View Full Version : Red Flag abuse in New York right now..
Mrgunsngear is asking for help to aid in this guy. He’s held up in his house and militia and others are surrounding the area.
Seems BIG OUT THERE.
https://youtu.be/MOMnioDknpQ
https://www.instagram.com/p/B5O3hZKJDBj/?igshid=wszkx9853psz
100s of milita headed to his address..
Sounds like the police are setting up roadblocks to try and keep support from reaching him.
There are zero reports of this in any news media other than gun related sites.. is this actually even happening or is it the War of the Worlds of 2019?
It's on Instagram. Can follow the guy.
GilpinGuy
11-24-2019, 01:40
Got an alert on the scanner for something in Putnam County, NY. Is this it? That's my home town and where my folks are still living.
The scanner has been basically useless.
GilpinGuy
11-24-2019, 02:01
Yeah, looks like it was. Lots of weird here.
Hard to tell what's going on. Sounds like some people showed up to nothing, and everyone thinks it's overblown bullshit. That's coming from some text message screen shots posted on this guy's account. I'm unsure what is going on.
Got an alert on the scanner for something in Putnam County, NY. Is this it? That's my home town and where my folks are still living.
The scanner has been basically useless.
Damn, hope its nobody we know.
Another link with information, unsure of veracity of any of it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/progun/comments/e0rel9/afghanistan_veteran_in_new_york_currently_has/
I followed this pretty closely last night.
The reddit link is pretty accurate however there was a huge hoopla over what info to trust.
Basically there were reports of social media accounts that were reporting on the happenings being hacked and taken over by LEO and used to spread disinformation to cease the rush of supporters. All those rumors were false however everyone loves a good conspiracy theory and it spread like wild fire
The statement released by the sheriff is saying that it was a domestic dispute that turned into a stand off and he was not arrested for any magazine laws or weapon charges and that none were even recovered
Alex the guy who was barricaded in his home said an army friend of his turned him in to LEO because of his 30 rounders...
To complicate the story the media reported that he was taken in to custody but no charges would follow however the sheriff listed about 4 charges that he’s facing( none of which are weapons related
It turned into a big cluster fuck for the supporters and the police and we really won’t know what happened for a while
New York man in military gear, 28, surrenders after 7-hour standoff with police
(https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/new-york-man-in-military-gear-28-surrenders-after-7-hour-standoff-with-police/ar-BBXfiyv?li=AA30Mu)Police: Putnam County standoff ends peacefully after 7-hour standoff (https://westchester.news12.com/story/41364321/police-putnam-county-standoff-ends-peacefully-after-7-hour-standoff)
(https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/new-york-man-in-military-gear-28-surrenders-after-7-hour-standoff-with-police/ar-BBXfiyv?li=AA30Mu)
JohnnyDrama
11-24-2019, 09:01
I followed this pretty closely last night.
The reddit link is pretty accurate however there was a huge hoopla over what info to trust.
Basically there were reports of social media accounts that were reporting on the happenings being hacked and taken over by LEO and used to spread disinformation to cease the rush of supporters. All those rumors were false however everyone loves a good conspiracy theory and it spread like wild fire
The statement released by the sheriff is saying that it was a domestic dispute that turned into a stand off and he was not arrested for any magazine laws or weapon charges and that none were even recovered
Alex the guy who was barricaded in his home said an army friend of his turned him in to LEO because of his 30 rounders...
To complicate the story the media reported that he was taken in to custody but no charges would follow however the sheriff listed about 4 charges that he?s facing( none of which are weapons related
It turned into a big cluster fuck for the supporters and the police and we really won?t know what happened for a while
Thanks for the summery bryjcom.
I had this on for a little bit last night while I battened down the hatches. Pretty crazy. I added the bold. That must of been where I tuned in. Too many people out there with not enough to do on a Saturday night.
Ugh. When a internet wanna-be star self-announces the circumstances such as these, I wish more of us were suspicious from the inset.
A good proportion are Rich Wyatt or related types; rarely do you have an upstanding respectful straight-up hard working person trying to become an Instagram gun celebrity.
You do have fame-seekers, narcissists, etc., of course they are highly likely to try to use their "influence" to get out of any situation they get into, just like a SoCal "influencer" like, ohmagawd, like, trying to get free shit or get out of something by threatening to "blast" the business/police/person online.
It's just too bad there's not a reliable network of "normal" people that can announce when they need legitimate help.
Ugh. When a internet wanna-be star self-announces the circumstances such as these, I wish more of us were suspicious from the inset.
A good proportion are Rich Wyatt or related types; rarely do you have an upstanding respectful straight-up hard working person trying to become an Instagram gun celebrity.
You do have fame-seekers, narcissists, etc., of course they are highly likely to try to use their "influence" to get out of any situation they get into, just like a SoCal "influencer" like, ohmagawd, like, trying to get free shit or get out of something by threatening to "blast" the business/police/person online.
It's just too bad there's not a reliable network of "normal" people that can announce when they need legitimate help.
Its possible that the police are trying to mislead and wait for this to blow over before they charge him with weapons violations.. After all, they arrested a guy in military gear and plate carrier but no weapons?
The news reports also said that he was in custody but not facing any charges and played it up as, " This is a mental health issue that turned into a misunderstanding and he needs help"
Then all of a sudden he's facing felony burglary, etc etc, etc charges?
I think there are take-aways from both sides.
-The 2A supporters realized that their entire communication line can be disrupted by someone posting "So and So has been hacked by LEOs, Its still going on". First it was over, then it wasn't, then it was, then everyone was hacked and compromised and trust nobody..
-The LEOs in these redflag states just realized that these red flag orders may turn into an absolute cluster.... for them. And, that people are willing to confront the LEOs over these unconstitutional orders and the "line in the sand" is starting to be more clear as time goes on.
This kind of situation quickly turns into a "battle of Los Angeles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Los_Angeles)" because of the level of paranoia a lot of people have, and the # of conspiracy-types that hop into situations such as these. While we don't know what happened, I think it's safe to say the story about "neighbor turning him in for 30 rounders" is probably bogus on his part, which doesn't help the credibility, on top of being an "instragram influencer" to begin with.
Related, but not exactly applicable here:
Something people do fail to realize is if anything even gets slightly-sorta-bad, it's not all that hard for the gov to suspend cell and internet access to *most* people and a lot of countries do it. (I suspect satellite providers wouldn't get the message most of the time). I don't think it happened in the above situation, it's just the Los-Angeles effect with conspiracy nuts. Still, I've briefly thought about an ubiquiti backed extended wi-fi network between trusted sources to overcome that situation before... e.g. an "wlan" on say a 10. class A, mostly just being long bridges to a select, trusted sources or two in each locale. Maintaining it would be a pain in the ass though, so I'm not raising my hand, lol.
(In plain english, it's a wireless network that uses point-to-point radios to span sections of many miles at a time. I'm bridging 6 miles at the moment, 20 miles in a span isn't all that uncommon, can be used to provide high-speed internet to areas otherwise out of range )
This kind of situation quickly turns into a "battle of Los Angeles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Los_Angeles)" because of the level of paranoia a lot of people have, and the # of conspiracy-types that hop into situations such as these. While we don't know what happened, I think it's safe to say the story about "neighbor turning him in for 30 rounders" is probably bogus on his part, which doesn't help the credibility, on top of being an "instragram influencer" to begin with.
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He actually said a guy he served in the military with turned him in to LEO.
At this point who knows...
Like I said above though.. LEO's are starting to notice that the "line in the sand" is a little deeper than before and the 2A patriots know their comms can be royally screwed with....
Zundfolge
11-24-2019, 11:05
This has been an unscheduled test of the National Boogaloo Alert System.
This was only a test.
Had this been a true Bugaloo emergency, you would have not received any instructions.
This concludes the National Boogaloo Alert System test
newracer
11-24-2019, 11:13
There is a huge thread about it on that other AR15 site, in general discussion.
Thanks for the updates. Couldn't unfollow on Instagram fast enough.
What a surprise, the guy was a scumbag, the police were there for nothing regarding red flagging or a 30 round magazine, and it turns out that popular social media personality MrGunsNGear will start calling for people to shoot cops based on unverified claims.
This is a time for introspection, where perhaps pro 2A folks are a little TOO excited for a reason to kick off an armed insurrection. You would think that years of the bullshit the media has fed us would teach people to be a little more wary of jumping off based on questionable claims, and maybe look for a second party to confirm a story before kicking off on a crusade that could end with themselves or others dying.
hurley842002
11-26-2019, 20:48
and it turns out that popular social media personality MrGunsNGear will start calling for people to shoot cops based on unverified claims.
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Did he actually say to shoot cops, or did he say for Pro2a folks to respond as a show of force, I'm against either one, but there is a big difference between the two. I watched his follow up video where he basically admitted he may have jumped the gun, but nowhere in that video did he say anything about shooting cops.
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Did he actually say to shoot cops, or did he say for Pro2a folks to respond as a show of force, I'm against either one, but there is a big difference between the two. I watched his follow up video where he basically admitted he may have jumped the gun, but nowhere in that video did he say anything about shooting cops.
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hurley842002
11-26-2019, 21:38
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Thanks for clarifying, that's too bad, I really enjoyed his YouTube channel, but can't support someone that promotes the shooting of cops, especially when it's based on an unverified, manufactured "tragedy".
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OneGuy67
11-27-2019, 12:11
MrGunsnGear...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbekg_kHpwg
I won't be watching any other videos of his. Especially since he identifies himself as an "influencer".
MrGunsnGear...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbekg_kHpwg
I won't be watching any other videos of his. Especially since he identifies himself as an "influencer".
This-guy sounds like a nutcase.
hurley842002
11-27-2019, 18:10
This-guy sounds like a nutcase.
Up until now he was a great YouTube personality, one of the better ones out there IMO, well thought out reviews, not nutty at all, until this incident....
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Zundfolge
11-27-2019, 18:24
Its ironic that a guy that goes by "Gun Drama Johnny" was actually the most level headed guy covering the whole thing.
MrGunsnGear...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbekg_kHpwg
I won't be watching any other videos of his. Especially since he identifies himself as an "influencer".
5:12 "I'm not saying I want people to be violent against cops, I like cops."
5:48 "If people show up and try to do these things, like the Brown Shirts.....then it's our right and our duty to oppose them."
What a fucking prick. And he cuts off the part of his own tweet where he personally calls for violence, and gives crocodile tears so that we'll feel sad for him.
Fuck him.
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