed the channel so I didn't get the full name of the documentary, etc.

As you and I know, this is all selective targeting of statistics that favor an argument.

There's no documentary here, this is an attack on gun ownership.

-John

[hurley842002]

I'm not confident ANY state is safe, I'm just hoping I can fulfill my dream of purchasing a bunch of property in AZ (hopefully close to Great Kazoo), and say to hell with all.


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[Great-Kazoo]

I'm not confident ANY state is safe, I'm just hoping I can fulfill my dream of purchasing a bunch of property in AZ (hopefully close to Great Kazoo), and say to hell with all.


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Door's open, gun[s] loaded , extra ammo and mags as needed.


FWIW: when gun opponents cite Oz laws what they fail to tell anyone (Surprise) is. Aus does not have a Constitution, or a RTKBA.

So fuk them , strong letter to follow.

[hurley842002]

Door's open, gun[s] loaded , extra ammo and mags as needed.


FWIW: when gun opponents cite Oz laws what they fail to tell anyone (Surprise) is. Aus does not have a Constitution, or a RTKBA.

So fuk them , strong letter to follow.

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[Gman]

The leftists would love to get rid of the Constitution including the Bill of Rights.

[Great-Kazoo]

The leftists would love to get rid of the Constitution including the Bill of Rights.

They embrace that outdated piece of paper when they need to use it. Other than that to them it's disposable, like toilet paper. Only less revered than that 4 ply 200 sheet roll.

[Gman]

In Virginia, and elsewhere, gun supporters prepare to defy new laws (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/in-virginia-and-elsewhere-gun-supporters-prepare-to-defy-new-laws/ar-BBXdIYd)

AMELIA COURTHOUSE, Va. —Families, church groups, hunt clubs and neighbors began arriving two hours early, with hundreds spilling out of the little courthouse and down the hill to the street in the chilly night air.

a group of people sitting in front of a crowd: Sheriff Ricky L. Walker, left, attends a Board of Supervisors meeting Wednesday in support of a resolution to declare Amelia County a “Second Amendment sanctuary.”
? Gregory S. Schneider/The Washington Post Sheriff Ricky L. Walker, left, attends a Board of Supervisors meeting Wednesday in support of a resolution to declare Amelia County a “Second Amendment sanctuary.”


They were here to demand that the Board of Supervisors declare Amelia County a “Second Amendment sanctuary” where officials will refuse to enforce any new restrictions on gun ownership.

A resistance movement is boiling up in Virginia, where Democrats rode a platform on gun control to historic victories in state elections earlier this month. The uprising is fueled by a deep cultural gulf between rural red areas that had long wielded power in Virginia and the urban and suburban communities that now dominate. Guns are the focus. Behind that, there is a sense that a way of life is being cast aside.

In the past two weeks, county governments from the central Piedmont to the Appalachian Southwest — Charlotte, Campbell, Carroll, Appomattox, Patrick, Dinwiddie, Pittsylvania, Lee and Giles — have approved resolutions that defy Richmond to come take their guns.

It mirrors a trend that began last year in western parts of the United States, where some law enforcement officials vowed to go to jail rather than enforce firearm restrictions, and has spread eastward. In New Mexico, 25 of 33 counties declared themselves Second Amendment sanctuaries after the state expanded background checks. In Illinois, nearly two-thirds of its counties have done the same.

“My oath of office is to uphold the Constitution of the United States,” Amelia Sheriff Ricky L. Walker said Wednesday night as he waited for the supervisors to meet in this rural county west of Richmond.

If a judge ordered him to seize someone’s guns under a law he viewed as unconstitutional, Walker said, he wouldn’t do it. “That’s what I hang my hat on,” he said.

Some of the unrest is fanned by gun rights groups, such as the National Rifle Association and the Virginia Citizens Defense League, which have used social media and old-fashioned networking to offer boilerplate language for resolutions. But the movement is speaking to the anxieties of many who are unsettled by a state that has shifted from red to blue with shocking speed.

All of the top leaders in the new Democratic-controlled legislature hail from urban or suburban districts in Northern Virginia, Hampton Roads and Richmond. The liberal suburbs outside Washington have the largest delegation in the legislature. And the status of lawmakers from rural red parts of the state has never been lower.

a group of people standing next to a sign
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“We need to send a signal to Richmond about Northern Virginia. We don’t want their influence to affect us down here. We’re very different people,” said Clay Scott, a 25-year-old construction project manager whose family has lived in Amelia for generations.

Democrats won control in the elections on the strength of suburban districts where gun violence was a central issue, amplified by a May 31 mass shooting at a Virginia Beach municipal building that left 12 people dead.

When the General Assembly convenes in January, Gov. Ralph Northam (D) has promised to move quickly with Democratic leaders to pass measures such as universal background checks, limits on the types and numbers of firearms that can be purchased and a “red flag” law allowing authorities to seize weapons from someone deemed a threat.

The proposals “were essentially on the ballot in November,” said Brian Moran, Northam’s secretary of public safety. “And the people have spoken through their votes.”

'Gun owners are awake'
The resolutions rocketing around the Virginia countryside all have similar language. Philip Van Cleave of the Virginia Citizens Defense League said he drafted one for Amelia to consider, along with about 30 other counties — out of 95 total — also taking it up. The matter was added to the Amelia agenda too late for it to be advertised so, by law, the board cannot vote on it until next month. Yet, a crowd of 300 or more turned out after hearing about it through word of mouth.

“I’ve never seen anything like this,” Van Cleave said of the outpouring of interest. “Everything has exploded right now. Gun owners are awake.”

A similar resolution that passed Monday in Appomattox County pledged to oppose any efforts to “unconstitutionally restrict” the right to bear arms. It said the county would do this “through legal action, the power of the appropriation of public funds, and the right to petition for redress of grievances, and the direction to the law enforcement and judiciary of Appomattox County to not enforce any unconstitutional law.”

The concept is modeled after the “sanctuary city” stance that some localities have taken in response to federal immigration enforcement efforts. In those cases, local law enforcement officials decline to take voluntary steps to help the federal government detain or deport undocumented immigrants.

In theory, a Second Amendment sanctuary would be different. Refusing to carry out a judge’s order to seize weapons from someone would be breaking the law. That could mean jail time. Local agencies receive funding from the state, so even adopting the stance is provocative.

“The notion that law enforcement would not follow the law is appalling,” said Lori Haas, a longtime activist with the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence. “I suspect that many of these counties and their elected officials are posturing in front of certain voters.”

As the sanctuary movement has spread around the country, Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence found that it generally has not led to active resistance. “As a practical matter, these are largely symbolic,” said Adam Skaggs, chief counsel and policy director at Giffords. “We haven’t seen cases where there are folks that are outright defying the law.”

Skaggs said the trend means that authorities in such states as Washington, Oregon, Colorado and New Mexico might be neglecting to use legal tools that could help prevent gun violence and suicide. “While this is largely a political or symbolic gesture, I still think it’s quite troubling,” he said.

At Amelia on Wednesday night, Del. John J. McGuire III (R-Henrico) took the opportunity to show up and announce that he is seeking next year’s GOP nomination to challenge U.S. Rep. Abigail Spanberger (D-Va.).

“I don’t understand what part of ‘shall not infringe’ they don’t understand,” he proclaimed on the courthouse steps as a darkness settled on the throngs who couldn’t get in. “I’ll fight my ass off for you.”

McGuire just won a second term in the House of Delegates in a nearby rural district. But he’ll be in the minority now, with Democrats posting a 55-to-45 advantage in the House and a 21-to-19 edge in the Senate.

a group of people wearing military uniforms: Gun rights supporters hold weapons outside the Capitol office building at the State Capitol in Richmond, Va., Tuesday, July 9, 2019.
? Steve Helber/AP Gun rights supporters hold weapons outside the Capitol office building at the State Capitol in Richmond, Va., Tuesday, July 9, 2019.
Moran, the public safety secretary, didn’t attend the Amelia meeting but has been monitoring the phenomenon. He held town halls on gun control around the state over the summer, discussing solutions ahead of a special legislative session that Northam called in July to take up gun-control bills. Republicans adjourned that session after only 90 minutes, enraging Democrats and handing them a campaign issue in the fall.

“All of his proposals have been vetted in the courts,” Moran said. “The courts have determined that they do not violate the Second Amendment. We feel confident that law-abiding citizens should not be concerned that their rights will be violated.”

But to many residents in Amelia, any kind of gun restriction feels personal. They’ve heard that some proposals would prevent kids under 18 from owning guns and say people who would ban assault weapons don’t understand what they are.

Tony Easter, 60, said he learned about the proposed sanctuary resolution last week and spent four days driving to hunt clubs and friends’ houses around the county to drum up support. “My jaws are hurting from trying to explain this to people,” he said.

Easter grew up hunting in Amelia and has worked as a hunting and fishing guide. He’s active with the NRA and raised his daughters and son “in the woods,” he said.

“I live out here in the country; I’m a rural citizen,” Easter said. “We don’t agree with how Fairfax and Newport News and now even Chesterfield have dominated the state.”

He realizes, he said, that people in those places see guns differently — and that he doesn’t understand their circumstances any more than they understand his. But solving their problems shouldn’t mean changing his way of life, he said.

“What goes on in Fairfax can stay in Fairfax,” Easter said. “We just want to live our life the way we have been raised to live.”

Again and again at Wednesday night’s hearing, residents rose to speak about their first shotgun, about the hours spent stalking game with a father or grandfather.

Hannah Davis said she grew up hunting with her dad and eating what they killed. “The only reason I’m standing here today is because I was fed by wildlife,” she said.

Others said they feel safer in Amelia than in the city, specifically because so many people carry guns and know how to use them. And some warned of the need for protection in case of a government that goes too far.

“I am a proud descendant of a Revolutionary soldier that fought four and a half years to free our land,” said Troy Carter. “Our forefathers bled on this very ground in Virginia for this very reason. The Second Amendment is ours. Our forefathers fought for it. I’m sending this message to Ralph Northam because Virginia is here, and we are awake.”

Only one person out of the dozens who spoke expressed a different point of view. Allison Crews, 44, rose initially to thank residents for electing her to the Piedmont Soil & Water Conservation District, but then mentioned that she is a member of Moms Demand Action and believes in “sensible gun legislation.”

She drew light, polite applause. Afterward, Crews said she grew up in a family of hunters and thinks the urge to block all gun restrictions is misguided. “You can lead with fear or lead with love,” she said. “For me, love always wins.”

The main thing that impressed her about the public hearing, she said, was the number of people who showed up — far beyond anything she had seen in years of attending county meetings.

“I wish we’d see those crowds for things like water quality in the town, or the school system,” she said.

Amelia’s supervisors will vote on a resolution Dec. 18. The meeting has already been moved to the high school auditorium in anticipation of a big turnout.

[Great-Kazoo]

meanwhile in the rest of the state, this has started.

https://www.firearmsnews.com/editorial/tazewell-county-militia-response-virginia-gun-laws/370026?fbclid=IwAR1Ho2wr_0Ap4QKFbBD4ma91-PVHdLS6PA0oqo9bu6jil77Us4P4VZbIm5w#.Xer4ffq53Pw.fa cebook

[Gman]

Interesting.

[Great-Kazoo]

Interesting.

There's a county commissioners meeting this coming week down here. At that time "rumor has it" the people attending are pushing to have the cty declared a 2A sanctuary one.

[Great-Kazoo]

Interesting.

But wait mom,,there's more !


https://www.secondamendmentdaily.com/2019/12/virginia-sheriff-i-will-deputize-thousands-of-citizens-to-protect-their-gun-rights/?fbclid=IwAR0cSUTDaFkYAI__NtLOwSazuL6_Gn_ua_VjPzxR yNC7vBz-SdqNKKkVCWo

[hollohas]

Something like 76 out of 95 counties declared themselves 2A sanctuaries. Awesome! Militia being called up. Sheriff deputizing everyone. People are fighting back! Good for them.

Some county administrator down there said that if the state sends anyone to remove their sheriff who's refusing to enforce these illegal gun controls, those state officials will face the militia. Fantastic! Run those commies bastards out of town!

[Great-Kazoo]

Something like 76 out of 95 counties declared themselves 2A sanctuaries. Awesome! Militia being called up. Sheriff deputizing everyone. People are fighting back! Good for them.

Some county administrator down there said that if the state sends anyone to remove their sheriff who's refusing to enforce these illegal gun controls, those state officials will face the militia. Fantastic! Run those commies bastards out of town!

VA legislature is about to face unintended consequences of their out of state money.

Leftist are upset over alleged russian interference. YET have no issue with soros, bloomberg and steyer throwing their money around.

[Singlestack]

I see this developing and I ask myself how it will play out? Samuel Culper believes the clashes will be "local" and distributed, and may grow to be somewhat regional. But I think armed clashes will be inevitable at some point, with the statists grossly overreaching and provoking/requiring at least a defensive response. I'm amazed at how completely unhinged and enraged those on the far left are, and some really seem determined to have their fight. The 2A sanctuaries were a wonderful idea, though, and hopefully will give pause to the leftists to start anything.

[.455_Hunter]

I think Governor Blackface should personally lead the confiscation effort- he can be the first one though the door.

[hollohas]

The Virgina legislature is doubling down and more.

The new budget being proposed in HB30 specifically allocates money to correctional facilities with the stated purpose of "estimated net increase in the operating costs of adult correctional facilities" as a result of these new anti-gun laws. They are so convinced that people will be going to jail after being convicted under the new laws that they are actually budgeting for it.

And even more, HB67 was proposed the same week Gov Blackface said there will be consequences for municipalities not following the new laws. It takes an existing law that doesn't allow any public employees to go on strike and revised it to ONLY apply to public safety employees. In other words, it applies to the POLICE only now. It now says any public safety employee who "willfully refuses to preform the duties of his employment, WILL be terminated and ineligible for future law enforcement employment"

Any LEO's who refuse to do their "job" (read: enforce gun ban) will lose the LEO cert if this HB passes.

This shit is getting real out there in Virginia. I hope those good people out there fight this every way they can. Because if that legislature threatens to use the National Guard on citizens, passes budgets to put gun owners in jail, is creating laws that threaten the livelihood of every LEO in the state and is allowed to get away with it, that shit will spread real fast. They've got to shut that down.

We need to all stand up for Virginia. Those pro 2nd cities and counties need to know America supports them. They can't back down.

[Great-Kazoo]

https://www.captainsjournal.com/2019/11/27/virginia-senate-bill-no-64-declaring-tactical-training-illegal/

[Eric P]

https://www.captainsjournal.com/2019/11/27/virginia-senate-bill-no-64-declaring-tactical-training-illegal/

So being well regulated is now illegal?

Fvcking tools.

[Gman]

This is what tyrants do.

Keep your weapons at home: Virginia governor plans to ban guns from gun rights rally (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/keep-your-weapons-at-home-virginia-governor-plans-to-ban-guns-from-gun-rights-rally/ar-BBYYXwx)

McLEAN, Va. – No guns allowed at the gun rights rally.

That's the word from Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam, who announced Wednesday that he plans to declare an emergency and ban firearms around the state Capitol before a gun rights rally on Monday that could draw thousands of armed people and militias from Virginia and out of state.

Gun rights advocates organizing the event promised a "peaceful day to address our Legislature" in Richmond, but their efforts sparked a much larger, grassroots movement that has drawn interest from gun owners and militias around the country.

Northam said at a news conference that intelligence from law enforcement agencies indicates that out-of-state militias and hate groups fueled by misinformation and conspiracy theories have "malicious plans" for the rally.

"They're not coming to peacefully protest. They are coming to intimidate and cause harm," Northam said.

Northam said he was declaring a state of emergency in Richmond from Friday evening through Tuesday evening. Under the order, the city, state and capitol police will form a unified command, state employees are encouraged to stay home for the already planned Martin Luther King, Jr. holiday, and all weapons will be banned in the Capitol Square.

"It makes no sense to ban every other weapon but allow firearms," Northam said. After the emergency expires Tuesday, most firearms would be allowed on the grounds. Virginia is an open-carry state.

Northam said the decision was made based on real, identified threats. Some of them were made online in forums hosted by hate groups and white nationalists. The governor called on rally organizers to dissuade out-of-state groups from coming to the rally and encouraged a "peaceful day" for Virginians.

"Unfortunately, they have unleashed something much larger – something that they may not be able to control," he said.

"No one wants another incident like the one we saw at Charlottesville in 2017. We will not allow that mayhem and violence to happen here," Northam added, referencing the deadly white nationalist rally in that year.

Philip Van Cleave, who is organizing the Richmond rally as president of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, said the event is still on. He added that his group will weigh how to respond to Northam's ban, depending on the specifics.

"Hell no, he's not going to stop it with that little act," Van Cleave told USA TODAY, adding that his group could pursue legal action.

Driving the momentum is opposition to a host of gun control proposals from Northam and Democrats, who won full control of the state's government in November for the first time since 1993.

"The governor and leadership in the Democratic Party have declared war on law-abiding gun owners, and they're tired of it," Van Cleave said. "It's basically people saying we're fed up. We've had enough.

"The governor has touched the third rail. He has motivated people to drive across the state and from other states to come protect our rights."

Van Cleave promised upward of 100,000 armed gun owners in Richmond in hopes to dissuade enough Democrats to scrap or weaken the proposals.

Stickers and posters displayed in meetings around the state declared, "Guns save lives" and "We will not comply." Pro-gun websites and social media spread messages against government "tyrants" coming to take people's guns and urged their audiences to travel to Virginia to support the effort.

Van Cleave's group issued fiery warnings of what could happen to gun owners should the measures pass.

"All these bills are basically steps in the direction of disarming people," he said.

Northam has worked to dispel the idea that he intends to go "door-to-door" with authorities to take away people's guns.

"We have no intention of calling out the National Guard. We're not going to cut off people's electricity. We're not going to go door-to-door and confiscate individual's weapons," Northam said Jan. 7 alongside Democratic lawmakers. "We are going to pass common-sense legislation that will keep guns out of dangerous hands and keep Virginia safer. It is just that simple."

Among the proposals: Limiting handgun purchases to one per month, expanding background checks on gun sales, allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas and a "red flag" bill that would allow authorities to temporarily take guns away from anyone deemed dangerous to themselves or others.

Those measures were advanced by Democrats in the state Senate Judiciary Committee on Monday. Others include rules about reporting lost or stolen firearms and a ban on "assault firearms," though some moderate Democrats expressed concerns over that bill.

Virginia Democrats' proposals are no more extreme than many other states' gun control measures, said Ernest McGowen, a political science professor at the University of Richmond.

"When you really drill down into it, it's definitively a swing to the left but not one of those things where Northam is saying, 'Take away everyone's guns,' " he said.

Similar proposals have not been struck down as unconstitutional for violating the Second Amendment, but any legal battle that ensues could have ramifications for other states, McGowen said.

"Virginia is the canary in the coal mine," Van Cleave said. Out-of-state groups and militias may attend the Richmond event because "they're looking down the road. If Virginia gets hit with this stuff, they're going to be next," he said.

Though he said the Virginia Citizens Defense League has been in contact with police, militia groups from in and out of state "volunteered to provide security ... not to mention enough citizens armed with handguns to take over a modern mid-sized country," the group said in a publication.

Van Cleave said the event is different from others that have drawn out-of-state rallygoers, such as the Unite the Right white nationalist demonstration that turned violent. A neo-Nazi killed Heather Heyer and injured others when he rammed his car in a crowd.

"Charlottesville was a protest. We're lobbying," Van Cleave said.

Since the November election, more than 100 counties, cities and towns across the state have declared themselves "sanctuaries" for the Second Amendment, saying they will not enforce unconstitutional laws.

While the resolutions are largely symbolic in their effect, legal experts have said, many local sheriffs have come out in support of them. In some counties, thousands of people have swarmed boards of supervisors meetings in support of the measures.

Virginia Attorney General Mark Herring said last month, though, that the resolutions have "no legal force" as localities "cannot nullify state laws."

"They’re just part of an effort by the gun lobby to stoke fear," he said in a statement.

Groups supporting the measures backed by Democrats say the election in November shows that voters in the state approve of the proposals. Among both Democrats and Republicans, gun laws were the most important voting issues before the election, according to a Washington Post-George Mason poll.

"Virginians made their voices heard in November when they voted overwhelmingly for candidates who ran on promises to pass common-sense gun safety laws," said Michelle Sandler, a volunteer with Virginia Moms Demand Action. "The extremist armed militias heading to Richmond next Monday are not representative of the majority of Virginians."

While Virginia turned blue in the election, Democratic voters generally are not as far left as others in the party nationwide, University of Richmond's McGowen said. The challenge that Democratic lawmakers and Northam will face is striking a balance of gun control measures that their entire base supports, McGowen said.

"Just because they voted for Northam doesn't mean they are necessarily for every part of his agenda," McGowen said.

Still, if Democrats do push forward with the gun proposals as they currently stand, Van Cleave believes his group's supporters will be able to rally support to flip the state Legislature again in two years.

"Look, they've woken up a base that's been sleeping. ... Purple areas will turn bright red," he said. "They're going to pay for this at the polls."

[davsel]

How Scalia Botched Heller and Let the Left Undermine the 2nd Amendment (https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/01/how_scalia_botched_heller_and_let_the_left_undermi ne_the_2nd_amendment.html)

[Madeinhb]

I moved from CO to Virginia a year ago. I never thought I?d see things worse than what CO brought up. Boy was I wrong.


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[avandelay]

I moved from CO to Virginia a year ago. I never thought I?d see things worse than what CO brought up. Boy was I wrong.


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I'm the opposite. I moved from VA to CO right when the Heist was occurring and wondered then 'what have I done?'. Now I see gun friendly VA taking such a hard left turn and I shake my head. They seem to be going for the entire right restricting wish list and it will be a long, hard slog in the court system if they can't get this stuff thrown out.

[RblDiver]

VA Supreme Court upheld Governor Blackface's ability to restrict guns under the emergency declaration. Even aside from the obvious "Shall not be infringed" implications, they conveniently ignored that the legislature had only given him the power to restrict arms AT SHELTERS during a state of emergency.
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/organizers-appeal-gun-ban-at-virginia-rally-6-now-arrested/2201216/

[Gman]

Was proof of a threat ever in question, or does the Gov. just get to make the determination based on rumor or his feelings? Bring on marshall law in a never-ending state of "emergency". Problem solved on their end.

[TEAMRICO]

Monday’s outcome. Any predictions?

[CobaltSkink]

My prediction/fear: Reichstag or Twin Peaks

[TFOGGER]

This has all the makings of a disaster. All that's missing is a spark to ignite a powder keg...

[Madeinhb]

Things aren?t looking good.


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[Great-Kazoo]

Monday’s outcome. Any predictions?

https://www.westernjournal.com/va-state-senator-goes-public-72-hours-rally-set/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=PostTopSharingButtons&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons&fbclid=IwAR18g0gEIy7CPRT8_hNTfWfnj7Y0EKATU4Us1uT0g l5-RlUpyKDZHH9TxWM

[Madeinhb]

https://www.westernjournal.com/va-state-senator-goes-public-72-hours-rally-set/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=PostTopSharingButtons&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons&fbclid=IwAR18g0gEIy7CPRT8_hNTfWfnj7Y0EKATU4Us1uT0g l5-RlUpyKDZHH9TxWM

Politicians won?t care.


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[TRnCO]

so far it looks like quite a crowd has shown up. I hope they get a message through to their politicians to back off, but I'm not holding my breath. I've seen what happens when the Dems are in full control already here in Colo., and it's evident, they don't care what the opposition things.

[UrbanWolf]

All it accomplished is showing all other states how much they can take from gun owners. Expect much the same from Colorado this year.

[hollohas]

The rally is over and nothing happened. A peaceful assembly as advertised despite the thousands of armed scary guys Governor blackface baby killer was so worried about.

[hollohas]

All it accomplished is showing all other states how much they can take from gun owners. Expect much the same from Colorado this year.I disagree. Most of the anti gun bills being debated there have been significantly revised. Still not good by any means (they should all be thrown out), but the protests have had some positive affect.

[Sawin]

Firsthand account of the rally in Virginia. Great read:

https://www.ammunitiontogo.com/lodge/first-hand-account-of-the-virginia-second-amendment-rally/?utm_campaign=Ammo+Deals+and+First-Hand+Account+of+the+Virginia+2A+Rally&utm_content=ATG+Newsletter+1-23-19+Split+5&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Newsletter&utm_term=AmmoToGo.com

[Gman]

Virginia lawmakers reject assault weapon ban (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/virginia-lawmakers-reject-assault-weapon-ban/ar-BB105pv8)

RICHMOND, Va. (AP) — Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam's push to ban the sale of assault weapons has failed after members of his own party balked at the proposal.

Senators voted to shelve the bill for the year and ask the state crime commission to study the issue, an outcome that drew cheers from a committee room packed with gun advocates.

Four moderate Democrats joined Republicans in Monday's committee vote, rejecting legislation that would have prohibited the sale of certain semiautomatic firearms, including popular AR-15 style rifles, and banned the possession of magazines that hold more than 12 rounds.

The bill was a top priority for Northam, a Democrat who has campaigned heavily for a broad package of gun-control measures.

The legislation also engendered the biggest pushback from gun owners and gun-right advocates, who accused the governor and others of wanting to confiscate commonly owned guns and accessories from law-abiding gun owners. Northam has said repeatedly he does not want to confiscate guns, but argued that banning new sales of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines would help prevent mass murders.

Virginia is the current epicenter of the country's heated debate over gun control and mass shootings. Tens of thousands of gun-rights activists from across the country flooded the state Capitol and surrounding area in protest, some donning tactical gear and carrying military-style rifles.

Northam has been able to get much of his gun-control agenda passed this year, but struggled with the proposed assault weapon ban. Earlier proposals to ban possession of AR-15-style rifles or to require owners to register them with state police have been scrapped. The governor had hoped a watered-down would win over enough Democratic moderates for passage.

An estimated 8 million AR-style guns have been sold since they were introduced to the public in the 1960s. The weapons are known as easy to use, easy to clean and easy to modify with a variety of scopes, stocks and rails.

Lawmakers in both the House and Senate have already advanced several other gun-control measures and should finalize passage in the coming days. Those bills include limiting handgun purchases to once a month, universal background checks on gun purchases, allowing localities to ban guns in public buildings, parks and other areas, and a red flag bill that would allow authorities to temporarily take guns away from anyone deemed to be dangerous to themselves or others.

[TFOGGER]

Virginia lawmakers reject assault weapon ban (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/virginia-lawmakers-reject-assault-weapon-ban/ar-BB105pv8)

Yay?


So, they're only taking 2/3 of the pie instead of 3/4, and people are counting that as a compromise? This is how our rights erode...

[sellersm]

Who is John Galt? Or better yet: who is Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel?


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[Eric P]

If anything, it awoke the pro 2A crowd to turnout in the next elections to boot the gun grabbers.

[FoxtArt]

You guys are totally blowing this out of the water. It's not proposed gun bans, it's simple taxes. You only give your government 20% of your guns, and the government let's you have four times as many as they got! Jeesh, ungreatful subjects ya'll are.[Sarcasm2] Funds all sorts of programs for the needy, like "gunz 4 cas", the new and improved "fast n furious", Chicago population control, etc.

[Gman]

Virginia Democrats say they have reached a deal on 'red flag' gun law (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/virginia-democrats-say-they-have-reached-a-deal-on-red-flag-gun-law/ar-BB10fXu5)


Other bills that passed out of committee Friday include one that would expand background checks and one that would allow Virginians to voluntarily put themselves on a list that would prohibit them from purchasing firearms.
That list should be published for the criminals. By volunteering as the weakest of the herd, it may save the lives of others.

[Gman]

Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam signs series of gun control measures (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/virginia-ralph-northam-signs-gun-control-measures)

Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam signed a series of gun control bills into law on Friday, further entrenching the state as the epicenter of the nationwide gun debate.

Northam, a Democrat, signed five measures, which include expanding background checks to all firearm sales, reinstating the cap on handgun sales to one a month, and a "red flag" bill to allow authorities to temporarily take guns away from people deemed to be dangerous to themselves or others, The Roanoke Times reported.

Other measures increase penalties for allowing a firearm to get into the hands of a child younger than 14 and a requirement that gun owners report lost or stolen firearms to law enforcement within 48 hours after discovering they are missing.